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12th Jan '17 9:18:54 AM fearlessnikki
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* Played with when it comes to the daughters of WWE legends. Expect commentators to go on and on about this and compare them to their fathers. But they also do the same for the ''sons'' of legends. It remains to be seen if they'll do the same when the child of a female WWE legend steps into the ring.
* Invoked by the Wrestling/BellaTwins, who credit their respective partners - Daniel Bryan for Brie, John Cena for Nikki - for teaching them more about wrestling than they had ever known before. Nikki however refuted this in a 2016 rivalry with {{Wrestling/Carmella}}, assuring the newcomer that she still earned all her achievements in spite of who her boyfriend was.
* A rare GenderFlip came with Tyson Kidd and Natalya. Due to the latter's success with ''Series/TotalDivas'', a storyline was started where he resented everyone comparing him to his wife's success.
* In general if a female wrestler starts a kayfabe relationship with a male, expect the commentators to attribute their subsequent matches to their boyfriends teaching them.
* A lot of WWE fans like to attribute the success of the women's division in the Ruthless Aggression Era entirely to Fit Finlay - who was their trainer. While he always was known for lobbying for the women to get more time for matches and helped many of them tap into their potential - it's often forgotten that the division still contained veterans like {{Wrestling/Ivory}}, {{Wrestling/Jacqueline}}, Wrestling/CarleneMoore and Wrestling/MollyHolly who were more than capable of putting a match together as well.
* In a similar vein, Triple H sometimes gets a lot of the credit for the success of the Four Horsewomen in NXT. While he oversaw the good booking that led to them getting more match times, by all accounts it was the hard work of Wrestling/SashaBanks, Wrestling/BeckyLynch, {{Wrestling/Bayley}} and {{Wrestling/Charlotte}} that even convinced him to do so in the first place.
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* [[http://www.cosmopolitan.com/health-fitness/news/a62634/sexist-moments-2016-rio-olympics/ Noted]] about how numerous commentators attributed the success of female athletes to their male coaches or husbands. Simone Biles likewise defied this trope, saying "I'm not the next Usain Bolt or Michael Phelps; I'm the first Simone Biles!"
5th Jan '17 4:30:28 PM DustSnitch
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* The newest ''VideoGame/{{Tomb Raider|2013}}'' title, a prequel that focuses on Lara Croft before she became the BadAss ActionGirl that was such a staple of gaming culture in the '90s, has Roth reminding her that "she can do it, because she's a Croft". This was {{averted|Trope}} in the earliest games; Lara had actually been ''disowned'' by her family because they found her globe-trotting adventures, which she undertook entirely on her own, an embarrassment. Only later did they add the idea of her father having been an archeologist too. It's averted for her actual combat/acrobatic skills, which are self-taught.

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* The newest ''VideoGame/{{Tomb Raider|2013}}'' title, a prequel that focuses on Lara Croft before she became the BadAss badass ActionGirl that was such a staple of gaming culture in the '90s, has Roth reminding her that "she can do it, because she's a Croft". This was {{averted|Trope}} in the earliest games; Lara had actually been ''disowned'' by her family because they found her globe-trotting adventures, which she undertook entirely on her own, an embarrassment. Only later did they add the idea of her father having been an archeologist too. It's averted for her actual combat/acrobatic skills, which are self-taught.
1st Jan '17 3:21:28 AM Morgenthaler
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There are shades to this. We may have the ActionGirl who has achieved a lot and gone up in society, but whenever her background is brought up, it is always a man in her family (father, uncle, older brother or husband) who is prominent as her predecessor or a key to her success. It will be strongly implied that she would never have gotten into this Business if she hadn't been motivated and trained by her powerful male relatives who [[DungeonmastersGirlfriend are active on the same field]]. In short, a personal, emotional relationship with a mentor is needed, not just a professional one driven by her own independent ambitions. She might have grown into her own {{badass}}ery, but the story will continue to define her as the more important male character's apprentice or heiress.

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There are shades to this. We may have the ActionGirl who has achieved a lot and gone up in society, but whenever her background is brought up, it is always a man in her family (father, uncle, older brother or husband) who is prominent as her predecessor or a key to her success. It will be strongly implied that she would never have gotten into this Business if she hadn't been motivated and trained by her powerful male relatives who [[DungeonmastersGirlfriend are active on the same field]]. In short, a personal, emotional relationship with a mentor is needed, not just a professional one driven by her own independent ambitions. She might have grown into her own {{badass}}ery, badassery, but the story will continue to define her as the more important male character's apprentice or heiress.



* Inverted in ''Manga/{{Jackals}}'' where Alligator Nichol, ''[[TheHero the main character]]'', owes the mastery of his massive two-handed blade to his mother, Roxy the Grim Reaper. Yes. He's total {{Badass}} but he's been trained by a woman. In fact, the whole story seems to make it a point to subvert this trope to hell and back when it comes to female characters. Only the resident DamselInDistress plays the trope straight.

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* Inverted in ''Manga/{{Jackals}}'' where Alligator Nichol, ''[[TheHero the main character]]'', owes the mastery of his massive two-handed blade to his mother, Roxy the Grim Reaper. Yes. He's a total {{Badass}} badass but he's been trained by a woman. In fact, the whole story seems to make it a point to subvert this trope to hell and back when it comes to female characters. Only the resident DamselInDistress plays the trope straight.



** Even Mara Jade, one of the most {{Badass}} {{Action Girl}}s there is, has her entire backstory closely tied to the Emperor. Even after he's dead her only goal in life is to avenge her master. Later she becomes the NumberOne of Tallon Karrde, Luke Skywalker's {{Love Interest|s}}, and the mother of ChildProdigy Ben.

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** Even Mara Jade, one of the most {{Badass}} badass {{Action Girl}}s there is, has her entire backstory closely tied to the Emperor. Even after he's dead her only goal in life is to avenge her master. Later she becomes the NumberOne of Tallon Karrde, Luke Skywalker's {{Love Interest|s}}, and the mother of ChildProdigy Ben.



** Yrel was [[WhatCouldHaveBeen originally conceived]] as the wife of Vindicator Maraad, who died in the main timeline (hence Maraad [[spoiler: sacrificing himself to protect her in the ''Warlords of Draenor'' timeline]]) however this was scrapped due to backlash over this trope. Some argue she still qualifies, as in the finished version she starts out as a [[TheLoad somewhat inept]] ActionSurvivor who only evolves into a true leader and {{badass}} with a good deal of prodding from Velen.

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** Yrel was [[WhatCouldHaveBeen originally conceived]] as the wife of Vindicator Maraad, who died in the main timeline (hence Maraad [[spoiler: sacrificing himself to protect her in the ''Warlords of Draenor'' timeline]]) however this was scrapped due to backlash over this trope. Some argue she still qualifies, as in the finished version she starts out as a [[TheLoad somewhat inept]] ActionSurvivor who only evolves into a true leader and {{badass}} badass with a good deal of prodding from Velen.



* ''VideoGame/{{Rift}}'' mostly averts this, but has one major double subversion in the form of Dacia Ultan, the daughter of a clan of renowned artisans. She first [[BlackSheep broke her poor mother's heart]] by setting out to be an adventurer...then brought her family even more honor by ''[[{{Badass}} kicking more ass than some entire tribes]]''. (It's hinted that the Ultans are now as renowned for their kinship to Dacia as for their crafting skills.)

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* ''VideoGame/{{Rift}}'' mostly averts this, but has one major double subversion in the form of Dacia Ultan, the daughter of a clan of renowned artisans. She first [[BlackSheep broke her poor mother's heart]] by setting out to be an adventurer...then brought her family even more honor by ''[[{{Badass}} kicking ''kicking more ass than some entire tribes]]''.tribes''. (It's hinted that the Ultans are now as renowned for their kinship to Dacia as for their crafting skills.)



** It's also arguble if Yunalesca even fully counts as trope. Yes, her fame and influece are partly connected to her being the daughter of Yu Yevon, but it also was she who created the method of defeating Sin(creating the Final Aeon), as well as [[{{Badass}} being the first to defeat Sin]], as well as had a significant role [[PathOfInspiration in creating and spreading of the Yevonite beliefs]]. Argubly, she was as much important in the forming of Yevonite religion as her father, if not even more so, seeing Yu Yevon [[spoiler: was basically rendered into a mindless entity behind Sin, his "mind" being now closer to computer program, rather than having a reall conciousness for over a milennia.]]

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** It's also arguble if Yunalesca even fully counts as trope. Yes, her fame and influece are partly connected to her being the daughter of Yu Yevon, but it also was she who created the method of defeating Sin(creating the Final Aeon), as well as [[{{Badass}} being the first to defeat Sin]], Sin, as well as had a significant role [[PathOfInspiration in creating and spreading of the Yevonite beliefs]]. Argubly, she was as much important in the forming of Yevonite religion as her father, if not even more so, seeing Yu Yevon [[spoiler: was basically rendered into a mindless entity behind Sin, his "mind" being now closer to computer program, rather than having a reall conciousness for over a milennia.]]
30th Oct '16 2:32:57 PM JaywalkersNeverProsper
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* In ''Series/GoodGirlsRevolt'' there are no women in power at News of the Week, except for Bea who’s the publisher, and she inherited the magazine from her father.
30th Oct '16 11:19:32 AM Anddrix
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* In the 2010 ''Film/AliceInWonderland'', Alice Kingsley doesn't have an identity until she claims herself to be her father's daughter. She then goes on to run her father's company according to his vision instead of accepting a wedding proposal, so while it looks like sister's doin' it for herself, there's still a man to thank for her position.

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* In the 2010 ''Film/AliceInWonderland'', ''Film/AliceInWonderland2010'', Alice Kingsley doesn't have an identity until she claims herself to be her father's daughter. She then goes on to run her father's company according to his vision instead of accepting a wedding proposal, so while it looks like sister's doin' it for herself, there's still a man to thank for her position.
10th Oct '16 5:38:22 PM MeiYouMayo
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* This trope is omnipresent enough that when Tsai Ing-Wen was elected president of Taiwan, media outlets pointed out that not only is she Taiwan's first female president, but the first female head of state in Asia not to come from a political dynastic family.
9th Oct '16 4:03:34 AM erforce
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* Ching Shih, one of the most famous [[PirateGirl female pirates]] (and the basis for Mistress Ching in ''Franchise/PiratesOfTheCaribbean'') only took over the fleet after her husband died and she married their adopted son. That said, both husbands seem to have been under her thumb completely--we know more about ''her'' than them, especially her second husband whom is not really heard from after the marriage. Presumably, he survived the wedding night, but...

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* Ching Shih, one of the most famous [[PirateGirl female pirates]] (and the basis for Mistress Ching in ''Franchise/PiratesOfTheCaribbean'') ''Film/PiratesOfTheCaribbeanAtWorldsEnd'') only took over the fleet after her husband died and she married their adopted son. That said, both husbands seem to have been under her thumb completely--we know more about ''her'' than them, especially her second husband whom is not really heard from after the marriage. Presumably, he survived the wedding night, but...
25th Sep '16 4:15:37 AM Tron80
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* Comicbook/{{Supergirl}}:
** Kara Zor-El. On the one hand, she is one of the mightiest heroes of her universe; on the other, she is cousin of THE greatest hero of her universe, who mentored her and trained her when she arrived on Earth. Most of versions of the character struggle to walk out of the shadow of Superman, but it's hard to shake the "Superman's younger cousin" label off.
** Silver Age Superman trained Supergirl when she was a teenager. However she got CharacterDevelopment, and in TheEighties she was a mature, intelligent, confident and extremely powerful young woman and crimefighter who didn't need her cousin's advice or approval (a fact Superman agreed with). Many creatives and fans kept brushing her off and dismissing her as "Superman with boobs", though.
** Earth-2 Supergirl (Comicbook/PowerGirl) was constantly trying to prove she didn't need her cousin's mentoring anymore, going so far to tell him she ''couldn't'' listen to his well-meaning advice because she needed to follow her own path.
** Post-Crisis Kara got help and training of Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman when she arrived on Earth, but at the beginning she messed up... ''a lot''. After a monumental screw-up, she thought that her cousin was about to lecture her, and she stated that she was finally learning and she didn't need his validation. To her surprise, Clark agreed.
--->'''Supergirl:''' No, listen to me. I have to say: I know you love me, and that's why you feel a need to act like my big brother or my dad — But you're neither one! Maybe I need to learn things the hard way. But I am learning! I want to be a family with you and Uncle Jon and Aunt Martha, but I don't need your... validation! I can get by on my own terms, and I'm doing just fine, and —\\
'''Superman:''' I know.\\
'''Supergirl:''' ... ... What?\\
'''Superman:''' I know you're doing fine. That's what I want to talk about. You made one of your worst mistakes ever with Air Force One, but you bounced back from it and did some real good in Washington. And I don't want you feeling like you're in my shadow.
3rd Sep '16 6:53:45 AM butterflygrrl
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* The modern day girl gamer (and, so far, the only one consistently seen as a ''positive'' stereotype) is ''"that girl who can kick her boyfriend's ass at Halo."'' The "logic" being that [[ThereAreNoGirlsOnTheInternet a girl just has no reason to play]] unless a man coaxes her into the hobby.

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* The One stereotype of the modern day girl gamer (and, so far, the only one consistently seen as a ''positive'' stereotype) is ''"that girl who can kick her boyfriend's ass at Halo."'' The "logic" being that [[ThereAreNoGirlsOnTheInternet a girl just has no reason to play]] unless a man coaxes her into the hobby.
25th Aug '16 10:19:21 PM ASplashingKoi
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However, this troupe actually can go both ways. As no man is allowed NOT to be "self-made" either (Every man's had a WOMAN that "made" him). The odds of a man being totally self-reliant is virtually non-existant, and many cultures view a male as being weak and inferior simply for needing help in something that may not be his experience. A DoubleStandard for both sexes: Woman cant do anything without help, and men cant do anything with help.
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