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30th May '16 4:46:13 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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* In ''TheSwordOfTruth'' one of the morals is [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop "People are stupid"]] and boy does it show. From the first book, there's a crowd of people being moved to tears by Michael's impassioned speech about the evils of ''fire''. The Mud People, despite living for generations in a place where it rains all the time, have somehow never figured out how to make roofs that don't leak. And there's the group of peasants sent by Darken Rahl to attack Zedd in the belief he's a witch. First he tells them the term is warlock. Then he talks the angry mob into having a ''brainstorming session'' about all the terrible things warlocks can do until they get scared and give up.

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* In ''TheSwordOfTruth'' ''Literature/TheSwordOfTruth'' one of the morals is [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop "People are stupid"]] and boy does it show. From the first book, there's a crowd of people being moved to tears by Michael's impassioned speech about the evils of ''fire''. The Mud People, despite living for generations in a place where it rains all the time, have somehow never figured out how to make roofs that don't leak. And there's the group of peasants sent by Darken Rahl to attack Zedd in the belief he's a witch. First he tells them the term is warlock. Then he talks the angry mob into having a ''brainstorming session'' about all the terrible things warlocks can do until they get scared and give up.
24th Apr '16 8:14:00 PM Fireblood
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* The best expression of this trope is the flat-earth myth. No, medieval Europeans didn't think the Earth was flat. Europeans learned that the Earth was round during the time of AncientGreece and that knowledge was never lost. The idea that belief in a flat Earth was widespread during the Middle Ages appears to have been invented during the 19th century, for the purpose of giving a HistoricalHeroUpgrade to UsefulNotes/ChristopherColumbus and casting him as a proto-Enlightenment thinker who achieved glory by challenging medieval superstition. In reality, it was Columbus who made a huge error over the size of the Earth, claiming one could sail directly from Spain to India. His detractors (including clergy members) rightly said it was far larger and this couldn't be done. His fleet almost ran out of food and his sailors had gotten to the edge of mutiny when they ran into the Americas.

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* The best expression of this trope is the flat-earth myth. No, medieval Europeans didn't think the Earth was flat. Europeans learned that the Earth was round during the time of AncientGreece and that knowledge was never lost. The idea that belief in a flat Earth was widespread during the Middle Ages appears to have been invented during the 19th century, for the purpose of giving a HistoricalHeroUpgrade to UsefulNotes/ChristopherColumbus and casting him as a proto-Enlightenment thinker who achieved glory by challenging medieval superstition. In reality, it was Columbus who made a huge error over the size of the Earth, claiming one could sail directly from Spain to India. His detractors (including clergy members) rightly said it was far larger and this couldn't be done. His fleet almost ran out of food and his the sailors had gotten to the edge of mutiny when they ran into the Americas.
24th Apr '16 8:13:32 PM Fireblood
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* The best expression of this trope is the flat-earth myth. No, medieval Europeans didn't think the Earth was flat. Europeans learned that the Earth was round during the time of AncientGreece and that knowledge was never lost. The idea that belief in a flat Earth was widespread during the Middle Ages appears to have been invented during the 19th century, for the purpose of giving a HistoricalHeroUpgrade to UsefulNotes/ChristopherColumbus and casting him as a proto-Enlightenment thinker who achieved glory by challenging medieval superstition.

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* The best expression of this trope is the flat-earth myth. No, medieval Europeans didn't think the Earth was flat. Europeans learned that the Earth was round during the time of AncientGreece and that knowledge was never lost. The idea that belief in a flat Earth was widespread during the Middle Ages appears to have been invented during the 19th century, for the purpose of giving a HistoricalHeroUpgrade to UsefulNotes/ChristopherColumbus and casting him as a proto-Enlightenment thinker who achieved glory by challenging medieval superstition. In reality, it was Columbus who made a huge error over the size of the Earth, claiming one could sail directly from Spain to India. His detractors (including clergy members) rightly said it was far larger and this couldn't be done. His fleet almost ran out of food and his sailors had gotten to the edge of mutiny when they ran into the Americas.
24th Apr '16 8:02:44 PM Fireblood
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** Also an {{Inverted|Trope}}. The medieval English are able to repeatedly outsmart and deceive super-advanced aliens. It's not too ridiculous as the Wersgor are implied to have fallen into an intellectual rut since they became a galactic superpower, whereas Sir Roger, the leader of the English, has had to become a MagnificentBastard from an early age just to have a hope of surviving the perils of European courtly politics.

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** Also an {{Inverted|Trope}}.{{inverted}}. The medieval English are able to repeatedly outsmart and deceive super-advanced aliens. It's not too ridiculous as the Wersgor are implied to have fallen into an intellectual rut since they became a galactic superpower, whereas Sir Roger, the leader of the English, has had to become a MagnificentBastard from an early age just to have a hope of surviving the perils of European courtly politics.



* Taking place as it does in a quasi-medieval mishmash of an era, Literature/{{Discworld}} plays around with this trope quite a bit. That said, even towards the more peasantry, circa 1400 mindset parts, people tend to just be people.

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* Taking place as it does in a quasi-medieval mishmash of an era, Literature/{{Discworld}} plays around with this trope quite a bit. That said, even towards the more peasantry, peasantry circa 1400 mindset parts, parts people tend to just be people.



* In ''TheSwordOfTruth'' one of the morals is [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop "People are stupid"]] and boy does it show. From the first book, there's a crowd of people being moved to tears by Michael's impassioned speech about the evils of ''fire''. The Mud People, despite living for generations in a place where it rains all the time, have somehow never figured out how to make roofs that don't leak. And there's the group of peasants sent by Darken Rahl to attack Zedd on the belief he's a witch. First he tells them the term is warlock. Then he talks the angry mob into having a ''brainstorming session'' about all the terrible things warlocks can do until they get scared and give up.

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* In ''TheSwordOfTruth'' one of the morals is [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop "People are stupid"]] and boy does it show. From the first book, there's a crowd of people being moved to tears by Michael's impassioned speech about the evils of ''fire''. The Mud People, despite living for generations in a place where it rains all the time, have somehow never figured out how to make roofs that don't leak. And there's the group of peasants sent by Darken Rahl to attack Zedd on in the belief he's a witch. First he tells them the term is warlock. Then he talks the angry mob into having a ''brainstorming session'' about all the terrible things warlocks can do until they get scared and give up.
24th Apr '16 7:57:13 PM Fireblood
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* The two protagonists of ''Film/LesVisiteurs'', Jacquouille in particular. It's not helped by the fact that they have travelled time from their era, the 12th century, to the 20th century. [[FishOutOfTemporalWater The medieval way they interact with 20th century life constantly gets them in trouble]]. For instance, they utterly destroy a postal van, thinking it to be a devil-powered cart driven by a Saracen (a black postman actually).

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* The two protagonists of ''Film/LesVisiteurs'', Jacquouille in particular. It's not helped by the fact that they have travelled time from their era, the 12th century, to the 20th century. [[FishOutOfTemporalWater The medieval way they interact with 20th century life constantly gets them in trouble]]. For instance, they utterly destroy a postal van, thinking it to be a devil-powered cart driven by a Saracen (a (he's a black postman actually).



** In the remake, ''Film/JustVisiting'', they destroy a VW Beetle, thinking it's a dragon. . Upon seeing the displaced villain from the present time, they gaze at him with stupid wonder while wielding crosses. They flee in terror when the cellphone they took from him starts ringing.

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** In the remake, ''Film/JustVisiting'', they destroy a VW Beetle, thinking it's a dragon. . Upon seeing the displaced villain from the present time, they gaze at him with stupid wonder while wielding crosses. They flee in terror when the cellphone they took from him starts ringing.



* {{Averted}} in Creator/MichaelCrichton's ''Literature/{{Timeline}}''. In this book, the time travelers are often outwitted and outmatched by the natives. A consistent theme is that while the time travelers possess modern knowledge, they do not have the skills or resources to survive in the more primitive environment. Of particular note is that Crichton specifically details the natives' sanitation practices. Lack of awareness of bacteria did not prevent them from attending to hygiene, averting the stereotype of "living in filth".

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* {{Averted}} in Creator/MichaelCrichton's ''Literature/{{Timeline}}''. In this book, the time travelers are often outwitted and outmatched by the natives. A consistent theme is that while the time travelers possess modern knowledge, they do not have the skills or resources to survive in the more primitive environment. Of particular note is that Crichton specifically details the natives' sanitation practices. Lack of awareness of bacteria did not prevent them from attending to hygiene, averting the stereotype of "living in filth". On the other hand there are some pretty disgusting things, such as the tannery, that were TruthInTelevision.



* Subverted in the Creator/PoulAnderson novel ''Literature/TheHighCrusade''. [[ScaryDogmaticAliens A high-tech alien empire]] is brought to its knees [[RockBeatsLaser by a 14th century English army]]. The Medieval characters naturally view things through a Medieval lens (the aliens are initially mistaken for demons), but are very capable and clever. In fact [[spoiler:not only do the Crusaders end up conquering the aliens, they convert them to both feudalism and Christianity]] by the end. Unfortunately, the movie played this trope nearly completely straight.

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* Subverted {{Subverted}} in the Creator/PoulAnderson novel ''Literature/TheHighCrusade''. [[ScaryDogmaticAliens A high-tech alien empire]] is brought to its knees [[RockBeatsLaser by a 14th century English army]]. The Medieval characters naturally view things through a Medieval lens (the aliens are initially mistaken for demons), but are very capable and clever. In fact [[spoiler:not only do the Crusaders end up conquering the aliens, they convert them to both feudalism and Christianity]] by the end. Unfortunately, the movie played this trope nearly completely straight.
24th Apr '16 7:46:37 PM Fireblood
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** The Pythons were aware this wasn't really the case-Terry Jones is a medieval historian in fact, and [[https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=ELGXxQQqRaQHA hosted a series]] later about it.

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** The Pythons were aware this wasn't really the case-Terry Jones is a medieval historian in fact, and [[https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=ELGXxQQqRaQHA hosted a series]] later about it.it, which specifically pointed out that it's a more sophisticated, complex period than is thought by many.
24th Apr '16 7:43:33 PM Fireblood
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** The Pythons were aware this wasn't really the case-Terry Jones is a medieval historian in fact, and [[https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=ELGXxQQqRaQHA hosted a series]] later about it.
10th Apr '16 10:26:52 AM Faberlich
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* The two protagonists of ''Film/LesVisiteurs'', Jacquouille in particular. It's not helped by the fact that they have travelled time from their era, the 12th century, to the 20th century. [[FishOutOfTemporalWater the medieval way they interact with 20th century life constantly gets them in trouble]]. For instance, they utterly destroy a postal van, thinking it to be a devil-powered cart driven by a Saracen (a black postman actually).

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* The two protagonists of ''Film/LesVisiteurs'', Jacquouille in particular. It's not helped by the fact that they have travelled time from their era, the 12th century, to the 20th century. [[FishOutOfTemporalWater the The medieval way they interact with 20th century life constantly gets them in trouble]]. For instance, they utterly destroy a postal van, thinking it to be a devil-powered cart driven by a Saracen (a black postman actually).
10th Apr '16 10:26:15 AM Faberlich
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* The two protagonists of ''Film/LesVisiteurs'', Jacquouille in particular. It's not helped by the fact that they have travelled time to the 20th century, [[FishOutOfTemporalWater the medieval way they see 20th century life constantly gets them in trouble]]. For instance, they utterly destroy a postal van, thinking it to be a devil-powered cart driven by a Saracen (a black postman actually).

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* The two protagonists of ''Film/LesVisiteurs'', Jacquouille in particular. It's not helped by the fact that they have travelled time from their era, the 12th century, to the 20th century, century. [[FishOutOfTemporalWater the medieval way they see interact with 20th century life constantly gets them in trouble]]. For instance, they utterly destroy a postal van, thinking it to be a devil-powered cart driven by a Saracen (a black postman actually).
10th Apr '16 10:24:40 AM Faberlich
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* The two protagonists of ''Film/LesVisiteurs'', Jacquouille in particular. For instance, they utterly destroy a postal van, thinking it to be a devil-powered cart driven by a Saracen (a black postman actually).

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* The two protagonists of ''Film/LesVisiteurs'', Jacquouille in particular. It's not helped by the fact that they have travelled time to the 20th century, [[FishOutOfTemporalWater the medieval way they see 20th century life constantly gets them in trouble]]. For instance, they utterly destroy a postal van, thinking it to be a devil-powered cart driven by a Saracen (a black postman actually).
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