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13th Oct '17 5:55:36 AM EDP
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* The Salgari novel ''Le Meraviglie del Duemila'' is set on an Earth where ''every country'' has access to what basically amounted to nukes (it was written in 1907, so Salgari couldn't know about the concept), and, as it's a chemical explosive, ''every single country could potentially destroy the world'', or at least wipe off the map their enemy. Quite sensibly, all countries went to the diplomatic table and resolved peacefully territorial and diplomatic disputes and other treaties to make sure nobody would go to war. And given everyone knows there is the will to use it (as it's actually used, when one of the offshore jails for the criminally violent madmen is taken over by the inmates), it works.

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* The Salgari novel ''Le Meraviglie del Duemila'' is set on an Earth where ''every country'' has access to what basically amounted to nukes (it was written in 1907, so Salgari couldn't know about the concept), and, as it's a chemical explosive, ''every single country could potentially destroy the world'', or at least wipe off the map their enemy. Quite sensibly, all countries went to the diplomatic table and resolved peacefully territorial and diplomatic disputes and other treaties to make sure nobody would go to war. And given everyone knows there is the will to use it, as it (as it's actually used, when one ''actually happens on page'',[[note]]one of the offshore jails prisons for the criminally violent madmen is was taken over by the inmates), inmates. The protagonists, who are originally from year 1900, barely escape and are rescued by an airship that then proceeds to bomb the jail, disintegrating it. That's when they realize ''why'' those jails are built offshore[[/note]] it works.



** The Doomsday Machine was speculated to have been intended as the ultimate deterrent, "a weapon built primarily as a bluff. It's never meant to be used. So strong, it could destroy both sides in a war." But then someone actually used it. However, many ExpandedUniverse materials suggest that it was actually built as a weapon against the Borg.

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** The Doomsday Machine was speculated to have been intended as the ultimate deterrent, "a weapon built primarily as a bluff. It's never meant to be used. So strong, it could destroy both sides in a war." war". But then someone actually used it. However, many ExpandedUniverse materials suggest that it was actually built as a weapon against the Borg.
9th Oct '17 5:35:53 PM Sammettik
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* In {{FanFic/MANE}}, an uneasy standoff had held between Equestria and the USR for a decade because both sides had enough nuclear weapons to destroy each other utterly. The title is also a pun on this trope: M.A.N.E stands for 'Mutually Assured Nuclear Extinction.'

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* In {{FanFic/MANE}}, ''{{FanFic/MANE}}'', an uneasy standoff had held between Equestria and the USR for a decade because both sides had enough nuclear weapons to destroy each other utterly. The title is also a pun on this trope: M.A.N.E stands for 'Mutually Assured Nuclear Extinction.'



* VideoGame/{{DEFCON}} is essentially a Mutually-Assured Destruction Simulator, directly inspired by the ''War Games'' example above.
* MAD: Global Thermonuclear Warfare, a little-known game by the ''Creator/SmallRockets'' (a now-defunct department of ''Creator/CriterionGames'') that predates the above-mentioned VideoGame/{{DEFCON}} is ''ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin''.

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* VideoGame/{{DEFCON}} ''VideoGame/{{DEFCON}}'' is essentially a Mutually-Assured Destruction Simulator, directly inspired by the ''War Games'' example above.
* MAD: ''MAD: Global Thermonuclear Warfare, Warfare'', a little-known game by the ''Creator/SmallRockets'' (a now-defunct department of ''Creator/CriterionGames'') that predates the above-mentioned VideoGame/{{DEFCON}} ''VideoGame/{{DEFCON}}'' is ''ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin''.



* The backstory of VideoGame/{{Wasteland}} has nuclear exchanges devastating the planet because of this trope.

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* The backstory of VideoGame/{{Wasteland}} ''VideoGame/{{Wasteland}}'' has nuclear exchanges devastating the planet because of this trope.



* The Franchise/{{Fallout}} series of games (which are spiritual successors of the above-mentioned ''Wasteland'' games) are based in the post-apocalyptic world created by the mutual destruction of a nuclear war between China and the United States.
* Various Franchise/{{Civilization}} games invoke this. Using one nuclear weapon in Civilization will get those who are not at war with you to declare war. Earlier games would also take the AI's nuclear arsenal vs. the players into account when making one sided deals. Civ 6 ramped it up by making Nukes a bit more life like by making radiation last for decades of in game time and lethal to any units in the area (previous games had radiation represented by pollution which would destroy only productivity of the affected tile until a worker could clear it and rebuild the damaged improvement). The mechanics also allowed the attacked player to keep his entire arsenal in play, provided he built a Nuclear Trifecta, thus allowing him to attack the player who used weapons on him some time later. Between the universal lethality and the destruction, both empires would be quickly reduced in capacity in the end game.

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* The Franchise/{{Fallout}} ''Franchise/{{Fallout}}'' series of games (which are spiritual successors of the above-mentioned ''Wasteland'' games) are based in the post-apocalyptic world created by the mutual destruction of a nuclear war between China and the United States.
* Various Franchise/{{Civilization}} ''Franchise/{{Civilization}}'' games invoke this. Using one nuclear weapon in Civilization will get those who are not at war with you to declare war. Earlier games would also take the AI's nuclear arsenal vs. the players into account when making one sided deals. Civ 6 ramped it up by making Nukes a bit more life like by making radiation last for decades of in game time and lethal to any units in the area (previous games had radiation represented by pollution which would destroy only productivity of the affected tile until a worker could clear it and rebuild the damaged improvement). The mechanics also allowed the attacked player to keep his entire arsenal in play, provided he built a Nuclear Trifecta, thus allowing him to attack the player who used weapons on him some time later. Between the universal lethality and the destruction, both empires would be quickly reduced in capacity in the end game.
19th Sep '17 2:00:39 AM PaulA
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* The Music/TomLehrer song "We Will All Go Together When We Go" is a bleak look at the enormous scale of devastation a nuclear war would bring [[LyricalDissonance set to a jaunty tune.]]
--> Oh we will all char together when we char.
--> And let there be no moaning of the bar.
--> Just sing out a ''te deum'' when you see that I.C.B.M.
--> And the party will be "come as you are!"

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* The Music/TomLehrer song "We Will All Go Together When We Go" Go", from ''Music/AnEveningWastedWithTomLehrer'', is a bleak look at the enormous scale of devastation a nuclear war would bring [[LyricalDissonance set to a jaunty tune.]]
--> Oh
tune]].
-->Oh
we will all char together when we char.
-->
char\\
And let there be no moaning of the bar.
-->
bar\\
Just sing out a ''te deum'' when deum''\\
When
you see that I.C.B.M. \n--> \\
And the party will be "come as you are!"
17th Sep '17 11:21:39 AM nombretomado
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-->'''John''': "Wormhole weapons do not make [[PeaceThroughSuperiorFirepower peace]]. Wormhole weapons...don't even make ''war''. They make total destruction. Annihilation. Armageddon."

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-->'''John''': "Wormhole weapons do not make [[PeaceThroughSuperiorFirepower [[UsefulNotes/PeaceThroughSuperiorFirepower peace]]. Wormhole weapons...don't even make ''war''. They make total destruction. Annihilation. Armageddon."
7th Jul '17 5:43:28 PM infernape612
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Needless to say, this theory made people on all sides of the UsefulNotes/ColdWar very nervous. Indeed, before [[TheGreatPoliticsMessUp the end of the cold war]], most academics thought the acronym "MAD" was appropriate - the strategy seemed insane.[[labelnote:*]]To be fair, hindsight reveals that most politicians on both sides ''also'' thought it was insane, but didn't have any better alternative: nukes were a way of life since the 50's and the genie couldn't be put back in the bottle. This is also why the various nuclear weapon reduction treaties were so contentious and difficult: SALT and START faced the prospect of reducing nuclear stockpiles from "We can kill everything everywhere several times over" to "If we fired our missiles just right, we might win now."[[/labelnote]] It may come up in hypothetical WorldWarIII scenarios or works set in the late-era (1980s) of the UsefulNotes/ColdWar. With the fall of the Soviet Union, MAD has lost its value as the focus shifts to combating [[TheWarOnTerror terrorists]] who do not have access to a large stockpile of nuclear weapons.

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Needless to say, this theory made people on all sides of the UsefulNotes/ColdWar very nervous. Indeed, before [[TheGreatPoliticsMessUp the end of the cold war]], Cold War]], most academics thought the acronym "MAD" was appropriate - the strategy seemed insane.[[labelnote:*]]To be fair, hindsight reveals that most politicians on both sides ''also'' thought it was insane, but didn't have any better alternative: nukes were a way of life since the 50's and the genie couldn't be put back in the bottle. This is also why the various nuclear weapon reduction treaties were so contentious and difficult: SALT and START faced the prospect of reducing nuclear stockpiles from "We can kill everything everywhere several times over" to "If we fired our missiles just right, we might win now."[[/labelnote]] It may come up in hypothetical WorldWarIII scenarios or works set in the late-era (1980s) of the UsefulNotes/ColdWar. With the fall of the Soviet Union, MAD has lost its value as the focus shifts to combating [[TheWarOnTerror terrorists]] who do not have access to a large stockpile of nuclear weapons.
8th May '17 4:30:14 PM Bissek
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* A key part of ''Literature/TheCardinalOfTheKremlin'' is a defense system that threatens to destabilize the world by ending this - if one side can shoot down the other's nukes, then the destruction is no longer mutually assured. The US ends up developing the ability to target incoming nukes, while the USSR develops a laser that could theoretically destroy a nuke if it hit one. They spend the entire book trying to steal each other's breakthrough on the system while trying to protect their own.
3rd May '17 2:34:55 PM Golondrina
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* ''MetalGearSolidPeaceWalker'' discusses this and whether it works or not. [[BigBad Coldman]] intends to use the titular Peace Walker to prove that nuclear deterrence works (specifically that no man wants to go down in history as the great annihilator) by launching a fake nuclear strike, in the hopes that the receiving side will refuse to counterattack and destroy humanity. [[spoiler:Turns out that a strong, charismatic leader in the wrong place at the wrong time can induce a "follow the crowd" effect, which causes cowards to become instant patriots who will sacrifice the world out of spite, and cannot be easily reversed by said leader changing his opinion]]. Whoops.

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* ''MetalGearSolidPeaceWalker'' ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidPeaceWalker'' discusses this and whether it works or not. [[BigBad Coldman]] intends to use the titular Peace Walker to prove that nuclear deterrence works (specifically that no man wants to go down in history as the great annihilator) by launching a fake nuclear strike, in the hopes that the receiving side will refuse to counterattack and destroy humanity. [[spoiler:Turns out that a strong, charismatic leader in the wrong place at the wrong time can induce a "follow the crowd" effect, which causes cowards to become instant patriots who will sacrifice the world out of spite, and cannot be easily reversed by said leader changing his opinion]]. Whoops.
1st May '17 2:40:44 PM Discar
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* ''Webcomic/SchlockMercenary'': Discussed. When the galaxy was bound by a PortalNetwork, there was no Mutually Assured Destruction; the wormgates limited the size of ships that could use them, meaning that it was far easier to defend a system than attack. With the invention of the [[{{Teleportation}} teraport]], that limit was removed, edging the galaxy closer to MAD--but the use of Teraport Area Denial prevented the most dangerous uses of the technology. Then "long-guns" were invented, giant cannons that shoot through hyperspace and overwhelm TAD; with proper location data, they can shoot at anywhere in the galaxy from anywhere in the galaxy. The galaxy was well and truly back in a state of MAD, since there was no defense. The various galactic leaders insist that while this system is terrifying, that's why it works; no one likes the fail state. [[DeusEstMachina Petey]] points out that eventually they'll find someone who ''does'' like the fail state, and then the entire galaxy will die, so they need to find a better solution. Finally, there have been multiple previous epochs of galactic history that were destroyed by failed MAD policies. The very rare surviving species call the long-guns "end-guns" for this reason.

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23rd Mar '17 9:46:52 AM MasterofGalaxies4628
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->[[AC:A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. Would you like to play a nice game of chess?]]

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->[[AC:A ->[[AC:[[Film/WarGames A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. Would you like to play How about a nice game of chess?]]chess?]]]]
10th Mar '17 3:32:26 PM FordPrefect
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* ''Film/DrStrangelove'' is based around this, because the Russians have a doomsday device raring to go if they get hit with a nuke. One [[GeneralRipper rogue general]] in the US air force sends nuclear bombers at Russia, because Ripper, like Turgidson, thinks it can be averted with a pre-emptive strike since the United States has a five-to-one missile superiority. The film notes that the reason this trope was ''not'' successfully invoked was because the Russians constructed their doomsday device ''before'' revealing its existence, thus * A negating any use it had as a deterrent in the meantime and instead guaranteeing their destruction if the Americans set it off out of ignorance (as General Ripper proceeded to do).

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* ''Film/DrStrangelove'' is based around this, because the Russians have a doomsday device raring to go if they get hit with a nuke. One [[GeneralRipper rogue general]] in the US air force sends nuclear bombers at Russia, because Ripper, like Turgidson, thinks it can be averted with a pre-emptive strike since the United States has a five-to-one missile superiority. The film notes that the reason this trope was ''not'' successfully invoked was because the Russians constructed their doomsday device ''before'' revealing its existence, thus * A negating any use it had as a deterrent in the meantime and instead guaranteeing their destruction if the Americans set it off out of ignorance (as General Ripper proceeded to do).
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