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27th Jan '16 8:42:09 AM MarkLungo
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** With the ''ComicBook/{{New 52}}'', the Justice Society has suffered a major legacy implosion, with the all of the children and grandchildren wiped from existence and the original JSA members becoming young again. The divide between ''ComicBook/{{Earth2}} and the main DCU also has brought up a kind of OneSteveLimit, in that TheFlash and GreenLantern are the only superheroes with ongoing stories to have versions in both universes[[note]] Earth 2 also had versions of Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman, but they get killed off in the prologue of the series[[/note]]. Every other superhero is editorially confined to either one continuity or the other. So, for example, ComicBook/TheSpectre, traditionally a JSA character, is now in the main DC universe instead of Earth 2 with the rest of the rebooted Golden Age characters.
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** With the ''ComicBook/{{New 52}}'', the Justice Society has suffered a major legacy implosion, with the all of the children and grandchildren wiped from existence and the original JSA members becoming young again. The divide between ''ComicBook/{{Earth2}} and the main DCU also has brought up a kind of OneSteveLimit, in that TheFlash Franchise/TheFlash and GreenLantern Franchise/GreenLantern are the only superheroes with ongoing stories to have versions in both universes[[note]] Earth 2 also had versions of Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman, but they get killed off in the prologue of the series[[/note]]. Every other superhero is editorially confined to either one continuity or the other. So, for example, ComicBook/TheSpectre, traditionally a JSA character, is now in the main DC universe instead of Earth 2 with the rest of the rebooted Golden Age characters.
26th Jan '16 8:51:04 PM nombretomado
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** SupermanTheAnimatedSeries handled this by making Supergirl from a nearby planet (thus getting the same powers and suffering the same fate as Krypton). And Krypto is [[MythologyGag Bizarro's pet... thing.]] (The actual dog himself did make a few [[TheCameo cameos]]).
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** SupermanTheAnimatedSeries ''WesternAnimation/SupermanTheAnimatedSeries'' handled this by making Supergirl from a nearby planet (thus getting the same powers and suffering the same fate as Krypton). And Krypto is [[MythologyGag Bizarro's pet... thing.]] (The actual dog himself did make a few [[TheCameo cameos]]).
20th Jan '16 2:15:28 PM Anicomicgeek
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* Following "War Games", Franchise/{{Batman}}'s TrueCompanions were imploded piece-by-piece, with the exceptions of marketable stalwarts Robin and Nightwing. Orpheus dead, Spoiler dead [[StuffedIntoTheFridge for dubious reasons]], long-time confidant Leslie Thompkins implicated in killing the latter "to teach Batman a lesson", current Batgirl realizing a FaceHeelTurn, former Batgirl Oracle bombed out of her headquarters and sent away from Gotham City along with her Birds of Prey team, Onyx inexplicably vanished from the books, Commissioner Gordon (who'd already retired by then) moving out of Gotham, the rest of the GCPD pretty much turning against him... Some of these got [[AuthorsSavingThrow undone]]: Steph [[BackFromTheDead wasn't really dead]], and became the new Batgirl, Cassie turned out to be under mind-control and joined Batman Incorporated as Black Bat, and Babs returned to the Bat-fold as Batman Inc's computer specialist. As of the ComicBook/{{New 52}}, Babs is Batgirl again, however the fate (or existence) of the others is currently unknown. (WordOfGod is that Stephanie and Cassandra are "[[ChuckCunninghamSyndrome toxic]]"). Both Cassandra and Stephanie later returned, but thanks to the new continuity, neither girl was ever Batgirl.
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* Following "War Games", Franchise/{{Batman}}'s TrueCompanions were imploded piece-by-piece, with the exceptions of marketable stalwarts Robin and Nightwing. Orpheus dead, Spoiler dead [[StuffedIntoTheFridge for dubious reasons]], long-time confidant Leslie Thompkins implicated in killing the latter "to teach Batman a lesson", current Batgirl realizing a FaceHeelTurn, former Batgirl Oracle bombed out of her headquarters and sent away from Gotham City along with her Birds of Prey team, Onyx inexplicably vanished from the books, Commissioner Gordon (who'd already retired by then) moving out of Gotham, the rest of the GCPD pretty much turning against him... Some of these got [[AuthorsSavingThrow undone]]: Steph [[BackFromTheDead wasn't really dead]], and became the new Batgirl, Cassie turned out to be under mind-control and joined Batman Incorporated as Black Bat, Jim Gordon moved back and was reinstated as commissioner, the GCPD resmued relations with Batman, and Babs returned to the Bat-fold as Batman Inc's computer specialist. As of the ComicBook/{{New 52}}, Babs is Batgirl again, however the fate (or existence) of the others is currently unknown. (WordOfGod is that Stephanie and Cassandra are "[[ChuckCunninghamSyndrome toxic]]"). Both Cassandra and Stephanie later returned, but thanks to the new continuity, neither girl was ever Batgirl.
18th Jan '16 9:26:45 PM Rubber_Lotus
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** SupermanTheAnimatedSeries handled this by making Supergirl from a nearby planet (thus getting the same powers and suffering the same fate as Krypton). And Krypto is [[MythologyGag Bizarro's pet...thing.]] (The actual dog himself did make a few [[TheCameo cameos]]).
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** SupermanTheAnimatedSeries handled this by making Supergirl from a nearby planet (thus getting the same powers and suffering the same fate as Krypton). And Krypto is [[MythologyGag Bizarro's pet... thing.]] (The actual dog himself did make a few [[TheCameo cameos]]).

* Franchise/{{Batman}}'s TrueCompanions were imploded piece-by-piece, with the exceptions of marketable stalwarts Robin and Nightwing. Orpheus dead, Spoiler dead [[StuffedIntoTheFridge for dubious reasons]], long-time confidant Leslie Thompkins implicated in killing the latter "to teach Batman a lesson", current Batgirl realizing a FaceHeelTurn, former Batgirl Oracle bombed out of her headquarters and sent away from Gotham City along with her Birds of Prey team, Onyx inexplicably vanished from the books. Some of these got [[AuthorsSavingThrow undone]]: Steph [[BackFromTheDead wasn't really dead]], and became the new Batgirl, Cassie turned out to be under mind-control and joined Batman Incorporated as Black Bat, and Babs returned to the Bat-fold as Batman Inc's computer specialist. As of the ComicBook/{{New 52}}, Babs is Batgirl again, however the fate (or existence) of the others is currently unknown. (WordOfGod is that Stephanie and Cassandra are "[[ChuckCunninghamSyndrome toxic]]"). Both Cassandra and Stephanie later returned, but thanks to the new continuity, neither girl was ever Batgirl.
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* Following "War Games", Franchise/{{Batman}}'s TrueCompanions were imploded piece-by-piece, with the exceptions of marketable stalwarts Robin and Nightwing. Orpheus dead, Spoiler dead [[StuffedIntoTheFridge for dubious reasons]], long-time confidant Leslie Thompkins implicated in killing the latter "to teach Batman a lesson", current Batgirl realizing a FaceHeelTurn, former Batgirl Oracle bombed out of her headquarters and sent away from Gotham City along with her Birds of Prey team, Onyx inexplicably vanished from the books.books, Commissioner Gordon (who'd already retired by then) moving out of Gotham, the rest of the GCPD pretty much turning against him... Some of these got [[AuthorsSavingThrow undone]]: Steph [[BackFromTheDead wasn't really dead]], and became the new Batgirl, Cassie turned out to be under mind-control and joined Batman Incorporated as Black Bat, and Babs returned to the Bat-fold as Batman Inc's computer specialist. As of the ComicBook/{{New 52}}, Babs is Batgirl again, however the fate (or existence) of the others is currently unknown. (WordOfGod is that Stephanie and Cassandra are "[[ChuckCunninghamSyndrome toxic]]"). Both Cassandra and Stephanie later returned, but thanks to the new continuity, neither girl was ever Batgirl.
7th Jan '16 8:24:30 PM nombretomado
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** With the ''ComicBook/{{New 52}}'', the Justice Society has suffered a major legacy implosion, with the all of the children and grandchildren wiped from existence and the original JSA members becoming young again. The divide between ''ComicBook/{{Earth2}} and the main DCU also has brought up a kind of OneSteveLimit, in that TheFlash and GreenLantern are the only superheroes with ongoing stories to have versions in both universes[[note]] Earth 2 also had versions of Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman, but they get killed off in the prologue of the series[[/note]]. Every other superhero is editorially confined to either one continuity or the other. So, for example, TheSpectre, traditionally a JSA character, is now in the main DC universe instead of Earth 2 with the rest of the rebooted Golden Age characters.
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** With the ''ComicBook/{{New 52}}'', the Justice Society has suffered a major legacy implosion, with the all of the children and grandchildren wiped from existence and the original JSA members becoming young again. The divide between ''ComicBook/{{Earth2}} and the main DCU also has brought up a kind of OneSteveLimit, in that TheFlash and GreenLantern are the only superheroes with ongoing stories to have versions in both universes[[note]] Earth 2 also had versions of Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman, but they get killed off in the prologue of the series[[/note]]. Every other superhero is editorially confined to either one continuity or the other. So, for example, TheSpectre, ComicBook/TheSpectre, traditionally a JSA character, is now in the main DC universe instead of Earth 2 with the rest of the rebooted Golden Age characters.
25th Dec '15 6:07:19 PM nombretomado
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* This was the major criticism of ''ComicBook/BlackestNight'' (generally well-received otherwise) and ''ComicBook/BrightestDay''. In the former, the number of non-legacy characters who died and ''stayed'' dead was exactly one, [[Comicbook/{{Aquaman}} Tempest]], with other casualties including [[ComicBook/{{Hawkman}} Hawkgirl II]], [[ComicBook/HawkAndDove Hawk II]], Damage (one of the numerous inheritors of the original [[ComicBook/TheAtom Atom]]'s mantle), Gehenna Hewett (half of ComicBook/{{Firestorm}} II), and Doctor Polaris II, the last of these only receiving an offhand mention and never actually being shown. Seeing a pattern here? ''ComicBook/BrightestDay'' killed off yet another Atom legacy and [[ComicBook/MartianManhunter Miss Martian]] was presumed dead for a couple issues, too. The fans didn't take any of this particularly well, and it added more fuel to the EpilepticTrees that the DC suits want the SilverAge back.
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* This was the major criticism of ''ComicBook/BlackestNight'' (generally well-received otherwise) and ''ComicBook/BrightestDay''. In the former, the number of non-legacy characters who died and ''stayed'' dead was exactly one, [[Comicbook/{{Aquaman}} Tempest]], with other casualties including [[ComicBook/{{Hawkman}} Hawkgirl II]], [[ComicBook/HawkAndDove Hawk II]], Damage (one of the numerous inheritors of the original [[ComicBook/TheAtom Atom]]'s mantle), Gehenna Hewett (half of ComicBook/{{Firestorm}} II), and Doctor Polaris II, the last of these only receiving an offhand mention and never actually being shown. Seeing a pattern here? ''ComicBook/BrightestDay'' killed off yet another Atom legacy and [[ComicBook/MartianManhunter Miss Martian]] was presumed dead for a couple issues, too. The fans didn't take any of this particularly well, and it added more fuel to the EpilepticTrees that the DC suits want the SilverAge UsefulNotes/{{the Silver Age|of Comic Books}} back.
19th Dec '15 5:36:48 PM nombretomado
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* MarvelComics did this to the Comicbook/{{X-Men}} with ''House of M/Decimation''; millions of mutants all over the world were depowered, except for 198, supposedly chosen at random. Very few characters anyone cared about at all lost their powers, and those who did gained them back pretty quickly. Recently, a new mutant baby has been born, signaling the return of mutants to the wider MarvelUniverse. * In a storyline right before ''ComicBook/SecretWars2015'', an intelligent version of ''ComicBook/TheIncredibleHulk'' known as Doc Green ran around the Marvel Universe, depowering all the other gamma-powered characters regardless of alignment, exposure, or popularity. [[spoiler: At the end of the storyline, the only remaining gamma mutates were Hulk himself, SheHulk and the super villain The Leader.]]
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* MarvelComics did this to the Comicbook/{{X-Men}} ComicBook/XMen with ''House of M/Decimation''; millions of mutants all over the world were depowered, except for 198, supposedly chosen at random. Very few characters anyone cared about at all lost their powers, and those who did gained them back pretty quickly. Recently, a new mutant baby has been born, signaling the return of mutants to the wider MarvelUniverse. * In a storyline right before ''ComicBook/SecretWars2015'', an intelligent version of ''ComicBook/TheIncredibleHulk'' known as Doc Green ran around the Marvel Universe, depowering all the other gamma-powered characters regardless of alignment, exposure, or popularity. [[spoiler: At the end of the storyline, the only remaining gamma mutates were Hulk himself, SheHulk ComicBook/SheHulk and the super villain The Leader.]]
12th Dec '15 2:29:51 PM comicwriter
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* Franchise/{{Batman}}'s TrueCompanions were imploded piece-by-piece, with the exceptions of marketable stalwarts Robin and Nightwing. Orpheus dead, Spoiler dead [[StuffedIntoTheFridge for dubious reasons]], long-time confidant Leslie Thompkins implicated in killing the latter "to teach Batman a lesson", current Batgirl realizing a FaceHeelTurn, former Batgirl Oracle bombed out of her headquarters and sent away from Gotham City along with her Birds of Prey team, Onyx inexplicably vanished from the books. Some of these got [[AuthorsSavingThrow undone]]: Steph [[BackFromTheDead wasn't really dead]], and became the new Batgirl, Cassie turned out to be under mind-control and joined Batman Incorporated as Black Bat, and Babs returned to the Bat-fold as Batman Inc's computer specialist. As of the ComicBook/{{New 52}}, Babs is Batgirl again, however the fate (or existence) of the others is currently unknown. (WordOfGod is that Stephanie and Cassandra are "[[ChuckCunninghamSyndrome toxic]]")
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* Franchise/{{Batman}}'s TrueCompanions were imploded piece-by-piece, with the exceptions of marketable stalwarts Robin and Nightwing. Orpheus dead, Spoiler dead [[StuffedIntoTheFridge for dubious reasons]], long-time confidant Leslie Thompkins implicated in killing the latter "to teach Batman a lesson", current Batgirl realizing a FaceHeelTurn, former Batgirl Oracle bombed out of her headquarters and sent away from Gotham City along with her Birds of Prey team, Onyx inexplicably vanished from the books. Some of these got [[AuthorsSavingThrow undone]]: Steph [[BackFromTheDead wasn't really dead]], and became the new Batgirl, Cassie turned out to be under mind-control and joined Batman Incorporated as Black Bat, and Babs returned to the Bat-fold as Batman Inc's computer specialist. As of the ComicBook/{{New 52}}, Babs is Batgirl again, however the fate (or existence) of the others is currently unknown. (WordOfGod is that Stephanie and Cassandra are "[[ChuckCunninghamSyndrome toxic]]") toxic]]"). Both Cassandra and Stephanie later returned, but thanks to the new continuity, neither girl was ever Batgirl.
18th Oct '15 9:50:17 AM nombretomado
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* The biggest PostCrisis change to Comicbook/{{Superman}} was the decision that "last son of Krypton" meant ''last'', as in no other Kryptonians ever, period. General Zod becomes a Russian, Kandor becomes an alien ghetto and thus devoid of actual Kryptonians, PowerGirl becomes an [[{{Atlantis}} Atlantean]], and {{Supergirl}} becomes... uh, [[ContinuitySnarl you'd better see that entry for yourself]]. They've lightened up on that in recent years, without returning to constantly tripping over one more Kryptonian a la pre-Crisis comics (or ''{{Smallville}}''), as various writers attempted to reclaim the concepts ''without'' hitting the ResetButton -- [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Krypton at least, so fa-.]]
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* The biggest PostCrisis ComicBook/PostCrisis change to Comicbook/{{Superman}} was the decision that "last son of Krypton" meant ''last'', as in no other Kryptonians ever, period. General Zod becomes a Russian, Kandor becomes an alien ghetto and thus devoid of actual Kryptonians, PowerGirl ComicBook/PowerGirl becomes an [[{{Atlantis}} Atlantean]], and {{Supergirl}} ComicBook/{{Supergirl}} becomes... uh, [[ContinuitySnarl you'd better see that entry for yourself]]. They've lightened up on that in recent years, without returning to constantly tripping over one more Kryptonian a la pre-Crisis comics (or ''{{Smallville}}''), ''Series/{{Smallville}}''), as various writers attempted to reclaim the concepts ''without'' hitting the ResetButton -- [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Krypton at least, so fa-.]]
10th Oct '15 9:48:03 AM nombretomado
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** ''TheFlash'' suffered this again in the {{New 52}}. Wally West is who knows where, Jay Garrick is on [[ComicBook/{{Earth 2}} another Earth]], Max Mercury and the Quicks could be either. Bart Allen still exists, but doesn't currently have a real connection to Barry. * Franchise/{{Batman}}'s TrueCompanions were imploded piece-by-piece, with the exceptions of marketable stalwarts Robin and Nightwing. Orpheus dead, Spoiler dead [[StuffedIntoTheFridge for dubious reasons]], long-time confidant Leslie Thompkins implicated in killing the latter "to teach Batman a lesson", current Batgirl realizing a FaceHeelTurn, former Batgirl Oracle bombed out of her headquarters and sent away from Gotham City along with her Birds of Prey team, Onyx inexplicably vanished from the books. Some of these got [[AuthorsSavingThrow undone]]: Steph [[BackFromTheDead wasn't really dead]], and became the new Batgirl, Cassie turned out to be under mind-control and joined Batman Incorporated as Black Bat, and Babs returned to the Bat-fold as Batman Inc's computer specialist. As of the {{New 52}}, Babs is Batgirl again, however the fate (or existence) of the others is currently unknown. (WordOfGod is that Stephanie and Cassandra are "[[ChuckCunninghamSyndrome toxic]]")
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** ''TheFlash'' suffered this again in the {{New ComicBook/{{New 52}}. Wally West is who knows where, Jay Garrick is on [[ComicBook/{{Earth 2}} another Earth]], Max Mercury and the Quicks could be either. Bart Allen still exists, but doesn't currently have a real connection to Barry. * Franchise/{{Batman}}'s TrueCompanions were imploded piece-by-piece, with the exceptions of marketable stalwarts Robin and Nightwing. Orpheus dead, Spoiler dead [[StuffedIntoTheFridge for dubious reasons]], long-time confidant Leslie Thompkins implicated in killing the latter "to teach Batman a lesson", current Batgirl realizing a FaceHeelTurn, former Batgirl Oracle bombed out of her headquarters and sent away from Gotham City along with her Birds of Prey team, Onyx inexplicably vanished from the books. Some of these got [[AuthorsSavingThrow undone]]: Steph [[BackFromTheDead wasn't really dead]], and became the new Batgirl, Cassie turned out to be under mind-control and joined Batman Incorporated as Black Bat, and Babs returned to the Bat-fold as Batman Inc's computer specialist. As of the {{New ComicBook/{{New 52}}, Babs is Batgirl again, however the fate (or existence) of the others is currently unknown. (WordOfGod is that Stephanie and Cassandra are "[[ChuckCunninghamSyndrome toxic]]")

* This was the major criticism of ''ComicBook/BlackestNight'' (generally well-received otherwise) and ''ComicBook/BrightestDay''. In the former, the number of non-legacy characters who died and ''stayed'' dead was exactly one, [[Comicbook/{{Aquaman}} Tempest]], with other casualties including [[ComicBook/{{Hawkman}} Hawkgirl II]], [[HawkAndDove Hawk II]], Damage (one of the numerous inheritors of the original [[TheAtom Atom]]'s mantle), Gehenna Hewett (half of ComicBook/{{Firestorm}} II), and Doctor Polaris II, the last of these only receiving an offhand mention and never actually being shown. Seeing a pattern here? ''ComicBook/BrightestDay'' killed off yet another Atom legacy and [[ComicBook/MartianManhunter Miss Martian]] was presumed dead for a couple issues, too. The fans didn't take any of this particularly well, and it added more fuel to the EpilepticTrees that the DC suits want the SilverAge back.
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* This was the major criticism of ''ComicBook/BlackestNight'' (generally well-received otherwise) and ''ComicBook/BrightestDay''. In the former, the number of non-legacy characters who died and ''stayed'' dead was exactly one, [[Comicbook/{{Aquaman}} Tempest]], with other casualties including [[ComicBook/{{Hawkman}} Hawkgirl II]], [[HawkAndDove [[ComicBook/HawkAndDove Hawk II]], Damage (one of the numerous inheritors of the original [[TheAtom [[ComicBook/TheAtom Atom]]'s mantle), Gehenna Hewett (half of ComicBook/{{Firestorm}} II), and Doctor Polaris II, the last of these only receiving an offhand mention and never actually being shown. Seeing a pattern here? ''ComicBook/BrightestDay'' killed off yet another Atom legacy and [[ComicBook/MartianManhunter Miss Martian]] was presumed dead for a couple issues, too. The fans didn't take any of this particularly well, and it added more fuel to the EpilepticTrees that the DC suits want the SilverAge back.

*** The {{New 52}} reboot then tried to answer some of this. Jason Rusch (the black Firestorm) shared ownership of the identity with the original, and Ryan Choi was initially stated to be the only Atom. DC has since [[FlipFlopOfGod backtracked a little]] by introducing a new, female Atom instead [[spoiler:who turned out to be evil]].
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*** The {{New ComicBook/{{New 52}} reboot then tried to answer some of this. Jason Rusch (the black Firestorm) shared ownership of the identity with the original, and Ryan Choi was initially stated to be the only Atom. DC has since [[FlipFlopOfGod backtracked a little]] by introducing a new, female Atom instead [[spoiler:who turned out to be evil]].
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