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5th Apr '16 12:53:59 AM JulianLapostat
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* ''Series/{{Vinyl}}'' deals explicitly with the politics and DirtyBusiness of the Record Industry during TheSeventies, inspired by several actual record malpractises and systemic abuse of artists.
23rd Mar '16 11:02:43 AM HasturHasturHastur
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* CreativeDifferences: Disillusionment over industry politics eventually leads to this.

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* CreativeDifferences: Disillusionment over industry politics eventually leads to this.this, and a band may also sometimes eat itself alive if the infighting turns into one or more parties engaging in shady backroom deals to shut other members out. Basically, if a band's inactivity can be blamed on legal battles between members, this is why.



* This could be chalked up as the reason why All Shall Perish was essentially forced to throw Hernan "Eddie" Hermida out after he joined Suicide Silence, as the latter band's management apparently tacked on some ''outrageously'' restrictive conditions regarding All Shall Perish's activities in relation to Eddie, namely that ASP could not play shows with him until he was "well-established" as the new Suicide Silence vocalist. This apparently would require Suicide Silence to both have a new studio album out and to be well into the touring cycle, which would have been well over a year of inactivity from ASP ''at the very least''. Both that and the potential consequences of running afoul of Suicide Silence's management would have killed the band, and they were forced to fire Eddie for their own survival. Ironically enough, they haven't played a show since Eddie was fired, so they failed to avoid the outcome that they were trying to avoid by booting him in the first place.

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* This could be chalked up as In either case, this was the reason why cause of All Shall Perish Perish's extended period of inactivity from 2013 to late 2015. The reason given at the start was essentially forced related to throw Hernan "Eddie" Hermida out after he joined Suicide Silence, Hermida's new job with Music/SuicideSilence, as the latter band's latter's management apparently tacked had allegedly placed severe restrictions on some ''outrageously'' restrictive conditions regarding All Shall Perish's his activities in relation to Eddie, namely that ASP could not play shows with him All Shall Perish until he was "well-established" as the new Suicide Silence vocalist. This frontman (and it was apparently understood that running afoul of them could have ''dire'' consequences for All Shall Perish), which would require Suicide Silence to both have a new studio album out and required him to be well into the touring cycle, which would have been well over cycle for a year of inactivity from ASP ''at the very least''. Both that and the potential consequences of running afoul of new Suicide Silence's management would have killed the band, and they were Silence album before he could do anything with All Shall Perish again. This allegedly forced Mike Tiner's hand and left him with no choice but to fire Eddie for their own survival. Ironically enough, Eddie. However, a new side emerged when they haven't played a show since Eddie was fired, so they failed to avoid came back in 2015 with virtually all of the outcome ''Awaken the Dreamers'' lineup (''including'' Eddie) minus Tiner and plus founding member Caysen Russo in his place and an explanation that they were trying the hiatus was actually due to avoid by booting a legal battle with Tiner over rights to the band's name, royalties, and control over band assets that had only just concluded, raising the reasonable suspicion that the original reason given was a cover for Tiner to make him in look better. Basically, regardless of what the first place.full story was, this trope was clearly in effect at that time.
23rd Mar '16 10:39:37 AM igordebraga
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* This is why it has been taking Tool so long to make a new album. Essentially, lawsuits have put the new album in DevelopmentHell. Adam Jones explains more [[http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/tool-explain-why-they-havent-put-out-a-new-album-since-2006-20140715 in this Rolling Stone interview.]]

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* This is why it has been taking Tool Music/{{Tool}} so long to make a new album. Essentially, lawsuits have put the new album in DevelopmentHell. Adam Jones explains more [[http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/tool-explain-why-they-havent-put-out-a-new-album-since-2006-20140715 in this Rolling Stone interview.]]


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* Bonnie [=McKee=] was a teenager who signed a lucrative deal, struggled to see her album released because the label didn't know how to sell her, and despite the first single gathering internet buzz the record flopped. [[http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop-shop/5646340/singles-lady-bonnie-mckee-is-looking-out-for-number-one Shortly later, the label dropped McKee]] - but not before in frustration she "drove to the label CEO's house in the middle of the night, took a CD of my best songs and stabbed it onto a tree right in front of his door with a dagger. I then wrote 'Platinum Baby!' in lipstick on his car." When years later she broke out as a successful songwriter for hire (mostly for her friend Music/KatyPerry), [=McKee=] admitted learning the machinations of the music industry at such a young age served as a cautionary tale.
6th Feb '16 12:47:06 PM Freshmeat
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You see, the promotion of music is politics, and [[ExecutiveMeddling a lot more goes on behind the scenes]]. It's way more complicated than walking into the studio and recording your MagnumOpus. You (or more accurately the record company) have to worry about image, artistic directions, {{demographic|s}} considerations, marketing, [[MoralGuardians censorship]], courting radio and music networks through legal or, um... [[BribingYourWayToVictory non-legal]] means, and paying close attention to trends. It's never ''just'' about music, for better or for worse. In the end, you could end up with [[ArtistDisillusionment disillusioned artists]] ''and'' fans.

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You see, the promotion of music is politics, and [[ExecutiveMeddling a lot more goes on behind the scenes]]. It's way more complicated than walking into the studio and recording your MagnumOpus.a hit album. You (or more accurately the record company) have to worry about image, artistic directions, {{demographic|s}} considerations, marketing, [[MoralGuardians censorship]], courting radio and music networks through legal or, um... [[BribingYourWayToVictory non-legal]] means, and paying close attention to trends. It's never ''just'' about music, for better or for worse. In the end, you could end up with [[ArtistDisillusionment disillusioned artists]] ''and'' fans.
22nd Jan '16 8:53:56 AM Morgenthaler
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* NewEdition learned this the hard way when they were first starting out.

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* NewEdition Music/NewEdition learned this the hard way when they were first starting out.
27th Dec '15 6:43:41 AM AmateurMadman
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** She wouldn't be the first one to get famous by this method, although she was one of the more notable ones. It's also at least somewhat suspected that Music/KendrickLamar did the same with ''good kid, m.A.A.d city'', which, while still very dark and mature, was decidedly more radio-friendly, accessible, and overall mainstream-friendly than the extremely dense and difficult ''To Pimp a Butterfly''. Given the sharp contrast in accessibility between the two, it's not unreasonable to assume that the former was intended to be an album to blow up with that he could still stand behind, while the latter was intended to be the album that he wanted to make and could make thanks to the free reign provided to him with his newfound status.

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** She wouldn't be the first one to get famous by this method, although she was one of the more notable ones. It's also at least somewhat suspected that Music/KendrickLamar did the same with ''good kid, m.A.A.d city'', ''Music/GoodKidMAADCity'', which, while still very dark and mature, was decidedly more radio-friendly, accessible, and overall mainstream-friendly than the extremely dense and difficult ''To Pimp a Butterfly''. Given the sharp contrast in accessibility between the two, it's not unreasonable to assume that the former was intended to be an album to blow up with that he could still stand behind, while the latter was intended to be the album that he wanted to make and could make thanks to the free reign provided to him with his newfound status.
26th Dec '15 5:47:07 PM HasturHasturHastur
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** She wouldn't be the first one to get famous by this method, although she is the most notable one right now.

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** She wouldn't be the first one to get famous by this method, although she is was one of the most more notable one right now.ones. It's also at least somewhat suspected that Music/KendrickLamar did the same with ''good kid, m.A.A.d city'', which, while still very dark and mature, was decidedly more radio-friendly, accessible, and overall mainstream-friendly than the extremely dense and difficult ''To Pimp a Butterfly''. Given the sharp contrast in accessibility between the two, it's not unreasonable to assume that the former was intended to be an album to blow up with that he could still stand behind, while the latter was intended to be the album that he wanted to make and could make thanks to the free reign provided to him with his newfound status.
25th Dec '15 1:58:47 PM CassandraLeo
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* Several of Music/DeadKennedys and Music/JelloBiafra's songs are about this, most notably "Pull My Strings". The band became a literal example of this trope when Jello's former bandmates sued him.
* Music/HenryCow formed the Rock in Opposition festivals as a protest against music industry practices.
* This trope is one reason the second [[Music/{{Death}} Control Denied]] album has languished in DevelopmentHell for so long: the surviving members were embroiled in a lengthy legal struggle with their record company. (Then their gear got stolen...)
14th Sep '15 11:52:29 AM Willbyr
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* In ''{{Nana}}'', BLAST and Trap Nest deal with their need to be profitable for the labels -- smoothing out their sound, changing their style, and dealing with the paparazzi in ways that help their bands along,
* The parts of manga ''BeckMongolianChopSquad'' that aren't about CharacterDevelopment and ThePowerOfRock are about this trope. The titular band could have triumphed easily since the beginning due to their sheer talent, but their leader unknowingly ticked off both a mobster and a fellow musician who became major before him, and both men, on their respective sides, have pulled off and cut whenever thread of influence the band could have used to move to the next level.
* In the {{Hentai}} anime ''Cool Devices'', there is a young pink-haired IdolSinger named Rina, who starts off with a wholesome GirlNextDoor image. Her manager, knowing that SexSells, wants to make her image HotterAndSexier to generate [[MoneyDearBoy more revenue.]] But he isn't satisfied with just an UnnecessaryMakeover here, or a sexy photoshoot there. No, he basically starts pimping her, and by the end of the vignette, she masturbates on stage with the microphone.

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* In ''{{Nana}}'', ''Manga/{{Nana}}'', BLAST and Trap Nest deal with their need to be profitable for the labels -- smoothing out their sound, changing their style, and dealing with the paparazzi in ways that help their bands along,
* The parts of manga ''BeckMongolianChopSquad'' ''Manga/{{Beck}}'' that aren't about CharacterDevelopment and ThePowerOfRock are about this trope. The titular band could have triumphed easily since the beginning due to their sheer talent, but their leader unknowingly ticked off both a mobster and a fellow musician who became major before him, and both men, on their respective sides, have pulled off and cut whenever thread of influence the band could have used to move to the next level.
* In the {{Hentai}} anime ''Cool Devices'', there is a young pink-haired IdolSinger named Rina, Rina who starts off with a wholesome GirlNextDoor image. Her manager, knowing that SexSells, wants to make her image HotterAndSexier to generate [[MoneyDearBoy more revenue.]] revenue]]. But he isn't satisfied with just an UnnecessaryMakeover here, or a sexy photoshoot there. No, he basically starts pimping her, and by the end of the vignette, she masturbates on stage with the microphone.
2nd Sep '15 11:41:44 PM thrall-demonsweat
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* Music/{{Prince}} was/is very bitter over this. So much so he once changed his name to an unpronounceable symbol in order to get out of a record contract.

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* Music/{{Prince}} was/is very bitter over this. So much so he once changed his name to an unpronounceable symbol in order to get out of a record contract.defy Warner Bros, and disassociate himself from the "slave" artist the he claimed the label had turned him in to. He wouldn't change it back until his contract expired.
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