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** One of the most infuriating nerfs in the game, however, is probably Captain Falcon. He was a great character in the first two games, with good power, great combos, and good speed. Now, he has poor priority, atrocious lag, and is virtually unplayable when pit against the likes of such hideously broken characters like [[GameBreaker Meta Knight]].
*** It mostly has to do with the physics. While most of his own moves have been changed quite a bit, most of the nerfing comes from the physics engine, which generally makes combos less effective regardless of the stats of individual stats. 
** Pikachu, Kirby, and Ness were ridiculously strong in the original game on the Nintendo 64, and were nerfed into oblivion in ''Melee''. Fox, Sheik, Captain Falcon, Jigglypuff, Falco, Marth, and Peach were among ''Melee'''s best characters, and they've all been drastically toned down for ''Brawl''.
** Jigglypuff's Rest is a victim of this effect, being one of the strongest finishing moves in ''Smash Bros. 64'' and ''Melee'', and pretty much taken out back and shot in the head in ''Brawl''. 
* Many ''Franchise/{{Halo}}'' fans consider the changes from the pistol in ''Halo'' (which, having a scope, makes an adequate long-range weapon) to the Magnum in ''Halo 2'' (which, having no scope, doesn't) a Nerfing of the original weapon.
** Bungie then took things one step further in the first ''Halo 2'' autoupdate: the Magnum went from a decent secondary weapon in a pinch (about seven shots to kill, or three headshots) to a laughable humiliation weapon (fourteen shots, or one full clip and then two more rounds, to kill). Needless to say, the community was quite upset.
*** Describing the pre-update Magnum as a "decent secondary weapon" doesn't do it justice. Its massively increased rate of fire from ''Halo 1'' and the ability to dual-wield it made it a GameBreaker if you were any bit competent at getting headshots. Before the update people would turn down shotguns and other "power" weapons for the chance to dual-wield a Magnum and a simple SMG.
** They also weakened the needler somewhat in Halo 2, decreasing its homing capacity and making it a close-range weapon.
*** That was because it was dual-wieldable (but even two of them were more or less useless). From Halo 1 to Halo 2, pretty much any weapon that was given the ability to be dual-weld experienced a Nerf (the handguns, needler, and plasma rifle). The needler has since been buffed in ''Halo 3'' and ''Halo: Reach'' (returning to a single-wield weapon but having its projectile damage and speed increased); the only thing that hasn't been improved overall from its first incarnation is the size of the combination explosion.
**** Duel-wield needlers were far from useless, due to the fast firing rate and the way their reload worked. They reloaded quickly and duel-wielding them didn't slow the reload down at all, which combined with the fast firing rate allowed players to [[MoreDakka spam needles]] endlessly with duel-wielded needlers. While it was true that they weren't terribly accurate, at close-range, you could easily make enemies explode due to the sheer volume of needles you were firing at them. The change in Halo 3 prevented needle-spamming, so the power and homing was increased to balance it.
** The plasma pistol went through a similar (but more obvious) nerfing in Halo 3, mostly due to how effective it was when combined with an armor-piercing weapon like the SMG or Battle Rifle (or even the aforementioned Magnum). You would charge up the plasma pistol while walking around, then launch it to strip the opponent of their shields, then follow up with the other weapon for a quick kill, leading to these tactics being called the [[GameBreaker "n00b combo"]]. It's still possible to do this in Halo 3, but charging the plasma pistol for too long drains its energy, so you have to wait until you're right on top of someone before you can use the combo, or else you'll run out of ammo very quickly. It also doesn't home in on the nearest target anymore, so unless you get a perfect hit, your opponent will definitely kill you before you get a second chance.
*** From a pure damage standpoint the PP got a huge nerf after the first game, in which it was about as effective as the Assault Rifle against health and infinitely more accurate. The damage in ''2'' and ''3'' was such that you'd be hard-pressed to get a kill on a fully-shielded enemy without overheating the gun. It seems to have finally been improved again in ''Reach'', though - although the max fire rate is still nowhere near the first game.

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** Another change to the game "fixed an issue" where Beastmaster pets would be able to benefit from a Dancer's Samba effects. The players, oddly enough, were unanimously [[UnpleasableFanbase not amused]]. The actual problem people had with this is simply because the Samba effect would, at best, heal a monster pet's HP by maybe a couple hundred or so at the highest levels... out of ''thousands''. True, it was a glitch, but the players had no problem with it.
** The ranger class was ridiculously overpowered to the point where even the most pathetic ranger could out damage the best equipped of another offensive class. All bosses and big monsters essentially only used rangers for their damage since they were by far the best damage for any situation. They got nerfed with, of course, much whining from players who now say that rangers were now one of the weakest damage dealing classes even though they still remain one of the most expensive and one of the biggest hate magnets (due the fact that even though they do weaker damage overall, they do a lot of spike damage). There is, arguably, much truth to these complaints.
** The aforementioned controversially large buff proceeded like this: two-handed weapon users experienced an upgrade followed by a downgrade (though overall it was still an upgrade). The upgrade was supposed to bring two-handed weapon users on par with one-handed weapon users, who had a significant advantage in offense due the fact that most of them capitalized on dual-wielding via the Ninja subjob and the fact that missing with a one-handed weapon meant less time, damage, and TP lost than missing with a two-handed weapon. The upgrade not only increased the damage and accuracy of two-handed users, but increased them to the point that accuracy gear (usually coveted in FFXI) was unneeded and the defenses of enemies mattered little. Even a poorly equipped two-hander could still beat a better-equipped one-hander, much as was once the case with the Ranger. Two-handed weapons that were supposed to be balanced by low damage output became ridiculously overpowered. The most overpowered class that came out of this was the Samurai, which was the only two-handed job that was balanced before the update and has one of the most famous offensive-tradeoff weapons. The Dragoon class also benefited greatly since they can heal themselves and popular enemies were already weak to their weapon type. This caused a big surge of "Samurai parties" and "Dragoon parties". This upgrade was nerfed, though there wasn't much complaint since they were still given a significant upgrade. The Samurai is still ahead.

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** The ranger class was ridiculously overpowered to the point where even the most pathetic ranger could out damage the best equipped of another offensive class. All bosses and big monsters essentially only used rangers for their damage since they were by far the best damage for any situation. They got nerfed with, of course, much whining from players who now say that rangers were now one of the weakest damage dealing classes even though they still remain one of the most expensive and one of the biggest hate magnets (due the fact that even though they do weaker damage overall, they do a lot of spike damage).
** The aforementioned controversially large buff proceeded like this: two-handed weapon users experienced an upgrade followed by a downgrade (though overall it was still an upgrade). The upgrade was supposed to bring two-handed weapon users on par with one-handed weapon users, who had a significant advantage in offense due the fact that most of them capitalized on dual-wielding via the Ninja subjob and the fact that missing with a one-handed weapon meant less time, damage, and TP lost than missing with a two-handed weapon. The upgrade not only increased the damage and accuracy of two-handed users, but increased them to the point that accuracy gear (usually coveted in FFXI) was unneeded and the defenses of enemies mattered little. Even a poorly equipped two-hander could still beat a better-equipped one-hander, much as was once the case with the Ranger. Two-handed weapons that were supposed to be balanced by low damage output became ridiculously overpowered. The most overpowered class that came out of this was the Samurai, which was the only two-handed job that was balanced before the update and has one of the most famous offensive-tradeoff weapons. The Dragoon class also benefited greatly since they can heal themselves and popular enemies were already weak to their weapon type. This caused a big surge of "Samurai parties" and "Dragoon parties". This upgrade was nerfed, though the Samurai is still ahead.

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* In ''[[DarkForcesSaga Star Wars: Dark Forces]]'' the Imperial Repeater Rifle is arguably the game's best weapon, shooting very accurate blasts machine-gun style and pushing enemies back farther than any other weapon. Did we mention you can fire three barrels at once? The only drawback is you'll get so addicted to it you'll wonder where the heck your ammo went. The version seen in ''Jedi Outcast'', though, is utterly useless: accuracy is lost, and the shots it fires are much, much weaker than they once were. The secondary trigger fires stronger blasts from a sort of underslung grenade launcher, but they're nigh impossible to aim. It even changed the Repeater from an EnergyWeapon to a slugthrower (projectile weapon).
** In addition, ''Dark Forces''' Concussion Rifle was so powerful it was almost ''too'' strong--so powerful you could hurt yourself if you weren't careful. It was powered down for ''Jedi Knight'', unable to trigger its concussion effect on multiple spread-out enemies, being more like an instant-hit rocket launcher but was still powerful enough to be useful--it even gained a secondary fire that used less energy, was more accurate, and targeted only a single enemy. It was one of a few weapons that couldn't be blocked by a lightsaber, though it could be Force pulled. About the only way this could be called a nerf is if the ''Dark Forces'' version wasn't broken. The gun was taken out of ''Jedi Outcast'' entirely. ''Jedi Academy'' brought it back, and while it still did hideous amounts of damage, the gun was very nearly nerfed. Rather than being instantaneous damage, it fired a projectile that, like rockets, could be Force pushed away--but it was much, much quicker, requiring split-second timing. Unless, of course, you try to use it on a [[TheComputerIsACheatingBastard computer Jedi]]... i.e., Welcome to Nerftown, population: Concussion Rifle.

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* In ''[[DarkForcesSaga Star Wars: Dark Forces]]'' the Imperial Repeater Rifle could shoot very accurate blasts machine-gun style and pushing enemies back farther than any other weapon. Did we mention you can fire three barrels at once? The only drawback is you'll get so addicted to it you'll wonder where the heck your ammo went. The version seen in ''Jedi Outcast'', though, has less accuracy, and the shots it fires are much, much weaker than they once were. The secondary trigger fires stronger blasts from a sort of underslung grenade launcher, but they're nigh impossible to aim. It even changed the Repeater from an EnergyWeapon to a slugthrower (projectile weapon).
** In addition, ''Dark Forces''' Concussion Rifle was so powerful it was almost ''too'' strong--so powerful you could hurt yourself if you weren't careful. It was powered down for ''Jedi Knight'', unable to trigger its concussion effect on multiple spread-out enemies, being more like an instant-hit rocket launcher but was still powerful enough to be useful--it even gained a secondary fire that used less energy, was more accurate, and targeted only a single enemy. It was one of a few weapons that couldn't be blocked by a lightsaber, though it could be Force pulled. About the only way this could be called a nerf is if the ''Dark Forces'' version wasn't broken. The gun was taken out of ''Jedi Outcast'' entirely. ''Jedi Academy'' brought it back, and while it still did hideous amounts of damage, the gun was very nearly nerfed. Rather than being instantaneous damage, it fired a projectile that, like rockets, could be Force pushed away--but it was much, much quicker, requiring split-second timing. Unless, of course, you try to use it on a [[TheComputerIsACheatingBastard computer Jedi]]...

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