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13th Oct '17 8:27:23 PM Sharysa
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* The premise of ''WesternAnimation/{{Archer}}'', ISIS is a spy organization with incompetent employees. Pam, head of Human Resources, is a FatIdiot, [[AnythingThatMoves makes passes at everyone]], and is tremendous gossip who in six seasons has never been shown doing kind of HR work. Nothing stops the rampant sexual harassment, gunfire wounds and other inter-office debacles, such as Archer making Pam pee in fear. The fact that nearly everyone at ISIS is an asshole and/or deranged in some way possily balances it somewhat.

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* The premise of ''WesternAnimation/{{Archer}}'', ISIS is a spy organization with incompetent employees. Pam, head of Human Resources, is a FatIdiot, [[AnythingThatMoves makes passes at everyone]], and is tremendous gossip who in six seasons has never been shown doing any kind of HR work. Nothing stops the rampant sexual harassment, gunfire wounds and other inter-office debacles, such as Archer making Pam pee in fear. The fact that nearly everyone at ISIS is an asshole and/or deranged in some way possily balances it somewhat.
5th Oct '17 4:08:51 AM Argon2
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** Additionally, the aforementioned cadet who spearheaded the beating is later seen working as a security guard (and may possibly be the security chief) on the same ship the man who stopped the beating (Captain Pike) was captain of. The guard detains Kirk and remembers who he was from the aforementioned beating, mocking him by saying "Cupcake". He then brings him to the bridge and stands around watching while Spock (who at the time is the ''acting captain'') beats the crap out of Kirk, which proves to be so shocking that Spock relinquishes command immediately after. Even though any sane person would have had him reprimanded for gross negligence, he gets off scot-free when Kirk assumes command of the Enterprise.

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** Additionally, the aforementioned cadet who spearheaded the beating is later seen working as a security guard (and may possibly be the security chief) on the same ship the man who stopped the beating (Captain Pike) was captain of. The guard detains Kirk and remembers who he was from the aforementioned beating, mocking him by saying "Cupcake". He then brings him to the bridge and stands around watching while Spock (who at the time is the ''acting captain'') beats the crap out of Kirk, which proves to be so shocking that Spock relinquishes command immediately after. Even though any sane person would have had him reprimanded for gross negligence, he gets off scot-free when Kirk assumes command of the Enterprise.
7th Aug '17 11:59:14 PM narm00
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* In ''Literature/TheManWithTheTerribleEyes'', employees at Iotech are subjected to memory rewrites, torture, human experimentation, gunfire, explosions, monstrous shadow monsters being released from the cells in the basement. No one ever gets in trouble for all this. Probably helps that the Supervisor has done worse.

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* In ''Literature/TheManWithTheTerribleEyes'', employees at Iotech are subjected to memory rewrites, torture, human experimentation, gunfire, explosions, and monstrous shadow monsters being released from the cells in the basement. No one ever gets in trouble for all this. Probably helps that the Supervisor has done worse.



* ''Series/{{Torchwood}}'' has its HR concentrated in its boss, Captain Jack Harkness, which is basically the show's way of looking at this trope then doubling over from a laughing attack. In fact, while he does exercise the authority to make his team do as he says, one can lose count of when they have defied his command to the point all of them have UltimateJobSecurity, threats of Retcon be damned. He also happens to have no policy whatsoever regarding office fraternization (mostly because he has the biggest libido in said office), and while Torchwood-3 has a thick enough veneer to pass as a serious organization (albeit understaffed), everyone from Jack on down has violated every security protocol ever established for Torchwood and has, through accidental or deliberate action, nearly screwed the entire planet over due to sheer incompetence/arrogance/idiocy to the point the HR division of his duties seems like the most hilariously ironic joke in the Whoiniverse.
* In ''Series/StarTrek'', [=McCoy=]'s constantly abuses verbally Spock as a "green blooded bastard", among many other terms of endearment, all to Captain Kirk's amusement. There's some justification in the show being written in TheSixties (later Trek series reserved such blatant FantasticRacism for {{Aesop}} purposes), and in that Spock never seems anything less than amused by the insults (and gives as good as he gets), though its setting in a Utopian future aboard a military vessel makes Kirk and the crew's tacit approval of such behavior all the more baffling. And then it turns into an actual fight in "Day of the Dove," with [=McCoy=] smearing Spock, Spock getting angry and coldly announcing his dislike of the whole human race, tensions rise, Kirk gets in the middle pointing out loudly that [[HalfHumanHybrid Spock's half human]]...which, despite being the only thing that wasn't technically an insult, is the line-crossing that makes him realize something is very wrong here, and then they start tracking down the latest [[EmotionBomb emotion-manipulating]] MonsterOfTheWeek.

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* ''Series/{{Torchwood}}'' has its HR concentrated in its boss, Captain Jack Harkness, which is basically the show's way of looking at this trope then doubling over from a laughing attack. In fact, while he does exercise the authority to make his team do as he says, one can lose count of when they have defied his command to the point all of them have UltimateJobSecurity, threats of Retcon [[LaserGuidedAmnesia Retcon]] be damned. He also happens to have no policy whatsoever regarding office fraternization (mostly because he has the biggest libido in said office), and while Torchwood-3 has a thick enough veneer to pass as a serious organization (albeit understaffed), everyone from Jack on down has violated every security protocol ever established for Torchwood and has, through accidental or deliberate action, nearly screwed the entire planet over due to sheer incompetence/arrogance/idiocy to the point the HR division of his duties seems like the most hilariously ironic joke in the Whoiniverse.
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* In ''Series/StarTrek'', [=McCoy=]'s [=McCoy=] constantly abuses verbally abuses Spock as a "green blooded bastard", among many other terms of endearment, all to Captain Kirk's amusement. There's some justification in the show being written in TheSixties (later Trek series reserved such blatant FantasticRacism for {{Aesop}} purposes), and in that Spock never seems anything less than amused by the insults (and gives as good as he gets), though its setting in a Utopian future aboard a military vessel makes Kirk and the crew's tacit approval of such behavior all the more baffling. And then it turns into an actual fight in "Day of the Dove," with Dove": [=McCoy=] smearing smears Spock, Spock getting gets angry and coldly announcing announces his dislike of the whole human race, tensions rise, Kirk gets in the middle pointing out loudly that [[HalfHumanHybrid Spock's half human]]...which, despite being the only thing that wasn't technically an insult, is the line-crossing that makes him realize something is very wrong here, and then they start tracking down the latest [[EmotionBomb emotion-manipulating]] MonsterOfTheWeek.



* In ''Series/{{Angel}}'' Wolfram and Hart, being a law firm specializing in catering to and employing demons, vampires, warlocks and criminals, didn't have a lot of time for resolving employee disputes with anything but death. Things didn't improve much when Angel took over, though he did add a personal touch. That is, he'd call you into his office and cut off your head instead of having people dragged off by security. Wesley ''shot'' two employees, one fatally, one in the knee for suggesting that the ''entire department'' couldn't all work on the same thing, and stabbed another. Though they were all involved with what happened to Fred, and Wesley and Sanity have never been friends where she's concerned. It helps that they feel most of their employees deserve to die, so they didn't have much of an incentive to set up proper conflict resolution. Harmony also staked a secretary in full view of most of the management, during a business meeting. Though she probably would have got in trouble if the demons they were meeting with hadn't assumed it was a blood sacrifice and taken it as an apology for their earlier treatment.
* The Los Angeles branch of CTU in ''[[Series/TwentyFour 24]]'' was subject to so many instances of this trope that the entire locale of the series was changed in Season 7 because of it. To note, several employees were tortured and forced to go back to work, computer technicians were verbally harassed by other co-workers and several acting administrators abused their power over employees. Any attempts to change the status quo were usually done by an internal coup, and CTU was later disbanded as a result of these violations.

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* In ''Series/{{Angel}}'' Wolfram and Hart, being a law firm specializing in catering to and employing demons, vampires, warlocks and criminals, didn't have a lot of time for resolving employee disputes with anything but death. Things didn't improve much when Angel took over, though he did add a personal touch. That is, he'd call you into his office and cut off your head instead of having people dragged off by security. Wesley ''shot'' two employees, one fatally, one in the knee for suggesting that the ''entire department'' couldn't all work on the same thing, and stabbed another. Though they were all involved with what happened to Fred, and Wesley and Sanity have never been friends where she's concerned. It helps that they feel felt most of their employees deserve to die, so they didn't have much of an incentive to set up proper conflict resolution. Harmony also staked a secretary in full view of most of the management, during a business meeting. Though she probably would have got in trouble if the demons they were meeting with hadn't assumed it was a blood sacrifice and taken it as an apology for their earlier treatment.
* The Los Angeles branch of CTU in ''[[Series/TwentyFour 24]]'' ''Series/TwentyFour'' was subject to so many instances of this trope that the entire locale of the series was changed in Season 7 because of it. To note, several employees were tortured and forced to go back to work, computer technicians were verbally harassed by other co-workers and several acting administrators abused their power over employees. Any attempts to change the status quo were usually done by an internal coup, and CTU was later disbanded as a result of these violations.



** Kelso also seems to think that the most effective way to maintain a stable employee environment is to make him the central figure of everybody's hatred. The effectiveness of this is... debatable.

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** Kelso also seems to think that the most effective way to maintain a stable employee environment is to make him himself the central figure of everybody's hatred. The effectiveness of this is... debatable.
28th Jul '17 9:03:22 AM xcountryguy
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** Indeed, the only time it arises in the story is when [[spoiler: the ManipulativeBastard ''himself'' reports all of his partner's misdeeds and gets him in trouble for their shared offenses]].

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** Indeed, the only time it arises in the story is when [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the ManipulativeBastard ''himself'' reports all of his partner's misdeeds and gets him in trouble for their shared offenses]].



** In the series GrandFinale [[spoiler: Kevin]] is finally fired for utter incompetence and then [[spoiler: Toby]] is fired right afterwards for being so useless.

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** In the series GrandFinale [[spoiler: Kevin]] [[spoiler:Kevin]] is finally fired for utter incompetence and then [[spoiler: Toby]] [[spoiler:Toby]] is fired right afterwards for being so useless.
2nd Jul '17 10:58:26 AM nombretomado
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** It's important to [[{{Kayfabe}} maintain the illusion]] that all of this could really be happening. In a world where Robocop is real, TheUndertaker is somehow undead, and [[WrestlingDoesntPay doctors, lawyers, tax collectors and garbagemen can also be professional wrestlers]] while keeping their day jobs. [[FleetingDemographicRule And then show up a year later]] with [[ReTool a completely different persona.]]

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** It's important to [[{{Kayfabe}} maintain the illusion]] that all of this could really be happening. In a world where Robocop is real, TheUndertaker Wrestling/TheUndertaker is somehow undead, and [[WrestlingDoesntPay doctors, lawyers, tax collectors and garbagemen can also be professional wrestlers]] while keeping their day jobs. [[FleetingDemographicRule And then show up a year later]] with [[ReTool a completely different persona.]]
4th Jun '17 11:15:13 PM Discar
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* ''Series/{{Supergirl 2015}}'': Subverted when Kara starts dating one of her coworkers. Her boss immediately informs her that they'll need to go see Pam in HR ("We have an HR?") and fill out the proper forms in triplicate, while Kara's sister gleefully says that they'll have to attend a mandatory sexual harassment seminar.
28th Dec '16 10:59:43 PM Xtifr
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* Creator/CharlesStross' TheLaundrySeries inverts this trope, or just [[ZigZaggingTrope zig-zags with it]]. The Laundry ''does'' have a human resources department, but it is often the ''cause'' of the problems that in RealLife they'd be expected to solve. This is partly just because of RuleOfFunny, partly because of the [[ProperlyParanoid spy]] [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder setting]], partly because almost no one chooses to work at the Laundry and so they take their frustrations out on each other, and also partly because of the UltimateJobSecurity - no one, neither HR personnel nor the people they're supposed to oversee, can be fired until they screw up big enough to get killed.

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* Creator/CharlesStross' TheLaundrySeries ''Literature/TheLaundryFiles'' inverts this trope, or just [[ZigZaggingTrope zig-zags with it]]. The Laundry ''does'' have a human resources department, but it is often the ''cause'' of the problems that in RealLife they'd be expected to solve. This is partly just because of RuleOfFunny, partly because of the [[ProperlyParanoid spy]] [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder setting]], partly because almost no one chooses to work at the Laundry and so they take their frustrations out on each other, and also partly because of the UltimateJobSecurity - no one, neither HR personnel nor the people they're supposed to oversee, can be fired until they screw up big enough to get killed.
10th Dec '16 8:12:25 AM Doug86
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* Subverted on ''TheBigBangTheory'' when Sheldon gets called to H.R. for sexual harassment, then proceeds to throw the other guys under the bus for all the crap that they've pulled during work hours. It's revealed that Howard is on a first name basis with Mrs. Davis, the H.R. director, after being called to her office so many times. It's still all PlayedForLaughs, though.

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* Subverted on ''TheBigBangTheory'' ''Series/TheBigBangTheory'' when Sheldon gets called to H.R. for sexual harassment, then proceeds to throw the other guys under the bus for all the crap that they've pulled during work hours. It's revealed that Howard is on a first name basis with Mrs. Davis, the H.R. director, after being called to her office so many times. It's still all PlayedForLaughs, though.
8th Dec '16 3:15:05 AM AgentTasmania
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* The premise of ''WesternAnimation/{{Archer}}'', ISIS is a spy organization with incompetent employees. Pam, head of Human Resources, is a FatIdiot, [[AnythingThatMoves makes passes at everyone]], and is tremendous gossip. Nothing stops the rampant sexual harassment, gunfire wounds and other inter-office debacles, such as Archer making Pam pee in fear. In Archer's case, he keeps his job because his mother is the head of the company, but that doesn't explain many of the other employees.

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* The premise of ''WesternAnimation/{{Archer}}'', ISIS is a spy organization with incompetent employees. Pam, head of Human Resources, is a FatIdiot, [[AnythingThatMoves makes passes at everyone]], and is tremendous gossip.gossip who in six seasons has never been shown doing kind of HR work. Nothing stops the rampant sexual harassment, gunfire wounds and other inter-office debacles, such as Archer making Pam pee in fear. In Archer's case, he keeps his job because his mother is the head of the company, but The fact that doesn't explain many of the other employees. nearly everyone at ISIS is an asshole and/or deranged in some way possily balances it somewhat.
25th Nov '16 11:33:31 AM Morgenthaler
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If the victim's a BadAss hero, the JerkAss co-worker who started the fight's probably going to quickly find himself taking a dive. If it's the AntiHero doing the punching, expect his target, probably an ObstructiveBureaucrat, to also be a SissyVillain. Just don't expect the situation to escalate into meetings with managers and termination notices, and certainly don't expect anyone to get arrested on assault charges.

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If the victim's a BadAss badass hero, the JerkAss co-worker who started the fight's probably going to quickly find himself taking a dive. If it's the AntiHero doing the punching, expect his target, probably an ObstructiveBureaucrat, to also be a SissyVillain. Just don't expect the situation to escalate into meetings with managers and termination notices, and certainly don't expect anyone to get arrested on assault charges.
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