History Main / LonersAreFreaks

16th Sep '17 12:05:42 AM MasterofGalaxies4628
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Of course, this trope could just be the inversion of the idea that nobody could like a freak, so freaks are loners. This doesn't logically translate to ''all'' loners are freaks, but [[LogicalFallacies a lot of fiction doesn't follow logic]].

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Of course, this trope could just be the inversion of the idea that nobody could like a freak, so freaks are loners. [[ConverseError This doesn't logically translate to ''all'' to]] ''[[ConverseError all]]'' [[ConverseError loners are freaks, but freaks,]] [[LogicalFallacies but a lot of fiction doesn't follow logic]].
logic.]]
30th Jul '17 9:43:08 AM RobTan
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** Mycroft Holmes is a much more standard example. Whereas Sherlock can form some close friendships and be personable when necessary, Mycroft lives alone, works alone and spends his free time at a gentleman's club where so much as acknowledging the existence of another member puts you at risk of expulsion.
26th Jul '17 7:54:32 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* As a result of [[GenreSavvy his father's training]], [[Series/{{Dexter}} Dexter Morgan]] is aware of this, and goes out of his way to cultivate a "reserved but sociable" persona to keep from being thought of as an emotionally withdrawn loner. It works on everyone but [[OnlySaneMan Sgt. Doakes]].

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* As a result of [[GenreSavvy his father's training]], training, [[Series/{{Dexter}} Dexter Morgan]] is aware of this, and goes out of his way to cultivate a "reserved but sociable" persona to keep from being thought of as an emotionally withdrawn loner. It works on everyone but [[OnlySaneMan Sgt. Doakes]].
24th Jul '17 7:26:44 AM SimYouLater
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Compare BewareTheQuietOnes, TheComplainerIsAlwaysWrong, IneffectualLoner, and perhaps IntelligenceEqualsIsolation. Contrast YouAreNotAlone. See also NoSocialSkills.

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Compare BewareTheQuietOnes, TheComplainerIsAlwaysWrong, IneffectualLoner, and perhaps IntelligenceEqualsIsolation. Contrast YouAreNotAlone. See also NoSocialSkills.
NoSocialSkills. Often subverted by combining it with a ThisLoserIsYou protagonist, in which case [[DarkIsNotEvil freaks are not evil]].
18th Jul '17 1:46:15 PM DynastiNoble
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* ''Film/Willard''. Williard was definitely described as a loner and a PsychopathicManChild.

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\n* ''Film/Willard''.''Film/{{Willard}}''. Williard was definitely described as a loner and a PsychopathicManChild.


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** Myrtle Warren became a "freaky little" nerd when she was teased by a girl named Olive Hornby, a school bully. Before she died, she cried in the bathroom.
9th Jul '17 10:58:27 AM Lovetheclassics72
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* ''Film/Willard'', Williard was definitely described as a loner and a PsychopathicManChild.

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* ''Film/Willard'', ''Film/Willard''. Williard was definitely described as a loner and a PsychopathicManChild.
9th Jul '17 10:56:47 AM Lovetheclassics72
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9th Jul '17 10:54:46 AM Lovetheclassics72
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* ''Film/Willard'', Williard was definitely described as a loner and a PsychopathicManChild.
8th Jul '17 10:39:31 AM ectostar
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Fiction doesn't seem to draw a distinction between being asocial and ''anti''-social. A loner character usually is more than just socially awkward; they'll have a number of serious psychological issues too. [[ItsAllAboutMe Arrogance, selfishness,]] and [[LackOfEmpathy mental]] [[AxCrazy instability]] are all fairly common. At worst, they're portrayed as evil since their refusal to socialize is proof that others are not worthy of their presence and that the only person they could ever care about is themselves. [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop Right]]? When fiction doesn't make a distinction between being a loner by choice or being driven to it, this is the attitude at work.

Cultural norms can make this even worse. In Japan, {{Hikikomori}} are seen as either {{NEET}}s gone over the edge, or lazy students cutting class rather than victims of a nearly-[[TheSocialDarwinist Social Darwinist]] society defined by [[AmbitionIsEvil ambition]] and fear of shame. [[ThereAreNoTherapists Rather than reaching out for help,]] the family is expected to isolate the weirdo from society and deal with the problem themselves.

Even more unfortunately, there is ''some'' [[TruthInTelevision historic basis]] for this. Humans, after all, are social animals. Cooperation along with the invention of language is how we survived, and those who tried to go it alone often weren't able to reproduce or hand over their innovations to the next guy. Through most of human history, collective action was the only practical means of survival; being extremely selfish, hiding all the time, or being shunned/banned/exiled/cast out was very often a precursor to slow death by starvation and predation. Thus a person condemned to DyingAlone was almost certainly alone because of a problem he'd had fitting into another group and thus he should be avoided.

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Fiction doesn't seem to draw a distinction between being asocial and ''anti''-social. A loner character usually is more than just socially awkward; they'll have a number of serious psychological issues too. [[ItsAllAboutMe Arrogance, selfishness,]] selfishness]], and [[LackOfEmpathy mental]] [[AxCrazy instability]] are all fairly common. At worst, they're portrayed as evil since their refusal to socialize is proof that others are not worthy of their presence and that the only person they could ever care about is themselves. [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop Right]]? When fiction doesn't make a distinction between being a loner by choice or being driven to it, this is the attitude at work.

Cultural norms can make this even worse. In Japan, {{Hikikomori}} are seen as either {{NEET}}s gone over the edge, or lazy students cutting class rather than victims of a nearly-[[TheSocialDarwinist Social Darwinist]] society defined by [[AmbitionIsEvil ambition]] and fear of shame. [[ThereAreNoTherapists Rather than reaching out for help,]] help]], the family is expected to isolate the weirdo from society and deal with the problem themselves.

Even more unfortunately, there is ''some'' [[TruthInTelevision historic basis]] for this. Humans, after all, are social animals. Cooperation along with the invention of language is how we survived, and those who tried to go it alone often weren't able to reproduce or hand over their innovations to the next guy.person. Through most of human history, collective action was the only practical means of survival; being extremely selfish, hiding all the time, or being shunned/banned/exiled/cast out was very often a precursor to slow death by starvation and predation. Thus a person condemned to DyingAlone was almost certainly alone because of a problem he'd they would had fitting into another group and thus he they should be avoided.



In idealistic works concerning this trope, the AllLovingHero will often effect a HeelFaceTurn on an antagonist by [[BefriendingTheEnemy trying to be their friend.]] Often this will work by itself, hammering home the idea that what's wrong with the villain isn't the need for revenge or a severely unbalanced psyche, it's a lack of friends. Even if The AllLovingHero eventually accepts the Loner ''as'' a Loner, the Loner will often appreciate the effort, and begin [[LonerTurnedFriend making token attempts to be sociable]] with the TrueCompanions.

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In idealistic works concerning this trope, the AllLovingHero will often effect a HeelFaceTurn on an antagonist by [[BefriendingTheEnemy trying to be their friend.]] friend]]. Often this will work by itself, hammering home the idea that what's wrong with the villain isn't the need for revenge or a severely unbalanced psyche, it's a lack of friends. Even if The AllLovingHero eventually accepts the Loner ''as'' a Loner, the Loner will often appreciate the effort, and begin [[LonerTurnedFriend making token attempts to be sociable]] with the TrueCompanions.



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-->'''Shinji''':''"Your father abandoned you after your mother was gone,"''\\
'''Asuka''':''"You have nightmares all the time about it. The memory keeps coming after you when you try to sleep,"''\\
'''Shinji''':''"It's hard to sleep. You feel lonely and cold at night, because no one ever held you after that,"''\\
'''Asuka''':''"You never had many friends before you came here. No on ever wanted to just talk to you for you."''\\
'''Shinji''':''"Your father never explained or apologized for why he just left you."''\\
'''Asuka''':''"No one even tried to understand your pain. No one cared."''\\
'''Shinji''':''"You miss her every day, but don't even have any pictures, barely any memories. No one tells you about her."''\\
'''Asuka''':''"And there was never any point in talking about it to anyone, because there was no one in the world who could understand what being an Evangelion Pilot was like,"''

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-->'''Shinji''':''"Your -->'''Shinji''': ''"Your father abandoned you after your mother was gone,"''\\
'''Asuka''':''"You '''Asuka''': ''"You have nightmares all the time about it. The memory keeps coming after you when you try to sleep,"''\\
'''Shinji''':''"It's '''Shinji''': ''"It's hard to sleep. You feel lonely and cold at night, because no one ever held you after that,"''\\
'''Asuka''':''"You '''Asuka''': ''"You never had many friends before you came here. No on ever wanted to just talk to you for you."''\\
'''Shinji''':''"Your '''Shinji''': ''"Your father never explained or apologized for why he just left you."''\\
'''Asuka''':''"No '''Asuka''': ''"No one even tried to understand your pain. No one cared."''\\
'''Shinji''':''"You '''Shinji''': ''"You miss her every day, but don't even have any pictures, barely any memories. No one tells you about her."''\\
'''Asuka''':''"And '''Asuka''': ''"And there was never any point in talking about it to anyone, because there was no one in the world who could understand what being an Evangelion Pilot was like,"''



-->'''Batman:''' He must have friends.
-->'''Maroni:''' Friends? Have you ''met'' this guy?

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-->'''Batman:''' -->'''Batman''': He must have friends.
-->'''Maroni:'''
friends.\\
'''Maroni''':
Friends? Have you ''met'' this guy?



-->'''Martin:''' Loner! Get it? Lone-gunman! That's the whole point!

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-->'''Martin:''' -->'''Martin''': Loner! Get it? Lone-gunman! That's the whole point!



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-->'''Elle''': This guy doesn't go on dates, doesn't go to parties, doesn't feel comfortable in front of groups...
-->''(The team's socially awkward BadassBookworm, Reid, gives Elle a strange look.)''
-->'''Elle:''' ''(quickly)'' And of course he's a total psychopath.
-->'''Reid:''' Of course.

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-->'''Elle''': This guy doesn't go on dates, doesn't go to parties, doesn't feel comfortable in front of groups...
-->''(The
groups...\\
''(The
team's socially awkward BadassBookworm, Reid, gives Elle a strange look.)''
-->'''Elle:'''
)''\\
'''Elle''':
''(quickly)'' And of course he's a total psychopath.
-->'''Reid:'''
psychopath.\\
'''Reid''':
Of course.



--> '''Chloe''': Look, you're not going to make friends if you're sitting on the sidelines all the time.
--> '''Rae''': Are people talking about that?
--> '''Chloe''': They might be. Look, you don't want people thinking you're ''weird'', do you? You don't want people thinking you're not ''normal''?

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--> '''Chloe''': Look, you're not going to make friends if you're sitting on the sidelines all the time.
-->
time.\\
'''Rae''': Are people talking about that?
-->
that?\\
'''Chloe''': They might be. Look, you don't want people thinking you're ''weird'', do you? You don't want people thinking you're not ''normal''?



28th Jun '17 7:35:20 PM LongTallShorty64
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* In ''Film/WhereTheSidewalkEnds'', Mark isolates himself from others and feels like an outsider as a cop because of his father's notorious reputation as a criminal.
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