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14th Mar '18 4:47:59 PM rixion
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* In the ''VideoGame/{{SaGa}}'' series, you can generally spark learning new skills (randomly, of course) by spamming abilities lower on the skill tree.

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* In the ''VideoGame/{{SaGa}}'' ''[[Franchise/SaGaRPG SaGa]]'' series, you can generally spark learning new skills (randomly, of course) by spamming abilities lower on the skill tree.
21st Dec '17 7:11:01 AM WillyFourEyes
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** Also LimitBreak. Each character usually have their own methods of obtaining their ultimate attacks.

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** Also LimitBreak. {{Limit Break}}s. Each character usually have has their own methods of obtaining their ultimate attacks.



*** Because of a trauma, [[ChildMage Rydia]] cannot use the spell Fire, until [[WhiteMagicianGirl Rosa]] convinces her later in a storyline event. Hilariously enough, she can still learn Firaga given you do enough LevelGrinding.

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*** Because Due to a traumatic event at the start of a trauma, the game, [[ChildMage Rydia]] cannot use the spell Fire, until [[WhiteMagicianGirl Rosa]] convinces her later in a storyline event. Hilariously enough, she can still learn Firaga given you do enough LevelGrinding.



*** Some of the character-specific abilities also had special conditions, including the resident Blue Magic user.
** ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'' averts this at the start, granting characters new Limit Breaks through repeated combat, but to teach a given character their level 4 Limit Break, you'll need a special item. There's also the Enemy Skill materia; see Blue Mages.
** The Limit Breaks in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVIII'' are like this. Squall's Limit Breaks are learned by upgrading his weapon, with the final upgrade teaching him all 4 finishers. Zell reads magazines to learn some of the stronger attacks and finishing moves. Quistis uses certain items to learn skills. Rinoa takes her dog for a walk, and learns a new skill during the plot. Irvine can use different bullets based on what's in inventory. Selphie (technically) has all of her best Limit Break Magic available from the word go, but once you use the special ones once they show up more frequently in future.
*** Technically speaking, you can also use all of Zell's moves right from the start, but you not only need to know the exact input to use them, but also what preceding moves you need to use for some of the finishers to be available, some of which also having the exact same requirements. In other words, unless you memorize a single specific path of moves to each finisher, you're better off just finding and reading the magazines for convenience's sake.
** The Overdrives in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX'' have this feel, due to the [[CastOfSnowflakes diverse nature of the party]]. Tidus and Lulu gain new Overdrives by using previous ones repeatedly and levelling up, respectively. Yuna only has one skill that she starts with, but gets new Aeons to summon with it during the plot. Rikku's overdrives are based on the party's inventory. Auron levels up by collecting movie spheres, Kimahri learns Overdrives from enemies, and Wakka gets additional Reels as prizes from winning Blitzball tournaments. One of the most {{Egregious}} example of GuideDangIt would be Valefor's Energy Ray attack. How do you obtain it? ''By talking to a friggin' dog in the very first village''.

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*** Some of the character-specific abilities also had special conditions, including the resident Blue Magic user.
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** ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'' averts this at the start, granting characters new Limit Breaks through repeated combat, but to teach a given character their level 4 Limit Break, you'll need a special item. There's also the Enemy Skill materia; see materia, which operates similarly to Blue Mages.Magic.
** The Limit Breaks in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVIII'' are like this. Squall's Limit Breaks are learned by upgrading his weapon, with the final upgrade teaching him all 4 four finishers. Zell reads magazines to learn some of the stronger attacks and finishing moves. Quistis uses certain items to learn skills. Rinoa takes her dog for a walk, and learns a new skill during the plot. Irvine can use different bullets based on what's in the party's inventory. Selphie (technically) has all of her best Limit Break Magic available from the word go, but once you use the special ones once they show up more frequently in future.
*** Technically speaking, you can also use all of Zell's moves right from the start, but you not only need to know the exact input to use them, but also what preceding moves you need to use for some of the finishers to be available, some of which also having have the exact same requirements. In other words, unless you memorize a single specific path of moves to each finisher, you're better off just finding and reading the magazines for convenience's sake.
** The Overdrives in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX'' have this feel, due to the [[CastOfSnowflakes diverse nature of the party]]. Tidus and Lulu gain new Overdrives by using previous ones repeatedly and levelling up, respectively. Yuna only has one skill that she starts with, but gets new Aeons to summon with it during the plot. Rikku's overdrives are based on the party's inventory. Auron levels up by collecting movie spheres, Kimahri learns Overdrives from enemies, and Wakka gets additional Reels as prizes from winning Blitzball tournaments. One of the most {{Egregious}} example ridiculous examples of GuideDangIt would be Valefor's Energy Ray attack. How do you obtain it? ''By talking to a friggin' dog in the very first village''.



** Ramza's skillset gets larger over the course of ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTactics''. There's also the Ultima spell (learnable only by Ramza and Alma, and only during two storyline fights) and the Zodiac summon (learnable only by summoners, during one optional fight), which are taught by being hit with (and surviving) the skill in combat, as opposed to most skill which are purchased with JP.
*** Most other high-end spells that you can normally learn by spending JP can also be learned the same way, but due to the difficulty in actually finding enemies able to cast them and the need to use the same class that naturally learns the said spell, few people find about it on their own. That, plus since the chance to learn the spell this way is the same as getting it from the crystal the enemy might turn into after dying and doing it that way doesn't require you to be the same class as the enemy, it's much more convenient to just kill them and attempt to get the skill from their crystal: the only real advantage of learning the spell by getting hit by it is the ability to possibly teach it to multiple characters, but chances are you won't have multiple mages of the right class available when you manage to find an enemy that can cast a spell that none of them have learned yet.

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** Ramza's skillset gets larger over the course of ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTactics''. There's also the Ultima spell (learnable only by Ramza and Alma, and only during two storyline fights) and the Zodiac summon (learnable only by summoners, during one optional fight), which are taught by being hit with (and surviving) the skill in combat, as opposed to most skill skills which are purchased with JP.
*** Most other high-end spells that you can normally learn by spending JP can also be learned the same way, but due to the difficulty in actually finding enemies able to cast them and the need to use the same class that naturally learns the said spell, few people find about it on their own. That, plus since the chance to learn the spell this way is the same as getting it from the crystal the enemy might turn into after dying and doing it that way doesn't require you to be the same class as the enemy, it's much more convenient to just kill them and attempt to get the skill from their crystal: crystal; the only real advantage of learning the spell by getting hit by it is the ability to possibly teach it to multiple characters, but chances are you won't have multiple mages of the right class available when you manage to find an enemy that can cast a spell that none of them have learned yet.



* ''VideoGame/{{Atelier}}'' series.
** Several examples in ''VideoGame/AtelierIrisEternalMana''.

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* This occasionally shows up in the ''VideoGame/{{Atelier}}'' series.
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** Several There are several examples in ''VideoGame/AtelierIrisEternalMana''. ''VideoGame/AtelierIrisEternalMana'':



** In ''VideoGame/AtelierIris2'', Gray and Fee learn Dragon Slayer and Ein Zecksclaw respectively during the main story.

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** In ''VideoGame/AtelierIris2'', ''VideoGame/AtelierIris2TheAzothOfDestiny'', Gray and Fee learn Dragon Slayer and Ein Zecksclaw respectively during the main story.



** All of Gino's skills in ''VideoGame/AtelierTotori'' are obtained through [[LevelUpAtIntimacy5 doing his character events]].

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** All of Gino's skills in ''VideoGame/AtelierTotori'' ''VideoGame/AtelierTotoriTheAdventurerOfArland'' are obtained through [[LevelUpAtIntimacy5 doing his character events]].



* In ''VideoGame/DigitalDevilSaga'', if you answer certain dialogue choices throughout [[OneGameForThePriceOfTwo the two games]], [[TheChick Argilla]] and [[EleventhHourRanger Seraph]] will automatically obtain the skills Seraph Lore and Reincarnate respectively when you reach the final dungeon. Notably, you have to import a Digital Devil Saga 1 save into Digital Devil Saga 2 for those skills to be actually learned by those two, and should you merely import a Digital Devil Saga 1 save into Digital Devil Saga 2, then [[TheSmartGuy Gale]] will always learn Pyriphlegethon, regardless of dialogue choices.

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* In ''VideoGame/DigitalDevilSaga'', if you answer certain dialogue choices throughout [[OneGameForThePriceOfTwo the two games]], [[TheChick Argilla]] and [[EleventhHourRanger Seraph]] will automatically obtain the skills Seraph Lore and Reincarnate respectively Reincarnate, respectively, when you reach the final dungeon. Notably, you have to [[OldSaveBonus import a a]] ''[[OldSaveBonus Digital Devil Saga 1 save 1]]'' [[OldSaveBonus save]] into Digital ''Digital Devil Saga 2 2'' for those skills to be actually learned by those two, and should you merely import a Digital ''Digital Devil Saga 1 1'' save into Digital ''Digital Devil Saga 2, 2'', then [[TheSmartGuy Gale]] will always learn Pyriphlegethon, regardless of dialogue choices.



* In ''VideoGame/ChronoCross'' very many of the ultimate or signature attacks are only obtained through doing a sidequest, some of which can be impossible to get [[GuideDangIt if you don't make the right decisions]] during gameplay. In fact, getting the special ability for one character, Razzly the fairy, requires that you choose the ''worst'' option out of a quest in the previous disc and results in many innocent deaths (it's the tragedy that ends up empowering her).

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* In ''VideoGame/ChronoCross'' very ''VideoGame/ChronoCross'', many of the ultimate or signature attacks are only obtained through doing a sidequest, some of which can be impossible to get [[GuideDangIt if you don't make the right decisions]] during gameplay. In fact, getting the special ability for one character, Razzly the fairy, requires that you choose the ''worst'' option out of a quest in the previous disc and results in many innocent deaths (it's ([[TraumaticSuperpowerAwakening it's the tragedy that ends up empowering her).her]]).



* Smeargle, from ''Videogame/{{Pokemon}}'', who is the only Pokemon who can permanently learn attacks via Sketch. Everyone else has to level up to learn new moves, use a TM, HM or move tutor, or even be bred from two compatible mons with the moves you want.

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* Smeargle, from ''Videogame/{{Pokemon}}'', who is the only Pokemon who can permanently learn attacks via Sketch. Everyone else has to level up to learn new moves, use a TM, HM or move tutor, or even be bred from two compatible mons Pokémon with the moves you want.



* ''VideoGame/TwilightPrincess'': As with most Zelda games, Link needs to clear out dungeons so he can use items that will let him progress further in the environment. New sword skills to deal with unusual enemies, however, are learned by howling along with the wind at certain stones, finding a golden wolf on the overworld, and learning the technique [[spoiler:fromOoT's Link, now a gold-armored ghost]].

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* ''VideoGame/TwilightPrincess'': ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTwilightPrincess'': As with most Zelda ''Zelda'' games, Link needs to clear out dungeons so he can use items that will let him progress further in the environment. New sword skills to deal with unusual enemies, however, are learned by howling along with the wind at certain stones, finding a golden wolf on the overworld, and learning the technique [[spoiler:fromOoT's Link, now a gold-armored ghost]].



** In the previous game, SummonMagic was readily available and grew with the amount of Djinn used, doing large amounts of damage in return for lowering characters' stats. In TLA, new multielemental summons can be found in GuideDangIt-worthy locations.

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** In the previous game, SummonMagic was readily available and grew with the amount of Djinn used, doing large amounts of damage in return for lowering characters' stats. In TLA, ''TLA'', new multielemental summons can be found in GuideDangIt-worthy locations.



** A variation. Most characters promote to their PrestigeClass by using a Master Seal (or class-appropriate promotion item) at Level 10 or above. Most of the main characters, however, have their promotion tied to a story event and cannot do so beforehand. Examples involve Ike being made a noble in ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemTellius Path of Radiance]]'' (because having a commoner lead the country's main army would cause a political scandal) and, most infamously, Roy aquiring the Binding Blade in [[VideoGame/FireEmblemElibe the game of the same name.]] (Infamous because it occurs a mere 3 chapters before the end of the game, making the protagonist very under-powered for most of it)
** Even then, one particular promotion method stands out: in ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemJugdral Thracia 776]]'' Linoan can only promote by visiting the church in Chapter 21. And if anyone else visits it before she does, the chance to promote her is [[PermanentlyMissableContent lost for the rest of the game]].

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** A variation. Most characters promote to their PrestigeClass by using a Master Seal (or class-appropriate promotion item) at Level 10 or above. Most of the main characters, however, have their promotion tied to a story event and cannot do so beforehand. Examples involve Ike being made a noble in ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemTellius ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemPathOfRadiance Path of Radiance]]'' (because having a commoner lead the country's main army would cause a political scandal) and, most infamously, Roy aquiring the Binding Blade in [[VideoGame/FireEmblemElibe [[VideoGame/FireEmblemTheBindingBlade the game of the same name.]] (Infamous name]] (infamous because it occurs a mere 3 ''three'' chapters before the end of the game, making the protagonist very under-powered for most of it)
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** Even then, one particular promotion method stands out: in ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemJugdral ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemThracia776 Thracia 776]]'' Linoan can only promote by visiting the church in Chapter 21. And if anyone else visits it before she does, the chance to promote her is [[PermanentlyMissableContent lost for the rest of the game]].



** Another skill example in ''Radiant Dawn''. Normally characters learn their [[LimitBreak ultimate skill]] on promoting to their 3rd-tier class. Ike, however, learns Nihil in addition to [[SignatureMove Aether]] when promoting to Vanguard. This is probably a case of AntiFrustrationFeatures, as Nihil negates enemy skills and the Black Knight's Eclipse skill is so powerful no-one in the game can survive it. Given that Ike has a forced DuelBoss against the BlackKnight later, giving him Nihil avoid the fight being a complete LuckBasedMission.

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** Another skill example in ''Radiant Dawn''.''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemRadiantDawn Radiant Dawn]]''. Normally characters learn their [[LimitBreak ultimate skill]] on promoting to their 3rd-tier class. Ike, however, learns Nihil in addition to [[SignatureMove Aether]] when promoting to Vanguard. This is probably a case of AntiFrustrationFeatures, as Nihil negates enemy skills and the Black Knight's Eclipse skill is so powerful no-one in the game can survive it. Given that Ike has a forced DuelBoss against the BlackKnight later, giving him Nihil avoid the fight being a complete LuckBasedMission.
27th Aug '17 1:17:30 PM nombretomado
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* ''Franchise/{{Atelier}}'' series.
** Several examples in the first ''VideoGame/AtelierIris'' game.

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* ''Franchise/{{Atelier}}'' ''VideoGame/{{Atelier}}'' series.
** Several examples in the first ''VideoGame/AtelierIris'' game.''VideoGame/AtelierIrisEternalMana''.
30th Jun '17 12:34:20 PM thatother1dude
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*** Mostly downplayed in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTacticsAdvance'' and ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTacticsA2'', which require you to equip an item that teaches a skill before you're able to learn it by good ol' LevelGrinding. Played straight by the Thief class skill [[ImpossibleThief Steal: Ability]] in ''Advance'', which allows you to [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin steal the knowledge of how to use a skill directly from an enemy's brain]][[note]]Steal: Ability can only steal skills that the thief would be capable of learning from equipment (based on their species, not on their current class; a hume can steal an Illusionist ability, for example, even if they're currently a soldier), and can't steal Reaction or Support abilities.[[/note]]. ''Advance'' [[BreadEggsBreadedEggs thieves can also steal equipment that teaches new skills from enemies, for you to equip and grind]]. Thieves were {{nerf}}ed in ''A2'', losing the ability to steal abilities and equipment. Blue Mages also show up in ''Advance'' and ''A2'', and learn skills [[PowerCopying the usual way]]; [[GuideDangIt some enemies are only in certain missions, though]], and missing them there means that [[PermanentlyMissableContent you won't be able to get their teachable skills until another run]]. [[LethalJokeCharacter Morphers]] can also use monster souls to transform into monsters, gaining the monster's stats and abilities; to do so, a Hunter has to capture at least one monster of the species to get a soul for the Morpher to equip; the aforementioned GuideDangIt monsters are morphable, too, so you need to capture them as well as let the BM be hit by them.

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*** Mostly downplayed in Downplayed by ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTacticsAdvance'' and ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTacticsA2'', which require you to equip an item where the main method of learning skills is by earning Ability Points while equipped with a weapon that teaches allows its temporary use, a skill before you're able to learn it by good ol' LevelGrinding.mix of traditional and non-standard. Played straight by the Thief class skill [[ImpossibleThief Steal: Ability]] in ''Advance'', which allows you to [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin steal the knowledge of how to use a skill directly from an enemy's brain]][[note]]Steal: Ability can only steal skills that the thief would be capable of learning from equipment (based on their species, not on their current class; a hume can steal an Illusionist ability, for example, even if they're currently a soldier), and can't steal Reaction or Support abilities.[[/note]]. ''Advance'' [[BreadEggsBreadedEggs thieves can also steal equipment that teaches new skills from enemies, for you to equip and grind]]. Thieves were {{nerf}}ed in ''A2'', losing the ability to steal abilities and equipment. Blue Mages also show up in ''Advance'' and ''A2'', and learn skills [[PowerCopying the usual way]]; [[GuideDangIt some enemies are only in certain missions, though]], and missing them there means that [[PermanentlyMissableContent you won't be able to get their teachable skills until another run]]. [[LethalJokeCharacter Morphers]] can also use monster souls to transform into monsters, gaining the monster's stats and abilities; to do so, a Hunter has to capture at least one monster of the species to get a soul for the Morpher to equip; the aforementioned GuideDangIt monsters are morphable, too, so you need to capture them as well as let the BM be hit by them.
30th Jun '17 12:07:16 PM thatother1dude
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* While most skill scores in ''VideoGame/{{Wasteland 2}}'' can be learned by anyone from the start, two are conspicuously grey out: the South-Western Folklore and the Combat Shooting. The former is a ''Website/{{Kickstarter}}'' backer-exlusive reward, unlocked by giving a secret password to a specific character, while the latter can only be learned from a unique hidden book.

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* While most skill scores in ''VideoGame/{{Wasteland 2}}'' can be learned by anyone from the start, two are conspicuously grey out: the South-Western Folklore and the Combat Shooting. The former is a ''Website/{{Kickstarter}}'' backer-exlusive reward, unlocked by giving a secret password to a specific character, while the latter is a PurposelyOverpowered ability that can only be learned from a unique hidden book.
23rd Feb '17 11:39:02 AM DSRClone
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** Finally [[TokenHuman Fuuka's]] [[HumongousMecha Prinny Kaiser XX]] in ''VideoGame/Disgaea4APromiseUnforgotten''.

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** Finally [[TokenHuman Fuuka's]] [[HumongousMecha Prinny Kaiser XX]] in ''VideoGame/Disgaea4APromiseUnforgotten''.''VideoGame/Disgaea4APromiseUnforgotten''.
*** ''VideoGame/Disgaea5AllianceofVengeance'' pulls a two-fer on this trope. Aside from Killia learning Avidya Holy Water and Macrocosm in this manner, there's also each of the story characters' [[LimitBreak Overload Skills]], which coincide with some CharacterDevelopment.
28th Jan '17 9:25:43 AM Gosicrystal
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*** Mostly downplayed in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTacticsAdvance'' and ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTacticsA2'', which require you to equip an item that teaches a skill before you're able to learn it by good ol' LevelGrinding. Played straight by the Thief class skill [[ImpossibleThief Steal: Ability]] in ''Advance'', which allows you to [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin steal the knowledge of how to use a skill directly from an enemy's brain]][[note]]Steal: Ability can only steal skills that the thief would be capable of learning from equipment (based on their species, not on their current class; a hume can steal an Illusionist ability, for example, even if they're currently a soldier), and can't steal Reaction or Support abilities.[[/note]]. ''Advance'' [[BreadEggsBreadedEggs thieves can also steal equipment that teaches new skills from enemies, for you to equip and grind]]. Thieves were {{nerf}}ed in ''A2'', losing the ability to steal abilities and equipment. Blue Mages also show up in ''Advance'' and ''A2'', and learn skills [[PowerCopying the usual way]]; [[GuideDangIt some enemies are only in certain missions, though]], and missing them there will leave their teachable skills LostForever. [[LethalJokeCharacter Morphers]] can also use monster souls to transform into monsters, gaining the monster's stats and abilities; to do so, a Hunter has to capture at least one monster of the species to get a soul for the Morpher to equip; the aforementioned GuideDangIt monsters are morphable, too, so you need to capture them as well as let the BM be hit by them.

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*** Mostly downplayed in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTacticsAdvance'' and ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTacticsA2'', which require you to equip an item that teaches a skill before you're able to learn it by good ol' LevelGrinding. Played straight by the Thief class skill [[ImpossibleThief Steal: Ability]] in ''Advance'', which allows you to [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin steal the knowledge of how to use a skill directly from an enemy's brain]][[note]]Steal: Ability can only steal skills that the thief would be capable of learning from equipment (based on their species, not on their current class; a hume can steal an Illusionist ability, for example, even if they're currently a soldier), and can't steal Reaction or Support abilities.[[/note]]. ''Advance'' [[BreadEggsBreadedEggs thieves can also steal equipment that teaches new skills from enemies, for you to equip and grind]]. Thieves were {{nerf}}ed in ''A2'', losing the ability to steal abilities and equipment. Blue Mages also show up in ''Advance'' and ''A2'', and learn skills [[PowerCopying the usual way]]; [[GuideDangIt some enemies are only in certain missions, though]], and missing them there will leave means that [[PermanentlyMissableContent you won't be able to get their teachable skills LostForever.until another run]]. [[LethalJokeCharacter Morphers]] can also use monster souls to transform into monsters, gaining the monster's stats and abilities; to do so, a Hunter has to capture at least one monster of the species to get a soul for the Morpher to equip; the aforementioned GuideDangIt monsters are morphable, too, so you need to capture them as well as let the BM be hit by them.



** Even then, one particular promotion method stands out: in ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemJugdral Thracia 776]]'' Linoan can only promote by visiting the church in Chapter 21. And if anyone else visits it before she does, the chance to promote her is LostForever.

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** Even then, one particular promotion method stands out: in ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemJugdral Thracia 776]]'' Linoan can only promote by visiting the church in Chapter 21. And if anyone else visits it before she does, the chance to promote her is LostForever.[[PermanentlyMissableContent lost for the rest of the game]].
10th Jul '16 8:52:38 PM BigKlingy
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* ''Franchise/FireEmblem'' series:
** A variation. Most characters promote to their PrestigeClass by using a Master Seal (or class-appropriate promotion item) at Level 10 or above. Most of the main characters, however, have their promotion tied to a story event and cannot do so beforehand. Examples involve Ike being made a noble in ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemTellius Path of Radiance]]'' (because having a commoner lead the country's main army would cause a political scandal) and, most infamously, Roy aquiring the Binding Blade in [[VideoGame/FireEmblemElibe the game of the same name.]] (Infamous because it occurs a mere 3 chapters before the end of the game, making the protagonist very under-powered for most of it)
** Even then, one particular promotion method stands out: in ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemJugdral Thracia 776]]'' Linoan can only promote by visiting the church in Chapter 21. And if anyone else visits it before she does, the chance to promote her is LostForever.
** ''Thracia 776'' also has a case of this trope with actual skills. Mareeta can learn [[SpamAttack Astra]] by talking to Shanam, the body-double of Prince Shanan of Isaac [[JokeCharacter who's nowhere near as badass as the real thing.]] Hilariously, Shanam has no idea how to teach sword techniques, so just makes up some random crap and hopes she won't notice. This somehow manages to teach her the technique anyway, implying either AchievementInIgnorance or ItWasWithYouAllAlong.
** Another skill example in ''Radiant Dawn''. Normally characters learn their [[LimitBreak ultimate skill]] on promoting to their 3rd-tier class. Ike, however, learns Nihil in addition to [[SignatureMove Aether]] when promoting to Vanguard. This is probably a case of AntiFrustrationFeatures, as Nihil negates enemy skills and the Black Knight's Eclipse skill is so powerful no-one in the game can survive it. Given that Ike has a forced DuelBoss against the BlackKnight later, giving him Nihil avoid the fight being a complete LuckBasedMission.
8th Jul '16 11:18:29 AM Chabal2
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*** Tidus can learn a special blitzball skill (his father's signature move) by kicking blitzballs at hallucinations of his dad mocking and belittling him.



* Smeargle, from ''Videogame/{{Pokemon}}'', who is the only Pokemon who can permanently learn attacks via Sketch. Everyone else has to level up to learn new moves or use a TM, HM or move tutor.

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* Smeargle, from ''Videogame/{{Pokemon}}'', who is the only Pokemon who can permanently learn attacks via Sketch. Everyone else has to level up to learn new moves or moves, use a TM, HM or move tutor. tutor, or even be bred from two compatible mons with the moves you want.


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* ''VideoGame/TwilightPrincess'': As with most Zelda games, Link needs to clear out dungeons so he can use items that will let him progress further in the environment. New sword skills to deal with unusual enemies, however, are learned by howling along with the wind at certain stones, finding a golden wolf on the overworld, and learning the technique [[spoiler:fromOoT's Link, now a gold-armored ghost]].
* ''VideoGame/GoldenSunTheLostAge'':
** Where battle Psynergy is learned by leveling up and utility Psynergy is found by equipping items, the game now features each of your party members gaining an exclusive skill by completing the elemental dungeons: Sheba learns to see invisible objects, Piers learns to evaporate large amounts of water, Felix learns to turn himself into sand to exploit SandIsWater, and Jenna learns to amplify preexisting flames. The previous game had only one example, Ivan learning Reveal from Hama just before the dungeon that required it.
** In the previous game, SummonMagic was readily available and grew with the amount of Djinn used, doing large amounts of damage in return for lowering characters' stats. In TLA, new multielemental summons can be found in GuideDangIt-worthy locations.
** Classes change every time a Djinni changes owner, modifying stats and spells, but for the item-based classes it only changes the rank.
** Most Djinn are found in towns and dungeons, but some join the party with other characters (this is more prevalent in ''Videogame/GoldenSunDarkDawn'').
* ''VideoGame/DragonQuestIX'': In order to access the advanced classes and obtain the best skills, the class/weapon trainers give you increasingly complicated ([[LuckBasedMission and luck-based]]) quests that involve killing a number of enemies a certain way, no two of which are the same.
23rd Feb '16 1:54:44 AM Koveras
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* In ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'', each party member has a hidden perk tree of "Inspired" abilities, which are automatically unlocked at [[RelationshipValues 25, 50, 75, and 100 Disposition]] and gave increasing bonuses to their primary character stats. If their Disposition to the Warden dropped, however, the perks were revoked. Wynne additionally had an active power [[spoiler:Vessel of the Spirit]], which was unlocked by certain story events.
* In ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'', reaching either end of the [[RelationshipValues Friendship/Rivalry scale]] of a party member made it [[UndyingLoyalty lock there permanently]] and unlocked that character's unique permanent bonus.
* In ''VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic II'', you normally learn skills by investing skill/feat points into them. However, you can only learn advanced lightsaber combat forms by receiving instruction from or fighting the Jedi Masters you find throughout the game.

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* In ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'', each party member has a hidden perk tree of "Inspired" abilities, which are automatically unlocked at [[RelationshipValues 25, 50, 75, and 100 Disposition]] and gave give increasing bonuses to their primary character stats. If their Disposition to the Warden dropped, drops, however, the perks were are revoked. Wynne additionally had has an active power [[spoiler:Vessel of the Spirit]], which was is unlocked by certain story events.
* In ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'', reaching either end of the [[RelationshipValues Friendship/Rivalry scale]] of a party member made makes it [[UndyingLoyalty lock there permanently]] and unlocked unlocks that character's unique permanent bonus.
* In ''VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic II'', ''VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublicIITheSithLords'', you normally learn skills by investing skill/feat points into them. However, you can only learn advanced lightsaber combat forms by receiving instruction from or fighting the Jedi Masters you find throughout the game.
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