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4th Nov '16 11:36:04 AM WikiGuardianAngel
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Is it your memories? Those can be [[LaserGuidedAmnesia removed]] or [[FakeMemories altered.]] (Oh, are there [[EasyAmnesia ever]] [[MemoryWipingCrew so]] [[MindVirus many]] [[ForgotTheCall ways]].) How about your personality? Well, that [[CharacterDevelopment changes over time naturally]] like it or not, but then again [[DeadPersonImpersonation you can play someone else]] and find [[BecomingTheMask you like being them better]]. It may even be [[TheMindIsAPlaythingOfTheBody altered whether you like it or not]]. Is it your body... or your [[WasOnceAMan humanity]]? Less luck there, if it isn't a [[FreakyFridayFlip body swap]] it's a [[GenderBender gender swap]] or [[WhatHaveIBecome something]] [[EmergencyTransformation much]] [[TransformationTrauma worse]]. Does the soul have anything to do with this? Are you still "you" if you [[{{Reincarnation}} reincarnate]]?

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Is it your memories? Those can be [[LaserGuidedAmnesia removed]] or [[FakeMemories altered.]] (Oh, are there [[EasyAmnesia ever]] [[MemoryWipingCrew so]] [[MindVirus many]] [[ForgotTheCall ways]].) How about your personality? Well, that [[CharacterDevelopment changes over time naturally]] like it or not, but then again [[DeadPersonImpersonation you can play someone else]] and find [[BecomingTheMask you like being them better]]. It may even be [[TheMindIsAPlaythingOfTheBody outright altered whether you like it or not]]. Is it your body... or your [[WasOnceAMan humanity]]? Less luck there, if it isn't a [[FreakyFridayFlip body swap]] it's a [[GenderBender gender swap]] or [[WhatHaveIBecome something]] [[EmergencyTransformation much]] [[TransformationTrauma worse]]. Does the soul have anything to do with this? Are you still "you" if you [[{{Reincarnation}} reincarnate]]?
4th Nov '16 7:24:36 AM WikiGuardianAngel
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Is it your memories? Those can be [[LaserGuidedAmnesia removed]] or [[FakeMemories altered.]] (Oh, are there [[EasyAmnesia ever]] [[MemoryWipingCrew so]] [[MindVirus many]] [[ForgotTheCall ways]].) How about your personality? Well, that [[CharacterDevelopment changes over time naturally]] like it or not, but then again [[DeadPersonImpersonation you can play someone else]] and find [[BecomingTheMask you like being them better]]. It may even be [[TheMindIsAPlaythingOfTheBody altered whether you like it or not]]. Is it your body... or your [[WasOnceAMan humanity]]? Less luck there, if it isn't a [[FreakyFridayFlip body swap]] it's a [[GenderBender gender swap]] or [[WhatHaveIBecome something]] [[EmergencyTransformation much]] [[TransformationTrauma worse]]. Does the soul have anything to do with this? Are you still "you" if you [[Reincarnation reincarnate]]?

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Is it your memories? Those can be [[LaserGuidedAmnesia removed]] or [[FakeMemories altered.]] (Oh, are there [[EasyAmnesia ever]] [[MemoryWipingCrew so]] [[MindVirus many]] [[ForgotTheCall ways]].) How about your personality? Well, that [[CharacterDevelopment changes over time naturally]] like it or not, but then again [[DeadPersonImpersonation you can play someone else]] and find [[BecomingTheMask you like being them better]]. It may even be [[TheMindIsAPlaythingOfTheBody altered whether you like it or not]]. Is it your body... or your [[WasOnceAMan humanity]]? Less luck there, if it isn't a [[FreakyFridayFlip body swap]] it's a [[GenderBender gender swap]] or [[WhatHaveIBecome something]] [[EmergencyTransformation much]] [[TransformationTrauma worse]]. Does the soul have anything to do with this? Are you still "you" if you [[Reincarnation [[{{Reincarnation}} reincarnate]]?
4th Nov '16 7:07:06 AM WikiGuardianAngel
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Is it your memories? Those can be [[LaserGuidedAmnesia removed]] or [[FakeMemories altered.]] (Oh, are there [[EasyAmnesia ever]] [[MemoryWipingCrew so]] [[MindVirus many]] [[ForgotTheCall ways]].) How about your personality? Well, that [[CharacterDevelopment changes over time naturally]] like it or not, but then again [[DeadPersonImpersonation you can play someone else]] and find [[BecomingTheMask you like being them better]]. Is it your body... or your [[WasOnceAMan humanity]]? Less luck there, if it isn't a [[FreakyFridayFlip body swap]] it's a [[GenderBender gender swap]] or [[WhatHaveIBecome something]] [[EmergencyTransformation much]] [[TransformationTrauma worse]]. Does the soul have anything to do with this? Are you still "you" if you reincarnate?

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Is it your memories? Those can be [[LaserGuidedAmnesia removed]] or [[FakeMemories altered.]] (Oh, are there [[EasyAmnesia ever]] [[MemoryWipingCrew so]] [[MindVirus many]] [[ForgotTheCall ways]].) How about your personality? Well, that [[CharacterDevelopment changes over time naturally]] like it or not, but then again [[DeadPersonImpersonation you can play someone else]] and find [[BecomingTheMask you like being them better]]. It may even be [[TheMindIsAPlaythingOfTheBody altered whether you like it or not]]. Is it your body... or your [[WasOnceAMan humanity]]? Less luck there, if it isn't a [[FreakyFridayFlip body swap]] it's a [[GenderBender gender swap]] or [[WhatHaveIBecome something]] [[EmergencyTransformation much]] [[TransformationTrauma worse]]. Does the soul have anything to do with this? Are you still "you" if you reincarnate?
[[Reincarnation reincarnate]]?



* In the ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitans'' animated series, Fixit tries to "repair" Cyborg by taking away all that made him human and replacing it with fully mechanical parts and a mechanical brain. Cyborg is justifiably freaked out, because, without his humanity, he'd be just a emotionless machine with his memories. Eventually, it is Cyborg's humanity that causes Fixit to remember what ''he'' lost.

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* In the ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitans'' animated series, Fixit tries to "repair" Cyborg by taking away all that made him human and replacing it with fully mechanical parts and a mechanical brain. Cyborg is justifiably freaked out, because, without his humanity, he'd be just a emotionless machine with his memories. Eventually, it is Cyborg's humanity that causes Fixit to remember [[WasOnceAMan what ''he'' lost.lost]].
27th Oct '16 11:16:30 AM Morgenthaler
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* In JohnCWright's ''[[Literature/CountToTheEschaton Count To A Trillion]]'', the princess's revelations leave Menelaus wondering who he is.

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* In JohnCWright's Creator/JohnCWright's ''[[Literature/CountToTheEschaton Count To A Trillion]]'', the princess's revelations leave Menelaus wondering who he is.



* Several characters in ''ASongOfIceAndFire'' go through this.

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* Several characters in ''ASongOfIceAndFire'' ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' go through this.
5th Oct '16 1:21:04 PM Morgenthaler
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* ''HisDarkMaterials'': Intercision separates a person from their daemon. At best this means they become incurious and weak-willed, and at worst it means they hang around ghoulishly and then die.

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* ''HisDarkMaterials'': ''Literature/HisDarkMaterials'': Intercision separates a person from their daemon. At best this means they become incurious and weak-willed, and at worst it means they hang around ghoulishly and then die.



* This is the most important theme of Robert Bolt's play ''AManForAllSeasons''. In his introduction to the play, Bolt explains how taking an oath is committing one's whole ''self'' to the statement. A man can lose his family, his job, and his wealth, but if he is willing to draw a line in the sand and say "I will ''not'' do this thing, under any circumstances", then he probably has a clear sense of who he is.

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* This is the most important theme of Robert Bolt's play ''AManForAllSeasons''.''Theatre/AManForAllSeasons''. In his introduction to the play, Bolt explains how taking an oath is committing one's whole ''self'' to the statement. A man can lose his family, his job, and his wealth, but if he is willing to draw a line in the sand and say "I will ''not'' do this thing, under any circumstances", then he probably has a clear sense of who he is.



* In JohnCWright's ''[[Literature/TheGoldenOecumene The Golden Age]]'', Phaethon is suing for his father Helion to be declared dead, because the current Helion was resurrected from a recording an hour before the last version died. Helion repeatedly tries to reconstruct his last hour so he can figure out what he was thinking. What deeply disturbs Helion is not so much the possibility of being declared dead with his son inheriting all as the possibility that he really isn't the real Helion. [[spoiler:In ''The Golden Transcendence'', Daphne reveals to him the secret he was missing to reconstruct himself, and that he could not reconstruct it because he was afraid of losing his identity, when his last version had [[HeroicSacrifice willingly lost his identity and life]]. After the Transcendence, a [[ItWasAGift gift]] is given to Helion: a priority routine to transmit his information, so that the last thing to be transmitted will be his fear of losing himself and another such resurrection will not trouble him.]]

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* In JohnCWright's Creator/JohnCWright's ''[[Literature/TheGoldenOecumene The Golden Age]]'', Phaethon is suing for his father Helion to be declared dead, because the current Helion was resurrected from a recording an hour before the last version died. Helion repeatedly tries to reconstruct his last hour so he can figure out what he was thinking. What deeply disturbs Helion is not so much the possibility of being declared dead with his son inheriting all as the possibility that he really isn't the real Helion. [[spoiler:In ''The Golden Transcendence'', Daphne reveals to him the secret he was missing to reconstruct himself, and that he could not reconstruct it because he was afraid of losing his identity, when his last version had [[HeroicSacrifice willingly lost his identity and life]]. After the Transcendence, a [[ItWasAGift gift]] is given to Helion: a priority routine to transmit his information, so that the last thing to be transmitted will be his fear of losing himself and another such resurrection will not trouble him.]]



* In the Literature/XWingSeries, there is a DeepCoverAgent named Gara Petothel who was trained from an early age to create a personality and a life, fully immerse herself in it, complete objectives including forming and betraying the closest of connections, and shed it without a qualm. To the point where later she can't even remember if her previous identities had friends and interests. At some point the handler who saw her between missions died before she came back into a splinter of Imperial service. There Gara became disgusted with her commanding officer's [[WeHaveReserves handling of his crew]] and arranged for his escape craft to be spotted by New Republic forces, then assumed a new identity and waited to be contacted, getting put into a New Republic fighter squadron. But something was different this time - she was affected by the PowerOfTrust and genuinely [[ReverseMole defected.]] She tried to throw away who she'd been and just be Lara Notsil, pilot, but [[ResignationsNotAccepted she couldn't]], and eventually her past came crashing in on her.

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* In the Literature/XWingSeries, ''Literature/XWingSeries'', there is a DeepCoverAgent named Gara Petothel who was trained from an early age to create a personality and a life, fully immerse herself in it, complete objectives including forming and betraying the closest of connections, and shed it without a qualm. To the point where later she can't even remember if her previous identities had friends and interests. At some point the handler who saw her between missions died before she came back into a splinter of Imperial service. There Gara became disgusted with her commanding officer's [[WeHaveReserves handling of his crew]] and arranged for his escape craft to be spotted by New Republic forces, then assumed a new identity and waited to be contacted, getting put into a New Republic fighter squadron. But something was different this time - she was affected by the PowerOfTrust and genuinely [[ReverseMole defected.]] She tried to throw away who she'd been and just be Lara Notsil, pilot, but [[ResignationsNotAccepted she couldn't]], and eventually her past came crashing in on her.
10th Sep '16 10:26:34 PM WillBGood
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* The point of most {{Instrumentality}} plots - as seen on ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'' and ''Anime/YuGiOhGX'' among others - is to relieve humanity of the burden of isolation that comes with individual identities.

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* The point of most {{Instrumentality}} plots {{Assimilation Plot}}s - as seen on ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'' and ''Anime/YuGiOhGX'' among others - is to relieve humanity of the burden of isolation that comes with individual identities.
11th Aug '16 9:52:57 PM JustinCognito
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** The upcoming ''TabletopGame/DeviantTheRenegades'' doesn't make it part of the KarmaMeter... because it's a default for the characters. Deviants have been so broken by being [[PlayingWithSyringes remade]] that they can only really define themselves by external principles or relationships; the "they" has been carved out.
30th Jul '16 2:50:20 AM Morgenthaler
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* The main theme of ''GeminiRue'' with the government ([[spoiler:and {{Yakuza}}]]) operating a special center where the criminals ([[spoiler:or just enemies of the Boryokudan]]) are mind-wiped and re-trained for a time before a final wipe and the creation of a new identity and plastic surgery. One of the protagonists, Delta-Six (AKA Charlie) is one such mind-wiped individual at Center 7, whose eventual fate is to be [[spoiler:turned into the second protagonist Azriel Odin, a Boryokudan assassin; but his conscience takes over, and he becomes a cop instead]]. At the end of the game, [[spoiler:Azriel is mind-wiped as well and left a blank slate; however, Echo-Five believes he is now free to be himself]].

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* The main theme of ''GeminiRue'' ''VideoGame/GeminiRue'' with the government ([[spoiler:and {{Yakuza}}]]) operating a special center where the criminals ([[spoiler:or just enemies of the Boryokudan]]) are mind-wiped and re-trained for a time before a final wipe and the creation of a new identity and plastic surgery. One of the protagonists, Delta-Six (AKA Charlie) is one such mind-wiped individual at Center 7, whose eventual fate is to be [[spoiler:turned into the second protagonist Azriel Odin, a Boryokudan assassin; but his conscience takes over, and he becomes a cop instead]]. At the end of the game, [[spoiler:Azriel is mind-wiped as well and left a blank slate; however, Echo-Five believes he is now free to be himself]].
8th Jul '16 5:56:45 AM Quanyails
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* ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' In Creator/DonHertzfeldt's far-future [[CouchGag/TheSimpsons couch gag]], the design of the characters and the show changes so radically that by the year 10,535 the Simpson family has been reduced to a disturbing collection of caricatured mutants that can only sputter broken catchphrases and hock merchandise

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* ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'': In Creator/DonHertzfeldt's far-future [[CouchGag/TheSimpsons couch gag]], the design of the characters and the show changes so radically that by the year 10,535 the Simpson family has been reduced to a disturbing collection of caricatured mutants that can only sputter broken catchphrases and hock merchandise merchandise.
8th Jul '16 5:50:37 AM Quanyails
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* {{Persona 2}} turned this into even more horror with the Joker's curse. Sure, kid! Call in and get any wish you want! ''[[SchmuckBait Any wish!]]'' What they don't tell you is that if you're too weak or overuse the power, Joker drains you of your dreams, hopes and wishes, turning you into a Shadow Self that gradually fades into oblivion as you lose your identity to Joker's crystal skull. Funny thing, you see: the power to change reality ''is'' being fueled by your identity as an expendable resource. By rejecting reality and coasting by with Joker's power, you're weakening your connection to reality and getting closer to fading into a Shadow Self.

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* {{Persona 2}} ''VideoGame/{{Persona 2}}'' turned this into even more horror with the Joker's curse. Sure, kid! Call in and get any wish you want! ''[[SchmuckBait Any wish!]]'' What they don't tell you is that if you're too weak or overuse the power, Joker drains you of your dreams, hopes and wishes, turning you into a Shadow Self that gradually fades into oblivion as you lose your identity to Joker's crystal skull. Funny thing, you see: the power to change reality ''is'' being fueled by your identity as an expendable resource. By rejecting reality and coasting by with Joker's power, you're weakening your connection to reality and getting closer to fading into a Shadow Self.
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