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24th Apr '17 5:40:12 AM Svartalfar
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* Poor Rei in ''Fanfic/NeonMetathesisEvangelion. [[spoiler:After she has sacrificed herself and EVA-00 against Bardiel, she is resurrected with her soul reunited, but not reintegrated, so to speak. Thus she questions who she is: Rei I? Rei I in the EVA? Rei II? A fully new Rei III?]] Though there is one thing certain for her: "I am not her." (Lilith)
23rd Apr '17 2:30:05 AM CountDorku
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** In the fanmade ''TabletopGame/GeniusTheTransgression'', Geniuses are essentially humans who have tapped some inhuman well of Inspiration that allows them to perform mad science. The problem is that if they start losing their connection to humanity, represented by their Obligation rating, that Inspiration starts to eat away the human side and replace it, leaving something with superficial traits of the real person but no real drives left beyond the need to create Wonders - [[HumanResources and the people around them only register to it as raw materials.]]


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* In ''TabletopGame/EclipsePhase'', this is one of [[MindRape many]], [[BodyHorror many]], ''[[NightmareFuel many]]'' reasons you should be careful around [[TheVirus the Exsurgent virus]] ("careful" here meaning either "avoid at all costs" or "[[ItsTheOnlyWayToBeSure kill as thoroughly as possible]]"). ''X-Risks'' goes into detail on how it feels to be an infected sleeper agent, and it could basically be compared to having your personality gradually overwritten with that of some alien monster. Your human side is used mostly as a disguise for the entity within, kept around only as long as it's useful and driven to actions that don't make sense and sensations that you shouldn't be getting (phantom-limb pains in limbs humans don't have, for example).
-->''[[DrivenToSuicide Please kill me now]]...Use that plasma cutter. [[KilledOffForReal Melt my stack.]] Destroy my body. Burn it all. The void is getting out. I can feel it.''
6th Apr '17 7:28:14 PM nombretomado
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* ''PlanescapeTorment'''s entire story is arguably about this trope. [[RuleOfFun Up until the point where the player took over]], The Nameless One lost his identity every time he died. Trying to recover just who it is you 'are' through the multitudes of former yous who have existed across time is a cornerstone of the entire game.

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* ''PlanescapeTorment'''s ''VideoGame/PlanescapeTorment'''s entire story is arguably about this trope. [[RuleOfFun Up until the point where the player took over]], The Nameless One lost his identity every time he died. Trying to recover just who it is you 'are' through the multitudes of former yous who have existed across time is a cornerstone of the entire game.
23rd Dec '16 9:00:11 AM flodoris
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** "Tobi" attempts to invoke this about himself, burying his old identity under layers of ObfuscatingStupidity and other lies. When it turns out he's neither the harmless goofball or the stoic Uchiha Madara, he claims that he doesn't ''have'' a real self and is just a vessel for his master plan. However this is simply how he runs away from his painful past rather than accept [[spoiler:that Rin willingly died to protect Konoha]].

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** "Tobi" attempts to invoke this about himself, burying his old identity under layers of ObfuscatingStupidity and other lies. When it turns out he's neither the harmless goofball or the stoic Uchiha Madara, he claims that he doesn't ''have'' a real self and is just a vessel for his master plan. However this is simply how he runs away from his painful past rather than accept [[spoiler:that Rin willingly died to protect Konoha]].past.
4th Nov '16 11:36:04 AM WikiGuardianAngel
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Is it your memories? Those can be [[LaserGuidedAmnesia removed]] or [[FakeMemories altered.]] (Oh, are there [[EasyAmnesia ever]] [[MemoryWipingCrew so]] [[MindVirus many]] [[ForgotTheCall ways]].) How about your personality? Well, that [[CharacterDevelopment changes over time naturally]] like it or not, but then again [[DeadPersonImpersonation you can play someone else]] and find [[BecomingTheMask you like being them better]]. It may even be [[TheMindIsAPlaythingOfTheBody altered whether you like it or not]]. Is it your body... or your [[WasOnceAMan humanity]]? Less luck there, if it isn't a [[FreakyFridayFlip body swap]] it's a [[GenderBender gender swap]] or [[WhatHaveIBecome something]] [[EmergencyTransformation much]] [[TransformationTrauma worse]]. Does the soul have anything to do with this? Are you still "you" if you [[{{Reincarnation}} reincarnate]]?

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Is it your memories? Those can be [[LaserGuidedAmnesia removed]] or [[FakeMemories altered.]] (Oh, are there [[EasyAmnesia ever]] [[MemoryWipingCrew so]] [[MindVirus many]] [[ForgotTheCall ways]].) How about your personality? Well, that [[CharacterDevelopment changes over time naturally]] like it or not, but then again [[DeadPersonImpersonation you can play someone else]] and find [[BecomingTheMask you like being them better]]. It may even be [[TheMindIsAPlaythingOfTheBody outright altered whether you like it or not]]. Is it your body... or your [[WasOnceAMan humanity]]? Less luck there, if it isn't a [[FreakyFridayFlip body swap]] it's a [[GenderBender gender swap]] or [[WhatHaveIBecome something]] [[EmergencyTransformation much]] [[TransformationTrauma worse]]. Does the soul have anything to do with this? Are you still "you" if you [[{{Reincarnation}} reincarnate]]?
4th Nov '16 7:24:36 AM WikiGuardianAngel
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Is it your memories? Those can be [[LaserGuidedAmnesia removed]] or [[FakeMemories altered.]] (Oh, are there [[EasyAmnesia ever]] [[MemoryWipingCrew so]] [[MindVirus many]] [[ForgotTheCall ways]].) How about your personality? Well, that [[CharacterDevelopment changes over time naturally]] like it or not, but then again [[DeadPersonImpersonation you can play someone else]] and find [[BecomingTheMask you like being them better]]. It may even be [[TheMindIsAPlaythingOfTheBody altered whether you like it or not]]. Is it your body... or your [[WasOnceAMan humanity]]? Less luck there, if it isn't a [[FreakyFridayFlip body swap]] it's a [[GenderBender gender swap]] or [[WhatHaveIBecome something]] [[EmergencyTransformation much]] [[TransformationTrauma worse]]. Does the soul have anything to do with this? Are you still "you" if you [[Reincarnation reincarnate]]?

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Is it your memories? Those can be [[LaserGuidedAmnesia removed]] or [[FakeMemories altered.]] (Oh, are there [[EasyAmnesia ever]] [[MemoryWipingCrew so]] [[MindVirus many]] [[ForgotTheCall ways]].) How about your personality? Well, that [[CharacterDevelopment changes over time naturally]] like it or not, but then again [[DeadPersonImpersonation you can play someone else]] and find [[BecomingTheMask you like being them better]]. It may even be [[TheMindIsAPlaythingOfTheBody altered whether you like it or not]]. Is it your body... or your [[WasOnceAMan humanity]]? Less luck there, if it isn't a [[FreakyFridayFlip body swap]] it's a [[GenderBender gender swap]] or [[WhatHaveIBecome something]] [[EmergencyTransformation much]] [[TransformationTrauma worse]]. Does the soul have anything to do with this? Are you still "you" if you [[Reincarnation [[{{Reincarnation}} reincarnate]]?
4th Nov '16 7:07:06 AM WikiGuardianAngel
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Is it your memories? Those can be [[LaserGuidedAmnesia removed]] or [[FakeMemories altered.]] (Oh, are there [[EasyAmnesia ever]] [[MemoryWipingCrew so]] [[MindVirus many]] [[ForgotTheCall ways]].) How about your personality? Well, that [[CharacterDevelopment changes over time naturally]] like it or not, but then again [[DeadPersonImpersonation you can play someone else]] and find [[BecomingTheMask you like being them better]]. Is it your body... or your [[WasOnceAMan humanity]]? Less luck there, if it isn't a [[FreakyFridayFlip body swap]] it's a [[GenderBender gender swap]] or [[WhatHaveIBecome something]] [[EmergencyTransformation much]] [[TransformationTrauma worse]]. Does the soul have anything to do with this? Are you still "you" if you reincarnate?

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Is it your memories? Those can be [[LaserGuidedAmnesia removed]] or [[FakeMemories altered.]] (Oh, are there [[EasyAmnesia ever]] [[MemoryWipingCrew so]] [[MindVirus many]] [[ForgotTheCall ways]].) How about your personality? Well, that [[CharacterDevelopment changes over time naturally]] like it or not, but then again [[DeadPersonImpersonation you can play someone else]] and find [[BecomingTheMask you like being them better]]. It may even be [[TheMindIsAPlaythingOfTheBody altered whether you like it or not]]. Is it your body... or your [[WasOnceAMan humanity]]? Less luck there, if it isn't a [[FreakyFridayFlip body swap]] it's a [[GenderBender gender swap]] or [[WhatHaveIBecome something]] [[EmergencyTransformation much]] [[TransformationTrauma worse]]. Does the soul have anything to do with this? Are you still "you" if you reincarnate?
[[Reincarnation reincarnate]]?



* In the ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitans'' animated series, Fixit tries to "repair" Cyborg by taking away all that made him human and replacing it with fully mechanical parts and a mechanical brain. Cyborg is justifiably freaked out, because, without his humanity, he'd be just a emotionless machine with his memories. Eventually, it is Cyborg's humanity that causes Fixit to remember what ''he'' lost.

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* In the ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitans'' animated series, Fixit tries to "repair" Cyborg by taking away all that made him human and replacing it with fully mechanical parts and a mechanical brain. Cyborg is justifiably freaked out, because, without his humanity, he'd be just a emotionless machine with his memories. Eventually, it is Cyborg's humanity that causes Fixit to remember [[WasOnceAMan what ''he'' lost.lost]].
27th Oct '16 11:16:30 AM Morgenthaler
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* In JohnCWright's ''[[Literature/CountToTheEschaton Count To A Trillion]]'', the princess's revelations leave Menelaus wondering who he is.

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* In JohnCWright's Creator/JohnCWright's ''[[Literature/CountToTheEschaton Count To A Trillion]]'', the princess's revelations leave Menelaus wondering who he is.



* Several characters in ''ASongOfIceAndFire'' go through this.

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* Several characters in ''ASongOfIceAndFire'' ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' go through this.
5th Oct '16 1:21:04 PM Morgenthaler
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* ''HisDarkMaterials'': Intercision separates a person from their daemon. At best this means they become incurious and weak-willed, and at worst it means they hang around ghoulishly and then die.

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* ''HisDarkMaterials'': ''Literature/HisDarkMaterials'': Intercision separates a person from their daemon. At best this means they become incurious and weak-willed, and at worst it means they hang around ghoulishly and then die.



* This is the most important theme of Robert Bolt's play ''AManForAllSeasons''. In his introduction to the play, Bolt explains how taking an oath is committing one's whole ''self'' to the statement. A man can lose his family, his job, and his wealth, but if he is willing to draw a line in the sand and say "I will ''not'' do this thing, under any circumstances", then he probably has a clear sense of who he is.

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* This is the most important theme of Robert Bolt's play ''AManForAllSeasons''.''Theatre/AManForAllSeasons''. In his introduction to the play, Bolt explains how taking an oath is committing one's whole ''self'' to the statement. A man can lose his family, his job, and his wealth, but if he is willing to draw a line in the sand and say "I will ''not'' do this thing, under any circumstances", then he probably has a clear sense of who he is.



* In JohnCWright's ''[[Literature/TheGoldenOecumene The Golden Age]]'', Phaethon is suing for his father Helion to be declared dead, because the current Helion was resurrected from a recording an hour before the last version died. Helion repeatedly tries to reconstruct his last hour so he can figure out what he was thinking. What deeply disturbs Helion is not so much the possibility of being declared dead with his son inheriting all as the possibility that he really isn't the real Helion. [[spoiler:In ''The Golden Transcendence'', Daphne reveals to him the secret he was missing to reconstruct himself, and that he could not reconstruct it because he was afraid of losing his identity, when his last version had [[HeroicSacrifice willingly lost his identity and life]]. After the Transcendence, a [[ItWasAGift gift]] is given to Helion: a priority routine to transmit his information, so that the last thing to be transmitted will be his fear of losing himself and another such resurrection will not trouble him.]]

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* In JohnCWright's Creator/JohnCWright's ''[[Literature/TheGoldenOecumene The Golden Age]]'', Phaethon is suing for his father Helion to be declared dead, because the current Helion was resurrected from a recording an hour before the last version died. Helion repeatedly tries to reconstruct his last hour so he can figure out what he was thinking. What deeply disturbs Helion is not so much the possibility of being declared dead with his son inheriting all as the possibility that he really isn't the real Helion. [[spoiler:In ''The Golden Transcendence'', Daphne reveals to him the secret he was missing to reconstruct himself, and that he could not reconstruct it because he was afraid of losing his identity, when his last version had [[HeroicSacrifice willingly lost his identity and life]]. After the Transcendence, a [[ItWasAGift gift]] is given to Helion: a priority routine to transmit his information, so that the last thing to be transmitted will be his fear of losing himself and another such resurrection will not trouble him.]]



* In the Literature/XWingSeries, there is a DeepCoverAgent named Gara Petothel who was trained from an early age to create a personality and a life, fully immerse herself in it, complete objectives including forming and betraying the closest of connections, and shed it without a qualm. To the point where later she can't even remember if her previous identities had friends and interests. At some point the handler who saw her between missions died before she came back into a splinter of Imperial service. There Gara became disgusted with her commanding officer's [[WeHaveReserves handling of his crew]] and arranged for his escape craft to be spotted by New Republic forces, then assumed a new identity and waited to be contacted, getting put into a New Republic fighter squadron. But something was different this time - she was affected by the PowerOfTrust and genuinely [[ReverseMole defected.]] She tried to throw away who she'd been and just be Lara Notsil, pilot, but [[ResignationsNotAccepted she couldn't]], and eventually her past came crashing in on her.

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* In the Literature/XWingSeries, ''Literature/XWingSeries'', there is a DeepCoverAgent named Gara Petothel who was trained from an early age to create a personality and a life, fully immerse herself in it, complete objectives including forming and betraying the closest of connections, and shed it without a qualm. To the point where later she can't even remember if her previous identities had friends and interests. At some point the handler who saw her between missions died before she came back into a splinter of Imperial service. There Gara became disgusted with her commanding officer's [[WeHaveReserves handling of his crew]] and arranged for his escape craft to be spotted by New Republic forces, then assumed a new identity and waited to be contacted, getting put into a New Republic fighter squadron. But something was different this time - she was affected by the PowerOfTrust and genuinely [[ReverseMole defected.]] She tried to throw away who she'd been and just be Lara Notsil, pilot, but [[ResignationsNotAccepted she couldn't]], and eventually her past came crashing in on her.
10th Sep '16 10:26:34 PM WillBGood
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* The point of most {{Instrumentality}} plots - as seen on ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'' and ''Anime/YuGiOhGX'' among others - is to relieve humanity of the burden of isolation that comes with individual identities.

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* The point of most {{Instrumentality}} plots {{Assimilation Plot}}s - as seen on ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'' and ''Anime/YuGiOhGX'' among others - is to relieve humanity of the burden of isolation that comes with individual identities.
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