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30th Oct '17 8:56:18 PM Gamermaster
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* [[KiManipulation Ripple/Hamon]] in ''Manga/JojosBizarreAdventure'' is based on channeling one's own life functions (specifically, respiration and flowing blood) and often described as the ThePowerOfTheSun. This is why it's so effective against [[OurVampiresAreDifferent vampires]], who gain strength by ''draining'' life from others and are killed by the sun. When [[spoiler:Straits]] became a vampire then channeled Ripple energy, it destroyed his body completely--[[BetterToDieThanBeKilled which was his intention]]. [[spoiler:Once Cars [[RemovedAchillesHeel removes his weakness to sunlight]], he's able to use Ripple without harming himself.]]

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* [[KiManipulation Ripple/Hamon]] in ''Manga/JojosBizarreAdventure'' ''Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure'' is based on channeling one's own life functions (specifically, respiration and flowing blood) and often described as the ThePowerOfTheSun. This is why it's so effective against [[OurVampiresAreDifferent vampires]], who gain strength by ''draining'' life from others and are killed by the sun. When [[spoiler:Straits]] became a vampire then channeled Ripple energy, it destroyed his body completely--[[BetterToDieThanBeKilled which was his intention]]. [[spoiler:Once Cars [[RemovedAchillesHeel removes his weakness to sunlight]], he's able to use Ripple without harming himself.]]
19th Oct '17 3:26:30 AM GentlemensDame883
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* ''TabletopGame/MageTheAwakening'' downplays this with Inferior Arcana. A Mage can still use the Inferior Arcanum of her Path, but suffers penalties for doing so.

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* ''TabletopGame/MageTheAwakening'' downplays this with Inferior Arcana. A Mage can still use the Inferior Arcanum of her Path, but suffers penalties for doing so.so and cannot learn beyond the second dot without the aid of a Mage for whom that path is not Inferior.
7th Oct '17 11:09:02 AM Nazetrime
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* ''Webcomic/StandStillStaySilent'': According to WordOfGod, the Norse gods won't choose Finns as mages and Finnish blood is required to have a chance to be a Finnish mage, which means people can't be both.
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29th Aug '17 3:53:14 PM Demotivator
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** Esper powers rely on creating a "personal reality" and imposing it on the world, while magic relies on inviting concepts with heavy memetic weight (such as deities and popular stories) into the user's body to gain their power. Once a person has been trained as an esper, even if he has no real powers, he cannot use magic without disrupting his personal reality and causing massive hemorrhaging. One esper in the series is able to use magic anyway because his esper ability happens to be a mild HealingFactor, and another manages to pull it off by focusing all his esper abilities on holding his body together. Magic is said to have been created for people who couldn't use esper powers, back when they appeared only by chance.

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** Esper powers rely on creating a "personal reality" and imposing it on the world, while magic relies on inviting concepts with heavy memetic weight (such as deities and popular stories) into the user's body to gain their power. Once a person has been trained as an esper, even if he has they have no real powers, he they cannot use magic without disrupting his their personal reality and causing massive hemorrhaging. One esper in the series is able to use magic anyway because his esper ability happens to be a mild HealingFactor, and another manages to pull it off by focusing all his esper abilities on holding his body together. Magic is said to have been created for people who couldn't use esper powers, back when they appeared only by chance.



** And then there are the more specialized forms of bending (metal for earthbenders, lighting for firebenders, blood for waterbenders,flight and spiritual projection for airbenders), which seem to be exclusive to the regular benders, with the Avatar [[JackOfAllStats never displaying such powers]]. Though Aang does learn Lightning Redirect. Korra later learns Metalbending.

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** And then there are the more specialized forms of bending (metal (metal/lava for earthbenders, lighting lightning for firebenders, blood for waterbenders,flight waterbenders, flight and spiritual projection for airbenders), which seem to be exclusive to the regular benders, with the Avatar [[JackOfAllStats never displaying such powers]]. Though Aang does learn Lightning Redirect. Korra later learns Metalbending.
19th Aug '17 12:11:38 PM LavonPapillon1
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* In ''Fanfic/MasterPotterOfKamarTaj'', there seems to be a distinctive difference between "wizardry" and "sorcery." Sorcery is practiced by the Masters of the Mystic Arts, is Eastern in origin, can be practiced by anyone, is very combat-focused and meshes well with modern technology. In contrast, wizardry is practiced by magical communities all over Europe, is Western in origin, can only be practiced by those with a natural affinity for magic (and even then they usually need a wand to perform spells), is much more mundane and archaic and in fact ''hampers'' muggle technology.
12th Aug '17 12:43:55 PM FactoidCow
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* Magicians in ''Literature/ThePaperMagician'' must bond with a single specific manmade material (paper, metal, glass, etc.) and then channel all their magic through that material. A magician who has bonded with one material cannot work with any other.
28th Jul '17 12:21:16 PM xcountryguy
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* In ''FanFic/TheDeathGodAlliance'', Egyptian magic and Greek magic are described as radio frequences unable of synchronization. An Egyptian god trying to take a Greek demigod as host will only manage to fry their brain, and the best result was Cassandra becoming a MadOracle after taking a minor goddess into herself while she already was the Oracle of Delphi. [[spoiler: Until Anubis accidentally fuses his divine essence with Nico's soul.]]

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* In ''FanFic/TheDeathGodAlliance'', Egyptian magic and Greek magic are described as radio frequences unable of synchronization. An Egyptian god trying to take a Greek demigod as host will only manage to fry their brain, and the best result was Cassandra becoming a MadOracle after taking a minor goddess into herself while she already was the Oracle of Delphi. [[spoiler: Until [[spoiler:Until Anubis accidentally fuses his divine essence with Nico's soul.]]



** This is actually played quite interestingly in-universe; Feruchemical powers are native to the Terris people, and Allomancy is native to the Imperial nobility. [[EvilOverlord The Lord Ruler]] went to great lengths to ''keep'' these groups from intermingling so that the magic ''stayed'' mutually exclusive [[spoiler: because he was a full Twinborn- in other words, he had ''all'' Allomantic ''and'' Feruchemical powers and didn't want to risk someone else like him arising]]. Later on, in ''Literature/TheAlloyOfLaw'', bloodlines from the world's various racial and political groups has started getting a lot more intermingled, so Twinborn who have one Allomantic and Feruchemical power each are rare, Compounders who use the same metal for Allomancy and Feruchemy are rarer still, and Mistborn (Allomancers who can use every metal) are basically extinct.

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** This is actually played quite interestingly in-universe; Feruchemical powers are native to the Terris people, and Allomancy is native to the Imperial nobility. [[EvilOverlord The Lord Ruler]] went to great lengths to ''keep'' these groups from intermingling so that the magic ''stayed'' mutually exclusive [[spoiler: because [[spoiler:because he was a full Twinborn- in other words, he had ''all'' Allomantic ''and'' Feruchemical powers and didn't want to risk someone else like him arising]]. Later on, in ''Literature/TheAlloyOfLaw'', bloodlines from the world's various racial and political groups has started getting a lot more intermingled, so Twinborn who have one Allomantic and Feruchemical power each are rare, Compounders who use the same metal for Allomancy and Feruchemy are rarer still, and Mistborn (Allomancers who can use every metal) are basically extinct.
22nd Jul '17 8:25:29 AM GentlemensDame883
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* ''TabletopGame/MageTheAwakening'' downplays this with Inferior Arcana. A Mage can still use the Inferior Arcanum of her Path, but suffers penalties for doing so.
21st Jul '17 7:56:46 AM CosmicFerret
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* Averted in some ''Franchise/DragonQuest'' games where the JobSystem lets you keep magic learned in one job when switching, allowing for some stupidly powerful parties (imagine four examples of TheBerserker fully healing himself whenever he feels like it). Eventually enforced in ''VII'' when it got a remake, as the PrestigeClass spells were made mutually exclusive in order to avoid A) the "stupidly powerful" issue and B) [[ComplacentGamingSyndrome having the entire party play the exact same way]] (the less-game-breaking basic class spells were allowed to continue carrying over).

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* Averted in some ''Franchise/DragonQuest'' ''VideoGame/DragonQuest'' games where the JobSystem lets you keep magic learned in one job when switching, allowing for some stupidly powerful parties (imagine four examples of TheBerserker fully healing himself whenever he feels like it). Eventually enforced in ''VII'' when it got a remake, as the PrestigeClass spells were made mutually exclusive in order to avoid A) the "stupidly powerful" issue and B) [[ComplacentGamingSyndrome having the entire party play the exact same way]] (the less-game-breaking basic class spells were allowed to continue carrying over).
18th Jul '17 9:47:50 AM Gaby007
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* Trying to mix Geass and Stands in ''Fanfic/LulusBizarreRebellion'' is lethal. [[spoiler:usually]].

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* Trying to mix Geass and Stands in ''Fanfic/LulusBizarreRebellion'' is lethal. [[spoiler:usually]].[[spoiler:Usually]].
* In ''FanFic/TheDeathGodAlliance'', Egyptian magic and Greek magic are described as radio frequences unable of synchronization. An Egyptian god trying to take a Greek demigod as host will only manage to fry their brain, and the best result was Cassandra becoming a MadOracle after taking a minor goddess into herself while she already was the Oracle of Delphi. [[spoiler: Until Anubis accidentally fuses his divine essence with Nico's soul.]]
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