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4th May '18 9:54:36 PM AnotherEpicFail
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** In a much more straightforward example, the [[TheDisembodied Black Signal]] (AKA [[TomTheDarkLord John]]) is formally referred to as the messenger of [[EldritchAbomination the Dreamers]] - who at this point are still trapped in the Dreaming Prison and unable to speak to the players except through very rare psychic dreams. Accordingly, John spends most of his time communicating with players via his own unique Lore system, trying to usher in new converts to the worship of the Sleeping Ones. [{AffablyEvil He's pretty amiable about it, too.]]

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** In a much more straightforward example, the [[TheDisembodied Black Signal]] (AKA [[TomTheDarkLord John]]) is formally referred to as the messenger of [[EldritchAbomination the Dreamers]] - who at this point are still trapped in the Dreaming Prison and unable to speak to the players except through very rare psychic dreams. Accordingly, John spends most of his time communicating with players via his own unique Lore system, trying to usher in new converts to the worship of the Sleeping Ones. [{AffablyEvil [[AffablyEvil He's pretty amiable about it, too.]]
4th May '18 8:12:12 AM AnotherEpicFail
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** In a much more straightforward example, the [[TheDisembodied Black Signal]] (AKA [[TomTheDarkLord John]]) is formally referred to as the messenger of [[EldritchAbomination the Dreamers]]; accordingly, he spends most of his time communicating with players via his own unique Lore system, trying to usher in new converts to the service of the Dreamers.

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** In a much more straightforward example, the [[TheDisembodied Black Signal]] (AKA [[TomTheDarkLord John]]) is formally referred to as the messenger of [[EldritchAbomination the Dreamers]]; accordingly, he Dreamers]] - who at this point are still trapped in the Dreaming Prison and unable to speak to the players except through very rare psychic dreams. Accordingly, John spends most of his time communicating with players via his own unique Lore system, trying to usher in new converts to the service worship of the Dreamers.Sleeping Ones. [{AffablyEvil He's pretty amiable about it, too.]]
4th May '18 8:08:09 AM AnotherEpicFail
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* ''VideoGame/TheSecretWorld'' features a morally-ambiguous example in the form of [[IceQueen Bong Cha]], Voice of the Dragon. Because Dragon-allied players are forbidden from speaking to the [[AChildShallLeadThem Golden Child]], they receive orders solely from Bong Cha, who also serves as their contact and handler while in the field. [[spoiler: Issue #11 ends with her being unceremoniously fired, memory-wiped, and replaced with Daimon Kiyota.]]
** In a much more straightforward example, the [[TheDisembodied Black Signal]] (AKA [[TomTheDarkLord John]]) is formally referred to as the messenger of [[EldritchAbomination the Dreamers]]; accordingly, he spends most of his time communicating with players via his own unique Lore system, trying to usher in new converts to the service of the Dreamers.
30th Apr '18 8:08:09 PM SullenFrog
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** ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar'' has Ebony Maw, who acts as the Other's replacement and preaches to the populations of defeated worlds that they should be honoured to serve his master’s grand designs by being slaughtered. [[Film/IronMan Tony Stark]], [[DeadpanSnarker naturally]], is unimpressed with Maw’s shtick and interrupts him the first chance he gets.
20th Apr '18 11:40:07 PM Xythos
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* ''TabletopGame/MagicTheGathering'': After being ''[[BodyHorror compleated]]'' by New Phyrexians, now Atraxa fulfills this role as the Voice of the Praetors.

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* ''TabletopGame/MagicTheGathering'': After being ''[[BodyHorror compleated]]'' by New Phyrexians, now Atraxa fulfills this role as the Voice of the Praetors.Praetors, although the latter have been shown and have their own cards. Appropriately, she's an angel.
20th Apr '18 11:38:44 PM Xythos
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* ''TabletopGame/MagicTheGathering'': After being ''[[BodyHorror compleated]]'' by New Phyrexians, now Atraxa fulfills this role as the Voice of the Praetors.
18th Apr '18 11:39:58 AM rjd1922
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* Monokuma of the ''Franchise/{{Danganronpa}}'' franchise, a series of bear-shaped robots whose job it is to speak [[VisualNovel/{{Danganronpa}} to the]] [[VisualNovel/SuperDanganronpa2 students]] for the mastermind.

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* Monokuma of the ''Franchise/{{Danganronpa}}'' franchise, a series of bear-shaped robots whose job it is to speak [[VisualNovel/{{Danganronpa}} to the]] to]] [[VisualNovel/SuperDanganronpa2 the]] [[VisualNovel/NewDanganRonpaV3 students]] for the mastermind.
21st Feb '18 10:31:46 AM superpsych
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* In ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'', Pain is considered the unseen "God", and Konan is his "messenger angel".

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* In ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'', Pain is considered the unseen "God", and Konan is his "messenger angel". Doubled down on by the fact that Pain is TheHeavy for Akatsuki, with Tobi being the one truly in charge.
18th Dec '17 9:17:47 PM chopshop
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* The Speaker from ''{{VideoGame/Destiny}}'' is a rare heroic example. He speaks to [[BigGood the Traveler]] and conveys its decrees to the Guardians and other inhabitants of the City. [[spoiler:[[SubvertedTrope Except not really]]. As he admits to Ghaul, the Traveler has never actually spoken to him; he just says what he believes it would've wanted him to.]]
-->"[[spoiler:Ghaul... I speak [[ExactWords for the Traveler... I never said it spoke to me]]...]]"
19th Nov '17 2:40:36 PM StFan
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The Mouth Of Sauron often serves as TheDragon and/or NumberTwo, and can sometimes be a villainous counterpart to a SupportingLeader: when the real villain is in the background [[TheChessmaster pulling strings]], he needs someone to go out and lead his EvilArmy against the forces of good.

Sometimes, the Mouth Of Sauron is set up to be the BigBad and is even believed to be so by everyone except the real BigBad's most trusted advisers. In this case, it overlaps with TheManBehindTheMan.

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The Mouth Of of Sauron often serves as TheDragon and/or NumberTwo, and can sometimes be a villainous counterpart to a SupportingLeader: when the real villain is in the background [[TheChessmaster pulling strings]], he needs someone to go out and lead his EvilArmy against the forces of good.

Sometimes, the Mouth Of of Sauron is set up to be the BigBad and is even believed to be so by everyone except the real BigBad's most trusted advisers. In this case, it overlaps with TheManBehindTheMan.



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* In ''Manga/DeathNote'', the unseen "Kira" at first only attracts a widely scattered cult following, but as his influence grows and he becomes a VillainWithGoodPublicity, it becomes necessary for Kira to select an official representative. The position is filled first by Hitoshi Demegawa, and then more successfully by Kiyomi Takada, [[spoiler:who also passes secret messages between Light and Mikami and is actually entrusted with the killings for a while]].

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* In ''Manga/DeathNote'', the ''Manga/DeathNote'':
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unseen "Kira" at first only attracts a widely scattered cult following, but as his influence grows and he becomes a VillainWithGoodPublicity, it becomes necessary for Kira to select an official representative. The position is filled first by Hitoshi Demegawa, and then more successfully by Kiyomi Takada, [[spoiler:who also passes secret messages between Light and Mikami and is actually entrusted with the killings for a while]].



** During the 90s [[Characters/XMenAcolytes Exodus]] served this role to ComicBook/{{Magneto}}, even outright calling himself the "Voice of Magneto".
** Also introduced in the 90s was Ozymandias, a character created to serve this role for ComicBook/{{Apocalypse}}. As is typical for servants of Apocalypse, he eventually ended up betraying his master (which makes more sense when one remembers he was originally an official in AncientEgypt who was "[[WhoWantsToLiveForever blessed]]" with immortality by Apocalypse so that he could be Big Blue's slave forever).

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** During the 90s '90s [[Characters/XMenAcolytes Exodus]] served this role to ComicBook/{{Magneto}}, even outright calling himself the "Voice of Magneto".
** Also introduced in the 90s '90s was Ozymandias, a character created to serve this role for ComicBook/{{Apocalypse}}. As is typical for servants of Apocalypse, he eventually ended up betraying his master (which makes more sense when one remembers he was originally an official in AncientEgypt who was "[[WhoWantsToLiveForever blessed]]" with immortality by Apocalypse so that he could be Big Blue's slave forever).



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** ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}'' has a character like this called "the Other" who greatly resembles the TropeNamer[[note]][[http://i.imgur.com/0XA0x1v.jpg If you recognise Alexis Denisof underneath the makeup and phalanging, you win a star.]][[/note]] and, in the opening scene, facilitates the deal with Loki for an army in exchange for the Tesseract. Midway through, the two of them have a psychic conversation about how much Loki owes their master and how boned he'll be if he can't make good on his word. [[spoiler:TheStinger reveals that he's working for Thanos.]]

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** ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}'' has a character like this called "the Other" who greatly resembles the TropeNamer[[note]][[http://i.imgur.com/0XA0x1v.jpg If you recognise recognize Alexis Denisof underneath the makeup and phalanging, you win a star.]][[/note]] and, in the opening scene, facilitates the deal with Loki for an army in exchange for the Tesseract. Midway through, the two of them have a psychic conversation about how much Loki owes their master and how boned he'll be if he can't make good on his word. [[spoiler:TheStinger reveals that he's working for Thanos.]]



* A DeletedScene from ''Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice'' reveals that [[spoiler: General Steppenwolf has been communicating with ComicBook/LexLuthor, presumably on behalf of ComicBook/{{Darkseid}}, whose coming Lex proclaims.]]

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* A DeletedScene from ''Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice'' reveals that [[spoiler: General [[spoiler:General Steppenwolf has been communicating with ComicBook/LexLuthor, presumably on behalf of ComicBook/{{Darkseid}}, whose coming Lex proclaims.]]



* "Mr. Kobayashi" serves as the voice and agent for Keyser Soze in ''Film/TheUsualSuspects''. It turns out that this person [[spoiler:is one of the few factual elements from Verbal's story]].
** [[spoiler: His existence is factual at any rate. Anything Kint said about his involvement is open for debate.]]
* Guy Shepard from ''Film/TheWorldsEnd''.

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* "Mr. Kobayashi" serves as the voice and agent for Keyser Soze in ''Film/TheUsualSuspects''. It turns out that this person [[spoiler:is one of the few factual elements from Verbal's story]].
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story. His existence is factual at any rate. Anything Kint said about his involvement is open for debate.]]
* %%* Guy Shepard from ''Film/TheWorldsEnd''.



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* The [[TropeNamer Mouth Of Sauron]] from ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings'', who serves as EvilOverlord Sauron's herald, and lieutenant of the Dark Tower. He comes out of the Black Gate to insult the Fellowship and try to persuade them Frodo is their captive, but Aragorn and Gandalf refuse to believe him. In the book version, Aragorn scares the Mouth off with a DeathGlare as he speaks (which causes the Mouth to claim he's practically been assaulted), but in the film version, he marches right up and [[OffWithHisHead chops off the Mouth's head]].

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* The [[TropeNamer Mouth Of of Sauron]] from ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings'', who serves as EvilOverlord Sauron's herald, and lieutenant of the Dark Tower. He comes out of the Black Gate to insult the Fellowship and try to persuade them Frodo is their captive, but Aragorn and Gandalf refuse to believe him. In the book version, Aragorn scares the Mouth off with a DeathGlare as he speaks (which causes the Mouth to claim he's practically been assaulted), but in the film version, he marches right up and [[OffWithHisHead chops off the Mouth's head]].



* A heroic example in ''Literature/HorusHeresy''. With the Emperor being locked up and warring beneath the Imperial Palace, Malcador - the only person with psychic contact with him - becomes his herald and regent, telling the Imperium its Emperor's will, and sometimes even turning into WillingChanneler for [[FanNickname Emps]].
* Creator/EEDocSmith's Literature/{{Lensman}} stories feature the Eddorian mouthpiece who always starts his speeches "Helmuth, speaking for Boskone".
** Helmuth himself doesn't know about the Eddorians, as there are several layers of Mouth between him and them; he's aware of the Eich and may ''suspect'' there's something above them (because he's not dumb), but he doesn't know anything for certain. On the other side of things, it's generally assumed by a lot of Boskonians (and by the Patrol when they first find out about him) that Helmuth uses "speaking for Boskone" as an affectation and that he's the real top dog of the organization.

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* A heroic example in ''Literature/HorusHeresy''. With the Emperor being locked up and warring beneath the Imperial Palace, Malcador - -- the only person with psychic contact with him - -- becomes his herald and regent, telling the Imperium its Emperor's will, and sometimes even turning into WillingChanneler for [[FanNickname Emps]].
* Creator/EEDocSmith's Literature/{{Lensman}} stories feature the Eddorian mouthpiece who always starts his speeches "Helmuth, speaking for Boskone".
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Boskone". Helmuth himself doesn't know about the Eddorians, as there are several layers of Mouth between him and them; he's aware of the Eich and may ''suspect'' there's something above them (because he's not dumb), but he doesn't know anything for certain. On the other side of things, it's generally assumed by a lot of Boskonians (and by the Patrol when they first find out about him) that Helmuth uses "speaking for Boskone" as an affectation and that he's the real top dog of the organization.



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** In ''ComicBook/{{Legacy}}'', Darth Wyyrlok (I, II and III), whenever Darth Krayt went into stasis, served as "Voice" of the [[EvilOverlord Dark Lord of the Sith]].
*** This continued even after Wyyrlok III [[spoiler:killed Krayt]]. At least until Krayt decided that was going too far, and [[spoiler:killed Wyyrlok back.]]

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** In ''ComicBook/{{Legacy}}'', Darth Wyyrlok (I, II and III), whenever Darth Krayt went into stasis, served as "Voice" of the [[EvilOverlord Dark Lord of the Sith]].
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Sith]]. This continued even after Wyyrlok III [[spoiler:killed Krayt]]. At least until Krayt decided that was going too far, and [[spoiler:killed Wyyrlok back.]]



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* ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD'': Edison Po is the only member of [[NebulousEvilOrganization Centipede]] who speaks directly to their [[TheGhost mysterious]] leader, The Clairvoyant, and passes on his orders. [[spoiler: In "The Magical Place", the Clairvoyant kills him and replaces him with [[TheHeavy Raina]]. And after Raina's arrest, at the end of that episode Ian Quinn seems to have replaced her. As of ''his'' arrest in "T.R.A.C.K.S.", the Clairvoyant seems to have abandoned having a Mouth of Sauron in favor of a [[TheBrute Brute]], Deathlok.]]
* In the first season of ''{{Series/Alias}}'', Mr. Sark served in this role for "The Man," who revealed their identity in the season finale. Afterward, he just became TheDragon and, often, TheHeavy.

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* ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD'': Edison Po is the only member of [[NebulousEvilOrganization Centipede]] who speaks directly to their [[TheGhost mysterious]] leader, The Clairvoyant, and passes on his orders. [[spoiler: In [[spoiler:In "The Magical Place", the Clairvoyant kills him and replaces him with [[TheHeavy Raina]]. And after Raina's arrest, at the end of that episode Ian Quinn seems to have replaced her. As of ''his'' arrest in "T.R.A.C.K.S.", the Clairvoyant seems to have abandoned having a Mouth of Sauron in favor of a [[TheBrute Brute]], Deathlok.]]
* In the first season of ''{{Series/Alias}}'', ''Series/{{Alias}}'', Mr. Sark served in this role for "The Man," who revealed their identity in the season finale. Afterward, he just became TheDragon and, often, TheHeavy.



* In ''Series/DoctorWho'', Daleks cannot exposit for any length of time, due to their slow speech. (Just imagine a Dalek barking, '[[AC:Have a nice cup of tea and sit down, this may take a while!]]') So, Davros was introduced as their humanoid creator. Of course the gag with Davros is that he talks and acts exactly like a Dalek himself, breaking his words into syllables and screaming his lungs out, but he also spends a good deal of time chatting politely with the Doctor.
-->'''[[http://them0vieblog.com/2015/09/26/doctor-who-the-witchs-familiar-review/ Darren Mooney]]''': One of the smarter touches of ''[[Recap/DoctorWhoS35E1TheMagiciansApprentice The Magician’s Apprentice]]'' was to delineate the two. ''“I created the Daleks,”'' Davros advises the Doctor. ''“I do not control them.”'' So, if Davros is separated from the Daleks...then what exactly does he do? ''[[Recap/DoctorWhoS35E2TheWitchsFamiliar The Witch’s Familiar]]'' suggests that the answer is quite simple. Davros does what Davros always does. Davros talks.
** The Time Lords in the Classic Series would occasionally send someone to relay a message to the Doctor. In "Terror of the Autons" one travels 29,000 light years to warn the 3rd Doctor the Master has come to Earth, though his coordinates slipping means he appears in mid-air. In "Genesis of the Daleks" in a scene partially based on [[Film/TheSeventhSeal The Seventh Seal]] a Time Lord appears to tell the 4th Doctor he has been sent to Skaro to avert the creation of the Daleks.

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* In ''Series/DoctorWho'', ''Series/DoctorWho'':
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Daleks cannot exposit for any length of time, due to their slow speech. (Just imagine a Dalek barking, '[[AC:Have "[[AC:Have a nice cup of tea and sit down, this may take a while!]]') while!]]") So, Davros was introduced as their humanoid creator. Of course course, the gag with Davros is that he talks and acts exactly like a Dalek himself, breaking his words into syllables and screaming his lungs out, but he also spends a good deal of time chatting politely with the Doctor.
-->'''[[http://them0vieblog.--->'''[[http://them0vieblog.com/2015/09/26/doctor-who-the-witchs-familiar-review/ Darren Mooney]]''': Mooney]]:''' One of the smarter touches of ''[[Recap/DoctorWhoS35E1TheMagiciansApprentice "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS35E1TheMagiciansApprentice The Magician’s Apprentice]]'' Magician's Apprentice]]" was to delineate the two. ''“I "I created the Daleks,”'' Daleks," Davros advises the Doctor. ''“I "I do not control them.”'' " So, if Davros is separated from the Daleks...Daleks... then what exactly does he do? ''[[Recap/DoctorWhoS35E2TheWitchsFamiliar "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS35E2TheWitchsFamiliar The Witch’s Familiar]]'' Witch's Familiar]]" suggests that the answer is quite simple. Davros does what Davros always does. Davros talks.
** The Time Lords in the Classic Series would occasionally send someone to relay a message to the Doctor. In "Terror of the Autons" one travels 29,000 light years to warn the 3rd Doctor the Master has come to Earth, though his coordinates slipping means he appears in mid-air. In "Genesis of the Daleks" Daleks", in a scene partially based on [[Film/TheSeventhSeal The Seventh Seal]] ''Film/TheSeventhSeal'', a Time Lord appears to tell the 4th Doctor he has been sent to Skaro to avert the creation of the Daleks.



* This is effectively [[spoiler:Richard Alpert]]'s job on ''Series/{{Lost}}'': to act as a representative for [[spoiler:Jacob]] so they don't have to interact with anyone directly.

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* ''Series/{{Lost}}'':
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This is effectively [[spoiler:Richard Alpert]]'s job on ''Series/{{Lost}}'': job: to act as a representative for [[spoiler:Jacob]] so they don't have to interact with anyone directly.



* A Latino gang in an episode of ''Series/{{NCIS}}'' was essentially being run by someone pretending to be this. Gibbs reveals this to some lower gang lieutenants, revealing that they and Gibbs' team were both played for fools, and that Gibbs has nothing he can stick on him, implying that the other gang members need to dispose of the Mouth of Sauron member for his duplicity.

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* A Latino gang in an episode of ''Series/{{NCIS}}'' was is essentially being run by someone pretending to be this. Gibbs reveals this to some lower gang lieutenants, revealing that they and Gibbs' team were both played for fools, and that Gibbs has nothing he can stick on him, implying that the other gang members need to dispose of the Mouth of Sauron member for his duplicity.



* On ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'', Weyoun serves as this for the Female Changeling. The Female Changeling, by extension, serves as the mouthpiece for all Changelings, and the Dominion as a whole.

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* On ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'', ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'':
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Weyoun serves as this for the Female Changeling. The Female Changeling, by extension, serves as the mouthpiece for all Changelings, and the Dominion as a whole.



* ''Series/{{Supernatural}}'': Very few of the angels have actually seen God, so their orders are passed on from the ones who have. Though later it's revealed that none of their orders come from him, they're actually from the corrupt higher-level angels and Joshua is the only one God actually speaks to.
** Metatron's job was to write down the Word of God, which can only be read by prophets. (See the Religion section.)

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* ''Series/{{Supernatural}}'': Very few of the angels have actually seen God, so their orders are passed on from the ones who have. Though later it's revealed that none of their orders come from him, they're actually from the corrupt higher-level angels and Joshua is the only one God actually speaks to.
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to. Metatron's job was to write down the Word of God, which can only be read by prophets. (See the Religion section.)



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* In ''Podcast/TheAdventureZoneBalance'', whenever Merle calls a Parley with [[EldritchAbomination the Hunger]], the Hunger's representative is a well-dressed human man named John.

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* In ''Podcast/TheAdventureZoneBalance'', whenever Merle calls a Parley The Metatron, or the Voice of God: an archangel who WasOnceAMan, the prophet Enoch, and served as an intermediary between God and mankind in Jewish theology. He is identified with [[EldritchAbomination the Hunger]], Pillar of Fire from the Hunger's representative is Book of Exodus. He does not explicitly appear in Christian canon, the only oblique reference being in Genesis: "Altogether, Enoch lived a well-dressed total of 365 years. Enoch walked faithfully with God; then he was no more, because God took him away." (Every other human man named John.mentioned in the passage describing the lineage is said to have 'died'). He is sometimes used by theologians as an explanation for why God's judgement seems much harsher in the Old Testament than the New--in the Old Testament, God's interventions are actually Metatron acting on God's behalf and suffering from either HumansAreBastards himself or, now being [[PureIsNotGood pure]] due to being raised to an archangel, is particularly disgusted by his own people and hard on them.
* There's also a Christian (Catholic) version of this idea: In the works of Thomas Aquinas and St. Denis, angels are described as beings who transmit the words or will of God to human beings through a divine game of Chinese whispers. This was done mostly to reconcile Christianity with Neoplatonic idealism. Basically God tells the Seraphim and Cherubim, they tell the Dominions, Virtues and Powers, and they in turn tell the Principalities, Archangels and Angels. Only the Archangels and Angels interact directly with the world as we know it.
* The prophets of most modern religions can also be considered this.
* In most versions of Gnosticism, the highest God (or ''Monad'') is just too pure to have anything at all to do with the physical universe; there are several layers of "emanations" below the Monad before reaching the Demiurge, who actually rules the physical universe and serves as the interface between it and the spiritual levels above. (In a subversion, though, the Demiurge is also frequently too ''ignorant'' about what he really is and ''thinks'' he's the actual God.)



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* The Metatron, or the Voice of God: an archangel who WasOnceAMan, the prophet Enoch, and served as an intermediary between God and mankind in Jewish theology. He is identified with the Pillar of Fire from the Book of Exodus. He does not explicitly appear in Christian canon, the only oblique reference being in Genesis: "Altogether, Enoch lived a total of 365 years. Enoch walked faithfully with God; then he was no more, because God took him away." (Every other human mentioned in the passage describing the lineage is said to have 'died'). He is sometimes used by theologians as an explanation for why God's judgement seems much harsher in the Old Testament than the New--in the Old Testament, God's interventions are actually Metatron acting on God's behalf and suffering from either HumansAreBastards himself or, now being [[PureIsNotGood pure]] due to being raised to an archangel, is particularly disgusted by his own people and hard on them.
* There's also a Christian (Catholic) version of this idea: In the works of Thomas Aquinas and St. Denis, angels are described as beings who transmit the words or will of God to human beings through a divine game of Chinese whispers. This was done mostly to reconcile Christianity with Neoplatonic idealism. Basically God tells the Seraphim and Cherubim, they tell the Dominions, Virtues and Powers, and they in turn tell the Principalities, Archangels and Angels. Only the Archangels and Angels interact directly with the world as we know it.
* The prophets of most modern religions can also be considered this.
* In most versions of Gnosticism, the highest God (or ''Monad'') is just too pure to have anything at all to do with the physical universe; there are several layers of "emanations" below the Monad before reaching the Demiurge, who actually rules the physical universe and serves as the interface between it and the spiritual levels above. (In a subversion, though, the Demiurge is also frequently too ''ignorant'' about what he really is and ''thinks'' he's the actual God.)
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* In ''TabletopGame/{{Eberron}}'', the Dreaming Dark- essentially a living nightmare of god-like proportions and the GeniusLoci of the DreamWorld [[note]]confusingly, also the name of an organization dedicated to serving said entity[[/note]]- is one of the most powerful, evil threats facing the setting. However, it is so vast and incomprehensible that even its quori minions- nightmare spirits that themselves are somewhere between [[OurDemonsAreDifferent demons]] and {{Eldritch Abomination}}s- cannot commune with it directly without being overwhelmed. Only one quori, the Devourer of Dreams, possesses sufficient power to talk to the Dark directly, and his job is to tell the other quori what their master/god/thing wants done.

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* The Metatron, or the Voice of God: an archangel who WasOnceAMan, the prophet Enoch, and served as an intermediary between God and mankind in Jewish theology. He is identified with the Pillar of Fire from the Book of Exodus. He does not explicitly appear in Christian canon, the only oblique reference being in Genesis: "Altogether, Enoch lived a total of 365 years. Enoch walked faithfully with God; then he was no more, because God took him away." (Every other human mentioned in the passage describing the lineage is said to have 'died'). He is sometimes used by theologians as an explanation for why God's judgement seems much harsher in the Old Testament than the New--in the Old Testament, God's interventions are actually Metatron acting on God's behalf and suffering from either HumansAreBastards himself or, now being [[PureIsNotGood pure]] due to being raised to an archangel, is particularly disgusted by his own people and hard on them.
* There's also a Christian (Catholic) version of this idea: In the works of Thomas Aquinas and St. Denis, angels are described as beings who transmit the words or will of God to human beings through a divine game of Chinese whispers. This was done mostly to reconcile Christianity with Neoplatonic idealism. Basically God tells the Seraphim and Cherubim, they tell the Dominions, Virtues and Powers, and they in turn tell the Principalities, Archangels and Angels. Only the Archangels and Angels interact directly with the world as we know it.
* The prophets of most modern religions can also be considered this.
* In most versions of Gnosticism, the highest God (or ''Monad'') is just too pure to have anything at all to do with the physical universe; there are several layers of "emanations" below the Monad before reaching the Demiurge, who actually rules the physical universe and serves as the interface between it and the spiritual levels above. (In a subversion, though, the Demiurge is also frequently too ''ignorant'' about what he really is and ''thinks'' he's the actual God.)
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* In ''TabletopGame/{{Eberron}}'', the Dreaming Dark- Dark -- essentially a living nightmare of god-like proportions and the GeniusLoci of the DreamWorld [[note]]confusingly, also the name of an organization dedicated to serving said entity[[/note]]- entity[[/note]] -- is one of the most powerful, evil threats facing the setting. However, it is so vast and incomprehensible that even its quori minions- minions -- nightmare spirits that themselves are somewhere between [[OurDemonsAreDifferent demons]] and {{Eldritch Abomination}}s- Abomination}}s -- cannot commune with it directly without being overwhelmed. Only one quori, the Devourer of Dreams, possesses sufficient power to talk to the Dark directly, and his job is to tell the other quori what their master/god/thing wants done.



* In ''TabletopGame/{{Shadowrun}}'', the main characters are technically criminals and mercenaries-for-hire, and most people who hire shadowrunners want to avoid publicly associating with them. Hence came the system of the "Mr. Johnson", a MysteriousEmployer responsible for directly contacting, hiring and paying the shadowrunners without their bosses getting anywhere near them. In some rare cases the Johnson is the employer directly, but mostly they are just representing whoever wants the job done.

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main characters are technically criminals and mercenaries-for-hire, and most people who hire shadowrunners want to avoid publicly associating with them. Hence came the system of the "Mr. Johnson", a MysteriousEmployer responsible for directly contacting, hiring and paying the shadowrunners without their bosses getting anywhere near them. In some rare cases the Johnson is the employer directly, but mostly they are just representing whoever wants the job done.



*** Hestaby is known for not having a translator, instead using magic to project her voice magically.

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*** ** Hestaby is known for not having a translator, instead using magic to project her voice magically.



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* Metatron also shows up in the ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'' series, holding his usual role. YHVH does actually speak for himself in some of the earlier games, but starting with ''[[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIIINocturne Nocturne]]'' YHVH stopped taking direct action in the games' plots and now speaks exclusively through Metatron or one of his avatars.

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Metatron also shows up in the ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'' series, holding his usual role. YHVH does actually speak for himself in some of the earlier games, but starting with ''[[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIIINocturne Nocturne]]'' YHVH stopped taking direct action in the games' plots and now speaks exclusively through Metatron or one of his avatars.



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* Played with in ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'''s "The Crystal Empire" two-parter: King Sombra, a PresentAbsence-type villain like the original Sauron, obviously lacks the screentime to explain himself properly, and since he has no {{Mooks}} -- only [[spoiler:BlackMagic {{Booby Trap}}s]] -- all of the information about who he is and what he's capable of come from Celestia and Luna -- who fought him together 1,000 years ago -- and his SlaveRace the Crystal Ponies.
* Hammerhead from ''WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan''. Everyone knows that the Big Man of Crime is New York's most powerful ganglord, but because the Big Man keeps his true identity secret, he uses Hammerhead as his public face and voice of his organization. [[spoiler: Later in the second season, the Big Man loses confidence in Hammerhead's competence and takes direct control of his empire; this leads the insulted Hammerhead to become TheStarscream]].

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* Played In ''Podcast/TheAdventureZoneBalance'', whenever Merle calls a Parley with in ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'''s "The Crystal Empire" two-parter: King Sombra, a PresentAbsence-type villain like [[EldritchAbomination the original Sauron, obviously lacks Hunger]], the screentime to explain himself properly, and since he has no {{Mooks}} -- only [[spoiler:BlackMagic {{Booby Trap}}s]] -- all of the information about who he Hunger's representative is and what he's capable of come from Celestia and Luna -- who fought him together 1,000 years ago -- and his SlaveRace the Crystal Ponies.
* Hammerhead from ''WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan''. Everyone knows that the Big Man of Crime is New York's most powerful ganglord, but because the Big Man keeps his true identity secret, he uses Hammerhead as his public face and voice of his organization. [[spoiler: Later in the second season, the Big Man loses confidence in Hammerhead's competence and takes direct control of his empire; this leads the insulted Hammerhead to become TheStarscream]].
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* Played with in ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'''s "The Crystal Empire" two-parter: King Sombra, a PresentAbsence-type villain like the original Sauron, obviously lacks the screentime to explain himself properly, and since he has no {{Mooks}} -- only [[spoiler:BlackMagic {{Booby Trap}}s]] -- all of the information about who he is and what he's capable of come from Celestia and Luna -- who fought him together 1,000 years ago -- and his SlaveRace the Crystal Ponies.
* Hammerhead from ''WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan''. Everyone knows that the Big Man of Crime is New York's most powerful ganglord, but because the Big Man keeps his true identity secret, he uses Hammerhead as his public face and voice of his organization. [[spoiler: Later in the second season, the Big Man loses confidence in Hammerhead's competence and takes direct control of his empire; this leads the insulted Hammerhead to become TheStarscream]].
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