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28th Oct '16 7:24:47 AM XSpectreGreyX
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** ''TheFlash'' suffered this again in the ComicBook/{{New 52}}, at least for the vast majority of its publication. Wally West was completely removed from the DCU, Jay Garrick is on [[ComicBook/{{Earth 2}} another Earth]], Max Mercury and the Quicks don't exist, and neither do any evil speedsters aside from new character Daniel West. Bart Allen still exists, but doesn't have a real connection to Barry and was PutOnABus after ''Teen Titans'' ended. ''ComicBook/DCRebirth'' and the associated Flash-related titles went out of their way to ''avert'' this: Wally West returns during the event, Wally West II got a bigger push as Kid Flash, the Justice Society is returning and Max Mercury is returning.
** The Reverse-Flashes, also in the New 52. The Rival doesn't even appear in ''Earth 2'' where his nemesis Jay Garrick is. Eobard Thawne was unseen for ''years'', but eventually returned, though he never uses the name Reverse-Flash and goes exclusively by Professor Zoom. Hunter Zolomon doesn't exist, as neither did Wally for most of the New 52. Thadeus Thawne was absent aside from ''maybe'' a cameo in that Bart Allen once wore a costume with the same colour scheme as Bart's. The only Reverse-Flash was Daniel West, and he's still the only evil speedster to use that name. Johnny Quick from Earth 3 was also an evil speedster, but he was only used for the ''ComicBook/ForeverEvil'' crossover.

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** ''TheFlash'' suffered this again in the ComicBook/{{New 52}}, at least for the vast majority of its publication. Wally West was completely removed from the DCU, Jay Garrick is on [[ComicBook/{{Earth 2}} another Earth]], Max Mercury and the Quicks don't exist, and neither do any evil speedsters aside from new character Daniel West. Bart Allen still exists, but doesn't have a real connection to Barry and was PutOnABus after ''Teen Titans'' ended. ''ComicBook/DCRebirth'' and the associated Flash-related titles went out of their way to ''avert'' this: the original Wally West returns during the event, the New 52 Wally West II got a bigger push as Kid Flash, the Justice Society is returning returning, Jay being the first member specifically referred to, and ''Flash'' writer Joshua Williamson has confirmed that Max Mercury is returning.
returning, and the Speed Force mantra the Quicks use being shown.
** The Reverse-Flashes, also in the New 52. The Rival doesn't even appear in ''Earth 2'' where his nemesis Jay Garrick is. Eobard Thawne was unseen for ''years'', but eventually returned, though he never uses the name Reverse-Flash and goes exclusively by Professor Zoom. Hunter Zolomon doesn't exist, as neither did Wally for most of the New 52. Thadeus Thaddeus Thawne was absent aside from ''maybe'' a cameo in that Bart Allen once wore a costume with the same colour scheme as Bart's.Thad's in a flashback. The only Reverse-Flash was Daniel West, and he's still the only evil speedster to use that name. Johnny Quick from Earth 3 was also an evil speedster, but he was only used for the ''ComicBook/ForeverEvil'' crossover.
4th Oct '16 2:01:49 AM XSpectreGreyX
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* Following "War Games", Franchise/{{Batman}}'s TrueCompanions were imploded piece-by-piece, with the exceptions of marketable stalwarts Robin and Nightwing. Orpheus dead, Spoiler dead [[StuffedIntoTheFridge for dubious reasons]], long-time confidant Leslie Thompkins implicated in killing the latter "to teach Batman a lesson", current Batgirl realizing a FaceHeelTurn, former Batgirl Oracle bombed out of her headquarters and sent away from Gotham City along with her Birds of Prey team, Onyx inexplicably vanished from the books, Commissioner Gordon (who'd already retired by then) moving out of Gotham, the rest of the GCPD pretty much turning against him... Some of these got [[AuthorsSavingThrow undone]]: Steph [[BackFromTheDead wasn't really dead]], and became the new Batgirl, Cassie turned out to be under mind-control and joined Batman Incorporated as Black Bat, Jim Gordon moved back and was reinstated as commissioner, the GCPD resmued relations with Batman, and Babs returned to the Bat-fold as Batman Inc's computer specialist. As of the ComicBook/{{New 52}}, Babs is Batgirl again, however the fate (or existence) of the others is currently unknown. (WordOfGod is that Stephanie and Cassandra are "[[ChuckCunninghamSyndrome toxic]]"). Both Cassandra and Stephanie later returned, but thanks to the new continuity, neither girl was ever Batgirl.

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* Following "War Games", Franchise/{{Batman}}'s TrueCompanions were imploded piece-by-piece, with the exceptions of marketable stalwarts Robin and Nightwing. Orpheus dead, Spoiler dead [[StuffedIntoTheFridge for dubious reasons]], long-time confidant Leslie Thompkins implicated in killing the latter "to teach Batman a lesson", current Batgirl Cassandra Cain realizing a FaceHeelTurn, former Batgirl Oracle bombed out of her headquarters and sent away from Gotham City along with her Birds of Prey team, Onyx inexplicably vanished from the books, Commissioner Gordon (who'd already retired by then) moving out of Gotham, the rest of the GCPD pretty much turning against him... Some of these got [[AuthorsSavingThrow undone]]: Steph [[BackFromTheDead wasn't really dead]], and became the new Batgirl, Cassie Cass turned out to be under mind-control and joined Batman Incorporated as Black Bat, Jim Gordon moved back and was reinstated as commissioner, the GCPD resmued resumed relations with Batman, and Babs returned to the Bat-fold as Batman Inc's computer specialist. specialist.
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As of the ComicBook/{{New 52}}, Babs is Batgirl again, however the fate (or existence) of the others is currently unknown. (WordOfGod is that Stephanie and Cassandra are "[[ChuckCunninghamSyndrome toxic]]"). Both Cassandra and Stephanie later returned, but thanks to the new continuity, neither girl was ever Batgirl.
1st Oct '16 7:53:47 AM Tron80
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* The biggest ComicBook/PostCrisis change to Comicbook/{{Superman}} was the decision that "last son of Krypton" meant ''last'', as in no other Kryptonians ever, period. General Zod becomes a Russian, Kandor becomes an alien ghetto and thus devoid of actual Kryptonians, ComicBook/PowerGirl becomes an [[{{Atlantis}} Atlantean]], and ComicBook/{{Supergirl}} becomes... uh, [[ContinuitySnarl you'd better see that entry for yourself]]. They've lightened up on that in recent years, without returning to constantly tripping over one more Kryptonian a la pre-Crisis comics (or ''Series/{{Smallville}}''), as various writers attempted to reclaim the concepts ''without'' hitting the ResetButton -- [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Krypton at least, so fa-.]]

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* Franchise/{{Superman}}:
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The biggest ComicBook/PostCrisis change to Comicbook/{{Superman}} Superman was the decision that "last son of Krypton" meant ''last'', as in no other Kryptonians ever, period. General Zod becomes a Russian, Kandor becomes an alien ghetto and thus devoid of actual Kryptonians, ComicBook/PowerGirl becomes an [[{{Atlantis}} Atlantean]], Atlantean, and ComicBook/{{Supergirl}} becomes... uh, [[ContinuitySnarl you'd better see that entry for yourself]]. They've dies and becomes replaced by non-Kryptonian Supergirls.
** After a while they
lightened up on that in recent years, without returning to constantly tripping over one more Kryptonian a la pre-Crisis comics (or ''Series/{{Smallville}}''), that, as various writers attempted to reclaim the concepts ''without'' hitting the ResetButton -- [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Krypton at least, so fa-.]]ResetButton: Supergirl is Superman's cousin Kara Zor-El again, Power Girl is Earth-2 Supergirl again, Comicbook/KryptoTheSuperdog still exists, Zod is a Kryptonian war criminal, and Argo City and Kandor are again Kryptonian cities.
26th Sep '16 3:43:51 AM XSpectreGreyX
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** The Reverse-Flashes, also in the New 52. The Rival doesn't even appear in ''Earth 2'' where his nemesis Jay Garrick is. Eobard Thawne was unseen for ''years'', but eventually returned, though he never uses the name Reverse-Flash and goes exclusively by Professor Zoom. Hunter Zolomon doesn't exist, as neither did Wally for most of the New 52. Thadeus Thawne was absent aside from ''maybe'' a cameo in that Bart Allen once wore a costume with the same colour scheme as Bart's. The only Reverse-Flash was Daniel West, and he's still the only evil speedster to use that name. Johnny Quick from Earth 3 was also an evil speedster, but he was only used for the ''ComicBook/ForeverEvil'' crossover.
7th Aug '16 12:28:07 PM nombretomado
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* The two most famous examples both involve TheDCU. Has happened repeatedly to GreenLantern, and the ResetButton has been pressed every time. The great Power Battery exploded, leaving only a few Lanterns active. ...but then the Guardians were brought back, rebuilt, and recruited new Corps members. ...so a few years later, Hal Jordan [[FaceHeelTurn went crazy-evil]] and killed off most of the Corps, leaving Kyle Rayner as the only one with the power. ...until he got a copy of Hal's original ring, which could create new copies, brought back the Guardians, and recruited new Corps members. And so on.

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* The two most famous examples both involve TheDCU.Franchise/TheDCU. Has happened repeatedly to GreenLantern, and the ResetButton has been pressed every time. The great Power Battery exploded, leaving only a few Lanterns active. ...but then the Guardians were brought back, rebuilt, and recruited new Corps members. ...so a few years later, Hal Jordan [[FaceHeelTurn went crazy-evil]] and killed off most of the Corps, leaving Kyle Rayner as the only one with the power. ...until he got a copy of Hal's original ring, which could create new copies, brought back the Guardians, and recruited new Corps members. And so on.
5th Aug '16 1:04:17 PM Sapphirea2
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* The 2005 revival of ''Series/DoctorWho'' set up the complete destruction of Gallifrey in its BackStory, leaving the Doctor as the last of the Time Lords, [[spoiler: until the Master returned at the end of the third season.]]
** Unlike most examples of this trope, however, Series/{{Doctor Who}}'s LegacyImplosion has (a) been reasonably popular and (b) stuck. This was because (a), the new series is phenomenally popular, and a large faction of fans of the older one viewed the Time Lords as a dull culture with a severe tendency to provoke ContinuityLockOut. And as for (b), the only Time Lords seen in the new series were [[spoiler: the Master, and a ShadowArchetype seems like a reasonable exception to a "last of the..." rule]], and some others brought back briefly and temporarily by TimeTravel. At some point Gallifrey might be brought back, who knows, but six seasons and counting is a longer duration of this implosion than most.
** [[spoiler: Though Gallifrey was eventually saved, absolving the Doctor the guilt of the genocide, it remains stuck in a pocket dimension, preserving the same effect as far as plots are concerned. The exception so far is, once again, the Master.]]

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* The 2005 revival of ''Series/DoctorWho'' set up the complete destruction of Gallifrey in its BackStory, leaving the Doctor as the last of the Time Lords, [[spoiler: until the Master returned at the end of the third season.]]
season]].
** Unlike most examples of this trope, however, Series/{{Doctor Who}}'s LegacyImplosion has (a) been reasonably popular and (b) stuck. This was because (a), the new series is phenomenally popular, and a large faction of fans of the older one viewed the Time Lords as a dull culture with a severe tendency to provoke ContinuityLockOut. And as for (b), the only Time Lords seen in the new series were are [[spoiler: the Master, and a ShadowArchetype seems like a reasonable exception to a "last of the..." rule]], and some others brought back briefly and temporarily by TimeTravel. At some point Gallifrey might be brought back, who knows, but six seasons and counting is a longer duration of this implosion than most.\n** [[spoiler: Though Gallifrey was eventually saved, is saved in the post-Series 7 50th anniversary special, absolving the Doctor the guilt of the genocide, genocide. He doesn't ''return'' to it remains stuck in a pocket dimension, preserving until the same effect as far as plots end of '''Series 9''' -- and having been betrayed and tortured by the Time Lords and lost his beloved companion Clara to the grave along the way, he tries to save her and becomes a renegade on the run once more. Also, Gallifrey and its people are concerned. now deliberately ''hidden'' at the end of time so enemies won't find them, meaning the revival proceeds as usual otherwise. The exception so far is, once again, the Master.]]Master!]]
26th Jul '16 11:31:06 PM XSpectreGreyX
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** ''TheFlash'' suffered this again in the ComicBook/{{New 52}}. Wally West is who knows where, Jay Garrick is on [[ComicBook/{{Earth 2}} another Earth]], Max Mercury and the Quicks could be either. Bart Allen still exists, but doesn't currently have a real connection to Barry.

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** ''TheFlash'' suffered this again in the ComicBook/{{New 52}}. 52}}, at least for the vast majority of its publication. Wally West is who knows where, was completely removed from the DCU, Jay Garrick is on [[ComicBook/{{Earth 2}} another Earth]], Max Mercury and the Quicks could be either. don't exist, and neither do any evil speedsters aside from new character Daniel West. Bart Allen still exists, but doesn't currently have a real connection to Barry.Barry and was PutOnABus after ''Teen Titans'' ended. ''ComicBook/DCRebirth'' and the associated Flash-related titles went out of their way to ''avert'' this: Wally West returns during the event, Wally West II got a bigger push as Kid Flash, the Justice Society is returning and Max Mercury is returning.



*** The ComicBook/{{New 52}} reboot then tried to answer some of this. Jason Rusch (the black Firestorm) shared ownership of the identity with the original, and Ryan Choi was initially stated to be the only Atom. DC has since [[FlipFlopOfGod backtracked a little]] by introducing a new, female Atom instead [[spoiler:who turned out to be evil]].

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*** The ComicBook/{{New 52}} reboot then tried to answer some of this. Jason Rusch (the black Firestorm) shared ownership of the identity with the original, and Ryan Choi was initially stated to be the only Atom. DC has since [[FlipFlopOfGod backtracked a little]] by introducing a new, female Atom instead [[spoiler:who turned out to be evil]].(though it's later revealed that he isn't; there just wasn't ever a heroic Atom).



* In [[ComicBook/{{New52}} The New 52]] Jaime Reyes is now the first ''ComicBook/BlueBeetle''. Well, he isn't the first user of the Scarab, but the previous user was a ''Mayan astronomer'', meaning both Dan Garrett and Ted Kord apparently no longer exist.
** Ted Kord is definitely around running Kord Industries, but he's not a superhero. (Yet?)

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* In [[ComicBook/{{New52}} The New 52]] Jaime Reyes is now the first ''ComicBook/BlueBeetle''. Well, he isn't the first user of the Scarab, but the previous user was a ''Mayan astronomer'', meaning both Dan Garrett and Ted Kord apparently no longer exist.
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were not his predecessors. Ted Kord is definitely ''is'' still around running Kord Industries, but he's not a superhero. (Yet?)
he didn't do anything for years until ''DC Rebirth'' set him up as Jaime's mentor.



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27th Jan '16 8:42:09 AM MarkLungo
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->''I'm a Time Lord. I'm the ''last'' of the Time Lords.''

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->''I'm ->''"I'm a Time Lord. I'm the ''last'' of the Time Lords.''"''



** With the ''ComicBook/{{New 52}}'', the Justice Society has suffered a major legacy implosion, with the all of the children and grandchildren wiped from existence and the original JSA members becoming young again. The divide between ''ComicBook/{{Earth2}} and the main DCU also has brought up a kind of OneSteveLimit, in that TheFlash and GreenLantern are the only superheroes with ongoing stories to have versions in both universes[[note]] Earth 2 also had versions of Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman, but they get killed off in the prologue of the series[[/note]]. Every other superhero is editorially confined to either one continuity or the other. So, for example, ComicBook/TheSpectre, traditionally a JSA character, is now in the main DC universe instead of Earth 2 with the rest of the rebooted Golden Age characters.

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** With the ''ComicBook/{{New 52}}'', the Justice Society has suffered a major legacy implosion, with the all of the children and grandchildren wiped from existence and the original JSA members becoming young again. The divide between ''ComicBook/{{Earth2}} and the main DCU also has brought up a kind of OneSteveLimit, in that TheFlash Franchise/TheFlash and GreenLantern Franchise/GreenLantern are the only superheroes with ongoing stories to have versions in both universes[[note]] Earth 2 also had versions of Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman, but they get killed off in the prologue of the series[[/note]]. Every other superhero is editorially confined to either one continuity or the other. So, for example, ComicBook/TheSpectre, traditionally a JSA character, is now in the main DC universe instead of Earth 2 with the rest of the rebooted Golden Age characters.
26th Jan '16 8:51:04 PM nombretomado
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** SupermanTheAnimatedSeries handled this by making Supergirl from a nearby planet (thus getting the same powers and suffering the same fate as Krypton). And Krypto is [[MythologyGag Bizarro's pet... thing.]] (The actual dog himself did make a few [[TheCameo cameos]]).

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** SupermanTheAnimatedSeries ''WesternAnimation/SupermanTheAnimatedSeries'' handled this by making Supergirl from a nearby planet (thus getting the same powers and suffering the same fate as Krypton). And Krypto is [[MythologyGag Bizarro's pet... thing.]] (The actual dog himself did make a few [[TheCameo cameos]]).
20th Jan '16 2:15:28 PM Anicomicgeek
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* Following "War Games", Franchise/{{Batman}}'s TrueCompanions were imploded piece-by-piece, with the exceptions of marketable stalwarts Robin and Nightwing. Orpheus dead, Spoiler dead [[StuffedIntoTheFridge for dubious reasons]], long-time confidant Leslie Thompkins implicated in killing the latter "to teach Batman a lesson", current Batgirl realizing a FaceHeelTurn, former Batgirl Oracle bombed out of her headquarters and sent away from Gotham City along with her Birds of Prey team, Onyx inexplicably vanished from the books, Commissioner Gordon (who'd already retired by then) moving out of Gotham, the rest of the GCPD pretty much turning against him... Some of these got [[AuthorsSavingThrow undone]]: Steph [[BackFromTheDead wasn't really dead]], and became the new Batgirl, Cassie turned out to be under mind-control and joined Batman Incorporated as Black Bat, and Babs returned to the Bat-fold as Batman Inc's computer specialist. As of the ComicBook/{{New 52}}, Babs is Batgirl again, however the fate (or existence) of the others is currently unknown. (WordOfGod is that Stephanie and Cassandra are "[[ChuckCunninghamSyndrome toxic]]"). Both Cassandra and Stephanie later returned, but thanks to the new continuity, neither girl was ever Batgirl.

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* Following "War Games", Franchise/{{Batman}}'s TrueCompanions were imploded piece-by-piece, with the exceptions of marketable stalwarts Robin and Nightwing. Orpheus dead, Spoiler dead [[StuffedIntoTheFridge for dubious reasons]], long-time confidant Leslie Thompkins implicated in killing the latter "to teach Batman a lesson", current Batgirl realizing a FaceHeelTurn, former Batgirl Oracle bombed out of her headquarters and sent away from Gotham City along with her Birds of Prey team, Onyx inexplicably vanished from the books, Commissioner Gordon (who'd already retired by then) moving out of Gotham, the rest of the GCPD pretty much turning against him... Some of these got [[AuthorsSavingThrow undone]]: Steph [[BackFromTheDead wasn't really dead]], and became the new Batgirl, Cassie turned out to be under mind-control and joined Batman Incorporated as Black Bat, Jim Gordon moved back and was reinstated as commissioner, the GCPD resmued relations with Batman, and Babs returned to the Bat-fold as Batman Inc's computer specialist. As of the ComicBook/{{New 52}}, Babs is Batgirl again, however the fate (or existence) of the others is currently unknown. (WordOfGod is that Stephanie and Cassandra are "[[ChuckCunninghamSyndrome toxic]]"). Both Cassandra and Stephanie later returned, but thanks to the new continuity, neither girl was ever Batgirl.
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