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2nd Feb '16 7:26:16 AM XadhoomXado
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Jasmine isn't a demon. She's one of the Powers That Be.
* A perfect example is Connor in ''Series/{{Angel}}'''s fourth season. The demon Jasmine has the power to enthrall anyone who sees her; only contact with her blood can break the spell, at which point the victim sees her true, horrific face. Fred is accidentally freed this way, and she manages to free the rest of the cast one by one. But when they try to cure Connor, he betrays them -- turns out that due to their blood relation, he's ''never'' been under Jasmine's spell. He's just so tired of fighting and being manipulated that he's willing to go along with her UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans thing.
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* A perfect example is Connor in ''Series/{{Angel}}'''s fourth season. The demon Jasmine has the power to enthrall anyone who sees her; only contact with her blood can break the spell, at which point the victim sees her true, horrific face. Fred is accidentally freed this way, and she manages to free the rest of the cast one by one. But when they try to cure Connor, he betrays them -- turns out that due to their blood relation, he's ''never'' been under Jasmine's spell. He's just so tired of fighting and being manipulated that he's willing to go along with her UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans thing.
17th Jan '16 8:09:25 AM elemt
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I think we can cut this down.
* In ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' #640, after [[spoiler: Vaarsuvius]] takes great pleasure in killing an opponent (and their entire extended family) it is revealed that the DealWithTheDevil they made had no effect on their alignment or actions-- essentially, the character merely revealed [[WhatYouAreInTheDark their true self.]] ** In fact, the character was told the spell ''could'' affect their alignment, with the implication that it was possible and up to them to resist any such effect. This example seems to overlap with MoreThanMindControl in that the character was told this in order to facilitate them giving in to their worst impulses (like arrogance, cruelty, and mass-murder). *** Actually, the ones who said that told their [[TheWatson Watson]] that they had been lying to manipulate Vaarsuvius. It really didn't have an effect on alignment. *** Though it may still be an example of more than mind control; [[spoiler: Vaarsuvius]] is under the impression that the soul splice will effect his alignment, and is smart enough to know he has no chance of resisting a spell cast by the dealers upon him if they did so. So a case of him being an UnwittingPawn more than anything, but it did still make him make a morally reprehensible choice (though at first it seemed all he'd done was wipe out 25% of a very powerful AlwaysChaoticEvil race, which if such a thing had been done by any means other than mass-murder-based necromancy it would probably have been hailed as a heroic deed...) **** Except we later find out that [[spoiler: all relatives of the monster means ''all'' relatives, including some who both aren't evil and are trying to guard a major SealedEvilInACan]], which becomes a major plot point following the event.
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* In ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' #640, after [[spoiler: Vaarsuvius]] takes great pleasure in killing an opponent (and their entire extended family) it is revealed that the DealWithTheDevil they made had no effect on their alignment or actions-- essentially, the character merely revealed [[WhatYouAreInTheDark their true self.]] ** In fact, the ]] The character was told the spell ''could'' affect their alignment, with the implication that it was possible and up to them to resist any such effect. This example seems to overlap with MoreThanMindControl in that the character was told this in order was done to facilitate them giving in to give an excuse for indulging their worst impulses (like arrogance, cruelty, and mass-murder). *** Actually, the ones who said that told their [[TheWatson Watson]] that they had been lying to manipulate Vaarsuvius. It really didn't have an effect on alignment. *** Though it may still be an example of more than mind control; [[spoiler: Vaarsuvius]] is under the impression that the soul splice will effect his alignment, and is smart enough to know he has no chance of resisting a spell cast by the dealers upon him if they did so. So a case of him being an UnwittingPawn more than anything, but it did still make him make a morally reprehensible choice (though at first it seemed all he'd done was wipe out 25% of a very powerful AlwaysChaoticEvil race, which if such a thing had been done by any means other than mass-murder-based necromancy it would probably have been hailed as a heroic deed...) **** Except we later find out that [[spoiler: all relatives of the monster means ''all'' relatives, including some who both aren't evil and are trying to guard a major SealedEvilInACan]], which becomes a major plot point following the event.own darkest impulses.
19th Dec '15 5:11:24 PM nombretomado
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* Multiple examples in LoisMcMasterBujold's ''TheSharingKnife'' series, due to Lakewalker magic having accidental [[{{Brainwashing}} beguilement]] as a common side effect.
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* Multiple examples in LoisMcMasterBujold's ''TheSharingKnife'' Creator/LoisMcMasterBujold's ''Literature/TheSharingKnife'' series, due to Lakewalker magic having accidental [[{{Brainwashing}} beguilement]] as a common side effect.
7th Dec '15 10:18:14 PM vifetoile
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The second bullet doesn't really contribute anything.
* Ruthlessly exploited in ''Literature/HarryPotter'' books: In the backstory, many of the BigBad's willing supporters escaped prosecution for their crimes by claiming to have been under a mind control spell. Later Harry cannot believe that Stan the bus driver is not under MindControl when attacking him. (Stan IS surprisingly blank-eyed, and it's not verified one way or the other.) ** Stan was previously a good-natured but pretty slow bus attendant who claimed he would be the next Minister of Magic when he was trying to chat up some Veelas. That said, he seemed ''very'' unlikely as Death Eater material, even if he did decide to join. On the other hand, Harry and his friends believed that Cornelius Fudge was under the Imperius Curse which was why he was stubbornly ignoring signs of Voldemort's return (Dumbledore doesn't think this is true though and Fudge later does accept what's going on, so yeah...) There's also debate as to whether or not [[spoiler:Umbridge was possessed by the horcrux locket when she wore it. While Harry figured that it would be impossible to tell since she was already so foul, [[WordOfGod Rowling]] stated that the locket saw her as a kindred spirit and aided her rather then hindered her.]]
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* Ruthlessly exploited in ''Literature/HarryPotter'' books: In the backstory, many of the BigBad's willing supporters escaped prosecution for their crimes by claiming to have been under a mind control spell. Later Harry cannot believe that Stan the bus driver is not under MindControl when attacking him. (Stan IS surprisingly blank-eyed, and it's not verified one way or the other.) ** Stan was previously a good-natured but pretty slow bus attendant who claimed he would be the next Minister of Magic when he was trying to chat up some Veelas. That said, he seemed ''very'' unlikely as Death Eater material, even if he did decide to join. On the other hand, Harry and his friends believed that Cornelius Fudge was under the Imperius Curse which was why he was stubbornly ignoring signs of Voldemort's return (Dumbledore doesn't think this is true though and Fudge later does accept what's going on, so yeah...) There's also debate as to whether or not [[spoiler:Umbridge was possessed by the horcrux locket when she wore it. While Harry figured that it would be impossible to tell since she was already so foul, [[WordOfGod Rowling]] stated that the locket saw her as a kindred spirit and aided her rather then hindered her.]]
28th Nov '15 4:21:14 PM nombretomado
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* Not quite brainwashing, but ComicBook/{{Quicksilver}} had underwent a FaceHeelTurn (to WellIntentionedExtremist) during- and served as the BigBad of-''ComicBook/HouseOfM'', and followed it up with a lot of, if not outright ''villainous'', morally questionable and inherently selfish actions, such as stealing and unleashing the [[ComicBook/TheInhumans Terrigen Mists]] on the Earth in an effort to restore the powers of de-powered mutants. After ''SecretInvasion'', when it emerged that several heroes and villains had been replaced by shape-shifting Skrulls, Quicksilver explained his previous actions by claiming that he has been replaced as well- cue a private moment with his Inhuman daughter, Luna, who points out that she is a LivingLieDetector and tells him she knows he is making it all up, and is guilty as sin.
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* Not quite brainwashing, but ComicBook/{{Quicksilver}} had underwent a FaceHeelTurn (to WellIntentionedExtremist) during- and served as the BigBad of-''ComicBook/HouseOfM'', and followed it up with a lot of, if not outright ''villainous'', morally questionable and inherently selfish actions, such as stealing and unleashing the [[ComicBook/TheInhumans Terrigen Mists]] on the Earth in an effort to restore the powers of de-powered mutants. After ''SecretInvasion'', ''ComicBook/SecretInvasion'', when it emerged that several heroes and villains had been replaced by shape-shifting Skrulls, Quicksilver explained his previous actions by claiming that he has been replaced as well- cue a private moment with his Inhuman daughter, Luna, who points out that she is a LivingLieDetector and tells him she knows he is making it all up, and is guilty as sin.
16th Nov '15 12:21:24 AM RisefromYourGrave
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Minor edits.
* In the ''WesternAnimation/LiloAndStitchTheSeries'' episode "[=HunkaHunka=]", Lilo's friend Keoni has a crush on Pleakly (in his horrible disguise as a human woman). Lilo, Stitch, and Jumba are quick to blame the MonsterOfTheWeek, but no, he ''actually does'' have a crush on Pleakly. (For context: Pleakley has green skin, one eye and three legs.)
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* In the ''WesternAnimation/LiloAndStitchTheSeries'' episode "[=HunkaHunka=]", Lilo's friend Keoni has a crush on Pleakly Pleakley (in his horrible disguise as a human woman). Lilo, Stitch, and Jumba are quick to blame the MonsterOfTheWeek, but no, he ''actually does'' have a crush on Pleakly.Pleakley. (For context: Pleakley has green skin, one eye and three legs.)
11th Nov '15 6:52:55 PM hexwing
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* Kaiser in ''Anime/YuGiOhGX''. He's a champion of a game notorious for causing [[SplitPersonality Split Personalities]] and [[SuperpoweredEvilSide Superpowered Evil Sides]] in players, and his FreakOut and EvilCostumeSwitch take place during the MoreThanMindControl arc, but in his case, he really just snapped after a humiliating loss. He tells his [[MentorArchetype mentor]], his best friend, and his brother that when they try to "cure" him by dueling him since DefeatMeansFriendship: "There's no darkness inside me. I am not captured by darkness. I just want to know what brings out the power to win!" Originally, he was still a cold, aloof loner, but at least he had a strong sense of respect for his opponent. [[spoiler: He gets better]]
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* Kaiser in ''Anime/YuGiOhGX''. He's a champion of a game notorious for causing [[SplitPersonality Split Personalities]] and [[SuperpoweredEvilSide Superpowered Evil Sides]] in players, and his FreakOut and EvilCostumeSwitch take place during the MoreThanMindControl arc, but in his case, he really just snapped after a humiliating loss. He tells his [[MentorArchetype mentor]], his best friend, and his brother that when they try to "cure" him by dueling him since DefeatMeansFriendship: "There's no darkness inside me. I am not captured by darkness. I just want to know what brings out the power to win!" Originally, he was still a cold, aloof loner, but at least he had a strong sense of respect for his opponent. [[spoiler: He eventually gets better]]better.]]
7th Nov '15 6:31:29 PM eowynjedi
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* At the end of chapter three in ''Webcomic/CucumberQuest'', the "Roselings"--little plant-minions whom the Guardener had been brainwashed from his own Guardlings--reveal that they served Rosemaster willingly, because she was much nicer than the Guardener was. (And also that he wasn't their master in the first place; he'd just shown up and started bossing them around.) [[spoiler:Cucumber gives them Rosemaster's Disaster stone, effectively her remains, so they can look after it.]]
1st Nov '15 11:18:21 AM nombretomado
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* Not quite brainwashing, but {{Quicksilver}} had underwent a FaceHeelTurn (to WellIntentionedExtremist) during- and served as the BigBad of-''ComicBook/HouseOfM'', and followed it up with a lot of, if not outright ''villainous'', morally questionable and inherently selfish actions, such as stealing and unleashing the [[ComicBook/TheInhumans Terrigen Mists]] on the Earth in an effort to restore the powers of de-powered mutants. After ''SecretInvasion'', when it emerged that several heroes and villains had been replaced by shape-shifting Skrulls, Quicksilver explained his previous actions by claiming that he has been replaced as well- cue a private moment with his Inhuman daughter, Luna, who points out that she is a LivingLieDetector and tells him she knows he is making it all up, and is guilty as sin.
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* Not quite brainwashing, but {{Quicksilver}} ComicBook/{{Quicksilver}} had underwent a FaceHeelTurn (to WellIntentionedExtremist) during- and served as the BigBad of-''ComicBook/HouseOfM'', and followed it up with a lot of, if not outright ''villainous'', morally questionable and inherently selfish actions, such as stealing and unleashing the [[ComicBook/TheInhumans Terrigen Mists]] on the Earth in an effort to restore the powers of de-powered mutants. After ''SecretInvasion'', when it emerged that several heroes and villains had been replaced by shape-shifting Skrulls, Quicksilver explained his previous actions by claiming that he has been replaced as well- cue a private moment with his Inhuman daughter, Luna, who points out that she is a LivingLieDetector and tells him she knows he is making it all up, and is guilty as sin.
10th Oct '15 4:40:01 PM nombretomado
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** From the same series: we are led to believe that the Green Goblin, [[spoiler:Harry Osborn]], did it because of an [[SuperpoweredEvilSide evil split personality]]. In the final episode, we not only learn that [[spoiler:NormanOsborn was really the Goblin the whole time]], but unlike in other versions he managed to control his dosage of PsychoSerum so that he [[SuperSerum got the powers]] without any mental side effects.
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** From the same series: we are led to believe that the Green Goblin, [[spoiler:Harry Osborn]], did it because of an [[SuperpoweredEvilSide evil split personality]]. In the final episode, we not only learn that [[spoiler:NormanOsborn [[spoiler:ComicBook/NormanOsborn was really the Goblin the whole time]], but unlike in other versions he managed to control his dosage of PsychoSerum so that he [[SuperSerum got the powers]] without any mental side effects.
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