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15th May '16 11:09:59 AM nombretomado
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* In the 90s, when Colossus abandoned the ComicBook/{{X-Men}} for {{Magneto}}'s Acolytes, his team-mates -- specifically {{Wolverine}}--wanted to believe that he was under mind-control; Colossus immediately denied it and for a while it was the official explanation that he was not being compelled. Eventually Professor X decided that Colossus had committed this FaceHeelTurn because of an undiagnosed brain injury (he had a huge dent in his head at the time and was trapped in his armored form. This led to an ''ComicBook/{{Excalibur}}'' issue where Xavier [[SuperDickery has Colossus's ex-girlfriend trick him into coming back to Earth so they can abduct him]], then treats the injury. It was specifically asked by one of the characters, "what do we do if he still wants to go back to the Acolytes after we heal him?" The answer turned out to be "we let him go back" and that's exactly what Colossus did. It was kind of refreshing. He remained an AntiVillain with the Acolytes for a few years, real-time, which only ended when the Acolytes' space station was destroyed and the survivors got scattered across the Earth, forcing the team's disbandment.

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* In the 90s, when Colossus abandoned the ComicBook/{{X-Men}} ComicBook/XMen for {{Magneto}}'s ComicBook/{{Magneto}}'s Acolytes, his team-mates -- specifically {{Wolverine}}--wanted ComicBook/{{Wolverine}}--wanted to believe that he was under mind-control; Colossus immediately denied it and for a while it was the official explanation that he was not being compelled. Eventually Professor X decided that Colossus had committed this FaceHeelTurn because of an undiagnosed brain injury (he had a huge dent in his head at the time and was trapped in his armored form. This led to an ''ComicBook/{{Excalibur}}'' issue where Xavier [[SuperDickery has Colossus's ex-girlfriend trick him into coming back to Earth so they can abduct him]], then treats the injury. It was specifically asked by one of the characters, "what do we do if he still wants to go back to the Acolytes after we heal him?" The answer turned out to be "we let him go back" and that's exactly what Colossus did. It was kind of refreshing. He remained an AntiVillain with the Acolytes for a few years, real-time, which only ended when the Acolytes' space station was destroyed and the survivors got scattered across the Earth, forcing the team's disbandment.
13th May '16 10:02:45 AM Manny20444
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** When Peter learns that the symbiote has bonded to Eddie Brock (who is like a brother to him in this continuity), he thinks that it's corrupting Eddie like it tried to do to him and begs him to fight its influence. Eddie responds by saying that he's not being controlled, he just shares the symbiote's desire to destroy Peter (the symbiote [[IfICantHaveYou wants to kill Peter because he rejected it]], and Eddie wants to kill him because Peter's actions indirectly screwed Eddie over). Eventually Eddie reveals that he's always resented Peter, because even though their parents died in the same accident, Peter was taken in by his aunt and uncle, and Eddie ended up all alone... until now.
** From the same series: we are led to believe that the Green Goblin, [[spoiler:Harry Osborn]], did it because of an [[SuperpoweredEvilSide evil split personality]]. In the final episode, we not only learn that [[spoiler:ComicBook/NormanOsborn was really the Goblin the whole time]], but unlike in other versions he managed to control his dosage of PsychoSerum so that he [[SuperSerum got the powers]] without any mental side effects.

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** When Peter learns that the symbiote has bonded to Eddie Brock (who is like a brother to him in this continuity), continuity just like in the Ultimate Spider-Man comics), he thinks that it's corrupting Eddie like it tried to do to him and begs him to fight its influence. Eddie responds by saying that he's not being controlled, he just shares the symbiote's desire to destroy Peter (the symbiote [[IfICantHaveYou wants to kill Peter because he rejected it]], and Eddie wants to kill him because Peter's actions indirectly screwed Eddie over). Eventually Eddie reveals that he's always resented Peter, because even though their parents died in the same accident, Peter was taken in by his aunt and uncle, and Eddie ended up all alone... until now.
** From the same series: we are led to believe that the Green Goblin, [[spoiler:Harry Osborn]], did it because of an [[SuperpoweredEvilSide evil split personality]]. In the final episode, we not only learn that [[spoiler:ComicBook/NormanOsborn was really the Goblin the whole time]], but unlike in other versions he managed to control his dosage of PsychoSerum so that he [[SuperSerum got the powers]] without any mental side effects.
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8th May '16 9:26:45 AM ReaderAt2046
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** And in ''Crisis On Two Equestrias'', when Trixie accidentally teleports herself to the Celestiaverse, she quite naturally assumes that the differences between the two universes are the result of Corona MindRaping her friends. While her memory transfer spell is able to "restore" their Lunaverse memories, the Celestiaverse Elements of Harmony are not fooled.
19th Apr '16 9:29:07 AM JoeMerl
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* In ''{{Film/Dragonheart}},'' this is the main conflict--Bowen hates dragons because he's convinced that King Einon, whom he mentored as a child, only turned evil when he bound his heart with a dragon's to save his life. The viewer, however, can see that Einon was [[EnfantTerrible pretty messed up]] even before his injury; it just takes Bowen most of the movie to accept it.
8th Apr '16 6:57:02 PM jormis29
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* In ''Literature/TheDresdenFiles'', the Knights of the Blackened Denarius are a group of FallenAngels that inhabit [[SealedEvilInACan thirty pieces of silver]]. If a human picks up one of the coins, they expose themselves to the Fallen's influence. Most of these people are MindRaped into submission, but a fair few of the coin holders are working with the Fallen on their own free choice, for various reasons.

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* In ''Literature/TheDresdenFiles'', the Knights of the Blackened Denarius are a group of FallenAngels that inhabit [[SealedEvilInACan thirty pieces of silver]].inhabit]] the ThirtyPiecesOfSilver. If a human picks up one of the coins, they expose themselves to the Fallen's influence. Most of these people are MindRaped into submission, but a fair few of the coin holders are working with the Fallen on their own free choice, for various reasons.
6th Apr '16 7:00:38 PM ReaderAt2046
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* Implied in FanFic/RainbowDoubleDashsLunaverse. In the Celestiaverse, it's stated that Luna's transformation into Nightmare Moon was partially due to the influence of an alien presence (the Nightmare), and that the reason Luna could pull such a quick HeelFaceTurn was that the Elements purged the Nightmare from Luna. But given the fact that Corona rejected Luna's offer of redemption, this implies that Celestia was not effected by any external force, and became the Tyrant Sun entirely on her own.
20th Mar '16 10:42:06 AM nombretomado
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* ''TheAngryBeavers'' "Zooing Time": The supposedly brainwashed Norbert is genuinely disappointed at being rescued from a zoo, because he actually likes it, but Daggett thinks that he's saying that because he was brainwashed. (And he's taking responsibility for getting Norb sent to the zoo to begin with.)

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* ''TheAngryBeavers'' ''WesternAnimation/TheAngryBeavers'' "Zooing Time": The supposedly brainwashed Norbert is genuinely disappointed at being rescued from a zoo, because he actually likes it, but Daggett thinks that he's saying that because he was brainwashed. (And he's taking responsibility for getting Norb sent to the zoo to begin with.)
9th Mar '16 9:46:51 AM Hossmeister
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* In ''AmericanDragonJakeLong'', Spud makes a deal with an evil Gorgon who claims that she will make his [[AllGuysWantCheerleaders cheerleader]] crush Stacy [[LovePotion fall in love]] with him. And when Stacy does decide she likes Spud, he thinks that it's because of this supposed "love spell," even though she continues to act far more fickle than you'd think someone truly under a love spell would act. In the end, like any other DealWithTheDevil, Spud has to break off his alliance with the Gorgon, and prepares himself for Stacy to break up with him now that she's not enchanted anymore. But Spud is relieved to find that there was never a love spell, and Stacy was NotBrainwashed.

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* In ''AmericanDragonJakeLong'', ''WesternAnimation/AmericanDragonJakeLong'', Spud makes a deal with an evil Gorgon who claims that she will make his [[AllGuysWantCheerleaders cheerleader]] crush Stacy [[LovePotion fall in love]] with him. And when Stacy does decide she likes Spud, he thinks that it's because of this supposed "love spell," even though she continues to act far more fickle than you'd think someone truly under a love spell would act. In the end, like any other DealWithTheDevil, Spud has to break off his alliance with the Gorgon, and prepares himself for Stacy to break up with him now that she's not enchanted anymore. But Spud is relieved to find that there was never a love spell, and Stacy was NotBrainwashed.
2nd Feb '16 7:26:16 AM XadhoomXado
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* A perfect example is Connor in ''Series/{{Angel}}'''s fourth season. The demon Jasmine has the power to enthrall anyone who sees her; only contact with her blood can break the spell, at which point the victim sees her true, horrific face. Fred is accidentally freed this way, and she manages to free the rest of the cast one by one. But when they try to cure Connor, he betrays them -- turns out that due to their blood relation, he's ''never'' been under Jasmine's spell. He's just so tired of fighting and being manipulated that he's willing to go along with her UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans thing.

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* A perfect example is Connor in ''Series/{{Angel}}'''s fourth season. The demon Jasmine has the power to enthrall anyone who sees her; only contact with her blood can break the spell, at which point the victim sees her true, horrific face. Fred is accidentally freed this way, and she manages to free the rest of the cast one by one. But when they try to cure Connor, he betrays them -- turns out that due to their blood relation, he's ''never'' been under Jasmine's spell. He's just so tired of fighting and being manipulated that he's willing to go along with her UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans thing.
17th Jan '16 8:09:25 AM elemt
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* In ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' #640, after [[spoiler: Vaarsuvius]] takes great pleasure in killing an opponent (and their entire extended family) it is revealed that the DealWithTheDevil they made had no effect on their alignment or actions-- essentially, the character merely revealed [[WhatYouAreInTheDark their true self.]]
** In fact, the character was told the spell ''could'' affect their alignment, with the implication that it was possible and up to them to resist any such effect. This example seems to overlap with MoreThanMindControl in that the character was told this in order to facilitate them giving in to their worst impulses (like arrogance, cruelty, and mass-murder).
*** Actually, the ones who said that told their [[TheWatson Watson]] that they had been lying to manipulate Vaarsuvius. It really didn't have an effect on alignment.
*** Though it may still be an example of more than mind control; [[spoiler: Vaarsuvius]] is under the impression that the soul splice will effect his alignment, and is smart enough to know he has no chance of resisting a spell cast by the dealers upon him if they did so. So a case of him being an UnwittingPawn more than anything, but it did still make him make a morally reprehensible choice (though at first it seemed all he'd done was wipe out 25% of a very powerful AlwaysChaoticEvil race, which if such a thing had been done by any means other than mass-murder-based necromancy it would probably have been hailed as a heroic deed...)
**** Except we later find out that [[spoiler: all relatives of the monster means ''all'' relatives, including some who both aren't evil and are trying to guard a major SealedEvilInACan]], which becomes a major plot point following the event.

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* In ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' #640, after [[spoiler: Vaarsuvius]] takes great pleasure in killing an opponent (and their entire extended family) it is revealed that the DealWithTheDevil they made had no effect on their alignment or actions-- essentially, the character merely revealed [[WhatYouAreInTheDark their true self.]]
** In fact, the
]] The character was told the spell ''could'' affect their alignment, with the implication that it was possible and up to them to resist any such effect. This example seems to overlap with MoreThanMindControl in that the character was told this in order was done to facilitate them giving in to give an excuse for indulging their worst impulses (like arrogance, cruelty, and mass-murder).
*** Actually, the ones who said that told their [[TheWatson Watson]] that they had been lying to manipulate Vaarsuvius. It really didn't have an effect on alignment.
*** Though it may still be an example of more than mind control; [[spoiler: Vaarsuvius]] is under the impression that the soul splice will effect his alignment, and is smart enough to know he has no chance of resisting a spell cast by the dealers upon him if they did so. So a case of him being an UnwittingPawn more than anything, but it did still make him make a morally reprehensible choice (though at first it seemed all he'd done was wipe out 25% of a very powerful AlwaysChaoticEvil race, which if such a thing had been done by any means other than mass-murder-based necromancy it would probably have been hailed as a heroic deed...)
**** Except we later find out that [[spoiler: all relatives of the monster means ''all'' relatives, including some who both aren't evil and are trying to guard a major SealedEvilInACan]], which becomes a major plot point following the event.
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