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21st Aug '16 11:01:22 AM nombretomado
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* From ''{{Drowtales}}'', [[http://wiki.drowtales.com/images/1/1a/Waessoloth.jpg Waes'soloth]], [[http://www.drowtales.com/mainarchive.php?order=chapters&id=94&overview=1&chibi=1&cover=1&extra=1&page=1&check=1 Quain'tana]], and [[http://www.drowtales.com/mainarchive.php?id=856 Ariel]] dress rather plainly for the matriarch of an ancient and powerful clan and the ruler and heiress to a mercenary empire, respectively. The Sharen clan, on the other hand, tend to have elaborate outfits and crowns, and other clan leaders do the same to show off their wealth.
** In the case of Ariel and Quain'tana, however, their clan is not as ancient as the other clans by a long shot, and Quain's reputation is as a fearsome LadyOfWar. In a society where anything can technically be considered armor, Quain's actual armor could be considered even MORE showy than the lavish dresses of the other clans. When you consider she's actively trying to subvert social norms, this makes sense.

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* From ''{{Drowtales}}'', ''Webcomic/{{Drowtales}}'': [[http://wiki.drowtales.com/images/1/1a/Waessoloth.jpg Waes'soloth]], [[http://www.drowtales.com/mainarchive.php?order=chapters&id=94&overview=1&chibi=1&cover=1&extra=1&page=1&check=1 Quain'tana]], and [[http://www.drowtales.com/mainarchive.php?id=856 Ariel]] dress rather plainly for the matriarch of an ancient and powerful clan and the ruler and heiress to a mercenary empire, respectively. The Sharen clan, on the other hand, tend to have elaborate outfits and crowns, and other clan leaders do the same to show off their wealth.
** In the case of Ariel and Quain'tana, however, their clan is not as ancient as the other clans by a long shot, and Quain's reputation is as a fearsome LadyOfWar. In a society where anything can technically be considered armor, Quain's actual armor could be considered even MORE showy than the lavish dresses of the other clans. When you consider she's actively trying to subvert social norms, this makes sense.
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12th Aug '16 1:39:54 PM Morgenthaler
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* Any royal that don't normally wear a crown.
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12th Aug '16 1:38:48 PM Morgenthaler
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* Jelaudin in ''[[{{Conqueror}} Bones of the Hills]]'' is an interesting case. When introduced, he's spent most of his life in fancy clothes, as befits the prince of Khwarezm. However, after Samarkand falls to the Mongols and the shah dies, he is reduced to wearing rags. He goes on to raise an army, largely by making a number of {{rousing speech}}es, and the fact that he doesn't wear fancy clothes is one of the things his men respect about him. Indeed, when offered the chance to wear something more fitting than rags, he refuses.
* Prince Josua from ''MemorySorrowAndThorn'' - admittedly only the King's brother, but quickly becomes the replacement of choice once Elias does his FaceHeelTurn. Known for his lack of ostentatious dressing and easily mistaken for someone of much lower status.
* The Prince of Dragonstone in George R Martin's ''The Hedge Knight'' (''ASongOfIceAndFire'' spinoff) - granted Duncan the Tall isn't the world's smartest Knight, but he manages to not be aware that he's talking to the Heir Apparent to the Targaryen king.

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* Jelaudin in ''[[{{Conqueror}} ''[[Literature/{{Conqueror}} Bones of the Hills]]'' is an interesting case. When introduced, he's spent most of his life in fancy clothes, as befits the prince of Khwarezm. However, after Samarkand falls to the Mongols and the shah dies, he is reduced to wearing rags. He goes on to raise an army, largely by making a number of {{rousing speech}}es, and the fact that he doesn't wear fancy clothes is one of the things his men respect about him. Indeed, when offered the chance to wear something more fitting than rags, he refuses.
* Prince Josua from ''MemorySorrowAndThorn'' ''Literature/MemorySorrowAndThorn'' - admittedly only the King's brother, but quickly becomes the replacement of choice once Elias does his FaceHeelTurn. Known for his lack of ostentatious dressing and easily mistaken for someone of much lower status.
* The Prince of Dragonstone in George R Martin's ''The Hedge Knight'' (''ASongOfIceAndFire'' (''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' spinoff) - granted Duncan the Tall isn't the world's smartest Knight, but he manages to not be aware that he's talking to the Heir Apparent to the Targaryen king.



** Notably, near the beginning of the ''{{Belgariad}}'', where Anheg, King of Cherek starts talking to Belgarath in a flowery, poetic language. Belgarath then responds with a sort of "what's up with the language, dude?" and the response is "well, we wanted it to look nice in the history books". From there on, though most characters are either royalty or nobility, only very corrupt nobles make a point of wearing their finery.

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** Notably, near the beginning of the ''{{Belgariad}}'', ''Literature/{{Belgariad}}'', where Anheg, King of Cherek starts talking to Belgarath in a flowery, poetic language. Belgarath then responds with a sort of "what's up with the language, dude?" and the response is "well, we wanted it to look nice in the history books". From there on, though most characters are either royalty or nobility, only very corrupt nobles make a point of wearing their finery.



** Partially employed in ''TheElenium''; while courtiers are often described wearing ornate and rather ridiculous court fashions, serious or competent nobles tend to downplay their finery to tasteful elegance instead of ermine and other ornate details. In fact, most respectable monarchs are described as disliking court functions precisely because they're so overblown. Ehlana is an exception; while she dresses sensibly enough, she likes court functions and the ErmineCapeEffect because of a neglectful and abusive childhood. Sparhawk actually has to ''force'' his wife to not issue him stylish clothing or a rapier.

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** Partially employed in ''TheElenium''; ''Literature/TheElenium''; while courtiers are often described wearing ornate and rather ridiculous court fashions, serious or competent nobles tend to downplay their finery to tasteful elegance instead of ermine and other ornate details. In fact, most respectable monarchs are described as disliking court functions precisely because they're so overblown. Ehlana is an exception; while she dresses sensibly enough, she likes court functions and the ErmineCapeEffect because of a neglectful and abusive childhood. Sparhawk actually has to ''force'' his wife to not issue him stylish clothing or a rapier.



* George R. R. Martin's ''ASongOfIceAndFire'':

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* George R. R. Martin's ''ASongOfIceAndFire'':''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'':



* The crowns of the Kings and Queens of ''{{Narnia}}'' are described as being simple circlets, rather than the traditional real-world style baroque monstrosities. The rest of their clothing is not mentioned in any detail, however except for Lewis emphasizing that in Narnia one's 'best' is also one's most comfortable clothes.

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* ''Literature/TheChroniclesOfNarnia'': The crowns of the Kings and Queens of ''{{Narnia}}'' Narnia are described as being simple circlets, rather than the traditional real-world style baroque monstrosities. The rest of their clothing is not mentioned in any detail, however except for Lewis emphasizing that in Narnia one's 'best' is also one's most comfortable clothes.



* [[{{Nightrunner}} Lynn Flewelling]] does this: in the ''Nightrunner'' books most of her queens and princesses run around in armor, riding clothes or appear at court in somewhat elaborate but modest dresses. The fanciest it gets is when Princess Klia has to do some negotiations with another nation. And it is fancy only because she wears tons of jewelry, and this is for tactical reasons (since the 'faie have an intricate gift culture: Klia has received most of said jewelry as welcome gifts and is more or less obliged to wear them. Aside of that such gifts are usually done by simply giving the necklace you wore yourself. Klia wears an arsenal of tactical maneuvres.)

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* [[{{Nightrunner}} Lynn Flewelling]] Flewelling does this: in the ''Nightrunner'' ''Literature/{{Nightrunner}}'' books most of her queens and princesses run around in armor, riding clothes or appear at court in somewhat elaborate but modest dresses. The fanciest it gets is when Princess Klia has to do some negotiations with another nation. And it is fancy only because she wears tons of jewelry, and this is for tactical reasons (since the 'faie have an intricate gift culture: Klia has received most of said jewelry as welcome gifts and is more or less obliged to wear them. Aside of that such gifts are usually done by simply giving the necklace you wore yourself. Klia wears an arsenal of tactical maneuvres.)



* ''SlaveOfTheHuns'' gives this treatment to AttilaTheHun. The main character envisions Attila in a hebuilt glamorous, borderline {{Camp}} attire, going into absurd details such as wearing gold rings on all of his fingers and toes, but it turns out he is dressed in rather modest clothes, that while showing that he is of higher status than the other Huns, is still considerably plain.
* Invoked by Yang Fu in ''RomanceOfTheThreeKingdoms''. When Cao Rui of Wei spends too much money on palaces, Yang Fu cites a number of precedents in history. On one hand were the kings and emperors who had modest palaces and were considered wise and left strong legacies. On the other were those who built extravagantly and lost their empire, or had their successors lose the empire. Rui ignores, and the Wei dynasty is eventually supplanted.

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* ''SlaveOfTheHuns'' ''Literature/SlaveOfTheHuns'' gives this treatment to AttilaTheHun.UsefulNotes/AttilaTheHun. The main character envisions Attila in a hebuilt glamorous, borderline {{Camp}} attire, going into absurd details such as wearing gold rings on all of his fingers and toes, but it turns out he is dressed in rather modest clothes, that while showing that he is of higher status than the other Huns, is still considerably plain.
* Invoked by Yang Fu in ''RomanceOfTheThreeKingdoms''.''Literature/RomanceOfTheThreeKingdoms''. When Cao Rui of Wei spends too much money on palaces, Yang Fu cites a number of precedents in history. On one hand were the kings and emperors who had modest palaces and were considered wise and left strong legacies. On the other were those who built extravagantly and lost their empire, or had their successors lose the empire. Rui ignores, and the Wei dynasty is eventually supplanted.



* [[Literature/TheBelgariad The Mallorean]] has Emperor Zakath who, in complete contrast to the opulence of the palace he lives in (he inherited it that way rather than creating it to be such), dresses in such a simple white robe that it's easy for him to travel through his empire as a KingIncognito (even the streets of his own capital city). And once he grows a beard, even people who had met him in person have trouble recognising him, such is his lack of pomp.

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* [[Literature/TheBelgariad The Mallorean]] ''Literature/TheMallorean'' has Emperor Zakath who, in complete contrast to the opulence of the palace he lives in (he inherited it that way rather than creating it to be such), dresses in such a simple white robe that it's easy for him to travel through his empire as a KingIncognito (even the streets of his own capital city). And once he grows a beard, even people who had met him in person have trouble recognising him, such is his lack of pomp.
8th Aug '16 3:29:55 AM CH4S
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** The [[https://www.rnw.org/archive/faq-dutch-royalty Dutch Royal Family's FAQs page (in English)]] describes, for example that "The Dutch don't coronate or 'crown' their monarch, but inhuldigen (install) them. It's an event similar to the inauguration of a President. The current monarch, Queen Beatrix, was inaugurated in 1980". Additionally, the monarch and members of the royal family pay income tax as well as taxes on assets that are not exempted by the Royal House Finances Act. But what truly stands out is the following quote:
--> '''Question:''' Where can I see the crown jewels?
--> '''Answer:''' Since there is none, you can't. The royal family, as an institution, doesn't own any crown jewels.
4th Aug '16 3:44:49 PM Anorgil
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Compare RoyalsWhoActuallyDoSomething, SimpleYetOpulent.

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Compare RoyalsWhoActuallyDoSomething, SimpleYetOpulent.
SimpleYetOpulent, JustTheFirstCitizen.
3rd Aug '16 5:19:57 AM bionichamster
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* Ga Jiarg, [[InsistentTerminology former]] prince of the Kingdom of Wroth, from ''VideoGame/XenobladeChroniclesX''. He [[DontCallMeSir cares little for titles]], always puts himself [[RoyalsWhoActuallyDoSomething right on the front lines]] of battle and after [[spoiler:defecting from the Ganglion]] considers himself a "Mercenary Warlord" at best. Despite, or perhaps because of this, everyone except [[BigBad Lux]][[FatBastard aar]] shows him the utmost respect with his subjects usually referring to him as "Prince Jiarg" when talking about him, or "My Prince" when talking to him.

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* Ga Jiarg, [[InsistentTerminology former]] prince of the Kingdom of Wroth, from ''VideoGame/XenobladeChroniclesX''.''VideoGame/XenobladeChroniclesX'' who is never seen wearing anything aside from his armour. He [[DontCallMeSir cares little for titles]], always puts himself [[RoyalsWhoActuallyDoSomething right on the front lines]] of battle and after [[spoiler:defecting from the Ganglion]] considers himself a "Mercenary Warlord" at best. Despite, or perhaps because of this, everyone except [[BigBad Lux]][[FatBastard aar]] shows him the utmost respect with his subjects usually referring to him as "Prince Jiarg" when talking about him, or "My Prince" when talking to him.
3rd Aug '16 5:15:44 AM bionichamster
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* Ga Jiarg, [[InsistentTerminology former]] prince of the Kingdom of Wroth, from ''VideoGame/XenobladeChroniclesX''. He [[DontCallMeSir cares little for titles]], always puts himself [[RoyalsWhoActuallyDoSomething right on the front lines]] of battle and after [[spoiler:defecting from the Ganglion]] considers himself a "Mercenary Warlord" at best. Despite, or perhaps because of this, everyone except [[BigBad Lux]][[FatBastard aar]] shows him the utmost respect with his subjects usually referring to him as "Prince Jiarg" when talking about him, or "My Prince" when talking to him.
30th Jul '16 2:47:39 PM Steven
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* PrincessPeach in the ''Franchise/SuperMarioBros'' universe always wears a simple pink dress, gloves, earrings, and a small crown. She never wears anything flashy. Daisy and Rosalina also follow a similar trend.
26th Jul '16 4:25:49 PM nombretomado
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* Arthur in ''ArthurKingOfTimeAndSpace'' wears an ordinary-looking tunic and cloak in the baseline arc, saving the ermine robe for ceremonial occasions like his wedding. In the space arc he wears the same uniform as everyone else.

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* Arthur in ''ArthurKingOfTimeAndSpace'' ''Webcomic/ArthurKingOfTimeAndSpace'' wears an ordinary-looking tunic and cloak in the baseline arc, saving the ermine robe for ceremonial occasions like his wedding. In the space arc he wears the same uniform as everyone else.



* [[WhateleyUniverse Whateley Academy]] has Jobe Wilkins, an AffablyEvil MadScientist who also happens to be the Crown Prince (later Princess) of Karedonia. While not modest in any normal sense (the genius son of a supervillain, he naturally has a colossal ego) he surprisingly does not insist on his royal titles or prerogatives and is perfectly happy wearing "normal" clothes or even the school uniform -- at least [[AManOfWealthAndTaste as long as they are custom tailored in natural fabrics.]]

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* [[WhateleyUniverse [[Literature/WhateleyUniverse Whateley Academy]] has Jobe Wilkins, an AffablyEvil MadScientist who also happens to be the Crown Prince (later Princess) of Karedonia. While not modest in any normal sense (the genius son of a supervillain, he naturally has a colossal ego) he surprisingly does not insist on his royal titles or prerogatives and is perfectly happy wearing "normal" clothes or even the school uniform -- at least [[AManOfWealthAndTaste as long as they are custom tailored in natural fabrics.]]
24th Jul '16 1:00:59 AM Hylarn
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* Empress Yui of ''Anime/RegaliaTheThreeSacredStars'' lives like a fairly normal highschool student most of the time.

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* Empress Yui of ''Anime/RegaliaTheThreeSacredStars'' lives and dresses like a fairly normal highschool student most of the time.
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