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19th Sep '17 10:00:12 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** Subverted in ''Literature/TheOnesWhoWalkAwayFromOmelas'', where Omelas starts out looking like a ridiculously perfect utopia, until we learn [[PoweredByAForsakenChild it hides a dark secret]]. The big twist is in the set-up, with the narrator that is singing the praises of Omelas [[GenreSavvy knows perfectly well that people just cannot believe that such a city can exist without some kind of dark secret]], so he drops the description of [[spoiler:the child that is brutalized to the point of brain death for the sake of keeping the rest of the townspeople content]] with a "there you go, a horrible flaw in the system! [[ArmorPiercingQuestion Are you people happy now? Is it "realistic" enough for you now?]]" flair.

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** Subverted in ''Literature/TheOnesWhoWalkAwayFromOmelas'', where Omelas starts out looking like a ridiculously perfect utopia, until we learn [[PoweredByAForsakenChild it hides a dark secret]]. The big twist is in the set-up, with the narrator that is singing the praises of Omelas [[GenreSavvy knows perfectly well that people just cannot believe that such a city can exist without some kind of dark secret]], secret, so he drops the description of [[spoiler:the child that is brutalized to the point of brain death for the sake of keeping the rest of the townspeople content]] with a "there you go, a horrible flaw in the system! [[ArmorPiercingQuestion Are you people happy now? Is it "realistic" enough for you now?]]" flair.
5th Sep '17 7:22:37 AM HighCrate
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* ''Literature/FromTheNewWorld'' is a particularly {{deconstruction}} of this trope, of the EveryoneIsASuper variety. Some suetopias might believe that when everyone has both psychic powers and self-restraint, the world will be a nice place. Things don't work that way here.

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* %%* ''Literature/FromTheNewWorld'' is a particularly {{deconstruction}} of this trope, of the EveryoneIsASuper variety. Some suetopias might believe that when everyone has both psychic powers and self-restraint, the world will be a nice place. Things don't work that way here.
4th Sep '17 9:23:19 PM Peteman
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* ''Literature/FromTheNewWorld'' is a particularly brutal {{deconstruction}} of this trope, of the EveryoneIsASuper variety. Some suetopias might believe that when everyone has both psychic powers and self-restraint, the world will be a nice place. Things don't work that way here.

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* ''Literature/FromTheNewWorld'' is a particularly brutal {{deconstruction}} of this trope, of the EveryoneIsASuper variety. Some suetopias might believe that when everyone has both psychic powers and self-restraint, the world will be a nice place. Things don't work that way here.
28th Aug '17 10:45:21 PM marcoasalazarm
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** A mini-series [[ComicBook/SecretWars2015 within the same crossover event]], "Where Monsters Dwell", showcases a NubileSavage (pretty much all clones of the "ComicBook/ShannaTheSheDevil" mini-series by Frank Cho) feminist Mary Sue-Topia, invincible in combat, all women are empowered and the like... the deconstructive twist is that it's a place only a sociopathic FemmeFatale would actually love.

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** A mini-series [[ComicBook/SecretWars2015 within the same crossover event]], "Where Monsters Dwell", showcases a NubileSavage (pretty much all clones of the "ComicBook/ShannaTheSheDevil" as she appears on the mini-series by Frank Cho) feminist Mary Sue-Topia, invincible in combat, all women are empowered and the like... the deconstructive twist is that it's a place only a sociopathic FemmeFatale would actually love.
28th Aug '17 10:40:14 PM PaulA
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* Subverted in Creator/UrsulaKLeGuin's ''Literature/TheOnesWhoWalkAwayFromOmelas'', where Omelas starts out looking like a ridiculously perfect utopia, until we learn [[PoweredByAForsakenChild it hides a dark secret]]. The big twist is in the set-up, with the narrator that is singing the praises of Omelas [[GenreSavvy knows perfectly well that people just cannot believe that such a city can exist without some kind of dark secret]], so he drops the description of [[spoiler:the child that is brutalized to the point of brain death for the sake of keeping the rest of the townspeople content]] with a "there you go, a horrible flaw in the system! [[ArmorPiercingQuestion Are you people happy now? Is it "realistic" enough for you now?]]" flair. Le Guin likes subverting this trope. Anarres in ''Literature/TheDispossessed'' also appears to be an example of this at first glance, but as we progress through the plot we learn that, while it is better in many ways than either of the dominant powers on Urras, it is still pretty damn flawed, and becoming worse.

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* Subverted in Creator/UrsulaKLeGuin's works:
** Subverted in
''Literature/TheOnesWhoWalkAwayFromOmelas'', where Omelas starts out looking like a ridiculously perfect utopia, until we learn [[PoweredByAForsakenChild it hides a dark secret]]. The big twist is in the set-up, with the narrator that is singing the praises of Omelas [[GenreSavvy knows perfectly well that people just cannot believe that such a city can exist without some kind of dark secret]], so he drops the description of [[spoiler:the child that is brutalized to the point of brain death for the sake of keeping the rest of the townspeople content]] with a "there you go, a horrible flaw in the system! [[ArmorPiercingQuestion Are you people happy now? Is it "realistic" enough for you now?]]" flair. Le Guin likes subverting this trope. flair.
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Anarres in ''Literature/TheDispossessed'' also appears to be an example of this at first glance, but as we progress through the plot we learn that, while it is better in many ways than either of the dominant powers on Urras, it is still pretty damn flawed, and becoming worse.
22nd Aug '17 8:31:08 PM marcoasalazarm
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** A mini-series [[ComicBook/SecretWars2015 within the same crossover event]], "Where Monsters Dwell", showcases a NubileSavage (pretty much all clones of the "ComicBook/ShannaTheSheDevil" mini-series by Frank Cho) feminist Mary Sue-Topia, invincible in combat, all women are empowered and the like... the deconstructive twist is that it's a place only a sociopathic FemmeFatale would actually love.



* The author of ''Fanfic/ChildOfTheStorm'' has remarked that he's intentionally subverting this with Wakanda, as opposed to its usual status of near invincibility - while it has some very snappy technology and a near unique knack for melding technology and magic, it isn't even close to invincible. While it did things like resist all attempts at colonisation, beating back invaders, that happened in the real world. The Battle of Isandlwanha, where a Zulu army [[CurbstompBattle crushed]] an invading British army, is cited (though it is noted that the rest of the war didn't go quite so well for the Zulus), and the geography of Wakanda is noted as helping. Plus, you know, its armies being led by at least one [[OneManArmy Captain America level superhuman.]] Thanks to its isolationist history, it also has very poor diplomatic and economic links with the rest of the world, which means that it's largely incapable of exerting its will beyond its borders. Plus, in chapter 70, HYDRA's assault team [[spoiler: led by Baron Zemo]] is shown to be capable of penetrating Wakandan air space, reaching [[spoiler: the Vibranium mound and carting off tons of the stuff.]]
** And after HYDRA's defeat, [[spoiler: Peter Wisdom points out very bluntly that he doesn't actually have to give T'Challa any of the reclaimed Vibranium back and T'Challa has no way of forcing him to.]]

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* The author of ''Fanfic/ChildOfTheStorm'' has remarked that he's intentionally subverting this with Wakanda, as opposed to its usual status of near invincibility - while it has some very snappy technology and a near unique knack for melding technology and magic, it isn't even close to invincible. While it did things like resist all attempts at colonisation, beating back invaders, that happened in the real world. The Battle of Isandlwanha, where a Zulu army [[CurbstompBattle crushed]] an invading British army, is cited (though it is noted that the rest of the war didn't go quite so well for the Zulus), and the geography of Wakanda is noted as helping. Plus, you know, its armies being led by at least one [[OneManArmy Captain America level America-level superhuman.]] Thanks to its isolationist history, it also has very poor diplomatic and economic links with the rest of the world, which means that it's largely incapable of exerting its will beyond its borders. Plus, in chapter 70, HYDRA's assault team [[spoiler: led by Baron Zemo]] is shown to be capable of penetrating Wakandan air space, reaching [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the Vibranium mound and carting off tons of the stuff.]]
** And after HYDRA's defeat, [[spoiler: Peter [[spoiler:Peter Wisdom points out very bluntly that he doesn't actually have to give T'Challa any of the reclaimed Vibranium back and T'Challa has no way of forcing him to.]]



* Subverted in Creator/UrsulaKLeGuin's ''Literature/TheOnesWhoWalkAwayFromOmelas'', where Omelas starts out looking like a ridiculously perfect utopia, until we learn [[PoweredByAForsakenChild it hides a dark secret]]. Le Guin likes subverting this trope. Anarres in ''Literature/TheDispossessed'' also appears to be an example of this at first glance, but as we progress through the plot we learn that, while it is better in many ways than either of the dominant powers on Urras, it is still pretty damn flawed, and becoming worse.

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* Subverted in Creator/UrsulaKLeGuin's ''Literature/TheOnesWhoWalkAwayFromOmelas'', where Omelas starts out looking like a ridiculously perfect utopia, until we learn [[PoweredByAForsakenChild it hides a dark secret]]. The big twist is in the set-up, with the narrator that is singing the praises of Omelas [[GenreSavvy knows perfectly well that people just cannot believe that such a city can exist without some kind of dark secret]], so he drops the description of [[spoiler:the child that is brutalized to the point of brain death for the sake of keeping the rest of the townspeople content]] with a "there you go, a horrible flaw in the system! [[ArmorPiercingQuestion Are you people happy now? Is it "realistic" enough for you now?]]" flair. Le Guin likes subverting this trope. Anarres in ''Literature/TheDispossessed'' also appears to be an example of this at first glance, but as we progress through the plot we learn that, while it is better in many ways than either of the dominant powers on Urras, it is still pretty damn flawed, and becoming worse.
22nd Aug '17 7:53:13 PM WillBGood
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* S.M. Stirling's Literature/TheDraka stories portray The Domination as a {{Villian Sue}}topia, where history just seems to repeatedly break in favor of the Draka [[AlternateHistoryWank in defiance of all logic.]]

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* S.M. Stirling's Literature/TheDraka stories portray The Domination as a {{Villian {{Villain Sue}}topia, where history just seems to repeatedly break in favor of the Draka [[AlternateHistoryWank in defiance of all logic.]]
22nd Aug '17 7:53:02 PM WillBGood
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* S.M. Stirling's Literature/TheDraka stories portray The Domination as a [[VillainSue VillianSuetopia]], where history just seems to repeatedly break in favor of Literature/TheDraka, in defiance of all logic.

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* S.M. Stirling's Literature/TheDraka stories portray The Domination as a [[VillainSue VillianSuetopia]], {{Villian Sue}}topia, where history just seems to repeatedly break in favor of Literature/TheDraka, the Draka [[AlternateHistoryWank in defiance of all logic.]]
11th Jul '17 12:12:46 PM Gideoncrawle
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* In general, a lot of ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' fanfic portray Equestria in this fashion, despite the fact that the show itself heavily stresses the flaws its characters possess and the conflicts that stem from these flaws (not to mention the frequency of evil being that show up). It can be especially blatant in the cases of authors who project their own ideologies into the setting. Also ''inverted'' by some other fanfics that ignore the canon flaws of the society and view the ''canon'' Equestria as this and try to 'fix' it by adding flaws.
11th Jul '17 12:08:35 PM Gideoncrawle
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*** Website/StarDestroyerDotNet [[http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/Trek-Marxism.html adds]] [[http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Database/Query-ST.php?Series=&Category=Culture&EpName=&Keywords=&Quotes=&Analysis=&Submit=Submit its share of analysis]].
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