History Main / NeverASelfMadeWoman

21st Jan '16 1:38:22 AM Griever222
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** It's also arguble if Yunalesca even fully counts as trope. Yes, her fame and influece are partly connected to her being the daughter of Yu Yevon, but it also was she who created the method of defeating Sin(creating the Final Aeon), as well as [[{{Badass}} being the first to defeat Sin]], as well as had a significant role [[PathOfInspiration in creating and spreading of the Yevonite beliefs]]. Argubly, she was as much important in the forming of Yevonite religion as her father, if not even more so seeing Yu Yevon [[spoiler: was basically rendered into a mindless entity behind Sin, his "mind" being now closer to computer program, rather than having a reall conciousness for over a milennia.]]
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** It's also arguble if Yunalesca even fully counts as trope. Yes, her fame and influece are partly connected to her being the daughter of Yu Yevon, but it also was she who created the method of defeating Sin(creating the Final Aeon), as well as [[{{Badass}} being the first to defeat Sin]], as well as had a significant role [[PathOfInspiration in creating and spreading of the Yevonite beliefs]]. Argubly, she was as much important in the forming of Yevonite religion as her father, if not even more so so, seeing Yu Yevon [[spoiler: was basically rendered into a mindless entity behind Sin, his "mind" being now closer to computer program, rather than having a reall conciousness for over a milennia.]]
21st Jan '16 1:36:16 AM Griever222
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** It's also arguble if Yunalesca even fully counts as trope. Yes, her fame and influece are partly connected to her being the daughter of Yu Yevon, but it also was she who created the method of defeating Sin(creating the Final Aeon), as well as [[{{Badass}} being the first to defeat Sin]], as well as had a significant role [[PathOfInspiration in creating and spreading of the Yevonite beliefs]]. Argubly, she was as much important in the forming of Yevonite religion as her father, if not even more so seeing Yu Yevon [[spoiler: was basically rendered into a mindless entity behind Sin, his "mind" being now closer to computer program, rather than having a reall conciousness for over a milennia.]]
17th Jan '16 10:11:05 AM ClarisWorks
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* ''Manga/TheLegendOfMotherSarah'' averts and inverts the trope. The story features a female protagonist whose relevance to the plot has nothing to do with her being the wife/sister/daughter of a male protagonist. In fact, her son Harato, a rebellion leader, is actually relevant to the story because she is in it, not the other way around.
16th Jan '16 7:37:02 AM Griever222
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** Actually partially [[AvertedTrope averted]] with Lulu, as much or even more of a reason for her coldness than the death of Chappu, is from failing as a guardian to protect the life of her first summoner, Lady Ginnem, and Lulu's character development is also in a lrge part triggered by her resolving her problems with Lady Ginnem, and sending her spirit to rest. This trope is also argubly [[InvertedTrope inverted]] with Seymour, who's path [[spoiler:towards villainy]] was all set, or at least increadibly infuenced by his mother and her sacrifice.
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** Actually partially [[AvertedTrope averted]] with Lulu, as much or even more of a reason for her coldness than the death of Chappu, is from failing as a guardian to protect the life of her first summoner, Lady Ginnem, and Lulu's character development is also in a lrge large part triggered by her resolving her problems with Lady Ginnem, and sending her spirit to rest. This trope is also argubly [[InvertedTrope inverted]] with Seymour, who's path [[spoiler:towards villainy]] was all set, or at least increadibly infuenced by his mother and her sacrifice.
14th Dec '15 5:33:41 AM skzip887
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** Any time Dax's former hosts became involved in a story hook, it would inevitably be one of the guys. Curzon's relationship with Sisko and the Klingons is frequently refrenced in the first two seasons--even the epidsode "Dax" is about Jadzia being put on trial for something Curzon supposedly did. Torias gets a reunion with his widow, leading to something of a SweepsWeekLesbianKiss. Joran gets two episodes [[spoiler: the second of which Flanderizes him from a musician with a violent streak into a full-on {{Expy}} of Hannibal Lecter]]. Some of Tobin's skills and history are even refrenced. We don't get to meet any of Dax's female hosts until "Facets", where its revealed [[spoiler: Curzon may have lowered the Dax Symbiot's typically high standards to let Jadzia join because he was in love with her, putting this tripe into full effect.]] Somewhat mitigated in that having a cisgenderd woman casually talk about her memories as a cisgendered man contributes to the whole GenderIsNoObject attitude shown by Trill society.
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** Any time Dax's former hosts became involved in a story hook, it would inevitably be one of the guys. Curzon's relationship with Sisko and the Klingons is frequently refrenced in the first two seasons--even the epidsode "Dax" is about Jadzia being put on trial for something Curzon supposedly did. Torias gets a reunion with his widow, leading to something of a SweepsWeekLesbianKiss. Joran gets two episodes [[spoiler: the second of which Flanderizes him from a musician with a violent streak into a full-on {{Expy}} of Hannibal Lecter]]. Some of Tobin's skills and history are even refrenced. We don't get to meet any of Dax's female hosts until "Facets", where its revealed [[spoiler: Curzon may have lowered the Dax Symbiot's typically high standards to let Jadzia join because he was in love with her, putting this tripe trope into full effect.]] Somewhat mitigated in that having a cisgenderd woman casually talk about her memories as a cisgendered man contributes to the whole GenderIsNoObject attitude shown by Trill society.
10th Dec '15 3:50:19 AM Griever222
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** Actually partially [[AvertedTrope averted]] with Lulu, as much or even more of a reason for her coldness than the death of Chappu, is from failing as a guardian to protect the life of her first summoner, Lady Ginnem, and Lulu's character development is also in a lrge part triggered by her resolving her problems with Lady Ginnem, and sending her spirit to rest. This trope is also argubly [[InvertedTrope inverted]] with Seymour, who's current path was all set by his mother and her sacrifice.
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** Actually partially [[AvertedTrope averted]] with Lulu, as much or even more of a reason for her coldness than the death of Chappu, is from failing as a guardian to protect the life of her first summoner, Lady Ginnem, and Lulu's character development is also in a lrge part triggered by her resolving her problems with Lady Ginnem, and sending her spirit to rest. This trope is also argubly [[InvertedTrope inverted]] with Seymour, who's current path [[spoiler:towards villainy]] was all set set, or at least increadibly infuenced by his mother and her sacrifice.
9th Dec '15 6:38:57 PM Griever222
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** Actually partially [[AvertedTrope averted]] with Lulu, as much or even more of a reason for her coldness than the death of Chappu, is from failing as a guardian to protect the life of her first summoner, Lady Ginnem, and Lulu's character development is also in a lrge part triggered by her resolving her problems with Lady Ginnem, and sending her spirit to rest. This trope is also argubly [[InvertedTrope inverted]] with Seymour, who's current path was all set by his mother and her sacrifice.
4th Dec '15 1:42:08 PM skzip887
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** Any time Dax's former hosts became involved in a story hook, it would inevitably be one of the guys. Curzon's relationship with Sisko and the Klingons is frequently refrenced in the first two seasons--even the epidsode "Dax" is about Jadzia being put on trial for something Curzon supposedly did. Torias gets a reunion with his widow, leading to something of a SweepsWeekLesbianKiss. Joran gets two episodes [[spoiler: the second of which Flanderizes him from a musician with a violent streak into a full-on {{Expy}} of Hannibal Lecter]]. Some of Tobin's skills and history are even refrenced. We don't get to meet any of Dax's female hosts until "Facets", where it's revealed [[spoiler: Curzon may have lowered the Dax Symbiot's typically high standards to let Jadzia join because he was in love with her, putting this tripe into full effect.]] Somewhat mitigated in that having a cisgenderd woman casually talk about her memories as a cisgendered man contributes to the whole GenderIsNoObject attitude shown by Trill society.
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** Any time Dax's former hosts became involved in a story hook, it would inevitably be one of the guys. Curzon's relationship with Sisko and the Klingons is frequently refrenced in the first two seasons--even the epidsode "Dax" is about Jadzia being put on trial for something Curzon supposedly did. Torias gets a reunion with his widow, leading to something of a SweepsWeekLesbianKiss. Joran gets two episodes [[spoiler: the second of which Flanderizes him from a musician with a violent streak into a full-on {{Expy}} of Hannibal Lecter]]. Some of Tobin's skills and history are even refrenced. We don't get to meet any of Dax's female hosts until "Facets", where it's its revealed [[spoiler: Curzon may have lowered the Dax Symbiot's typically high standards to let Jadzia join because he was in love with her, putting this tripe into full effect.]] Somewhat mitigated in that having a cisgenderd woman casually talk about her memories as a cisgendered man contributes to the whole GenderIsNoObject attitude shown by Trill society.
4th Dec '15 1:38:32 PM skzip887
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** Any time Dax's former hosts became involved in a story hook, it would inevitably be one of the guys. Curzon's relationship with Sisko and the Klingons is frequently refrenced in the first two seasons--even the epidsode "Dax" is about Jadzia being put on trial for something Curzon supposedly did. Torias gets a reuniton with his widow, leading to something of a SweepsWeekLesbianKiss. Joran gets two episodes [[spoiler: the second of which Flanderizes him from a musician with a violent streak into a full-on {{Expy}} of Hannibal Lecter]]. Some of Tobin's skills and history are even refrenced. We don't get to meet any of Dax's female hosts until "Facets", where it's revealed [[spoiler: Curzon may have
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** Any time Dax's former hosts became involved in a story hook, it would inevitably be one of the guys. Curzon's relationship with Sisko and the Klingons is frequently refrenced in the first two seasons--even the epidsode "Dax" is about Jadzia being put on trial for something Curzon supposedly did. Torias gets a reuniton reunion with his widow, leading to something of a SweepsWeekLesbianKiss. Joran gets two episodes [[spoiler: the second of which Flanderizes him from a musician with a violent streak into a full-on {{Expy}} of Hannibal Lecter]]. Some of Tobin's skills and history are even refrenced. We don't get to meet any of Dax's female hosts until "Facets", where it's revealed [[spoiler: Curzon may have lowered the Dax Symbiot's typically high standards to let Jadzia join because he was in love with her, putting this tripe into full effect.]] Somewhat mitigated in that having a cisgenderd woman casually talk about her memories as a cisgendered man contributes to the whole GenderIsNoObject attitude shown by Trill society.
4th Dec '15 1:31:33 PM skzip887
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** Any time Dax's former hosts became involved in a story hook, it would inevitably be one of the guys. Curzon's relationship with Sisko and the Klingons is frequently refrenced in the first two seasons--even the epidsode "Dax" is about Jadzia being put on trial for something Curzon supposedly did. Torias gets a reuniton with his widow, leading to something of a SweepsWeekLesbianKiss. Joran gets two episodes [[spoiler: the second of which Flanderizes him from a musician with a violent streak into a full-on {{Expy}} of Hannibal Lecter]]. Some of Tobin's skills and history are even refrenced. We don't get to meet any of Dax's female hosts until "Facets", where it's revealed [[spoiler: Curzon may have
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