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13th Jun '16 8:04:46 AM Shadowgazer
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This is the [[SlidingScaleOfAntiVillains more]] AntiVillain version of the WellIntentionedExtremist or KnightTemplar. They will regularly ShootTheDog and carry out a ZeroApprovalGambit. A Necessarily Evil villain is, by definition, ''aware'' that what he's doing is wrong: otherwise you have a TautologicalTemplar.

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This is the [[SlidingScaleOfAntiVillains more]] AntiVillain version of the WellIntentionedExtremist or KnightTemplar.and very much the opposite of the KnightTemplar who is incapable of seeing himself as being in the wrong. They will regularly ShootTheDog and carry out a ZeroApprovalGambit. A Necessarily Evil villain is, by definition, ''aware'' that what he's doing is wrong: otherwise you have a TautologicalTemplar.
17th May '16 2:27:52 PM Willbyr
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* In the back story of ''{{GUNNM}} Last Order'', this attitude is essentially responsible for the state of the world. [[spoiler:Arthur, the leader of humanity AfterTheEnd establishes a totalitarian dictatorship with the goal of ensuring that the catastrophe that nearly left humanity extinct doesn't happen again, mobilizing all of Earth's remaining resources to achieve spaceflight and colonize the stars.]] He recognizes this as evil, and potentially the wrong decision, and leaves behind a means to end the undying dictatorship he created.

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* In the back story of ''{{GUNNM}} ''Manga/{{GUNNM}} Last Order'', this attitude is essentially responsible for the state of the world. [[spoiler:Arthur, the leader of humanity AfterTheEnd establishes a totalitarian dictatorship with the goal of ensuring that the catastrophe that nearly left humanity extinct doesn't happen again, mobilizing all of Earth's remaining resources to achieve spaceflight and colonize the stars.]] He recognizes this as evil, and potentially the wrong decision, and leaves behind a means to end the undying dictatorship he created.
16th May '16 12:53:30 PM TheNicestGuy
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* Colonel Zarpedon and her Lost Legion, the obvious antagonists for most of ''VideoGame/BorderlandsThePreSequel'', use "[killing] thousands to save millions" as a slogan. They've got a point, too, although they don't try very hard to make anyone understand it.
15th May '16 11:07:56 AM nombretomado
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* {{Magneto}}, who over time has oscillated between hero and villain a few times, is perhaps written most convincingly this way. A classic example occurs in ''Uncanny X-Men'' #275 (written by Creator/ChrisClaremont). Confronting a Russian colonel trying to kill him to avenge the death of his son (who died when Magneto sank a nuclear submarine 125 issues earlier), he admits he considers himself damned as well. And later he insists on killing world-threatening supervillainess Zaladane even though this means that he will now have to part ways with Rogue, with whom he had just started sharing romantic feelings. (See the Quotes sub-page).

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* {{Magneto}}, ComicBook/{{Magneto}}, who over time has oscillated between hero and villain a few times, is perhaps written most convincingly this way. A classic example occurs in ''Uncanny X-Men'' #275 (written by Creator/ChrisClaremont). Confronting a Russian colonel trying to kill him to avenge the death of his son (who died when Magneto sank a nuclear submarine 125 issues earlier), he admits he considers himself damned as well. And later he insists on killing world-threatening supervillainess Zaladane even though this means that he will now have to part ways with Rogue, with whom he had just started sharing romantic feelings. (See the Quotes sub-page).
15th May '16 6:43:08 AM riothegod
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* In western philosophy, the biggest argument (in every sense of the word) is between virtue ethics, which sees necessary evil as primarily ''evil'', and utilitarian ethcis, which sees necessary evil as primarily ''necessary''. Both see the absence of evil as the best possible circumstance, but while virtue ethics tries to achieve it through the [[PowerOfLove Power of Love]], utilitarian ethics considers the [[LesserOfTwoEvils lesser evil]] as justified. But backfires are considered greater failures in utilitarian ethics, precisely ''because'' the end matters more than the means to achieve it. Hence all the [[ValuesDissonance Values Dissonance]]. Enough said.
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14th May '16 12:36:35 AM Doug86
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* ''[[CliffordSimak Skirmish]]'' forces all of humanity into this position by way of InstantAIJustAddWater. Rather than revert to savagery, people must violently quell a RobotRebellion.

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* ''[[CliffordSimak ''[[Creator/CliffordSimak Skirmish]]'' forces all of humanity into this position by way of InstantAIJustAddWater. Rather than revert to savagery, people must violently quell a RobotRebellion.
4th May '16 7:38:58 AM akylae
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[[folder: Real Life]]
* In western philosophy, the biggest argument (in every sense of the word) is between virtue ethics, which sees necessary evil as primarily ''evil'', and utilitarian ethcis, which sees necessary evil as primarily ''necessary''. Both see the absence of evil as the best possible circumstance, but while virtue ethics tries to achieve it through the [[PowerOfLove Power of Love]], utilitarian ethics considers the [[LesserOfTwoEvils lesser evil]] as justified. But backfires are considered greater failures in utilitarian ethics, precisely ''because'' the end matters more than the means to achieve it. Hence all the [[ValuesDissonance Values Dissonance]]. Enough said.
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23rd Apr '16 8:04:09 PM MsChibi
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The polar opposite of the SociopathicHero.

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The polar opposite of the SociopathicHero.
SociopathicHero. See also IDidWhatIHadToDo.
23rd Mar '16 1:45:04 PM Morgenthaler
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* ''{{UFO}}''. Although the nature of the aliens is a mystery, their [[HumanResources harvesting of human organs]] indicates they come from a DyingRace. Commander Straker suggests they view humanity not with malice but with callousness ("much as we view our food animals"). Straker later encounters a man with telepathic powers who is being controlled by the aliens. In the middle of their conversation he suddenly blurts out: "We mean no harm to the peoples of Earth. Why do you attack us? We're fighting for existence... you must understand!"

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* ''{{UFO}}''.''Series/{{UFO}}''. Although the nature of the aliens is a mystery, their [[HumanResources harvesting of human organs]] indicates they come from a DyingRace. Commander Straker suggests they view humanity not with malice but with callousness ("much as we view our food animals"). Straker later encounters a man with telepathic powers who is being controlled by the aliens. In the middle of their conversation he suddenly blurts out: "We mean no harm to the peoples of Earth. Why do you attack us? We're fighting for existence... you must understand!"



* [[spoiler: Allison Taylor]] does this in the final season of ''TwentyFour'' by protecting the true masterminds behind the terrorist attacks earlier in the day and allowing them to go unpunished for the actions ''even after'' learning they were behind it all in a desperate attempt to secure a peace treaty between the United States, Russia, and another country.

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* [[spoiler: Allison Taylor]] does this in the final season of ''TwentyFour'' ''Series/TwentyFour'' by protecting the true masterminds behind the terrorist attacks earlier in the day and allowing them to go unpunished for the actions ''even after'' learning they were behind it all in a desperate attempt to secure a peace treaty between the United States, Russia, and another country.
11th Mar '16 4:56:30 PM Duffan
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* {{Magneto}}, who over time has oscillated between hero and villain a few times, is perhaps written most convincingly this way. A classic example occurs in ''Uncanny X-Men'' #275 (written by Creator/ChrisClaremont). Confronting a Russian colonel trying to kill him to aveng the death of his son (who died when Magneto sank a nuclear submarine 125 issues earlier), he admits he considers himself damned as well. And later he insists on killing world-threatening supervillainess Zaladane even though this means that he will now have to part ways with Rogue, with whom he had just started sharing romantic feelings. (See the Quotes sub-page).

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* {{Magneto}}, who over time has oscillated between hero and villain a few times, is perhaps written most convincingly this way. A classic example occurs in ''Uncanny X-Men'' #275 (written by Creator/ChrisClaremont). Confronting a Russian colonel trying to kill him to aveng avenge the death of his son (who died when Magneto sank a nuclear submarine 125 issues earlier), he admits he considers himself damned as well. And later he insists on killing world-threatening supervillainess Zaladane even though this means that he will now have to part ways with Rogue, with whom he had just started sharing romantic feelings. (See the Quotes sub-page).
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