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12th Aug '16 1:13:53 AM PaulA
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* Emperor Ezar, in LoisMcMasterBujold's book ''[[Literature/VorkosiganSaga Shards of Honor]]'', sets up a massive interplanetary war and gets several thousand people killed, all to [[spoiler: [[OffingTheOffspring assassinate his son]], a deranged sadist, and discredit his cronies, a batch of expansionist warmongers, thus averting the ascension of a madman to the throne and subsequent civil war]].

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* Emperor Ezar, in LoisMcMasterBujold's Creator/LoisMcMasterBujold's book ''[[Literature/VorkosiganSaga Shards of Honor]]'', ''Literature/ShardsOfHonor'', sets up a massive interplanetary war and gets several thousand people killed, all to [[spoiler: [[OffingTheOffspring [[spoiler:[[OffingTheOffspring assassinate his son]], a deranged sadist, and discredit his cronies, a batch of expansionist warmongers, thus averting the ascension of a madman to the throne and subsequent civil war]].
29th Jul '16 1:16:50 PM Nazetrime
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* ''Literature/{{Neogicia}}'': Nox Lucans, the PsychoSidekick to one of the setting's rulers, considers a lot of his actions to be this they are called evil by allies that have been hurt by them.
30th Jun '16 9:22:32 AM Willbyr
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* This is the attitude that the protagonists of ''WeissKreuz'' take toward their work as [[ProfessionalKiller assassins]]. They kill criminals who are above the law in order to help protect the innocence of normal people, while acknowledging that they themselves are also criminals and murderers, and expecting to be punished for it someday. Even their voice actors, one of whom is the creator of the series, do not expect their characters to meet good ends.

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* This is the attitude that the protagonists of ''WeissKreuz'' ''Anime/WeissKreuz'' take toward their work as [[ProfessionalKiller assassins]]. They kill criminals who are above the law in order to help protect the innocence of normal people, while acknowledging that they themselves are also criminals and murderers, and expecting to be punished for it someday. Even their voice actors, one of whom is the creator of the series, do not expect their characters to meet good ends.
25th Jun '16 9:58:01 PM nombretomado
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* [[spoiler:Balthazar]] in ''BaldursGate 2: Throne of Bhaal''. He is one of [[FiveBadBand the Five]], a group of Bhaalspawn convinced by the BigBad to exterminate their siblings, ostensibly in exchange for a chance to serve as the lieutenants of Bhaal, the dead god of murder, when he is resurrected by the deaths of enough of his children. When you confront him it turns out he has other plans - he intends to eliminate the other members of the Five and as many Bhaalspawn he can find, the BigBad (who is the only one who can resurrect Bhaal), and then kill himself, ensuring that Bhaal's chance to return dies with him. The player has no choice but to fight him, and he verbally regrets the player character death as a "necessity."

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* [[spoiler:Balthazar]] in ''BaldursGate 2: Throne of Bhaal''.''VideoGame/BaldursGateIIThroneOfBhaal''. He is one of [[FiveBadBand the Five]], a group of Bhaalspawn convinced by the BigBad to exterminate their siblings, ostensibly in exchange for a chance to serve as the lieutenants of Bhaal, the dead god of murder, when he is resurrected by the deaths of enough of his children. When you confront him it turns out he has other plans - he intends to eliminate the other members of the Five and as many Bhaalspawn he can find, the BigBad (who is the only one who can resurrect Bhaal), and then kill himself, ensuring that Bhaal's chance to return dies with him. The player has no choice but to fight him, and he verbally regrets the player character death as a "necessity."
13th Jun '16 8:04:46 AM Shadowgazer
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This is the [[SlidingScaleOfAntiVillains more]] AntiVillain version of the WellIntentionedExtremist or KnightTemplar. They will regularly ShootTheDog and carry out a ZeroApprovalGambit. A Necessarily Evil villain is, by definition, ''aware'' that what he's doing is wrong: otherwise you have a TautologicalTemplar.

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This is the [[SlidingScaleOfAntiVillains more]] AntiVillain version of the WellIntentionedExtremist or KnightTemplar.and very much the opposite of the KnightTemplar who is incapable of seeing himself as being in the wrong. They will regularly ShootTheDog and carry out a ZeroApprovalGambit. A Necessarily Evil villain is, by definition, ''aware'' that what he's doing is wrong: otherwise you have a TautologicalTemplar.
17th May '16 2:27:52 PM Willbyr
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* In the back story of ''{{GUNNM}} Last Order'', this attitude is essentially responsible for the state of the world. [[spoiler:Arthur, the leader of humanity AfterTheEnd establishes a totalitarian dictatorship with the goal of ensuring that the catastrophe that nearly left humanity extinct doesn't happen again, mobilizing all of Earth's remaining resources to achieve spaceflight and colonize the stars.]] He recognizes this as evil, and potentially the wrong decision, and leaves behind a means to end the undying dictatorship he created.

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* In the back story of ''{{GUNNM}} ''Manga/{{GUNNM}} Last Order'', this attitude is essentially responsible for the state of the world. [[spoiler:Arthur, the leader of humanity AfterTheEnd establishes a totalitarian dictatorship with the goal of ensuring that the catastrophe that nearly left humanity extinct doesn't happen again, mobilizing all of Earth's remaining resources to achieve spaceflight and colonize the stars.]] He recognizes this as evil, and potentially the wrong decision, and leaves behind a means to end the undying dictatorship he created.
16th May '16 12:53:30 PM TheNicestGuy
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* Colonel Zarpedon and her Lost Legion, the obvious antagonists for most of ''VideoGame/BorderlandsThePreSequel'', use "[killing] thousands to save millions" as a slogan. They've got a point, too, although they don't try very hard to make anyone understand it.
15th May '16 11:07:56 AM nombretomado
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* {{Magneto}}, who over time has oscillated between hero and villain a few times, is perhaps written most convincingly this way. A classic example occurs in ''Uncanny X-Men'' #275 (written by Creator/ChrisClaremont). Confronting a Russian colonel trying to kill him to avenge the death of his son (who died when Magneto sank a nuclear submarine 125 issues earlier), he admits he considers himself damned as well. And later he insists on killing world-threatening supervillainess Zaladane even though this means that he will now have to part ways with Rogue, with whom he had just started sharing romantic feelings. (See the Quotes sub-page).

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* {{Magneto}}, ComicBook/{{Magneto}}, who over time has oscillated between hero and villain a few times, is perhaps written most convincingly this way. A classic example occurs in ''Uncanny X-Men'' #275 (written by Creator/ChrisClaremont). Confronting a Russian colonel trying to kill him to avenge the death of his son (who died when Magneto sank a nuclear submarine 125 issues earlier), he admits he considers himself damned as well. And later he insists on killing world-threatening supervillainess Zaladane even though this means that he will now have to part ways with Rogue, with whom he had just started sharing romantic feelings. (See the Quotes sub-page).
15th May '16 6:43:08 AM riothegod
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[[folder: Real Life]]
* In western philosophy, the biggest argument (in every sense of the word) is between virtue ethics, which sees necessary evil as primarily ''evil'', and utilitarian ethcis, which sees necessary evil as primarily ''necessary''. Both see the absence of evil as the best possible circumstance, but while virtue ethics tries to achieve it through the [[PowerOfLove Power of Love]], utilitarian ethics considers the [[LesserOfTwoEvils lesser evil]] as justified. But backfires are considered greater failures in utilitarian ethics, precisely ''because'' the end matters more than the means to achieve it. Hence all the [[ValuesDissonance Values Dissonance]]. Enough said.
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14th May '16 12:36:35 AM Doug86
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* ''[[CliffordSimak Skirmish]]'' forces all of humanity into this position by way of InstantAIJustAddWater. Rather than revert to savagery, people must violently quell a RobotRebellion.

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* ''[[CliffordSimak ''[[Creator/CliffordSimak Skirmish]]'' forces all of humanity into this position by way of InstantAIJustAddWater. Rather than revert to savagery, people must violently quell a RobotRebellion.
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