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22nd Apr '18 6:10:28 PM GainfulPrickle
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* In ''VideoGame/SuikodenII'', Jowy seems at first to be simply a FaceHeelTurn or a RivalTurnedEvil, when he betrays the city of Muse to the Highlands, assassinates the Mayor, and opens the gates to the invaders. It turns out, however, that he only did it because he knew that the only way to stop the monstrous Luca Blight, was from the inside - and so, he sold out Muse in order to gain Luca's trust, so that he could later betray him, bringing about his death at the hands of the hero. However, by the time Luca dies, Jowy has already married Luca's sister, and he thus becomes the ruler of Highland... and thus, he is responsible for the nation, and feels compelled to win the war. At the very end of the game, he is gambling on TheHero killing him, so that he can use his life-force to seal the Beast Rune that Luca unleashed earlier... whether it actually ends that way, however, depends on [[MultipleEndings a few things]]...

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* In ''VideoGame/SuikodenII'', Jowy seems at first to be simply a FaceHeelTurn or a RivalTurnedEvil, when he betrays the city of Muse to the Highlands, assassinates the Mayor, and opens the gates to the invaders. It turns out, however, that he only did it because he knew that the only way to stop the monstrous [[PsychoforHire monstrous]] [[BloodKnight Luca Blight, Blight]], was from the inside - and so, he sold out Muse in order to gain Luca's trust, so that he could later betray him, bringing about his death at the hands of the hero. However, by the time Luca dies, Jowy has already married Luca's sister, and he thus becomes the ruler of Highland... and thus, he is responsible for the nation, and feels compelled to win the war. At the very end of the game, he is gambling on TheHero killing him, so that he can use his life-force to seal the Beast Rune that Luca unleashed earlier... whether it actually ends that way, however, depends on [[MultipleEndings a few things]]...
7th Apr '18 2:27:45 PM gb00393
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': How most people see Varys (i.e he's a dishonorable traitor, but his treachery serves a purpose), and even how he views himself from time to time.

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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': How most people see Varys (i.e e. he's a dishonorable traitor, but his treachery serves a purpose), and even how he views himself from time to time.
7th Apr '18 2:27:20 PM gb00393
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': How most people see Varys (i.e he's a dishonorable traitor, but his treachery serves a purpose), and even how he views himself from time to time.
3rd Apr '18 6:58:46 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''Film/TheMidnightMeatTrain'': Mahogany [[spoiler:and the conspiracy]] isn't butchering people on the subway for the fun of it. [[spoiler:They're necessary human sacrifices to protect the rest of the city from the evil gods that dwell below.]]
23rd Mar '18 2:00:33 PM foxmccloud4387
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* ''Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann'' does this with [[spoiler:every major villain]].

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* ''Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann'' does this with [[spoiler:every [[spoiler:both major villain]].villains. The Anti-Spiral, the main villain of the second arc and the GreaterScopeVillain of the first, oppresses civilizations across the galaxy and prevents them from growing. This is because, if left unchecked, these civilizations will harness Spiral Energy to grow without limit, thus creating a premature heat death of the universe known as the Spiral Nemesis. Lordgenome, the first arc's main villain, used to fight on behalf of humanity's growth, but after he learned about the Spiral Nemesis he aligned himself with the Anti-Spiral, oppressing Earth and forcing humanity underground. Under the Anti-Spiral's rule, if at least a million humans live on Earth then the moon will fall and destroy the planet; Lordgenome uses his Beastman army to stifle the human population, oppressing them to prevent this destruction.]]
9th Mar '18 7:49:32 PM Angeldeb82
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* The Iscariot Organization in ''{{Hellsing}}''. Their BadassCreed is them chanting how they will follow the disciple Judas in following God's {{plan}} through the means of sin and betrayal, and that they will march into hell to do battle with its demons when they die.
* Amber in ''Anime/DarkerThanBlack'' is leading a sort of LaResistance against TheSyndicate, having learned that [[spoiler:they're planning to kill off every single Contractor by destroying the Gate]]. Unfortunately, the only permanent solution for that is to [[spoiler:have BK-201 seal the area around the Gate, which would wipe Japan off the map]]. [[LackOfEmpathy Being a Contractor]], she has no qualms about it, but when presented with [[TakeAThirdOption another option]], is willing to [[spoiler:RetGone [[HeroicSacrifice herself]]]] to make it work.

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* The Iscariot Organization in ''{{Hellsing}}''.''Manga/{{Hellsing}}''. Their BadassCreed is them chanting how they will follow the disciple Judas in following God's {{plan}} through the means of sin and betrayal, and that they will march into hell to do battle with its demons when they die.
* Amber in ''Anime/DarkerThanBlack'' is leading a sort of LaResistance against TheSyndicate, having learned that [[spoiler:they're planning to kill off every single Contractor by destroying the Gate]]. Unfortunately, the only permanent solution for that is to [[spoiler:have BK-201 seal the area around the Gate, which would wipe Japan off the map]]. [[LackOfEmpathy Being a Contractor]], she has no qualms about it, but when presented with [[TakeAThirdOption another option]], is willing to [[spoiler:RetGone [[HeroicSacrifice herself]]]] {{her|oicSacrifice}}self]] to make it work.



* Paul von Oberstein from ''Anime/LegendOfGalacticHeroes'' is a NecessarilyEvil [[TheStrategist strategist]] who seeks to overthrow the DeadlyDecadentCourt of TheEmpire (which he belongs to), at any cost. At one point, he allows two million people to die in an atomic attack he was forewarned about, simply because having it happen would discredit the nobles and help Reinhard take control of the empire. He is fully aware that he must be Reinhard's PoisonousFriend and in many ways plays the 'lightning rod', letting the negative public opinion focus on himself instead of Reinhard.

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* Paul von Oberstein from ''Anime/LegendOfGalacticHeroes'' is a NecessarilyEvil Necessarily Evil [[TheStrategist strategist]] who seeks to overthrow the DeadlyDecadentCourt of TheEmpire (which he belongs to), at any cost. At one point, he allows two million people to die in an atomic attack he was forewarned about, simply because having it happen would discredit the nobles and help Reinhard take control of the empire. He is fully aware that he must be Reinhard's PoisonousFriend and in many ways plays the 'lightning rod', letting the negative public opinion focus on himself instead of Reinhard.



** The military commanders Erwin Smith and Dot Pixis are well aware their actions make them [[GeneralRipper general rippers]] but believe they need to sacrifice that many soldiers for the sake of humanity's survival.
* [[DarthVaderClone Marder]] from ''Anime/PanzerWorldGalient'' gladly wears the "evil overlord" hat, for the sake of [[spoiler:going back to his home planet and use chaos and destruction to wake up his compatriots from their [[FalseUtopia extremely dull, boring and lifeless utopia]].]]

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** The military commanders Erwin Smith and Dot Pixis are well aware their actions make them [[GeneralRipper general rippers]] {{general ripper}}s but believe they need to sacrifice that many soldiers for the sake of humanity's survival.
* [[DarthVaderClone Marder]] from ''Anime/PanzerWorldGalient'' gladly wears the "evil overlord" hat, for the sake of [[spoiler:going back to his home planet and use chaos and destruction to wake up his compatriots from their [[FalseUtopia extremely dull, boring and lifeless utopia]].]] utopia]]]].



* In the ''VideoGame/{{Cuphead}}'' fan comic from Website/DeviantArt, "[[https://fuyuflowga.deviantart.com/gallery/64893285/Cagney-is-a-Carnation Cagney Is a Carnation]]" by [[https://fuyuflowga.deviantart.com/ fuyuflowga]], Cagney Carnation has lost everyone he cared for, and his friends have shunned him for signing his Soul Contract that [[{{Satan}} the Devil]] has offered him in his attempt to save his adopted flower children, and he feels so unloved. When Cagney discovers that the sibling protagonists Cuphead and Mugman are being forced to do the Devil's bidding by taking the Soul Contracts from other inhabitants who have lost but don't want to work for him, the flower makes sure that they won't have to go through the same fate he's been through. Although he wants to hand over his Soul Contract, he can't do it easily for fear that the boys be denounced as the Devil's lackeys, so he instead has to fight them in a battle to the death, [[DeathEqualsRedemption knowing that his death means that he'll be free from servitude to the Devil]]. He even goes so far as to [[ShootTheDog murder]] [[WouldHurtAChild Mugman]] in his effort to spur Cuphead to retaliate and destroy Cagney for the contract. (Both Mugman and Cagney get better after a hard battle.) [[spoiler:In the end, Elder Kettle and Cagney commend the boys for [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu having beaten the Devil]] and destroying the Soul Contracts (the flower moreso commending them for their battle for his contract), then cook up lunch and explain the situation afterwards. In an EarnYourHappyEnding moment, Cagney gets his friends and the flower children back, in which he has finally found love again.]]

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* In the ''VideoGame/{{Cuphead}}'' fan comic from Website/DeviantArt, "[[https://fuyuflowga.deviantart.com/gallery/64893285/Cagney-is-a-Carnation Cagney Is a Carnation]]" by [[https://fuyuflowga.deviantart.com/ fuyuflowga]], Cagney Carnation has lost everyone he cared for, and his friends have shunned him for signing his Soul Contract that [[{{Satan}} the Devil]] has offered him in his attempt to save his adopted flower children, and he feels so unloved. When Cagney discovers that the sibling protagonists Cuphead and Mugman are being forced to do the Devil's bidding by taking the Soul Contracts from other inhabitants who have lost but don't want to work for him, the flower makes sure that they the brothers won't have to go through the same fate he's been through. Although he wants to hand over his Soul Contract, he can't do it easily for fear that the boys will be denounced as the Devil's lackeys, so he instead has to fight them in a battle to the death, [[DeathEqualsRedemption knowing that his death means that he'll be free from servitude to the Devil]]. He even goes so far as to [[ShootTheDog murder]] [[WouldHurtAChild Mugman]] in his effort to spur Cuphead to retaliate and destroy Cagney for the contract. (Both Mugman and Cagney get better after a hard battle.) [[spoiler:In the end, Elder Kettle and Cagney commend the boys for [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu having beaten the Devil]] and destroying the Soul Contracts (the flower moreso commending them for their battle for his contract), then cook up lunch and explain the situation afterwards. In an EarnYourHappyEnding moment, Cagney gets his friends and the flower children back, in which he has finally found love and his will to live again.]]
9th Mar '18 2:51:28 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* Thunderhide in FanFic/EquestriaAHistoryRevealed fully understands that he is walking in the path of evil in [[spoiler: joining Luna in the Equestrian Civil War]], but sees it as necessary [[WellIntentionedExtremist to accomplish his aims of political change]].
** However, he chooses not to [[PragmaticVillainy fully go off the deep end]], treats his occupied cities well, and surrenders once he realizes the war is over. He even presents his point of view in [[spoiler: the Trial at Fillydelphia]], to explain how a pony of his esteemed position would choose to fall so low.

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* Thunderhide in FanFic/EquestriaAHistoryRevealed ''FanFic/EquestriaAHistoryRevealed'' fully understands that he is walking in the path of evil in [[spoiler: joining Luna in the Equestrian Civil War]], but sees it as necessary [[WellIntentionedExtremist to accomplish his aims of political change]].
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9th Mar '18 2:49:26 PM Angeldeb82
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* In the ''VideoGame/{{Cuphead}}'' fan comic from Website/DeviantArt, "[[https://fuyuflowga.deviantart.com/gallery/64893285/Cagney-is-a-Carnation Cagney Is a Carnation]]" by [[https://fuyuflowga.deviantart.com/ fuyuflowga]], Cagney Carnation has lost everyone he cared for, and his friends have shunned him for signing his Soul Contract that [[{{Satan}} the Devil]] has offered him in his attempt to save his adopted flower children, and he feels so unloved. When Cagney discovers that the sibling protagonists Cuphead and Mugman are being forced to do the Devil's bidding by taking the Soul Contracts from other inhabitants who have lost but don't want to work for him, the flower makes sure that they won't have to go through the same fate he's been through. Although he wants to hand over his Soul Contract, he can't do it easily for fear that the boys be denounced as the Devil's lackeys, so he instead has to fight them in a battle to the death, [[DeathEqualsRedemption knowing that his death means that he'll be free from servitude to the Devil]]. He even goes so far as to [[ShootTheDog murder]] [[WouldHurtAChild Mugman]] in his effort to spur Cuphead to retaliate and destroy Cagney for the contract. (Both Mugman and Cagney get better after a hard battle.) [[spoiler:In the end, Elder Kettle and Cagney commend the boys for [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu having beaten the Devil]] and destroying the Soul Contracts (the flower moreso commending them for their battle for his contract), then cook up lunch and explain the situation afterwards. In an EarnYourHappyEnding moment, Cagney gets his friends and the flower children back, in which he has finally found love again.]]
9th Mar '18 12:29:58 PM Angeldeb82
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** Lelouch, TheProtagonist, openly admits that he's doing reprehensible things in pursuit of noble goals (bringing down TheEmpire and making the world a better place for his MoralityPet sister). This is pointed out in an early second season episode where he engages in a short BreakingSpeech to HonorBeforeReason Guilford about the best way to confront an overwhelming evil. [[spoiler:In the end he has himself killed to create world peace; whilst he never explains (to the viewer) exactly why he did it, the implication is that it was [[NoPlaceForMeThere as redemption for the sins he committed]] during the course of the series.]]

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** Lelouch, TheProtagonist, openly admits that he's doing reprehensible things in pursuit of noble goals (bringing down TheEmpire and making the world a better place for his MoralityPet sister). This is pointed out in an early second season episode where he engages in a short BreakingSpeech BreakThemByTalking to HonorBeforeReason Guilford about the best way to confront an overwhelming evil. [[spoiler:In the end he has himself killed to create world peace; whilst he never explains (to the viewer) exactly why he did it, the implication is that it was [[NoPlaceForMeThere as redemption for the sins he committed]] during the course of the series.]]



* Thunderhide in [[FanFic/EquestriaAHistoryRevealed Equestria: A History Revealed]] fully understands that he is walking in the path of evil in [[spoiler: joining Luna in the Equestrian Civil War]], but sees it as necessary [[WellIntentionedExtremist to accomplish his aims of political change.]]

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* Thunderhide in [[FanFic/EquestriaAHistoryRevealed Equestria: A History Revealed]] FanFic/EquestriaAHistoryRevealed fully understands that he is walking in the path of evil in [[spoiler: joining Luna in the Equestrian Civil War]], but sees it as necessary [[WellIntentionedExtremist to accomplish his aims of political change.]]change]].



* Literal example in ''Disney/WreckItRalph''; A video game only works when there's a 'bad guy' to defeat. When Ralph, the 'bad guy' of his game, isn't there, the game is declared out of order.

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* Literal example in ''Disney/WreckItRalph''; A a video game only works when there's a 'bad guy' to defeat. When Ralph, the 'bad guy' of his game, isn't there, the game is declared out of order.
25th Feb '18 10:24:45 PM nombretomado
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* Claudia Wolfe from ''SilentHill3''. She acts cruel and evil to the protagonist and orders the murder of her father...but Heather eventually finds her diary, which is filled with entries about how much she's sorry for having to put Heather through all this, and only feels she must do it to bring the birth of paradise for Heather and everyone... everyone, that is, except Claudia herself. She believes in Hell, by the way. That's right, Claudia believes that she deserves to go to Hell for committing the necessary evil to save everyone ''else'', meaning she absolutely ''embodies'' this Trope. Heather stops whatever the result would have been, but Claudia's intentions are definitely {{well intentioned|Extremist}} and [[NecessaryEvil self aware]].

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* Claudia Wolfe from ''SilentHill3''.''VideoGame/SilentHill3''. She acts cruel and evil to the protagonist and orders the murder of her father...but Heather eventually finds her diary, which is filled with entries about how much she's sorry for having to put Heather through all this, and only feels she must do it to bring the birth of paradise for Heather and everyone... everyone, that is, except Claudia herself. She believes in Hell, by the way. That's right, Claudia believes that she deserves to go to Hell for committing the necessary evil to save everyone ''else'', meaning she absolutely ''embodies'' this Trope. Heather stops whatever the result would have been, but Claudia's intentions are definitely {{well intentioned|Extremist}} and [[NecessaryEvil self aware]].
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