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14th May '18 1:50:55 PM ProfessorDetective
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* Played relatively straight in ''TabletopGame/HunterTheVigil''. While none of the conspiracies are strictly "evil", the Cheiron Group is a thoroughly amoral corporation dedicated to harvesting supernatural body-parts for profit, and very keen on performing painful and potentially lethal modifications on their field agents (sometimes with consent, but always without explaining the downsides). On the other hand, the government-run agencies such as Task Force Valkyrie and VASCU are generally dedicated to protecting the general public from monstrous enemies, fighting the good fight, and so on. Guess which factions are frequently hampered by bureaucracy, infighting and budget cuts?
** Then again, Valkryie and VASCU actually have these moral scruple thingies that prevent them from using mind control implants on their own employees, or selling monster parts on the black market for ridiculous profit...

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* ** Played relatively straight in ''TabletopGame/HunterTheVigil''. While none of the conspiracies are strictly "evil", the Cheiron Group is a thoroughly amoral corporation dedicated to harvesting supernatural body-parts for profit, and very keen on performing painful and potentially lethal modifications on their field agents (sometimes with consent, but always without explaining the downsides). On the other hand, the government-run agencies such as Task Force Valkyrie and VASCU are generally dedicated to protecting the general public from monstrous enemies, fighting the good fight, and so on. Guess which factions are frequently hampered by bureaucracy, infighting and budget cuts?
** *** Then again, Valkryie and VASCU actually have these moral scruple thingies that prevent them from using mind control implants on their own employees, employees or selling monster parts on the black market for ridiculous profit...



* A big part of ''VideoGame/DeusEx'' is that the conspiracies keep ''[[WeAreStrugglingTogether breaking apart.]]'' At the heart of the story is [[spoiler:the original AncientConspiracy, the Illuminati.]] One of their members breaks away to form [[spoiler:Majestic 12,]] and starts fighting them for control of the world, then a bunch of scientists make a HeelFaceTurn and split off into [[spoiler:X-51]] to fight ''both'' of them. They get some assistance from every RightWingMilitiaFanatic in the US, resulting in a RagtagBunchOfMisfits that call themselves [[spoiler:the National Secessionist Forces.]] Along the way another conspirator starts a PlayfulHacker resistance called "Silhouette", which fights [[spoiler:the Illuminati and Majestic 12.]] TheTriadsAndTheTongs have a MadScientist or twenty, and tear off a chunk of Southeast Asia for themselves, allying with whoever suits their purposes at the moment.

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* A big part of ''VideoGame/DeusEx'' is that the conspiracies keep ''[[WeAreStrugglingTogether breaking apart.]]'' At the heart of the story is [[spoiler:the original AncientConspiracy, the Illuminati.]] One of their members breaks away to form [[spoiler:Majestic 12,]] and starts fighting them for control of the world, then a bunch of scientists make a HeelFaceTurn and split off into [[spoiler:X-51]] to fight ''both'' of them. They get some assistance from every RightWingMilitiaFanatic in the US, resulting in a RagtagBunchOfMisfits that call themselves [[spoiler:the [[spoiler: the National Secessionist Forces.]] Along the way another conspirator starts a PlayfulHacker resistance called "Silhouette", which fights [[spoiler:the Illuminati and Majestic 12.]] TheTriadsAndTheTongs have a MadScientist or twenty, and tear off a chunk of Southeast Asia for themselves, allying with whoever suits their purposes at the moment.



** Nod's fanatic efficiency comes from the fact that they (like most cases of TheEmpire) weed out inefficient members (especially in the inner circle of Kane and his [[NonEntityGeneral Commanders]]) and that Nod, as a whole, relies on strong leaders rather than a bureaucracy. As exemplified by the frequent [[EnemyCivilWar Nod Civil Wars]] as well as Alexa's unauthorised listening of Killian's transmissions and undermining her authority, it is evident that Nod is far less efficient than it seems. They are merely more...driven and fanatical about what they do, hence more interested in doing it right.
** GDI's problems with bureaucrats is played with in ''[[VideoGame/CommandAndConquerTiberianDawn Tiberian Dawn]]''. In the canonical GDI campaign, they do indeed get their budget suspended by the UN pending an investigation of reported atrocities Nod has framed GDI for... [[spoiler:as part of a plan by GDI's commanding officer General Mark Sheppard to bait Nod into striking before the Brotherhood is really ready. The bureaucrats were just playing along, and when the bait is taken, General Sheppard returns with a larger budget and new toys for GDI.]]

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** Nod's fanatic efficiency comes from the fact that they (like most cases of TheEmpire) weed out inefficient members (especially in the inner circle of Kane and his [[NonEntityGeneral Commanders]]) and that Nod, as a whole, relies on strong leaders rather than a bureaucracy. As exemplified by the frequent [[EnemyCivilWar Nod Civil Wars]] as well as Alexa's unauthorised unauthorized listening of Killian's transmissions and undermining her authority, it is evident that Nod is far less efficient than it seems. They are merely more...driven and fanatical about what they do, hence more interested in doing it right.
** GDI's problems with bureaucrats is played with in within ''[[VideoGame/CommandAndConquerTiberianDawn Tiberian Dawn]]''. In the canonical GDI campaign, they do indeed get their budget suspended by the UN pending an investigation of reported atrocities Nod has framed GDI for... [[spoiler:as [[spoiler: as part of a plan by GDI's commanding officer General Mark Sheppard to bait Nod into striking before the Brotherhood is really ready. The bureaucrats were just playing along, and when the bait is taken, General Sheppard returns with a larger budget and new toys for GDI.]]



** The Empire of Blood [[spoiler:and the other two major empires in the West Continent desert]] inverts this because holding an empire in the West Continent desert is near-impossible if done with warlord tactics; maps and leaders change in a matter of months, so decreasing the delay in everything means that the people rise up and get conquered faster. So, to hold his empire, Tarquin had to create an elaborate genre-savvy system of checks and balances, executions and arrests, and magnificently devious relationships with the other major empires [[spoiler: (they're all friends)]]. The end result of the delays is that the villains can use bureaucracy to restructure an empire themselves each time it falls, turning revolutions into phyrric victories when the empires inevitably collapse, thereby perpetuating the network, and ultimately, the empirical concept.

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** The Empire of Blood [[spoiler:and the other two major empires in the West Continent desert]] inverts this because holding an empire in the West Continent desert is near-impossible if done with warlord tactics; maps and leaders change in a matter of months, so decreasing the delay in everything means that the people rise up and get conquered faster. So, to hold his empire, Tarquin had to create an elaborate genre-savvy system of checks and balances, executions and arrests, and magnificently devious relationships with the other major empires [[spoiler: (they're all friends)]]. The end result of the delays is that the villains can use bureaucracy to restructure an empire themselves each time it falls, turning revolutions into phyrric pyrrhic victories when the empires inevitably collapse, thereby perpetuating the network, and ultimately, the empirical concept.



** It's implied in parts of the NegativeContinuity that large portions of world government are aware of the Foundation but know enough not to stick their noses in. Official doctrine in ''many'' stories mentions that if the fate of humanity is at stake the Foundation can hit all sorts of [[ResetButton reboots]]. A couple items in the listings specifically note other organisations working on a cover-up. One specific story has a ReligionOfEvil help contain a mass panic they caused, because EvenEvilHasStandards .

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** It's implied in parts of the NegativeContinuity that large portions of world government are aware of the Foundation but know enough not to stick their noses in. Official doctrine in ''many'' stories mentions that if the fate of humanity is at stake the Foundation can hit all sorts of [[ResetButton reboots]]. A couple items in the listings specifically note other organisations organizations working on a cover-up. One specific story has a ReligionOfEvil help contain a mass panic they caused, because EvenEvilHasStandards .



* The ''WesternAnimation/CodenameKidsNextDoor'' episode "Operation TRIP" [[spoiler:is based on this]]. Two spies chasing [[TheDitz Numbuh Three]] are plagued by horrible coincidences, like bumping in to a rabid dog, getting on the wrong train, and so on. [[spoiler:In the end, it turns out that every accident they had was arranged by the heroes]].

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* The ''WesternAnimation/CodenameKidsNextDoor'' episode "Operation TRIP" [[spoiler:is based on this]]. Two spies chasing [[TheDitz Numbuh Three]] are plagued by horrible coincidences, like bumping in to into a rabid dog, getting on the wrong train, and so on. [[spoiler:In the end, it turns out that every accident they had was arranged by the heroes]].
8th Apr '18 8:17:09 PM Kalaong
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** Subverted in Tunguska, where the conspiracy is thwarted when OverreactingAirportSecurity decides to crack open a package of black oil; ''despite'' the courier giving up and admitting he's transporting biohazardous material, the customs agent chooses to believe it's valuable contraband -- most likely something worth stealing. TruthInTelevision; though smartphones and self-tracing electronics have made it very easy to catch them in the act in the 21st century, they've ''always'' had sticky fingers. An excellent example of how the conspiracy could have plants in various government department, they had no control of little things. A few seasons later however, some of their schemes would require every single person in the FBI building to be part of the conspiracy.

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** Subverted in Tunguska, where the conspiracy is thwarted when OverreactingAirportSecurity decides to crack open a package of [[TheVirus black oil; oil]]; ''despite'' the courier giving up and admitting he's transporting biohazardous material, the customs agent chooses to believe it's valuable contraband -- most likely something worth stealing. TruthInTelevision; though smartphones and self-tracing electronics have made it very easy to catch them in the act in the 21st century, they've ''always'' had sticky fingers. An excellent example of how the conspiracy could have plants in various government department, they had no control of little things. A few seasons later however, some of their schemes would require every single person in the FBI building to be part of the conspiracy.
8th Mar '18 7:45:17 PM Kalaong
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** Subverted in Tunguska, where the conspiracy is thwarted when OverreactingAirportSecurity decides to crack open a package of black oil; ''despite'' the courier giving up and admitting he's transporting biohazardous material, the customs agent chooses to believe its valuable contraband -- most likely something worth stealing. TruthInTelevision; though smartphones and self-tracing electronics have made it very easy to catch them in the act in the 21st century, they've ''always'' had sticky fingers. An excellent example of how the conspiracy could have plants in various government department, they had no control of little things. A few seasons later however, some of their schemes would require every single person in the FBI building to be part of the conspiracy.

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** Subverted in Tunguska, where the conspiracy is thwarted when OverreactingAirportSecurity decides to crack open a package of black oil; ''despite'' the courier giving up and admitting he's transporting biohazardous material, the customs agent chooses to believe its it's valuable contraband -- most likely something worth stealing. TruthInTelevision; though smartphones and self-tracing electronics have made it very easy to catch them in the act in the 21st century, they've ''always'' had sticky fingers. An excellent example of how the conspiracy could have plants in various government department, they had no control of little things. A few seasons later however, some of their schemes would require every single person in the FBI building to be part of the conspiracy.
5th Mar '18 8:51:05 PM Kalaong
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** Subverted in Tunguska, where the conspiracy is thwarted when OverreactingAirportSecurity decides to crack open a package of black oil; ''despite'' the courier giving up and admitting he's transporting biohazardous material, the customs agent chooses to believe there's valuable contraband inside the creepy transparent tubes -- most likely something worth stealing. TruthInTelevision; though smartphones and self-tracing electronics have made it very easy to catch them in the act in the 21st century, they've ''always'' had sticky fingers. An excellent example of how the conspiracy could have plants in various government department, they had no control of little things. A few seasons later however, some of their schemes would require every single person in the FBI building to be part of the conspiracy.
** A particularly egregious example; even when something goes wrong the MIB move in so fast that the heroes are lucky if they get there in time to watch the evidence/witness/villain disappear.

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** Subverted in Tunguska, where the conspiracy is thwarted when OverreactingAirportSecurity decides to crack open a package of black oil; ''despite'' the courier giving up and admitting he's transporting biohazardous material, the customs agent chooses to believe there's its valuable contraband inside the creepy transparent tubes -- most likely something worth stealing. TruthInTelevision; though smartphones and self-tracing electronics have made it very easy to catch them in the act in the 21st century, they've ''always'' had sticky fingers. An excellent example of how the conspiracy could have plants in various government department, they had no control of little things. A few seasons later however, some of their schemes would require every single person in the FBI building to be part of the conspiracy.
** A particularly egregious example; even when something goes wrong the MIB move in so fast that the heroes are lucky if they get there in time to watch the evidence/witness/villain evidence/witness/villain/MonsterOfTheWeek disappear.
21st Feb '18 9:38:00 PM Kalaong
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** Subverted in Tunguska, where the conspiracy is thwarted when a member of staff at the airport decides to check a package of black oil. I thought this was a lovely almost plausible example as it showed that, while the conspiracy had plants in various government department, they had no control of little things. A few seasons later however, some of their schemes would require every single person in the FBI building to be part of the conspiracy.

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** Subverted in Tunguska, where the conspiracy is thwarted when a member of staff at the airport OverreactingAirportSecurity decides to check crack open a package of black oil. I thought this was a lovely almost plausible oil; ''despite'' the courier giving up and admitting he's transporting biohazardous material, the customs agent chooses to believe there's valuable contraband inside the creepy transparent tubes -- most likely something worth stealing. TruthInTelevision; though smartphones and self-tracing electronics have made it very easy to catch them in the act in the 21st century, they've ''always'' had sticky fingers. An excellent example as it showed that, while of how the conspiracy had could have plants in various government department, they had no control of little things. A few seasons later however, some of their schemes would require every single person in the FBI building to be part of the conspiracy.
12th Jan '18 4:14:12 AM Cryoclaste
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* Averted in a gag in the SailorMoon S season where Eudial calls Haruka's house to leave a message on her answering machine that she has found the holder of a talisman. Eudial's message gets cut off by the answering machine only allowing messages of a certain length, and then she has to call back and leaves the rest of her message, which begins with her yelling about the answering machine cutting her off in the first message.

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* Averted in a gag in the SailorMoon S ''Franchise/SailorMoon S'' season where Eudial calls Haruka's house to leave a message on her answering machine that she has found the holder of a talisman. Eudial's message gets cut off by the answering machine only allowing messages of a certain length, and then she has to call back and leaves the rest of her message, which begins with her yelling about the answering machine cutting her off in the first message.
11th Jan '18 8:28:23 AM Cryoclaste
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* Similar to the ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' example, TheVentureBrothers shows that the minions of the supervillains often question the order of their bosses, have very human failings, have a union of their own and will bring their negotiating demands to their bosses who themselves constantly struggle with budgetary contraints. This show loves taking the demolition ball to any trope it can find.

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* Similar to the ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' example, TheVentureBrothers ''WesternAnimation/TheVentureBros'' shows that the minions of the supervillains often question the order of their bosses, have very human failings, have a union of their own and will bring their negotiating demands to their bosses who themselves constantly struggle with budgetary contraints. This show loves taking the demolition ball to any trope it can find.
8th Jan '18 7:33:50 AM Cryoclaste
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* Becomes a plot point in ''[[NancyDrew Alibi In Ashes]]'', when Nancy realizes that [[spoiler: Brenda]] has some secret way of getting around town very fast, despite traffic delays and bridge closures.

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* Becomes a plot point in ''[[NancyDrew ''[[VideoGame/NancyDrew Alibi In Ashes]]'', when Nancy realizes that [[spoiler: Brenda]] has some secret way of getting around town very fast, despite traffic delays and bridge closures.
11th Sep '17 6:22:26 AM Chabal2
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* In ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'', the Imperium is the largest aversion to this trope. The galaxy spanning empire is rife with corruption and bureaucracy (in fact, there are entire PLANETS of {{Obstructive Bureaucrat}}s). If a planet or system falls under attack, it can take years to organize a sizeable relief force and get to the front lines, assuming there aren't any freak Warp storms to delay or outright destroy the fleet. It's so bad that entire planetary systems are lost and armies rerouted to the wrong place due to ''rounding errors''. The only faction that seems to play this trope straight are the Forces of Chaos, if only because by their very nature they sneer and heckle such fool concepts as logistics and casualty.

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* In ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'', the 40000}}'':
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Imperium is the largest aversion to this trope. The galaxy spanning empire is rife with corruption and bureaucracy (in fact, there are entire PLANETS of {{Obstructive Bureaucrat}}s). If a planet or system falls under attack, it can take years to organize a sizeable relief force and get to the front lines, assuming there aren't any freak Warp storms to delay or outright destroy the fleet. It's so bad that entire planetary systems are lost and armies rerouted to the wrong place due to ''rounding errors''. The only faction that seems to play this trope straight are the Forces of Chaos, if only because by their very nature they sneer and heckle such fool concepts as logistics and casualty.
** An excellent example is Warp travel, (almost) the only way to get from planet to planet. Where humans depend on Navigators and regularly fall victim to [[HyperspaceIsAScaryPlace daemons and warpspawn and other horrible things living there]], the forces of Chaos can control the Warp (if their gods aren't feeling like dicks to them that day), the Eldar use a different dimension called the Webway, the Tau use a safer but much slower method that doesn't ''quite'' enter the Warp, the Tyranids move at sub-FTL in realspace (and good thing too, otherwise they'd have eaten the galaxy already), the Necrons have science so advanced they can go at FTL in realspace... In fact, the only faction to not fear getting waylaid by Warp currents are the orks, because it means a good fight either way.
30th Aug '17 4:58:24 AM Reddkryten
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**Subverted in Tunguska, where the conspiracy is thwarted when a member of staff at the airport decides to check a package of black oil. I thought this was a lovely almost plausible example as it showed that, while the conspiracy had plants in various government department, they had no control of little things. A few seasons later however, some of their schemes would require every single person in the FBI building to be part of the conspiracy.
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