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5th Oct '17 8:30:12 PM KrspaceT
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* No one in the Pokemon School is aware of what Ash has done pre Sun and Moon in ''Fanfic/AProfessorAndAStudent'', and Ash has no interest in changing that.
26th Sep '17 9:14:51 AM GlitteringFlowers
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*** In another example from ''VideoGame/FireEmblemFates'', Kaze didn't realize that [[spoiler: Kotaro and his clan were responsible for the death of his and Saizo's father because Saizo never told him of his suspicions until much later]]. Additionally, he was unaware that Saizo's scar was a result of [[spoiler: him trying to confront Kotaro, since Kaze was apparently away from their village on the day this happened]].
** In ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemGaiden Echoes: Shadows of Valentia]]'', only a select few people are aware that [[spoiler:Alm is actually Rudolf's son and the true heir to the Rigelian throne]]. This is a particularly devastating loop for Berkut to be locked out of; when he discovers that [[spoiler:his entire life and everything he ever fought for was all a lie]], he ''loses his shit''.
* In ''VideoGame/TalesOfDestiny2'', there are three loops being kept secret- Loni and Rutee [[spoiler: are keeping Stahn's death secret from Kyle, fearing he couldn't handle the truth and might end up like his father]] ([[ForbiddenFruit which turns out about]] [[HeroWorshipper as well as you might expect]]). Reala is keeping [[spoiler: her origins and Elraine's powers and motives]] secret from everyone, though Judas [[spoiler: knows some of it because Elraine tried to recruit him.]] Judas himself is ([[PaperThinDisguise poorly]]) hiding his own identity from everyone.

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*** In another example from ''VideoGame/FireEmblemFates'', Kaze didn't realize that [[spoiler: Kotaro and his clan were responsible for the death of his and Saizo's father because Saizo never told him of his suspicions until much later]].later; as a result, Kaze thinks for years that their dad was simply killed in the line of duty.]]. Additionally, he was unaware that Saizo's scar was a result of [[spoiler: him trying to confront Kotaro, since Kaze was apparently away from their village on the day this happened]].
** In ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemGaiden Echoes: Shadows of Valentia]]'', only a select few people (like [[spoiler: Mycen]]) are aware that [[spoiler:Alm is actually Rudolf's son and the true heir to the Rigelian throne]]. This is a particularly devastating loop for [[spoiler: Alm]] ''and'' for [[spoiler: Alm's cousin/Rudolf's ward]] Berkut to be locked out of; of: the first only finds out after [[spoiler: he ''has already fatally wounded his father Rudolf'']] and suffers a nasty HeroicBSOD, and when he the latter discovers that [[spoiler:his entire life and everything he ever fought for was all a lie]], he ''loses ''[[DespairEventHorizon completely loses]] [[DealWithTheDevil his shit''.
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* In ''VideoGame/TalesOfDestiny2'', there are three loops being kept secret- secret:
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Loni and Rutee [[spoiler: are keeping Stahn's death secret from Kyle, fearing he couldn't handle the truth and might end up like his father]] ([[ForbiddenFruit which turns out about]] [[HeroWorshipper as well as you one might expect]]). expect]]).
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Reala is keeping [[spoiler: her origins and Elraine's powers and motives]] secret from everyone, though Judas [[spoiler: knows some of it because Elraine tried to recruit him.]] ]]
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Judas himself is ([[PaperThinDisguise poorly]]) hiding his own identity [[spoiler: as Leon Magnus]] from everyone.
26th Sep '17 9:03:28 AM GlitteringFlowers
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* ''VisualNovel/{{Tsukihime}}'': Honestly, does ''anyone'' tell Shiki the stuff he really needs to know? The only one who's really honest with him, Arcueid, doesn't actually know a thing about his backstory. Even the other sane love interest never feels that it's necessary to tell him or flat out lies about [[spoiler:the {{twin switch}} so Kohaku doesn't realize he simply mixed them up until far too late.]]

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* ''VisualNovel/{{Tsukihime}}'': Honestly, does ''anyone'' tell Shiki the stuff he really needs to know? The only one who's really honest with him, Arcueid, doesn't actually know a thing about his backstory. Even the other sane love interest never feels that it's necessary to tell him or flat out lies about [[spoiler:the {{twin switch}} between Kohaku and Hisui]], so [[spoiler: Kohaku doesn't realize he simply mixed them up until far too late.]]


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* ''[[VisualNovel/ShallWeDateNinjaShadow Shall We Date?: Ninja Shadow]]'', Shintaro tends to be this. Twofold, even!:
** Regarding Saori/"Kaname" being a SweetPollyOliver, the Vigilantes who find out early tend to keep this from him since he CannotTalkToWomen and they want to "spare" him the embarrassment. The exception, logically, is his own route where, after lots of awkwardness, he becomes her SecretKeeper.
** In Makoto's route, Makoto goes through huge efforts to keep him in the dark about [[spoiler: his once-mentor Toru's FaceHeelTurn]] because he knows that Shintaro's heart will ''[[BrokenPedestal break]]'' if it happens. This throws quite a wrench in the group's dynamics since [[spoiler: Yuzuki]] believes that it's unfair to Shintaro.
5th Sep '17 9:38:29 AM LovePsychothefirst
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* In ''VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss'' this trope is somewhat exaggerated: from the start of the game, ''every single party member except one'' has a different part of the loop that they're keeping the main character locked out of, for their own reasons, and for the most part unaware of all the others. [[spoiler:Guy has been plotting with Van for years to kill Luke in front of his father as revenge for his own family's death. Anise is secretly reporting on all of their actions to Grand Maestro Mohs because he has her parents hostage. Tear wants to kill her brother Van because he actually wants to destroy the world, but she doesn't think anyone will believe her if she just says so because he's a VillainWithGoodPublicity. Jade figures out that Luke is a replica about two scenes after you meet him, but doesn't want to deal with the hassle of explaining when it's not relevant to the mission. The only one not deliberately keeping secrets from him is Natalia, and that's only because she doesn't ''know'' her own secret - that she's not the actual Princess, but was SwitchedAtBirth.]]

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* In ''VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss'' this trope is somewhat exaggerated: from the start of the game, ''every single party member except one'' has a different part of the loop that they're keeping the main character [[TheHero Luke]] [[ShelteredAristocrat fon]] [[TheChosenOne Fabre]] locked out of, for their own reasons, and for the most part unaware of all the others. [[spoiler:Guy has been plotting with Van for years to kill Luke in front of his father as revenge for his own family's death.deaths. Anise is secretly reporting on all of their actions to Grand Maestro Mohs because he has her parents hostage. Tear wants to kill her brother Van because he actually wants to destroy the world, but she doesn't think anyone will believe her if she just says so because he's a VillainWithGoodPublicity. Jade figures out that Luke is a replica about two scenes after you meet him, but doesn't want to deal with the hassle of explaining when it's not relevant to the mission. ]] The only one not deliberately keeping secrets from him is Natalia, and that's only because she doesn't ''know'' her own secret - [[spoiler: that she's not the actual Princess, but was SwitchedAtBirth.]]]] All of this is ''massively'' [[DeconstructedTrope deconstructed]] to say the least as all those secrets screw them over in various ways; at the very least, Luke ''knows'' they are hiding things from him and it doesn't improve his [[SpoiledBrat attitude]] at all. Much less makes him able to trust them.
3rd Sep '17 5:38:04 PM Nyame
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** Voldemort also practices this. He bestowed [[spoiler:two of his [[SoulJar horcruxes]]]] to Lucius Malfoy and Bellatrix Lestrange for safe-keeping, claiming them to be important and powerful objects, never revealing what exactly they are. While the latter took her duty seriously and had hers stored in Gringrotts, a nigh-impenetrable institution, the former used his to settle a petty feud with Arthur Weasley, pawning it off to Ginny Weasley so it would possess her and force her to open [[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheChamberOfSecrets the Chamber of Secrets]], unleashing a deadly basilisk on the school. This proved to be a fatal error, as not only did he fail in his goal, this particular object fell into the hands of Albus Dumbledore, [[spoiler:who saw it as the final confirmation that Voldemort created horcruxes]]. Had Lucius known what exactly that object actually was, he would've never given it to anyone, let alone Ginny, in the first place.
3rd Sep '17 12:31:47 PM benda
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* An unusual example in ''Film/AScannerDarkly'', where Bob Arctor locks ''himself'' out of the loop: [[spoiler:his Substance D abuse has split his personality to the point where he thinks Bob Arctor is the man he's chasing and that his undercover identity, Fred, is his real identity.]] By contrast, [[spoiler:despite the existing regulations of strict anonymity, Bob Arctor's police superiors probably knew his identity from the very beginning.]] Bob's reaction is not overly positive.


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* An unusual example in ''Literature/AScannerDarkly'' and its film adaptation, where Bob Arctor locks ''himself'' out of the loop: [[spoiler:his Substance D abuse has split his personality to the point where he thinks Bob Arctor is the man he's chasing and that his undercover identity, Fred, is his real identity.]] By contrast, [[spoiler:despite the existing regulations of strict anonymity, Bob's police superiors probably knew his identity from the very beginning.]] His reaction is not overly positive.
3rd Sep '17 12:29:46 PM benda
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* In ''Film/AScannerDarkly'', Bob Arctor's police superiors know his identity even though [[spoiler:his Substance D abuse has split his personality to the point where he thinks Bob Arctor is the man he's chasing and that his undercover identity, Fred, is his real identity.]] His reaction is not overly positive.

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* In An unusual example in ''Film/AScannerDarkly'', where Bob Arctor's police superiors know his identity even though Arctor locks ''himself'' out of the loop: [[spoiler:his Substance D abuse has split his personality to the point where he thinks Bob Arctor is the man he's chasing and that his undercover identity, Fred, is his real identity.]] His By contrast, [[spoiler:despite the existing regulations of strict anonymity, Bob Arctor's police superiors probably knew his identity from the very beginning.]] Bob's reaction is not overly positive.
21st Aug '17 5:29:57 PM Discar
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* In ''LightNovel/ACertainMagicalIndex'' and its sister show ''Manga/ACertainScientificRailgun'', the heroes often leave their loved ones in the dark about their adventures despite working and fighting side by side with them in others. In addition, hardly anybody in Academy City knows that magic exists.

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* In ''LightNovel/ACertainMagicalIndex'' and its sister show ''Manga/ACertainScientificRailgun'', the heroes often leave their loved ones in the dark about their adventures despite working and fighting side by side with them in others. In addition, hardly anybody in Academy City knows that magic exists. Whenever anybody on the Science side sees magic, they just assume it's some weird esper power. Even when the magician chants a spell and the InstantRunes start popping up.
25th Jul '17 3:59:29 AM Nyame
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* In the first season of ''Series/TheFlash2014'', majority of the main characters except Iris knew that Barry is the titular superhero and the Particle Accelerator incident is the cause of the metahumans. Barry, Cisco, Caitlin, Joe and later, Eddie agreed not to tell her because it would put her in harm's way. However, Iris eventually learned about Barry's secret identity and is so understandably pissed [[WhatTheHellHero that she called out on him and her father about it]].

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* ''Series/TheFlash2014'':
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In the first season of ''Series/TheFlash2014'', season, the majority of the main characters except Iris knew that Barry is the titular superhero and the Particle Accelerator incident is the cause of the metahumans. Barry, Cisco, Caitlin, Joe and later, Eddie agreed not to tell her because it would put her in harm's way. However, Iris eventually learned about Barry's secret identity and is so understandably pissed [[WhatTheHellHero that she called out on him and her father about it]].it]].
** The first nine episodes of Season 1, Iris was also the only person who didn't know Barry was in love with her, though unlike the above example, it was less about not telling her and [[EveryoneCanSeeIt more about her being oblivious to what many saw as obvious]] -- even Barry's biological father Henry knew, and he was in prison for most of his son's life. Barry confessed to her in the midseason finale, and eventually the above example causes a delayed reaction in which she rails against Joe and Barry for not telling her about that either. While Joe and Barry do take the heat for not telling her about Barry being the Flash, for this, Joe simply replies that it wasn't his secret to tell, while Barry calls out ''her'' for lying to him about her feelings (as it's obvious to everyone, including Barry, that she feels the same way about him).
3rd Jul '17 6:41:15 AM KillerClowns
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* In ''VideoGame/Injustice2'', [[ComicBook/{{Supergirl}} Kara Zor-El]] was sent to Earth alongside her cousin [[ComicBook/{{Superman}} Kal-El]] to teach him the ways of the Kryptonians, but arrived many years later due to her cryopod being knocked off-course to find a world where her infant cousin had grown into an adult. Par for the course for Supergirl, except that in the ''Injustice'' AlternateUniverse, Superman [[FallenHero went completely insane]], becoming a ruthless KnightTemplar dictator. Unfortunately for Supergirl, she is recovered by Regime loyalists who fail to mention this.
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