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21st Aug '17 2:09:31 PM thatother1dude
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* ''VideoGame/AlienShooter Vengeance'' has several of these thanks to the SortingAlgorithmOfWeaponEffectiveness. Early guns are, naturally, fairly weak, but there is something rather off about a gun explicitly stated to be a Colt .45 Peacemaker being only marginally more powerful than a [[NailEm nail gun]] and demonstrably inferior in power to a Makarov PM or a FlareGun. Equally odd is that a TEC-9 AKA47'd as the KG-9 is ''even weaker'' than the nail gun!
4th Aug '17 1:17:41 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* Ladies and Germs, behold the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_mm_Kolibri Kolibri pistol]]. With a '''2.7mm''' caliber, smoothbore barrel and maximum of 1.5 inches of penetration in pine board, we have a sterling real life example of a LittleUselessGun. Strong language would've protected you better than this pea shooter. By the way, the inventor of the tiny pistol [[UnfortunateImplications intended it for women]]. To get a sense of the energy coming out of one of these, a heavy (0.43g) airsoft pellet traveling at 120m/s (for high end models) has roughly 3/4's the energy of the bullet coming out of a Kolibri. The technology at the time was not advanced enough to rifle a gun barrel that small, so the bullet had no spin, and thus was also terribly inaccurate. It may be the only gun that is potentially more lethal if you ''swallow'' it.

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* Ladies and Germs, behold the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_mm_Kolibri Kolibri pistol]]. With a '''2.7mm''' caliber, smoothbore barrel and maximum of 1.5 inches of penetration in pine board, we have a sterling real life example of a LittleUselessGun.Little Useless Gun. Strong language would've protected you better than this pea shooter. By the way, the inventor of the tiny pistol [[UnfortunateImplications intended it for women]]. To get a sense of the energy coming out of one of these, a heavy (0.43g) airsoft pellet traveling at 120m/s (for high end models) has roughly 3/4's the energy of the bullet coming out of a Kolibri. The technology at the time was not advanced enough to rifle a gun barrel that small, so the bullet had no spin, and thus was also terribly inaccurate. It may be the only gun that is potentially more lethal if you ''swallow'' it.
4th Aug '17 1:10:04 PM REV6Pilot
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[[caption-width-right:350:"Feels like I'm gonna break this damn thing!"[[labelnote:Note]]Note that "this damn thing" is actually one ''[[PintSizedPowerhouse hell]]'' of a subversion.[[/labelnote]]]]

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[[caption-width-right:350:"Feels like I'm gonna break this damn thing!"[[labelnote:Note]]Note that "this damn thing" is actually one ''[[PintSizedPowerhouse hell]]'' of a subversion.[[HandCannon subversion]].[[/labelnote]]]]
31st Jul '17 9:18:27 PM WillBGood
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* Played with in ''Film/Strapped''. Most of the guns bought, sold, carried and seen are Saturday Night Special-types in .22, .25, and .32 calibers, however the ones actually used for killing are in large calibers and frame sizes.

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* Played with in ''Film/Strapped''.''Film/{{Strapped}}''. Most of the guns bought, sold, carried and seen are Saturday Night Special-types in .22, .25, and .32 calibers, however the ones actually used for killing are in large calibers and frame sizes.
23rd Jul '17 4:05:34 PM Kadorhal
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[[caption-width-right:350:"Feels like I'm gonna break this damn thing!"[[labelnote:Note]]Note that "this damn thing" is actually one ''[[PintSizedPowerhouse hell]]'' of a subversionstra.[[/labelnote]]]]

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[[caption-width-right:350:"Feels like I'm gonna break this damn thing!"[[labelnote:Note]]Note that "this damn thing" is actually one ''[[PintSizedPowerhouse hell]]'' of a subversionstra.subversion.[[/labelnote]]]]
1st Jul '17 3:10:22 PM REV6Pilot
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* Averted in ''VideoGame/{{STALKER}}''. Even the 9x18mm Makarov, the smallest caliber in the game, kills in one headshot if the target isn't using good head protection, and an SMG fitted for said caliber chews through low- and mid-tier mutants like dogs, rodents and boars.
28th Jun '17 10:24:49 PM PaulA
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* In ''Film/MrAndMrsSmith'', the eponymous characters are getting guns from a stash. Mrs. Smith complains when she is given the visibly smaller "girl gun."

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* In ''Film/MrAndMrsSmith'', ''Film/MrAndMrsSmith2005'', the eponymous characters are getting guns from a stash. Mrs. Smith complains when she is given the visibly smaller "girl gun."gun".
24th Jun '17 11:59:25 AM YgothanEru
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On the other hand, small-caliber firearms, such as .22 rimfire "Purse Guns", are ''worthless'' against most forms of ballistic armor, which will stop a small caliber round ''flat''. Literally. Higher caliber pistols like the .45 and 9mm are more likely to get through, but aren't guaranteed, while rifle rounds like the 5.56 will go clean through, and require modern heavy-duty armor to have any chance of stopping them. Even then, some bruises or even have broken bones will result from the force of the shot.

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On the other hand, small-caliber firearms, such as .22 rimfire "Purse Guns", are ''worthless'' against most forms of ballistic armor, which will stop a small caliber round ''flat''. Literally. Higher caliber pistols like the .45 and 9mm are more likely to get through, but aren't guaranteed, guaranteed to do so, while rifle rounds like the 5.56 will go clean through, and require modern heavy-duty armor to have any chance of stopping them. Even then, some bruises or even have broken bones will result from the force of the shot.
24th Jun '17 11:58:08 AM YgothanEru
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On the other hand, small-caliber firearms, such as .22 rimfire "Purse Guns" are ''worthless'' against most forms of ballistic armor, which will stop a small caliber round ''flat''. Literally. Higher caliber pistols like the .45 and 9mm are more likely to get through, but aren't guaranteed, while rifle rounds like the 5.56 will go clean through, and require modern heavy-duty armor to have any chance of stopping them, and even then will likely be bruised or even have broken bones from the force of the shot.

Since you can't exactly subject live humans to rigorously controlled lethal testing its doubtful that debate will end any time soon.

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On the other hand, small-caliber firearms, such as .22 rimfire "Purse Guns" Guns", are ''worthless'' against most forms of ballistic armor, which will stop a small caliber round ''flat''. Literally. Higher caliber pistols like the .45 and 9mm are more likely to get through, but aren't guaranteed, while rifle rounds like the 5.56 will go clean through, and require modern heavy-duty armor to have any chance of stopping them, and even then will likely be bruised them. Even then, some bruises or even have broken bones will result from the force of the shot.

Since you can't exactly subject live humans to rigorously controlled lethal testing its testing, it's doubtful that debate will end any time soon.
24th Jun '17 11:55:08 AM YgothanEru
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The idea that small-caliber and/or low-powered weapons are useless in combat probably comes from the somewhat vague notion of "stopping power" and that BiggerIsBetter in this regard. Even wounds that are fatal will generally not result in an InstantDeathBullet, and it is not unknown for a target to keep going after having been shot, sometimes not even noticing. So the theory goes that larger caliber weapons are more likely to ensure that a target will actually stop in fewer shots. The ''other'' side of the argument is that most of the "evidence" for stopping power is almost purely anecdotal and no scientific mechanism for its function has been confirmed. Furthermore, many comparatively smaller guns can have [[MoreDakka twice the rounds (or more) per magazine]] versus a massive HandCannon as well as far less recoil and weight, and so are "more likely" to be accurate. While certainly size does matter in ballistics, the debate mostly centers around weapons of the same type (pistols vs pistols, rifle vs rifles) not a Derringer next to a [[{{BFG}} .50 BMG sniper rifle]], thus the differences are comparatively small.

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The idea that small-caliber and/or low-powered weapons are useless in combat probably comes from the somewhat vague notion of "stopping power" and that BiggerIsBetter in this regard. Even wounds that are fatal will generally not result in an InstantDeathBullet, and it is not unknown for a target to keep going after having been shot, sometimes not even noticing. So the theory goes that larger caliber weapons are more likely to ensure that a target will actually stop in fewer shots. The ''other'' side of the argument is that most of the "evidence" for stopping power is almost purely anecdotal and no scientific mechanism for its function has been confirmed. Furthermore, many comparatively smaller guns can have [[MoreDakka twice the rounds (or more) per magazine]] versus a massive HandCannon as well as far less recoil and weight, and so are "more likely" to be accurate. While size certainly size does matter in ballistics, the debate mostly centers around weapons of the same type (pistols vs pistols, rifle vs rifles) not a Derringer next to a [[{{BFG}} .50 BMG sniper rifle]], thus the differences are comparatively small.
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