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24th Mar '18 8:41:06 PM nombretomado
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* Averted in the [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cCC8a6HMz4 music video]] for Put It To The Test, by TheyMightBeGiants.

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* Averted in the [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cCC8a6HMz4 music video]] for Put "Put It To The Test, Test", by TheyMightBeGiants.Music/TheyMightBeGiants.
21st Jan '18 1:17:58 PM nombretomado
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* Max Barry's ''MachineMan'' has a laboratory's worth of scientists testing out an entire LINE of Better Parts on themselves. Better Spleens, Better Eyes, Better Muscles...

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* Max Barry's ''MachineMan'' ''Literature/MachineMan'' has a laboratory's worth of scientists testing out an entire LINE of Better Parts on themselves. Better Spleens, Better Eyes, Better Muscles...
28th Dec '17 11:23:14 AM thatother1dude
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-->'''Cave Johnson''': Alright, let's get started! This first test involves something the lab boys call "Repulsion Gel". You're not part of the control group, by the way. You get the gel. Last poor son of a gun got blue paint! Ha ha ha! ...all joking aside, that did happen. Broke every bone in his legs. Tragic, but informative! Or so I'm told. ''[A while later]'' The lab boys just informed me that [[CaptainObvious I should NOT have mentioned the control group]]. They're telling me I ought to stop making these pre-recorded messages. That gave me an idea: Make more pre-recorded messages. [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveMoney I pay the bills here, I can talk about the control group all damn day]]!

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-->'''Cave Johnson''': Alright, let's get started! This first test involves something the lab boys call "Repulsion Gel". You're not part of the control group, by the way. You get the gel. Last poor son of a gun got blue paint! Ha ha ha! ...all joking aside, that did happen. Broke every bone in his legs. Tragic, but informative! Or so I'm told. ''[A while later]'' The lab boys just informed me that [[CaptainObvious I should NOT have mentioned the control group]]. They're telling me I ought to stop making these pre-recorded messages. That gave me an idea: Make more pre-recorded messages. [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveMoney [[ScrewTheRulesIMakeThem I pay the bills here, I can talk about the control group all damn day]]!day!]]
5th Dec '16 5:55:11 AM SarisRevant
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* Joked about by DaraOBriain on ''Series/{{QI}}'' during a discussion of the mythical benefits of playing Mozart to children, where he points out the control group would be hard to find for that experiment.
-->'''Dara''': So you're telling the parents 'we're going to deny your child intellectual stimulation in hopes that they turn out dumb.'
9th Nov '16 12:12:51 PM JBK405
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* In Creator/StephenKing's ''Literature/{{Firestarter}}'' [[MadScientist Dr. Wanless]] tells the students that half of them will be receiving distilled water (and the other half will be receiving a mildly hallucinogenic drug called "Lot 6"), but it's made clear later on that all of the volunteers received "Lot 6" (which induces a wide variety of psychic powers in the subjects, some of which are permanent -- not to mention acting as a mutagen which produces even stronger results in the children of those who receive it). Although there isn't much need to cancel the placebo effect if you don't tell the subjects what are they actually getting...

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* In Creator/StephenKing's ''Literature/{{Firestarter}}'' [[MadScientist Dr. Wanless]] tells the students that half of them will be receiving distilled water (and and the other half will be receiving a mildly hallucinogenic drug called "Lot 6"), 6", but it's made clear later on that all of the volunteers received "Lot 6" (which induces 6". It is implied that he lied because he knew that there was a wide variety 50% mortality rate from the drug and he needed an excuse for why half of psychic powers the participants in the subjects, some of which are permanent -- not to mention acting as a mutagen which produces even stronger results in study were gone the children of those who receive it). Although there isn't much need to cancel the placebo effect if you don't tell the subjects what are they actually getting...next morning.
28th Oct '16 12:43:21 PM Wordpainter
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Scientific experiments are a funny thing. When doing one, you need to have two groups -- the control group and the experimental group. Heck, sometimes there can be ''multiple'' control groups. This is done to make sure that the results of the experiments actually come from the things the scientists are doing, and don't happen on their own due to placebo effect or something in the test environment they weren't aware of.

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Scientific experiments are a funny thing. When doing one, you need to have two groups -- the control group and the experimental group. Heck, sometimes there can be ''multiple'' control groups.groups (it's a common misconception that a control group has no intervention at all, or only a placebo--the control group may be getting a standard treatment, and more than one treatment may be approved). This is done to make sure that the results of the experiments actually come from the things the scientists are doing, and don't happen on their own due to placebo effect or something in the test environment they weren't aware of.
3rd Aug '16 2:30:32 PM margdean56
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* The dirty little secret about the Nazi death camps, one which all Western countries -and Russia - are unwilling to admit to, is that many of the experiments carried out on living people by the Nazis did indeed provide valid scientific knowledge of a sort which would have been impossible to recreate in any country with a normal regard for human rights. The Nazis systematically and ruthlessly tested concepts on living people, adhering rigidly to scientific protocols (including repeatability) and testing against "control groups". Much of their research on behalf of the Luftwaffe and Kreigsmarine involved replicating the effects of extreme temperature and pressure change on human bodies and human endurance. This involved pressure chambers in which the atmospheric effects of either extremely high flight or extremely low depths were tested on living people, with and without experimental flight-suits or diving/submarine apparatus. Nobody wants to admit how Nazi research still keeps our military pilots and submariners able to function[[note]]without Britain, the USA, Russia or even Israel having to do anything ''directly'' morally unsound[[/note]], but this, alas, is the truth.

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* The dirty little secret about the Nazi death camps, one which all Western countries -and Russia - are countries--and Russia--are unwilling to admit to, is that many of the experiments carried out on living people by the Nazis did indeed provide valid scientific knowledge of a sort which would have been impossible to recreate in any country with a normal regard for human rights. The Nazis systematically and ruthlessly tested concepts on living people, adhering rigidly to scientific protocols (including repeatability) and testing against "control groups". Much of their research on behalf of the Luftwaffe and Kreigsmarine involved replicating the effects of extreme temperature and pressure change on human bodies and human endurance. This involved pressure chambers in which the atmospheric effects of either extremely high flight or extremely low depths were tested on living people, with and without experimental flight-suits or diving/submarine apparatus. Nobody wants to admit how Nazi research still keeps our military pilots and submariners able to function[[note]]without Britain, the USA, Russia or even Israel having to do anything ''directly'' morally unsound[[/note]], but this, alas, is the truth.
9th Feb '16 2:30:48 PM Sharlee
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* In the 2012 medical horror film ''The Facility'', there are seven drug-test volunteers. Just ''one'' of them is a designated control subject, presumably because it aids the story if there's somebody audiences can be sure ''isn't'' going insane from the side effects. [[spoiler: Another character is also spared the effects, as he chickened out and only pretended to take the drug.]]
10th Dec '15 11:58:05 AM FF32
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* Averted in TheKidsInTheHall movie ''Film/BrainCandy'', in a hilarious scene with Creator/BrendanFraser as a guy with bad acne who knows he's in the placebo group.

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* Averted in TheKidsInTheHall Series/TheKidsInTheHall movie ''Film/BrainCandy'', in a hilarious scene with Creator/BrendanFraser as a guy with bad acne who knows he's in the placebo group.
5th Nov '15 6:46:15 AM Berrenta
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A real life application of this trope is [[EmergencyTransformation experimental treatments conducted on terminally-ill patients]]: they know that they're dying, they've tried pretty much everything else, so they will willingly sign approval forms and let you start PlayingWithSyringes on the long shot that you ''might'' be able to save them. This is actually fairly rare, as even if the subject lives, the resultant information is of far less value without knowing exactly ''what'' you did that saved them... which is [[CaptainObvious what you learn from the control group.]] (Well, that, and to make sure the 'treatment' didn't actually kill them ''faster''.) The reason it's done at all is that it's considered unethical to deny possibly-lifesaving treatment from a terminally ill patient in order to use them as part of a control group.

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A real life application of this trope is [[EmergencyTransformation experimental treatments conducted on terminally-ill patients]]: they know that they're dying, they've tried pretty much everything else, so they will willingly sign approval forms and let you start PlayingWithSyringes on the long shot that you ''might'' be able to save them. This is actually fairly rare, as even if the subject lives, the resultant information is of far less value without knowing exactly ''what'' you did that saved them... which is [[CaptainObvious what you learn from the control group.]] group. (Well, that, and to make sure the 'treatment' didn't actually kill them ''faster''.) The reason it's done at all is that it's considered unethical to deny possibly-lifesaving treatment from a terminally ill patient in order to use them as part of a control group.
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