History Main / NeverASelfMadeWoman

28th Apr '16 9:17:59 PM Dimas28
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* Similarly, ''Film/TwoThousandTwelve'', made by [[Creator/RolandEmmerich the same director]], has about the same useless females whose purposes are to become the male characters' source of MoralityPet in the impending doom. All of them are either wives, lovers, mothers, or daughters.



* Koei's ''VideoGame/DynastyWarriors'' and ''VideoGame/SamuraiWarriors'' games do this, although it would be hard to entirely avoid as they are set in historical China and Japan, where few women would be able to make names for themselves without being linked to a man. Both of the exceptions come from the highly progressive kingdom of Wei.

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* Koei's ''VideoGame/DynastyWarriors'' and ''VideoGame/SamuraiWarriors'' games do this, although it would be hard to entirely avoid as they are set in historical China and Japan, where few women would be able to make names for themselves without being linked to a man. Both of However, the exceptions come from Japanese series is as a whole better at dismantling this trope than the highly progressive kingdom Chinese, since, though their connections to the men are still prominent, the women at least have plenty of Wei.interactions with others as shown in the game's sidequests and omake (while ''DW'' just flat-out ignores them).



* All the original female characters from ''Franchise/KingdomHearts'', with the sole exception of [[FlatCharacter Olette]], tend to play this one depressingly straight as their roles and relationships in the story are pretty much associated with the vastly outnumbered males.

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* All the original female characters from ''Franchise/KingdomHearts'', with the sole exception exceptions of [[FlatCharacter Olette]], Olette]] and [[WeHardlyKnewYe Kairi's grandmother]], tend to play this one depressingly straight as their roles and relationships in the story are pretty much associated with the vastly outnumbered males.


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* Maria of ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyII'' is not exactly baseless, but she's mostly there because she wants to find her brother, Leon, who went missing when their hometown was destroyed. Sure, she's part of the gang since childhood, but it's kind of uneasy that the only female permanent member of the party (and the first in the entire ''FF'' series, to boot) gets the treatment as a sister of [[spoiler: TheDragon, who has a completely independent agenda]].


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* ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXII'' has this trope present in one character: Penelo, whose sole motivation for joining the party is because of her relationship with Vaan, not helped by the fact that the latter also gets into the plot by [[TagalongKid pure accident]]. Her reason for being able to hold arms is also because [[IHaveBrothers she was trained by her brothers]] (who died several years before the game started). Otherwise, the game helluva averts this with its progressive female characters; even Ashe, whose backstory is a stock fodder for yet another FauxActionGirl (being the daughter of a king, wife of a charismatic prince, backed by a manipulative LaResistance) manages to become her own woman by leading said resistance and ultimately the rebellion ''herself''. The lack of anything resembling a romantic subplot in this game definitely helps things.
12th Apr '16 9:25:08 AM PurpleAlert
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* In ''WesternAnimation/{{Daria}}'', this trope is explored a bit when Daria and Jodie go to get a loan from the bank to fund a business project as part of a class exercise. The loan officer compliments their business plan and their presentation, but tells them that teenage girls as "high-risk" applicants. He asks if Daria's father can co-sign the loan (because she's white, despite Jodie clearly spearheading their project), until the subject of Jodie's father (a local inventor) comes up, at which point he declares that business savvy is in her blood and agrees to the loan. Outraged by the racism and blatant attempt to gain her father's favor, they walk out and try another bank. Jodie mentions her father's name upfront this time and they are offered the loan without incident. Later Daria calls her out, accusing her of falling into this trope intentionally instead of earning the loan themselves. Jodie responds that she just used the tools and connections available to her as best she could. Meanwhile, Helen averts the trope by being a slightly frenzied but seemingly successful high-powered lawyer on her own merit and is presumably supporting the family's finances while Jake's work-life suffers.

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* In ''WesternAnimation/{{Daria}}'', this trope is explored a bit when Daria and Jodie go to get a loan from the bank to fund a business project as part of a class exercise. The loan officer compliments their business plan and their presentation, but tells them that teenage girls as "high-risk" applicants. He asks if Daria's father can co-sign the loan (because she's white, despite Jodie clearly spearheading their project), until the subject of Jodie's father (a local inventor) comes up, at which point he declares that business savvy is in her blood and agrees to the loan. Outraged by the racism and blatant attempt to gain her father's favor, they walk out and try another bank. Jodie mentions her father's name upfront this time and they are offered the loan without incident. Later Daria calls her out, accusing her of falling into this trope intentionally instead of earning the loan themselves. Jodie responds that she just used the tools and connections available to her as best she could. Meanwhile, Helen averts the trope by being a slightly frenzied but seemingly successful high-powered lawyer on her own merit and is presumably supporting the family's finances while Jake's work-life suffers.suffers; at the same time, she struggles with feeling like being so focused on her work means she's a failure as a wife and mother.
23rd Mar '16 8:42:57 AM Tron80
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* Warhammer has comparatively few significant female characters in its background (mostly elves, thanks to their more gender-equal societies), but those it does have tend to avert this trope. Alarielle the Radiant, Everqueen of Ulthuan, inherited her position and power from her mother's line, as did every Everqueen since time immemorial. Such might be expected of her traditionally feminine earth-goddess aspects, but Alarielle's idiosyncratic belligerence and dynamism in protecting her people seems entirely her own too, and not owed to anyone. Morathi the Hag Sorceress was the wife of Aenarion, first and mightiest of the Phoenix Kings, but her magical prowess, political ambitions and the hold she has over her son Malekith are entirely down to her own dark obsessions and abilities. Indeed, Malekith owes much to his mother's influence. Ariel, Queen of the Wood Elves, is arguably more influential and powerful in Wood Elf society than her husband, King Orion. They maintain separate courts, and she in no way owes her power to him - both having been invested with divine kingship by the spirits of the forest at the same time. Moving away from the elves, Tzarina Katarin of the human nation of Kislev may have inherited her position as Tzarina from her father, Boris Ursa, but she is only coincidentally remembered as his daughter, and became a far more competent and clever ruler than he was. The Vampire Queen Neferata was far more influential and self-made than her husband, the fairly ordinary King Lahmizzar, and most of the other vampires in her court owed their condition and position to her, not the other way around.

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* The Warhammer has universes (''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}}'', ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' and ''TabletopGame/WarhammerAgeOfSigmar'') have comparatively few significant female characters in its background (mostly elves, thanks to their more gender-equal societies), but those it does have tend to avert this trope. trope.
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Alarielle the Radiant, Everqueen of Ulthuan, inherited her position and power from her mother's line, as did every Everqueen since time immemorial. Such might be expected of her traditionally feminine earth-goddess aspects, but Alarielle's idiosyncratic belligerence and dynamism in protecting her people seems entirely her own too, and not owed to anyone. anyone.
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Morathi the Hag Sorceress was the wife of Aenarion, first and mightiest of the Phoenix Kings, but her magical prowess, political ambitions and the hold she has over her son Malekith are entirely down to her own dark obsessions and abilities. Indeed, Malekith owes much to his mother's influence. influence.
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Ariel, Queen of the Wood Elves, is arguably more influential and powerful in Wood Elf society than her husband, King Orion. They maintain separate courts, and she in no way owes her power to him - both having been invested with divine kingship by the spirits of the forest at the same time. time.
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Moving away from the elves, Tzarina Katarin of the human nation of Kislev may have inherited her position as Tzarina from her father, Boris Ursa, but she is only coincidentally remembered as his daughter, and became a far more competent and clever ruler than he was. was.
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The Vampire Queen Neferata was far more influential and self-made than her husband, the fairly ordinary King Lahmizzar, and most of the other vampires in her court owed their condition and position to her, not the other way around.
23rd Mar '16 8:22:51 AM Tron80
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* Played with in ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'' with Ritsuko Akagi, who actively resents that her mother Naoko's position at GEHIRN helped her get hers, and despite her attempts to defy GenerationXerox (including [[DyeHard bleaching her hair blond]]) Ritsuko comes to realize over the series that she's standing far more in her mother's shadow than she'd like to acknowledge, to the point of [[spoiler:sleeping with the same man]].
** Yui is an even more interesting case, being an ''inversion'' of the trope. Gendo was her husband and is the head of NERV ''now'', but didn't really start taking his studies seriously until he got involved with Yui. It appears at first that Shinji is involved because he's Gendo's son, but it turns out that him being Yui's son is much more important, since his EVA is also Yui in a way. Rei is a sort of clone of Yui. Fuyutsuki was Yui's mentor; he's kind of only still in it out of loyalty to her. All in all, Yui is definitely the central person in the series, even though she'd been dead for years when it starts. One indication of this, though we don't find it out for quite a while, is that "Ikari" is ''her'' family name; Gendo's family name was Rokubungi, but when they married he took her name rather than the other way around.

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* Played with in ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'' with ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion''
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Ritsuko Akagi, who Akagi actively resents that her mother Naoko's position at GEHIRN helped her get hers, and despite her attempts to defy GenerationXerox (including [[DyeHard bleaching her hair blond]]) Ritsuko comes to realize over the series that she's standing far more in her mother's shadow than she'd like to acknowledge, to the point of [[spoiler:sleeping with the same man]].
** Yui is an even more interesting case, being an ''inversion'' of the trope. Gendo was her husband and is the head of NERV ''now'', but didn't really start taking his studies seriously until he got involved with Yui. It appears at first that Shinji is involved because he's Gendo's son, but it turns out that him being Yui's son is much more important, since his EVA is also Yui in a way. Rei is a sort of clone of Yui. Fuyutsuki was Yui's mentor; he's kind of only still in it out of loyalty to her. All in all, Yui is definitely the central person in the series, even though she'd been dead for years when it starts. One indication of this, though we don't find it out for quite a while, is that "Ikari" is ''her'' family name; Gendo's family name was Rokubungi, but when they married he took her name rather than the other way around.



* In a similar way to the Evangelion example, Oriko's backstory in ''Manga/PuellaMagiOrikoMagica'' plays with this. She's the daughter of a politician, and was extremely popular, but people tended to think of her as Hisaomi Mikuni's daughter first and foremost. When her father was accused of corruption and [[DrivenToSuicide committed suicide]], Oriko was abandoned by her classmates, in large part because they didn't want to associate with someone related to Hisaomi. Despairing and realizing that people merely saw her as an extension of her father, Oriko contracted with Kyubey, making a wish to understand the true meaning of her life.

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* In a similar way to the Evangelion example, Oriko's backstory in ''Manga/PuellaMagiOrikoMagica'' plays with this. She's the daughter of a politician, and was extremely popular, but people tended to think of her as Hisaomi Mikuni's daughter first and foremost. When her father was accused of corruption and [[DrivenToSuicide committed suicide]], Oriko was abandoned by her classmates, in large part because they didn't want to associate with someone related to Hisaomi. Despairing and realizing that people merely saw her as an extension of her father, Oriko contracted with Kyubey, making a wish to understand the true meaning of her life.
23rd Mar '16 8:07:27 AM Tron80
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* Zig-zagged by the ''Series/FireEmblem'' series, due to LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters. Technically, most of the characters owe their position in the army to the usually male main character, because the main character recruited them.
** A minor example in an optional Spotpass part of ''Awakening'', where characters from previous games appear with a handful of lines. The first lines for Ethlyn and Altena have them introduce themselves as the wife and daughter of Quan, while Quan's son Leif does not mention him.

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* Zig-zagged by the ''Series/FireEmblem'' ''Franchise/FireEmblem'' series, due to LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters. Technically, most of the characters owe their position in the army to the usually male main character, because the main character recruited them.
** A minor example in an optional Spotpass part of ''Awakening'', ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'', where characters from previous games appear with a handful of lines. The first lines for Ethlyn and Altena have them introduce themselves as the wife and daughter of Quan, while Quan's son Leif does not mention him.
21st Mar '16 6:48:10 AM Jake
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* In ''Anime/BubblegumCrisis 2032'', Sylia Stingray was able to create the Knight Sabers and fight Genom thanks to the [[PoweredArmor hardsuits]] her scientist father invented.

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* In ''Anime/BubblegumCrisis 2032'', Sylia Stingray was able to create the Knight Sabers and fight Genom thanks to the [[PoweredArmor hardsuits]] her scientist father invented. [[DownplayedTrope On the other hand,]] her father might have built them and her brother Mackie might do most of the repair and maintenance side, but [[WhereDoesHeGetAllThoseWonderfulToys the money to keep them running]] comes from Sylia's ''extremely'' successful day job running an upmarket boutique.
17th Mar '16 1:52:06 PM SteelEdge
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* Zig-zagged by the ''Series/FireEmblem'' series. Generally it's much more common for the women to be related to someone important (and male), whereas there's plenty of wandering sellsword males, but some of the strongest female characters avert this trope.

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* Zig-zagged by the ''Series/FireEmblem'' series. Generally it's much more common for the women series, due to be related to someone important (and male), whereas there's plenty of wandering sellsword males, but some LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters. Technically, most of the strongest female characters avert this trope.owe their position in the army to the usually male main character, because the main character recruited them.
14th Mar '16 2:51:50 PM SteelEdge
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** A minor example in an optional Spotpass part of ''Awakening'', where characters from previous games appear with a handful of lines. The first lines for Ethlyn and Altena have them introduce themselves as the wife and daughter of Quan, while Quan's son Leif does not mention him.
21st Jan '16 1:38:22 AM Griever222
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** It's also arguble if Yunalesca even fully counts as trope. Yes, her fame and influece are partly connected to her being the daughter of Yu Yevon, but it also was she who created the method of defeating Sin(creating the Final Aeon), as well as [[{{Badass}} being the first to defeat Sin]], as well as had a significant role [[PathOfInspiration in creating and spreading of the Yevonite beliefs]]. Argubly, she was as much important in the forming of Yevonite religion as her father, if not even more so seeing Yu Yevon [[spoiler: was basically rendered into a mindless entity behind Sin, his "mind" being now closer to computer program, rather than having a reall conciousness for over a milennia.]]

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** It's also arguble if Yunalesca even fully counts as trope. Yes, her fame and influece are partly connected to her being the daughter of Yu Yevon, but it also was she who created the method of defeating Sin(creating the Final Aeon), as well as [[{{Badass}} being the first to defeat Sin]], as well as had a significant role [[PathOfInspiration in creating and spreading of the Yevonite beliefs]]. Argubly, she was as much important in the forming of Yevonite religion as her father, if not even more so so, seeing Yu Yevon [[spoiler: was basically rendered into a mindless entity behind Sin, his "mind" being now closer to computer program, rather than having a reall conciousness for over a milennia.]]
21st Jan '16 1:36:16 AM Griever222
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** It's also arguble if Yunalesca even fully counts as trope. Yes, her fame and influece are partly connected to her being the daughter of Yu Yevon, but it also was she who created the method of defeating Sin(creating the Final Aeon), as well as [[{{Badass}} being the first to defeat Sin]], as well as had a significant role [[PathOfInspiration in creating and spreading of the Yevonite beliefs]]. Argubly, she was as much important in the forming of Yevonite religion as her father, if not even more so seeing Yu Yevon [[spoiler: was basically rendered into a mindless entity behind Sin, his "mind" being now closer to computer program, rather than having a reall conciousness for over a milennia.]]
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