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19th Sep '17 2:00:39 AM PaulA
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* The Music/TomLehrer song "We Will All Go Together When We Go" is a bleak look at the enormous scale of devastation a nuclear war would bring [[LyricalDissonance set to a jaunty tune.]]
--> Oh we will all char together when we char.
--> And let there be no moaning of the bar.
--> Just sing out a ''te deum'' when you see that I.C.B.M.
--> And the party will be "come as you are!"

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* The Music/TomLehrer song "We Will All Go Together When We Go" Go", from ''Music/AnEveningWastedWithTomLehrer'', is a bleak look at the enormous scale of devastation a nuclear war would bring [[LyricalDissonance set to a jaunty tune.]]
--> Oh
tune]].
-->Oh
we will all char together when we char.
-->
char\\
And let there be no moaning of the bar.
-->
bar\\
Just sing out a ''te deum'' when deum''\\
When
you see that I.C.B.M. \n--> \\
And the party will be "come as you are!"
17th Sep '17 11:21:39 AM nombretomado
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-->'''John''': "Wormhole weapons do not make [[PeaceThroughSuperiorFirepower peace]]. Wormhole weapons...don't even make ''war''. They make total destruction. Annihilation. Armageddon."

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-->'''John''': "Wormhole weapons do not make [[PeaceThroughSuperiorFirepower [[UsefulNotes/PeaceThroughSuperiorFirepower peace]]. Wormhole weapons...don't even make ''war''. They make total destruction. Annihilation. Armageddon."
7th Jul '17 5:43:28 PM infernape612
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Needless to say, this theory made people on all sides of the UsefulNotes/ColdWar very nervous. Indeed, before [[TheGreatPoliticsMessUp the end of the cold war]], most academics thought the acronym "MAD" was appropriate - the strategy seemed insane.[[labelnote:*]]To be fair, hindsight reveals that most politicians on both sides ''also'' thought it was insane, but didn't have any better alternative: nukes were a way of life since the 50's and the genie couldn't be put back in the bottle. This is also why the various nuclear weapon reduction treaties were so contentious and difficult: SALT and START faced the prospect of reducing nuclear stockpiles from "We can kill everything everywhere several times over" to "If we fired our missiles just right, we might win now."[[/labelnote]] It may come up in hypothetical WorldWarIII scenarios or works set in the late-era (1980s) of the UsefulNotes/ColdWar. With the fall of the Soviet Union, MAD has lost its value as the focus shifts to combating [[TheWarOnTerror terrorists]] who do not have access to a large stockpile of nuclear weapons.

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Needless to say, this theory made people on all sides of the UsefulNotes/ColdWar very nervous. Indeed, before [[TheGreatPoliticsMessUp the end of the cold war]], Cold War]], most academics thought the acronym "MAD" was appropriate - the strategy seemed insane.[[labelnote:*]]To be fair, hindsight reveals that most politicians on both sides ''also'' thought it was insane, but didn't have any better alternative: nukes were a way of life since the 50's and the genie couldn't be put back in the bottle. This is also why the various nuclear weapon reduction treaties were so contentious and difficult: SALT and START faced the prospect of reducing nuclear stockpiles from "We can kill everything everywhere several times over" to "If we fired our missiles just right, we might win now."[[/labelnote]] It may come up in hypothetical WorldWarIII scenarios or works set in the late-era (1980s) of the UsefulNotes/ColdWar. With the fall of the Soviet Union, MAD has lost its value as the focus shifts to combating [[TheWarOnTerror terrorists]] who do not have access to a large stockpile of nuclear weapons.
8th May '17 4:30:14 PM Bissek
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* A key part of ''Literature/TheCardinalOfTheKremlin'' is a defense system that threatens to destabilize the world by ending this - if one side can shoot down the other's nukes, then the destruction is no longer mutually assured. The US ends up developing the ability to target incoming nukes, while the USSR develops a laser that could theoretically destroy a nuke if it hit one. They spend the entire book trying to steal each other's breakthrough on the system while trying to protect their own.
3rd May '17 2:34:55 PM Golondrina
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* ''MetalGearSolidPeaceWalker'' discusses this and whether it works or not. [[BigBad Coldman]] intends to use the titular Peace Walker to prove that nuclear deterrence works (specifically that no man wants to go down in history as the great annihilator) by launching a fake nuclear strike, in the hopes that the receiving side will refuse to counterattack and destroy humanity. [[spoiler:Turns out that a strong, charismatic leader in the wrong place at the wrong time can induce a "follow the crowd" effect, which causes cowards to become instant patriots who will sacrifice the world out of spite, and cannot be easily reversed by said leader changing his opinion]]. Whoops.

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* ''MetalGearSolidPeaceWalker'' ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidPeaceWalker'' discusses this and whether it works or not. [[BigBad Coldman]] intends to use the titular Peace Walker to prove that nuclear deterrence works (specifically that no man wants to go down in history as the great annihilator) by launching a fake nuclear strike, in the hopes that the receiving side will refuse to counterattack and destroy humanity. [[spoiler:Turns out that a strong, charismatic leader in the wrong place at the wrong time can induce a "follow the crowd" effect, which causes cowards to become instant patriots who will sacrifice the world out of spite, and cannot be easily reversed by said leader changing his opinion]]. Whoops.
1st May '17 2:40:44 PM Discar
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* ''Webcomic/SchlockMercenary'': Discussed. When the galaxy was bound by a PortalNetwork, there was no Mutually Assured Destruction; the wormgates limited the size of ships that could use them, meaning that it was far easier to defend a system than attack. With the invention of the [[{{Teleportation}} teraport]], that limit was removed, edging the galaxy closer to MAD--but the use of Teraport Area Denial prevented the most dangerous uses of the technology. Then "long-guns" were invented, giant cannons that shoot through hyperspace and overwhelm TAD; with proper location data, they can shoot at anywhere in the galaxy from anywhere in the galaxy. The galaxy was well and truly back in a state of MAD, since there was no defense. The various galactic leaders insist that while this system is terrifying, that's why it works; no one likes the fail state. [[DeusEstMachina Petey]] points out that eventually they'll find someone who ''does'' like the fail state, and then the entire galaxy will die, so they need to find a better solution. Finally, there have been multiple previous epochs of galactic history that were destroyed by failed MAD policies. The very rare surviving species call the long-guns "end-guns" for this reason.

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23rd Mar '17 9:46:52 AM MasterofGalaxies4628
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->[[AC:A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. Would you like to play a nice game of chess?]]

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->[[AC:A ->[[AC:[[Film/WarGames A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. Would you like to play How about a nice game of chess?]]chess?]]]]
10th Mar '17 3:32:26 PM FordPrefect
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* ''Film/DrStrangelove'' is based around this, because the Russians have a doomsday device raring to go if they get hit with a nuke. One [[GeneralRipper rogue general]] in the US air force sends nuclear bombers at Russia, because Ripper, like Turgidson, thinks it can be averted with a pre-emptive strike since the United States has a five-to-one missile superiority. The film notes that the reason this trope was ''not'' successfully invoked was because the Russians constructed their doomsday device ''before'' revealing its existence, thus * A negating any use it had as a deterrent in the meantime and instead guaranteeing their destruction if the Americans set it off out of ignorance (as General Ripper proceeded to do).

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* ''Film/DrStrangelove'' is based around this, because the Russians have a doomsday device raring to go if they get hit with a nuke. One [[GeneralRipper rogue general]] in the US air force sends nuclear bombers at Russia, because Ripper, like Turgidson, thinks it can be averted with a pre-emptive strike since the United States has a five-to-one missile superiority. The film notes that the reason this trope was ''not'' successfully invoked was because the Russians constructed their doomsday device ''before'' revealing its existence, thus * A negating any use it had as a deterrent in the meantime and instead guaranteeing their destruction if the Americans set it off out of ignorance (as General Ripper proceeded to do).
7th Mar '17 8:47:07 AM hszmv1
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* Various Franchise/{{Civilization}} games invoke this. Using one nuclear weapon in Civilization will get those who are not at war with you to declare war. Earlier games would also take the AI's nuclear arsenal vs. the players into account when making one sided deals. Civ 6 ramped it up by making Nukes a bit more life like by making radiation last for decades of in game time and lethal to any units in the area (previous games had radiation represented by pollution which would destroy only productivity of the affected tile until a worker could clear it and rebuild the damaged improvement). The mechanics also allowed the attacked player to keep his entire arsenal in play, provided he built a Nuclear Trifecta, thus allowing him to attack the player who used weapons on him some time later. Between the universal lethality and the destruction, both empires would be quickly reduced in capacity in the end game.
22nd Oct '16 10:52:32 AM StarSword
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* This ultimately is what ends the forty-plus-year-long war between the Republic of Cinnabar and the Alliance of Free Stars in Creator/DavidDrake's ''Literature/{{RCN}}'' series: Both nations were on the verge of total economic collapse and continuing the war would likely take the rest of human space with them due to their importance in the galactic economy.
* ''Literature/{{Animorphs}}'': Crayak and Ellimist, two SufficientlyAdvancedAliens who would likely destroy the entire universe and themselves along with it if they ever fought openly. This forces them to engage in {{Proxy War}}s with such groups as the Yeerks and the Animorphs.
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