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6th Feb '18 7:22:46 PM nombretomado
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* This is Franchise/{{Batman}}'s schtick, especially during the period between the late 1990's to the mid 2000's, to the point where things would blow up spectacularly because he never bothered to tell people things at all. Some of the worst case scenarios include his backup plans against the Franchise/{{Justice League|of America}} (they were meant to be secret and he didn't want anyone to know... until Ra's al Ghul got them), his gang-controlling plan (He purposely locked Stephanie Brown out from it because he adamantly distrusted her) and not outright telling the Bat-Family that he might have let TheJoker know that he might know their identities (how was he supposed to know he'd figure it out?)

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* This is Franchise/{{Batman}}'s schtick, especially during the period between the late 1990's to the mid 2000's, to the point where things would blow up spectacularly because he never bothered to tell people things at all. Some of the worst case scenarios include his backup plans against the Franchise/{{Justice League|of America}} (they were meant to be secret and he didn't want anyone to know... until Ra's al Ghul got them), his gang-controlling plan (He purposely locked Stephanie Brown out from it because he adamantly distrusted her) and not outright telling the Bat-Family that he might have let TheJoker ComicBook/TheJoker know that he might know their identities (how was he supposed to know he'd figure it out?)
2nd Feb '18 1:49:09 AM Cryoclaste
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* In ''[[EnchantedForestChronicles Talking to Dragons]]'', nobody will explain to Daystar who he really is, what he's supposed to be doing with his mysterious magic sword, or any of the backstory involved. Justified in that the sword is being hunted by wizards who can only find it if its bearer knows what it is. Also, careful perusal of the series will show most of the people Daystar runs into at the start don't actually ''have'' complete and accurate information about that, even when they think they do. (For varying reasons, most of the wizards and elves in particular have been under- or misinformed.) The second person who knows everything does tell Daystar exactly why he can't be told more after there's been enough time for the ''first'' to vet Daystar's traveling companion (she knows her extended family).

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* In ''[[EnchantedForestChronicles Talking to Dragons]]'', ''Literature/TalkingToDragons'', nobody will explain to Daystar who he really is, what he's supposed to be doing with his mysterious magic sword, or any of the backstory involved. Justified in that the sword is being hunted by wizards who can only find it if its bearer knows what it is. Also, careful perusal of the series will show most of the people Daystar runs into at the start don't actually ''have'' complete and accurate information about that, even when they think they do. (For varying reasons, most of the wizards and elves in particular have been under- or misinformed.) The second person who knows everything does tell Daystar exactly why he can't be told more after there's been enough time for the ''first'' to vet Daystar's traveling companion (she knows her extended family).
29th Jan '18 6:01:48 PM ultimomant
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* ''Manga/FateKaleidLinerPrismaIllya'': Shirou Emiya has no idea about the existence of magic or that his family and neighbors are involved in MagicalGirl shenanigans.
27th Jan '18 9:19:18 AM JJHIL325
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** This gets {{Deconstructed|Trope}} during ''Film/TheLastJedi'': [[spoiler:Leia and Holdo don't tell anyone what the plan is to save them from the First Order ship following them, or that there actually ''is'' a plan. This not only leads Poe to send off Finn and Rose on an unauthorized mission to break into the enemy ship to hack the tracking device (a mission that completely failed and almost got them executed by the First Order because they trusted the wrong codebreaker), but he and several others end up convinced that Holdo is a traitor and mutiny against her. [[NiceJobBreakingItHero These two combined events kickstarted the chain of events that wiped out 95% of the resistance]]. If the leaders reassured everyone that they did have a plan to escape, nearly all of the rebels could have survived the movie]].

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** This gets {{Deconstructed|Trope}} during ''Film/TheLastJedi'': [[spoiler:Leia and Holdo don't tell anyone what the plan is to save them from the First Order ship following them, or that there actually ''is'' a plan. This not only leads Poe to send off Finn and Rose on an unauthorized mission to break into the enemy ship to hack destroy the tracking device (a mission that completely failed and almost got them executed by the First Order because they trusted the wrong codebreaker), but he and several others end up convinced that Holdo is a traitor and mutiny against her. [[NiceJobBreakingItHero These two combined events kickstarted the chain of events that wiped out 95% of the resistance]]. [[PoorCommunicationKills If the leaders reassured everyone that they did have a plan to escape, escape]], none of that would have happened, and nearly all of the rebels could have survived the movie]].
28th Dec '17 10:43:36 AM JJHIL325
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** This gets {{Deconstructed|Trope}} during ''Film/TheLastJedi'': [[spoiler:Leia and Holdo don't tell anyone what the plan is to save them from the First Order ship following them, or that there actually ''is'' a plan. This not only leads Poe to send off Finn and Rose on an unauthorized mission to break into the main First Order ship to hack it's tracking device (a mission that completely failed and almost got them executed by the First Order because they trusted the wrong codebreaker), but he and several others end up convinced that Holdo is a traitor and mutiny against her. [[NiceJobBreakingItHero These two combined events kickstarted the chain of events that wiped out 95% of the resistance]]. If the leaders reassured everyone that they did have a plan to escape, nearly all of the rebels could have survived the movie]].

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** This gets {{Deconstructed|Trope}} during ''Film/TheLastJedi'': [[spoiler:Leia and Holdo don't tell anyone what the plan is to save them from the First Order ship following them, or that there actually ''is'' a plan. This not only leads Poe to send off Finn and Rose on an unauthorized mission to break into the main First Order enemy ship to hack it's the tracking device (a mission that completely failed and almost got them executed by the First Order because they trusted the wrong codebreaker), but he and several others end up convinced that Holdo is a traitor and mutiny against her. [[NiceJobBreakingItHero These two combined events kickstarted the chain of events that wiped out 95% of the resistance]]. If the leaders reassured everyone that they did have a plan to escape, nearly all of the rebels could have survived the movie]].
26th Dec '17 1:17:48 PM JJHIL325
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** This gets {{Deconstructed|Trope}} during ''Film/TheLastJedi'': [[spoiler:Leia and Holdo don't tell anyone what the plan is to save them from the First Order ship following them, or that there actually ''is'' a plan. This not only leads Poe to send off Finn and Rose on an unauthorized mission to break into the ship to defeat it (a mission that completely failed and almost got them executed by the First Order because they trusted the wrong person), but he ends up convinced that Holdo is a traitor and starts a mutiny against her. [[NiceJobBreakingItHero These two combined events kickstarted the chain of events that caused the 500 Rebels to dwindle down to barely thirty]]. If the leaders reassured everyone that they did have a plan to escape, nearly all of the rebels could have survived the movie]].

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** This gets {{Deconstructed|Trope}} during ''Film/TheLastJedi'': [[spoiler:Leia and Holdo don't tell anyone what the plan is to save them from the First Order ship following them, or that there actually ''is'' a plan. This not only leads Poe to send off Finn and Rose on an unauthorized mission to break into the main First Order ship to defeat it hack it's tracking device (a mission that completely failed and almost got them executed by the First Order because they trusted the wrong person), codebreaker), but he ends and several others end up convinced that Holdo is a traitor and starts a mutiny against her. [[NiceJobBreakingItHero These two combined events kickstarted the chain of events that caused wiped out 95% of the 500 Rebels to dwindle down to barely thirty]].resistance]]. If the leaders reassured everyone that they did have a plan to escape, nearly all of the rebels could have survived the movie]].
26th Dec '17 7:33:35 AM ultimomant
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* [[DeconstructedTrope Deconstructed]] in ''Disney/TheLittleMermaidIIReturnOfTheSea''. After Morgana threatens Melody's life for Triton's trident, Ariel decides it's best to keep Melody's mermaid heritage a secret and forbid her from going into the sea. This comes back to haunt her 12 years later since Melody goes to Morgana for help and the sea witch uses Melody's ignorance to her advantage; Ariel even acknowledges that [[CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot if she had just told Melody the truth in the first place, the entire mess could have been avoided]].

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* [[DeconstructedTrope Deconstructed]] in ''Disney/TheLittleMermaidIIReturnOfTheSea''.''Disney/TheLittleMermaidIIReturnToTheSea''. After Morgana threatens Melody's life for Triton's trident, Ariel decides it's best to keep Melody's mermaid heritage a secret and forbid her from going into the sea. This comes back to haunt her 12 years later since Melody goes to Morgana for help and the sea witch uses Melody's ignorance to her advantage; Ariel even acknowledges that [[CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot if she had just told Melody the truth in the first place, the entire mess could have been avoided]].
26th Dec '17 7:28:46 AM ultimomant
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* In ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirlsFriendshipGames'', nobody bothers to tell Flash Sentry what is really going on or that the human Twilight Sparkle is not the same person as Princess Twilight Sparkle. As a result, he spends most of his screen time confused and heartbroken when the human Twilight avoids him.

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* In ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirlsFriendshipGames'', nobody bothers to tell Flash Sentry what is really going on or that the human Twilight Sparkle is not the same person as Princess Twilight Sparkle. As a result, he spends most of his screen time confused and heartbroken when the human Twilight avoids him. Also, in this and later films, nobody bothers to tell him Sunset Shimmer has a magic journal that can communicate with Princess Twilight.
25th Dec '17 10:27:18 PM JJHIL325
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** This gets {{Deconstructed|Trope}} during ''Film/TheLastJedi'': [[spoiler:Leia and Holdo don't tell anyone what the plan is to save them from the First Order ship following them, or that there actually ''is'' a plan. This not only leads Poe to send off Finn and Rose on an unauthorized mission to break into the ship to defeat it (a mission that completely failed and almost got them executed by the First Order because they trusted the wrong person), but he ends up convinced that Holdo is a traitor and starts a mutiny against her. [[NiceJobBreakingItHero These two combined events kickstarted the chain of events that caused the 500 Rebels to dwindle down to barely thirty]]. If the leaders reassured everyone that they did have a plan to escape, nearly all of the rebels could have survived the movie]].
23rd Dec '17 5:44:55 AM FoxBluereaver
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* Defied in ''Fanfic/SonOfTheSannin''. When Hiruzen Sarutobi intends to keep Naruto's lineage and birth circumnstances a secret, Jiraiya is quick to point out the reasons why that's a ''bad'' idea, and eventually tells Naruto himself the whole truth once he's old enough.
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