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25th Aug '16 10:19:21 PM ASplashingKoi
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However, this troupe actually can go both ways. As no man is allowed NOT to be "self-made" either (Every man's had a WOMAN that "made" him). The odds of a man being totally self-reliant is virtually non-existant, and many cultures view a male as being weak and inferior simply for needing help in something that may not be his experience. A DoubleStandard for both sexes: Woman cant do anything without help, and men cant do anything with help.
21st Aug '16 3:16:46 PM LaughingGiraffe
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* Hillary Clinton. Say what you will about her, but were she not married to a President, her chances of being elected Senator (in a state she never even lived in), nearly winning the Democratic Presidential nomination, and later being appointed to a prominent cabinet post would've been ''at best'' slightly better than Ralph Nader's, and probably not even ''that'' good.
** And then disappointed a lot of supporters of her campaign for presidency through this trope. When asked what her husband's role would be were she elected president, she responded that she was her own woman. This turned off a lot of people who had hoped her presidency would be a back door for Bill Clinton's third term.
*** More than one US state governor used that trick to get around his term limit. The most notorious example is probably George Wallace, who was succeeded after his first term as Governor of Alabama by his wife Lurleen.
*** Arguably as important as a state governor: The mayor of Las Vegas (Oscar Goodman) was a much beloved mayor and when he hit his term limit, the city promptly elected his wife mayor by a landslide.

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* Hillary Clinton. Say what you will about her, but were she not married to a President, her chances of being elected Senator (in a state she never even lived in), nearly winning the Democratic Presidential nomination, and later being appointed to a prominent cabinet post would've been ''at best'' slightly better than Ralph Nader's, and probably not even ''that'' good.
** And then disappointed a lot of supporters of
good. On the other hand, many people in Washington agree that Hillary Clinton herself was instrumental in getting Bill to the top, and might have been biding her campaign time until the public was more ready for presidency through this trope. a woman in power.
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When asked what her husband's role would be were she elected president, she responded that she was her own woman. This turned off a lot of people who had hoped her presidency would be a back door for Bill Clinton's third term.
*** More *More than one US state governor used that trick to get around his term limit. The most notorious example is probably George Wallace, who was succeeded after his first term as Governor of Alabama by his wife Lurleen.
*** ** Arguably as important as a state governor: The mayor of Las Vegas (Oscar Goodman) was a much beloved mayor and when he hit his term limit, the city promptly elected his wife mayor by a landslide.


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* In Canada, Member of Parliament Niki Ashton won her seat at the relatively young age of 26 in 2008 and ran for the leadership of the New Democratic Party in 2011 (although she was unsuccessful). Many of her detractors claimed that she only got that far because her father is Steve Ashton, a former cabinet minister for the Manitoba provincial government.
20th Aug '16 1:03:55 PM TrailblazerZeno
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However, this troupe actually can go both ways. As no man is allowed NOT to be "self-made" either (Every man's had a WOMAN that "made" him). The odds of a man being totally self-reliant is virtually non-existant, and many cultures view a male as being weak and inferior simply for needing help in something that may not be his experience. A DoubleStandard for both sexes: Woman cant do anything without help, and men cant do anything with help.
18th Aug '16 3:25:04 AM Eagal
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* Played straight with Freya but averted with Garnet and Eiko in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyIX''. Freya's motivation stems from her lover Sir Fratley going off to war and never coming back which is also the reason she's never returned to her home. Garnet is essentially the main hero of the story with the other characters getting yanked into the plot based around the decisions she makes. Her main source of motivation is what's happening to her mother. Her father is dead but she doesn't express much angst over that. Eiko also serves as a sort of surrogate sister figure to Garnet. She mentions her dead grandfather a few times and is motivated by a crush on Zidane (that quickly disappears) but her protector Mog is revealed to be female, thus averting the trope. It's arguably inverted with Zidane whose main motivation is based around his attraction to Garnet. But then subverted at the end of Disk 3 for [[HeroicBSOD the poor guy]].

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* Played straight with Freya but averted with Garnet and Eiko in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyIX''. Freya's motivation stems from her lover Sir Fratley going off to war and never coming back which is also the reason she's never returned to her home. Garnet is essentially the main hero of the story with the other characters getting yanked into the plot based around the decisions she makes. Her main source of motivation is what's happening to her mother. Her father is dead but she doesn't express much angst over that. Eiko also serves as a sort of surrogate sister figure to Garnet. She mentions her dead grandfather a few times and is motivated by a crush on Zidane (that quickly disappears) but her protector Mog is revealed to be female, thus averting the trope. It's arguably inverted with Zidane whose main motivation is based around his attraction to Garnet. But then subverted at the end of Disk 3 for [[HeroicBSOD the poor guy]].
15th Aug '16 7:26:00 PM Isaac_Heller
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* This was a problem [[DarkMagicalGirl Charmcaster]] had during ''WesternAnimation/Ben10AlienForce'' and ''WesternAnimation/Ben10UltimateAlien'', as she was constantly working for men (Hex, Zombozo) or motivated by her feelings for men (her father, Michael Morningstar). She is more driven by her own desires in ''WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse'', although she is still sometimes manipulated by certain male characters even then.
15th Aug '16 7:02:51 PM Isaac_Heller
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** Xion is the series' first playable female character, but [[spoiler:everything she is and everything she has, from her weapons to her very existence itself, was stolen from Sora. She's an imperfect clone of him, made as a tool by her all-male superiors. Note however that she could be a subversion as she gets very much aware of it and ends up derailing her creators' plans]].

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** Xion is the series' first playable female character, but [[spoiler:everything she is and everything she has, from her weapons to her very existence itself, was stolen from Sora. She's an imperfect clone of him, made as a tool by her all-male superiors. Note however that she could be a subversion as she gets very much aware of it and ends up derailing her creators' plans]].plans, although not for too long given that one of those creators is a master at XanatosSpeedChess]].
10th Aug '16 10:02:55 AM Isaac_Heller
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** Kairi initially averted it as her status as a Princess of Heart and her backstory living with her grandmother in Radiant Garden had nothing to do with male characters. However, starting from Chain of Memories, the writers started writing her as Sora's girlfriend and nothing more. Although not passive, she has almost no powers of her own, and her main role is to be kidnapped by the male villains and then rescued by the male heroes, Princess Peach style. She does eventually get a Keyblade of her own, but instead of manifesting it like all the boys, she has it literally handed to her, and she uses it for all of one mostly off-screen fight against random mooks. [[spoiler: And even if she is going to be trained to be an ActionGirl by the third game, she still plays this straight as she gains her talents ''only'' because of her new teacher; Yen Sid]].

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** Kairi initially averted it as her status as a Princess of Heart and her backstory living with her grandmother in Radiant Garden had nothing to do with male characters. However, starting from Chain of Memories, the writers started writing her as Sora's girlfriend and nothing more. Although not passive, she has almost no powers of her own, and her main role in the second game is to be kidnapped by the male villains and then rescued by the male heroes, Princess Peach style. heroes She does eventually get a Keyblade of her own, but instead of manifesting it like all the boys, she has it literally handed to her, and she uses it for all of one mostly off-screen fight against random mooks. [[spoiler: And even if she is going to be trained to be an ActionGirl by the third game, she still plays this straight as she gains her talents ''only'' because of her new teacher; Yen Sid]].
4th Aug '16 11:27:22 AM Scorntex
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* ''ComicBook/NewAvengers2015:'' Doctor Toni Ho gets very irate when Sunspot casually mentions she's the daughter of Ho Yinsen, asking whether she just inherited those three doctorates of hers from him.
24th Jul '16 4:45:07 PM Loekman3
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* Despite the writer's "best" attempts to avert this trope Barbara in ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheKillingJoke'' ultimately comes off as this trope played depressingly straight as her personality in that movie comes across as a whiny StalkerWithACrush whose only role in it comes across as a LoveInterest for [[{{Squick}} Batman]] without any semblance of independence or heroism whatsoever.
10th Jun '16 2:24:55 PM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* ''Anime/{{Macross}}'':

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* ''Anime/{{Macross}}'': ''Anime/{{Macross}}'' doesn't have too much of this, but there's still a few examples:
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