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22nd Jul '16 11:59:29 AM Morgenthaler
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* Gensokyo, the setting of the ''VideoGame/{{Touhou}}'' games, is ''run'' by these. [[{{Miko}} Reimu Hakurei]] is, at best, motivated by a desire for her life to be predictable mixed with not wanting it to be too boring, either, and is at worst solely motivated by the [[{{Greed}} possibility of getting donations]] and being a SlaveToPR. [[CuteWitch Marisa Kirisame]] is one part motivated by the prospect of [[KleptomaniacHero getting to loot]] [[StickyFingers magical artifacts]] from the villain's lair, one part the opportunity to upstage [[TheRival Reimu]] and one part [[BloodKnight getting to kick someone in the teeth]]. [[{{Vampire}} Remilia Scarlet]] is more interested in alleviating her own boredom and maintaining her power than actually fixing Gensoukyou's problems (and she's not the harmless kind of vampire, either). [[DeityOfHumanOrigin Sanae Kochiya]] is interested in spreading the worship of and gathering faith for her ancestor-goddesses. [[HalfHumanHybrid Youmu Konpaku]] fights because [[MyMasterRightOrWrong her mistress says so]], as does Remilia's maid Sakuya Izayoi, who is also implied to have done [[DarkSecret something ''really'' nasty in the past]]. And [[RealityWarper Yukari Yakumo]] is the {{Magnificent B|astard}}itch who founded Gensoukyou as a FantasticNatureReserve and everything she does is to further the survival of {{youkai}}, up to and including striking up deals with the humans that favor ''them'', because she knows that if humans become content and don't feel as threatened by youkai, [[DangerouslyGenreSavvy they'll lose their edge and become easier prey]].

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* Gensokyo, the setting of the ''VideoGame/{{Touhou}}'' games, is ''run'' by these. [[{{Miko}} Reimu Hakurei]] is, at best, motivated by a desire for her life to be predictable mixed with not wanting it to be too boring, either, and is at worst solely motivated by the [[{{Greed}} possibility of getting donations]] and being a SlaveToPR. [[CuteWitch Marisa Kirisame]] is one part motivated by the prospect of [[KleptomaniacHero getting to loot]] [[StickyFingers magical artifacts]] from the villain's lair, one part the opportunity to upstage [[TheRival Reimu]] and one part [[BloodKnight getting to kick someone in the teeth]]. [[{{Vampire}} Remilia Scarlet]] is more interested in alleviating her own boredom and maintaining her power than actually fixing Gensoukyou's problems (and she's not the harmless kind of vampire, either). [[DeityOfHumanOrigin Sanae Kochiya]] is interested in spreading the worship of and gathering faith for her ancestor-goddesses. [[HalfHumanHybrid Youmu Konpaku]] fights because [[MyMasterRightOrWrong her mistress says so]], as does Remilia's maid Sakuya Izayoi, who is also implied to have done [[DarkSecret something ''really'' nasty in the past]]. And [[RealityWarper Yukari Yakumo]] is the {{Magnificent B|astard}}itch who founded Gensoukyou as a FantasticNatureReserve and everything she does is to further the survival of {{youkai}}, up to and including striking up deals with the humans that favor ''them'', because she knows that if humans become content and don't feel as threatened by youkai, [[DangerouslyGenreSavvy they'll lose their edge and become easier prey]].prey.
18th Jul '16 11:11:42 AM SimiOfDoom
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* Karsa Orlong from Steven Erikson's ''Literature/MalazanBookOfTheFallen'' is just about as anti as a hero can get. Being something of a {{deconstruction}} of the ProudWarriorRaceGuy, Karsa aims to improve the world... by slaughtering millions of people and smashing civilization back to barbarism.

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* Karsa Orlong from Steven Erikson's ''Literature/MalazanBookOfTheFallen'' ''Literature/MalazanBookOfTheFallen'':
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is just about as anti as a hero can get. Being something of a {{deconstruction}} of the ProudWarriorRaceGuy, Karsa aims to improve the world... by slaughtering millions of people and smashing civilization back to barbarism.barbarism.
** Seerdomin is a hero to The Redeemer's followers, because his daily presence at the barrow discourages bandits from entering the camp surrounding it, but his reasons for visiting are rather personal and he is even surprised that people would look up to him.
17th Jul '16 12:27:27 AM Philweasel
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* Nagash is one of TabletopGame/Warhammer's biggest douchbags, and likely the single most evil person in the setting. He still has a vested interest against Chaos destroying the world however, and so for a good chunk of the lore he's technically been a "good guy". The quote marks are very much justified, and in TabletopGame/WarhammerAgeOfSigmar it's no real surprise when he finally gives in to his baser urges. It's fair to say he was only prevented from betraying everyone in TabletopGame/WarhammerTheEndTimes because one of the other "Why are we friends with this guy again?" characters betrayed ''him'' before he had the chance.

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* Nagash is one of TabletopGame/Warhammer's TabletopGame/Warhammer biggest douchbags, and likely the single most evil person in the setting. He still has a vested interest against Chaos destroying the world however, and so for a good chunk of the lore he's technically been a "good guy". The quote marks are very much justified, and in TabletopGame/WarhammerAgeOfSigmar it's no real surprise when he finally gives in to his baser urges. It's fair to say he was only prevented from betraying everyone in TabletopGame/WarhammerTheEndTimes because one of the other "Why are we friends with this guy again?" characters betrayed ''him'' before he had the chance.
17th Jul '16 12:26:20 AM Philweasel
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* Nagash is one of TabletopGame/Warhammer's biggest douchbags, and likely the single most evil person in the setting. He still has a vested interest against Chaos destroying the world however, and so for a good chunk of the lore he's technically been a "good guy". The quote marks are very much justified, and in TabletopGame/WarhammerAgeOfSigmar it's no real surprise when he finally gives in to his baser urges. It's fair to say he was only prevented from betraying everyone in TabletopGame/WarhammerTheEndTimes because one of the other "Why are we friends with this guy again?" characters got there first.

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* Nagash is one of TabletopGame/Warhammer's biggest douchbags, and likely the single most evil person in the setting. He still has a vested interest against Chaos destroying the world however, and so for a good chunk of the lore he's technically been a "good guy". The quote marks are very much justified, and in TabletopGame/WarhammerAgeOfSigmar it's no real surprise when he finally gives in to his baser urges. It's fair to say he was only prevented from betraying everyone in TabletopGame/WarhammerTheEndTimes because one of the other "Why are we friends with this guy again?" characters got there first.betrayed ''him'' before he had the chance.
17th Jul '16 12:25:05 AM Philweasel
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* Nagash is one of TabletopGame/Warhammer's biggest douchbags, and likely the single most evil person in the setting. He still has a vested interest against Chaos destroying the world however, and so for a good chunk of the lore he's technically been a "good guy". The quote marks are very much justified, and in TabletopGame/WarhammerAgeOfSigmar it's no real surprise when he finally gives in to his baser urges. It's fair to say he was only prevented from betraying everyone in TabletopGame/WarhammerTheEndTimes because one of the other "Why are we friends with this guy again?" characters got there first.


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** Vriska is normally fairly solidly on the heroes side, and still comes across as a villain most of the time. Any time she becomes too sympathetic she'll gleefully kick some random dog, and never stops being in it mostly for her own ego.
9th Jul '16 5:49:23 AM Imagine.Wizard
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** Arguably this can be applied to all the crew (with the exception of Book, whose motivations are unclear though his loyalty less so), who are on the crew for either financial gain or survival. Though there are moments of sincere heroism that even Mal can't ignore - such as returning the medicine they stole (only Jayne objects), helping out the whores (which only Jayne agrees to when he realises it'll get him free whore sex), and risking everything to out the secret behind the Reavers (even Jayne agrees to this).
7th Jun '16 11:56:28 PM TSBasilisk
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* Many of the heroes in ''Literature/{{Worm}}'' are morally dubious or in it for the sake of their own careers, but Shadow Stalker-a thrill-seeking psychopath with a [[StrawNihilist poorly articulated philosophy]] that serves only the purpose of [[BewareTheSuperman placing her at the top of the food chain]] and regularly brutalizes or kills criminals when she thinks she can get away with it-is the clearest example of this trope.

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* Many of the heroes in ''Literature/{{Worm}}'' are morally dubious or in it for the sake of their own careers, but careers. Shadow Stalker-a Stalker - a thrill-seeking psychopath with a [[StrawNihilist poorly articulated philosophy]] that serves only the purpose of [[BewareTheSuperman placing her at the top of the food chain]] and regularly brutalizes or kills criminals when she thinks she can get away with it-is it - is the clearest example of this trope.
4th Jun '16 11:58:17 PM infernape612
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* Sentinel Prime from ''WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated'' is technically on the side of the good guys, being a member of the high-ranked Autobot Elite Guard, but is a pompous, arrogant, incompetent GloryHound JerkAss with [[FantasticRacism a truly appalling level of anti-organic bigotry]]. He hates the Decepticons, but that's about the only thing "heroic" about him. He manages to get even ''worse'' as we learn more about him, and discover the reason for his hatred for [[NiceGuy Optimus Prime]]: [[spoiler: way back when they were both cadets together, they had a female friend, Elita-1, until one day Sentinel and Elita-1 talked Optimus into making a trip to a forbidden, organic-inhabited planet to search for the wreck of a Decepticon battleship and retrieve its lost stockpile of Energon. Despite the fact that, as he repeatedly pointed out, this was both illegal and highly dangerous, Optimus eventually went along, mostly to keep them out of trouble. As expected, things went disastrously wrong when they were attacked by a colony of {{Giant Spider}]s and the Energon stockpile blew up; Optimus managed to drag Sentinel to safety, but Elita-1 was presumably killed. This got them both courtmartialed, but because Optimus took all the blame, only he was expelled from the Elite Guard Academy. Sentinel [[NeverMyFault never admitted he was the one who led them to the planet, nor stopped blaming Optimus for Elita-1's death]]. And just when you think he couldn't get worse, when he finally meets Blackarachnia, the transmutated Elita-1, he is so disgusted by her technorganic state that he outright tells her that she should have ''killed herself'' rather than living like this, making Blackarachnia, herself no fan of her state, protest that it's not ''that'' bad. He truly cements his JerkWithAHeartOfJerk status when he promptly attacks her and tries to kill her himself!]]

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* Sentinel Prime from ''WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated'' is technically on the side of the good guys, being a member of the high-ranked Autobot Elite Guard, but is a pompous, arrogant, incompetent GloryHound JerkAss with [[FantasticRacism a truly appalling level of anti-organic bigotry]]. He hates the Decepticons, but that's about the only thing "heroic" about him. He manages to get even ''worse'' as we learn more about him, and discover the reason for his hatred for [[NiceGuy Optimus Prime]]: [[spoiler: way back when they were both cadets together, they had a female friend, Elita-1, until one day Sentinel and Elita-1 talked Optimus into making a trip to a forbidden, organic-inhabited planet to search for the wreck of a Decepticon battleship and retrieve its lost stockpile of Energon. Despite the fact that, as he repeatedly pointed out, this was both illegal and highly dangerous, Optimus eventually went along, mostly to keep them out of trouble. As expected, things went disastrously wrong when they were attacked by a colony of {{Giant Spider}]s Spider}}s and the Energon stockpile blew up; Optimus managed to drag Sentinel to safety, but Elita-1 was presumably killed. This got them both courtmartialed, but because Optimus took all the blame, only he was expelled from the Elite Guard Academy. Sentinel [[NeverMyFault never admitted he was the one who led them to the planet, nor stopped blaming Optimus for Elita-1's death]]. And just when you think he couldn't get worse, when he finally meets Blackarachnia, the transmutated Elita-1, he is so disgusted by her technorganic state that he outright tells her that she should have ''killed herself'' rather than living like this, making Blackarachnia, herself no fan of her state, protest that it's not ''that'' bad. He truly cements his JerkWithAHeartOfJerk status when he promptly attacks her and tries to kill her himself!]]
24th May '16 1:28:32 AM That897Guy
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* If one does a PacifistRun in VideoGame/{{Undertale}} after having previously done a [[KillEmAll Genocide run]], the ending will acknowledge the fact that the player has already dirtied their hands and so must effectively be the "did it because they were bored" variant of this trope.
** To parallel this is the fact that [[spoiler: upon discovering his SAVE ability, Flowey first used this power to solve everyone's problems and become friends with everyone, just as the player likely did before reaching the point where this is revealed. Flowey describes these activities and the friendship of the monsters as "amusing... for a while."]]
16th May '16 1:37:32 PM DreamerCynist2
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* The protagonists of the ''VideoGame/{{Prototype}}'' series are vengeful [[HumanoidAbomination shapeshifting monsters]] whose primary goals are revenge. They do save the city of Manhattan from the villains of their respective games, but both Alex Mercer and James Heller acknowledge that they are not particularly morally upstanding people.

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* The protagonists of the ''VideoGame/{{Prototype}}'' series are vengeful [[HumanoidAbomination shapeshifting monsters]] whose primary goals are revenge. They do save the city of Manhattan from the villains of their respective games, games and genuinely care about those closet to them, but both Alex Mercer and James Heller acknowledge that they are not particularly morally upstanding people.
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