History Main / MedievalStasis

16th Jun '17 11:03:20 PM ApeAccount
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* Franchise/PlanetOfTheApes had ape society. Though some apes are seen using basic guns, their technology is mostly medieval. This is true in the TV series set in 3085, the first movie set in 3978 and the last movie (of the original continuity) set in the early 21st century with some scenes in 2670. Even clothing styles stay the same. This is complicated by the fact that the place of the TV series in the film continuity (if at all) isn't confirmed and the fact that it's uncertain whether the movies are in a closed time loop (so whether the society in the early 21st century becomes the one in 3978). The animated series did actually show ape society with 20th century technology.



* There are, even today, a number of isolated societies that have never gone beyond a hunter-gatherer lifestyle, for the simple reason that the regions they live in lack native animal and plant species that can easily be domesticated in order to facilitate a shift to herding or agriculture and in most cases those areas are also not conductive of farming or herding anyway due to lack of rainfall or other factors (which is why some other group that did practice herding or agriculture never bothered to come and take the land).

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* There are, even today, a number of isolated societies that have never gone beyond a hunter-gatherer lifestyle, for the simple reason that the regions they live in lack native animal and plant species that can easily easnorily be domesticated in order to facilitate a shift to herding or agriculture and in most cases those areas are also not conductive of farming or herding anyway due to lack of rainfall or other factors (which is why some other group that did practice herding or agriculture never bothered to come and take the land).
15th Jun '17 5:28:41 AM ApeAccount
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** The Goa'uld are shown in ancient Egypt sequences as using the same technology as they do in the regular episodes. In the time that humans went from simple bows to nuclear missiles, the Goa'uld haven't added trigger guards to their guns. This is justified by Goa'uld culture being antithetical to good scientific practice (although Goa'uld scientists like Nirrti and Nerus do exist), and all their technology being stolen anyway, but to be this extreme, they need to be quite the PlanetOfHats. It's shown a few times that some isolated worlds, free from Goa'uld control, had actually advanced ''further'' technologically than humans on Earth.

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** The Goa'uld are shown in ancient Egypt sequences as using the same technology as they do in the regular episodes. In the time that humans went from simple bows to nuclear missiles, the Goa'uld haven't added trigger guards to their guns. This is justified by Goa'uld culture being antithetical to good scientific practice (although Goa'uld scientists like Nirrti and Nerus do exist), and all their technology being stolen anyway, but to be this extreme, they need to be quite the PlanetOfHats. It's shown a few times that some isolated worlds, free from Goa'uld control, had actually advanced ''further'' technologically than humans on Earth. Notably the Tollan (humans transplanted from Earth with whatever level of technology they had at the time), had developed some technology which was more advanced than the Goa'uld.
23rd May '17 3:00:02 PM HeroicJay
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** Across the franchise (most notably in ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaSkywardSword'' and ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaBreathOfTheWild'') there is evidence that previous generations had technology that would be considered advanced even in the modern-day real world (such as artificially-intelligent robots.) Even the Beamos enemy, which is present in most games, is evidence of this. Apparently, life in Hyrule swings between incredibly advanced technology and either SchizoTech or nearly no technology at all, and most of the games happen to take place in the latter eras.
20th May '17 5:26:17 PM nombretomado
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* The [[TheWarGods Bahzell]] series, being a Fantasy Series, actually strives to avoid this at all costs. The Author has said as much as he's tired of fantasy novels being written as Luddite sounding. The original Empire of Ottovar was rather {{Magitek}} in nature, instead of their being a grand total of one wizard and barely enough mages to be worth anything, there were entire orders of Wizards, with most people of noble blood being noble because they were wizards (the king and queen founding the Empire being the two greatest wizards of all time). The Magitek was very advanced, but the Empire was limit to only the continent of Kontovar due to the Dragons forbidding Wizards from colonizing Norfressa after the original Wizard War. There was evidence of gradual advancement, as the Warlocks and Witches became the elves, and much research was done (including Time Travel!). The Dwarves are at the cusp of the industrial revolution with Bessemer ovens and shock absorbers but still no steam engines. Until recently they were trying to recreate what they knew was possible but without the help of Wizards (before large scale steel production required the help of a Wizard to do it).

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* The [[TheWarGods Bahzell]] ''[[Literature/TheWarGods Bahzell]]'' series, being a Fantasy Series, actually strives to avoid this at all costs. The Author has said as much as he's tired of fantasy novels being written as Luddite sounding. The original Empire of Ottovar was rather {{Magitek}} in nature, instead of their being a grand total of one wizard and barely enough mages to be worth anything, there were entire orders of Wizards, with most people of noble blood being noble because they were wizards (the king and queen founding the Empire being the two greatest wizards of all time). The Magitek was very advanced, but the Empire was limit to only the continent of Kontovar due to the Dragons forbidding Wizards from colonizing Norfressa after the original Wizard War. There was evidence of gradual advancement, as the Warlocks and Witches became the elves, and much research was done (including Time Travel!). The Dwarves are at the cusp of the industrial revolution with Bessemer ovens and shock absorbers but still no steam engines. Until recently they were trying to recreate what they knew was possible but without the help of Wizards (before large scale steel production required the help of a Wizard to do it).
20th May '17 6:17:57 AM RustyBill
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* The political, social and technological organization of Japan remained unchanged the same from 1600 to 1853 -while the rest of the world changed- but this was mostly intentional, due to legally enforced restrictions (known in Japanese as the ''Sakoku'' or 'closed-nation' policy, though the term has fallen out of use in favour of 'isolationism'). The basic structure of Japanese society and state remained largely unchanged through the Feudal period, 1185-1868, though the 'warring states' period that immediately preceded the rise of the Tokugawa Shogunate saw a lot of (upward) social mobility.

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* The political, social and technological organization of Japan remained unchanged the same from 1600 to 1853 -while the rest of the world changed- but this was mostly intentional, due to legally enforced restrictions (known in Japanese as the ''Sakoku'' or 'closed-nation' policy, though the term has fallen out of use in favour of 'isolationism'). The basic structure of Japanese society and state remained largely unchanged through the Feudal period, 1185-1868, though the 'warring states' period that immediately preceded the rise of the Tokugawa Shogunate saw a lot of (upward) social mobility.
20th May '17 5:32:46 AM Kingault
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** For the overwhelming majority of human existence, as "modern humans" and before, humanity used stone tools. Copper, bronze, iron, steel and more advanced technologies came in "the last 5 minutes" or so of our species "technological clock".

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** For the overwhelming majority of human existence, as "modern humans" and before, humanity used stone tools. Copper, bronze, iron, steel and more advanced technologies came in "the last 5 minutes" or so of our species species' "technological clock".
13th May '17 12:18:37 PM nombretomado
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* Averted in ''LuminousArc2'', where lapis-based science and technology was notably being used and developed in Carnava. A few scientists also mentioned steam-power energy from foreign countries without magic.

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* Averted in ''LuminousArc2'', ''VideoGame/LuminousArc2'', where lapis-based science and technology was notably being used and developed in Carnava. A few scientists also mentioned steam-power energy from foreign countries without magic.
11th May '17 11:18:20 AM BoggleMeBrainCells
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* In ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'', technology hasn't advanced in any significant way during the last couple of millennia. The author has hinted that there's a sinister, plot-important reason why technology has stagnated. Several characters also point out that history books tend to inflate numbers and use anachronistic terms, suggesting that historical events weren't as distant or as medieval as they're described. Politically, in Westeros at least, the same families ruled roughly the same territories from the same castles for millenia, from prehistory until the present day. The youngest of the major houses were put in place when the truly ancient ones they replaced died off a few centuries before the "present day" of the series.

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* In ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'', technology hasn't advanced in any significant way during ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' averts this by casting doubt on the last couple of millennia. The author has hinted that there's a sinister, plot-important reason why technology has stagnated. Several characters also point out that history books tend to inflate numbers and use anachronistic terms, suggesting that in-world historical events weren't as distant or records. Although Westerosi history seems to suggest medieval stasis at first glance, it appears more likely that this is a combination of legendary history and Westerosi historians projecting their own culture onto historical figures (by casting historical persons as medieval as they're described. Politically, in Westeros at least, the same families ruled roughly the same territories from the same castles for millenia, from prehistory until the present day. The youngest knights and lords, when they were likely nothing of the major houses were put sort). This is shown most explicitly in place when a Sam chapter early in A Feast for Crows, where he complains that the truly ancient ones they replaced died off historical records are full of kings who reigned for hundreds of years and "knights riding around a few centuries thousand years before the "present day" of the series.there were knights". Although, why Sam knows better than other historians in this regard is never explained.
7th May '17 10:03:15 AM Materioptikon
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** An aversion comes from the Moriya Shrine characters, who transferred to Gensokyo from the Outside World relatively recently and are attempting to introduce more advanced technology like hydroelectric dams and even nuclear power. This isn't just for Gensokyo's advancement but because Kanako, one of the shrine's patron goddesses, wants to shift her godly domain to technology so she can [[GodsNeedPrayerBadly get more worship]]; she's also the one responsible for the aforementioned hell-crow. However, when they discuss this in one of the official manga, Kanako remarks that it'll take a few generations for any of their ideas (even lesser ones like a cable car) to be implemented. However, by pooling together resources with the tengu and the kappa, she's able to successfully build her cable car just a few years later with a minimum of fuss; earlier, she was unable to execute the plan by herself.

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** An aversion comes from the Moriya Shrine characters, who transferred to Gensokyo from the Outside World relatively recently and are attempting to introduce more advanced technology like hydroelectric dams and even nuclear power. This isn't just for Gensokyo's advancement but because Kanako, one of the shrine's patron goddesses, wants to shift her godly domain to technology so she can [[GodsNeedPrayerBadly get more worship]]; she's also the one responsible for the aforementioned hell-crow. However, when they discuss this in one of the official manga, Kanako remarks that it'll take a few generations for any of their ideas (even lesser ones like a cable car) to be implemented. However, Nevertheless, by pooling together resources with the tengu and the kappa, she's able to successfully build her cable car just a few years later with a minimum of fuss; earlier, she was unable to execute the plan by herself.
7th May '17 10:01:15 AM Materioptikon
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** An attempted avertsion comes from the Moriya Shrine characters, who transferred to Gensokyo from the Outside World relatively recently and are attempting to introduce more advanced technology like hydroelectric dams and even nuclear power. This isn't just for Gensokyo's advancement but because Kanako, one of the shrine's patron goddesses, wants to shift her godly domain to technology so she can [[GodsNeedPrayerBadly get more worship]]; she's also the one responsible for the aforementioned hell-crow. However, when they discuss this in one of the official manga, Kanako remarks that it'll take a few generations for any of their ideas (even lesser ones like a cable car) to be implemented.

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** An attempted avertsion aversion comes from the Moriya Shrine characters, who transferred to Gensokyo from the Outside World relatively recently and are attempting to introduce more advanced technology like hydroelectric dams and even nuclear power. This isn't just for Gensokyo's advancement but because Kanako, one of the shrine's patron goddesses, wants to shift her godly domain to technology so she can [[GodsNeedPrayerBadly get more worship]]; she's also the one responsible for the aforementioned hell-crow. However, when they discuss this in one of the official manga, Kanako remarks that it'll take a few generations for any of their ideas (even lesser ones like a cable car) to be implemented. However, by pooling together resources with the tengu and the kappa, she's able to successfully build her cable car just a few years later with a minimum of fuss; earlier, she was unable to execute the plan by herself.
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