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26th May '16 5:24:28 PM Syrika
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* Common in ''WesternAnimation/Danny Phantom.'' Although Danny has intangibility, it doesn't always prevent him from leaving cracks in all the walls the villains like to throw him into.

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* Common in ''WesternAnimation/Danny Phantom.''WesternAnimation/DannyPhantom.'' Although Danny has intangibility, it doesn't always prevent him from leaving cracks in all the walls the villains like to throw him into.
26th May '16 5:23:54 PM Syrika
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* Common in ''WesternAnimation/Danny Phantom.'' Although Danny has intangibility, it doesn't always prevent him from leaving cracks in all the walls the villains like to throw him into.
30th Apr '16 9:54:29 AM RagingHigher
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A Doylist explanation for this phenomenon is that many writers are not martial artists. While the power of grappling was widely demonstrated over many striking styles in the early days of the UsefulNotes/UltimateFightingChampionship, grappling and wrestling are [[SmallReferencePools still widely underestimated by the public,]] who don't recognize the damage a good slam or throw can do.

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A Doylist explanation for this phenomenon is that many writers are not martial artists. While the power of grappling and wrestling was widely demonstrated over many striking styles in the early days of the UsefulNotes/UltimateFightingChampionship, grappling and wrestling those aspects are [[SmallReferencePools still widely underestimated by the public,]] who don't recognize the damage a good slam or slam, throw or hold can do.
30th Apr '16 9:42:36 AM RagingHigher
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A Doylist explanation for this phenomenon is that many writers are not martial artists. While the Gracies demonstrated the power of Brazilian jui-jitsu over many striking styles in the early days of the UFC, grappling and wrestling are [[SmallReferencePools still widely underestimated by the public,]] who don't recognize the damage a good slam or throw can do.

The other Doylist explanation arises when the mook is specifically superstrong. Any superstrong character who gets his hands on a normal human just needs to squeeze. The human will then be dead (or crippled and in agonizing pain, depending on the part that got squeezed). This would end the fight fast and permanently, and that is sometimes exactly what the story doesn't need.

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A Doylist explanation for this phenomenon is that many writers are not martial artists. While the Gracies power of grappling was widely demonstrated the power of Brazilian jui-jitsu over many striking styles in the early days of the UFC, UsefulNotes/UltimateFightingChampionship, grappling and wrestling are [[SmallReferencePools still widely underestimated by the public,]] who don't recognize the damage a good slam or throw can do.

The other Doylist explanation arises when the mook is specifically superstrong. Any superstrong character who gets his hands on a normal human just needs to squeeze. The squeeze and the human will then be dead (or crippled and in agonizing pain, depending on the part that got squeezed). This would end the fight fast and permanently, and that is sometimes exactly what the story doesn't need.



[[folder:Anime and Manga]]
* The telekinetic version of this is averted in ''Manga/ElfenLied'', where it would take a miracle to stop Lucy from just snapping your head off from the get-go.
* In ''LightNovel/HaruhiSuzumiya'', [[spoiler:Ryouko]] decides to kill [[spoiler:Kyon]] with a knife, despite being able to control everything in the area, including the victim's movements. The attack could have been much easier if a more supernatural approach was taken, [[FanWank but that would probably defeat the purpose]]: [[spoiler:Ryouko wanted it to look like a normal killing to see how Haruhi would react to the death of a friend, not to see how Haruhi would react to the suspicious or outright supernatural death of a friend.]] This is supported by the fact that the fight with [[spoiler:Yuki]] was notably more supernatural, since the intent was simply to win.
* The psychic version appears on a massive scale in ''Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann'': [[spoiler: The Anti-spirals are able to warp across the universe and summon a mecha the size of a galaxy, but decide to eliminate the humans by making the moon crash into the Earth over the course of several days, and even ''alert the people to this'']].
** Somewhat justifiable due to their methodology -- [[spoiler:the Anti Spirals' routine is to kill through the HopeSpot, and the ColonyDrop scenario had ''some'' escape hatches (that the anti-spirals had mostly welded shut, Simon notwithstanding.)]]
* Gaara's fight with Rock Lee during the Chunin exams in ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' is rife with this, although it's justifiable by claiming that Gaara wasn't taking Lee very seriously and just toying with him for half the fight. [[spoiler:When he finally gets a grip after taking him seriously, his first act is to pulverize Lee's limbs.]]
** Similarly completely averted when he's fighting Deidara, as he sends his sand flying right towards him and rips off his arm the second he touches him.
* A heroic example in ''Manga/PenguinMusume Heart'' has the title character gigantic and naked, and her opponent slightly bigger than usual and naked (or she just lost her clothes and was no bigger.) Title character proceeds to scream "how cute" and rubs her opponent against her face. Opponent goes on to bite her way out of the title characters' grip and jump away. And then they argue over the PowerOfLove, which results in said opponent eventually becoming gigantic too. Then again, Penguin's kinda [[TheDitz dumb]] so oh well.
* The psychic version is frequently averted in ''Anime/DarkerThanBlack'', where most of the Contractors are incredibly direct with offensive use of their power. For example, a Contractor with the ability to switch two objects via teleportation kills someone by switching their heart for a rock, another one can teleport whatever is covered by his blood so he just splatters it on people and rips them apart, and another that can freeze any water he touches will just freeze the water in your body and kill you or [[ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice impale you with an icicle]] (he even has a partner that can cover the area in water, letting him do it from a distance).
* Nico Robin in ''Manga/OnePiece'' completely avoids this: her power is to sprout arms on any surface, and if she ever gets serious, the first thing she tries to do is snap her opponent's spine (most important enemies [[KryptoniteIsEverywhere still find a way to avoid losing this way]]).
* In ''Anime/DigimonFrontier'', Mercuremon has an attack called Generous Mirror that reflects an attack to the attacker while Mercuremon remains unharmed. He uses this once to defeat a very powerful digimon. He might as well apply for the BigBad position and repel any opponent with Generous Mirror but he doesn't do it.
** When he lost his humanoid form, and thus this ability, it was a {{plan}} to learn all the heroes' attacks for his beast form but with more power behind them. This would have worked if the heroes had not figured out that using {{Combination Attack}}s completely new type of attack and thus he couldn't counter it.
* The ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' anime is probably one of the worst offenders there is. Characters will regularly call for their mon to throw the opponent into the air. Then again, it often works, usually due to the thrown Pokémon [[PlotInducedStupidity ignoring an ability they could have used to ease the impact]].
* Justified and subverted in ''Manga/{{Holyland}}''. Iwado is a judoka, so it makes sense that he would be better at throwing than striking. At the same time, it's shown that getting hurled into a concrete wall or onto asphalt can be as fight-ending as a good strike combo. Also inverted in the fight against Taka, where at one point Yuu closes on his foe and the narration notes that he could have ended the fight right there had he used a throw rather than trying to strike.
* In ''Franchise/LyricalNanoha'' works, characters can apparently be slammed through multiple floors of a concrete building without significant loss of combat capability, but are somehow threatened by melee strikes.
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* In Arachnophobia, the spiders are repeatedly shown to have venom that kills instantly with just a small bite anywhere, and they frequently bite the very moment they land on their target. In the climax, thousands of these spiders are swarming over the hero's house and quite a few land on him, but even the "Queen" and "General" that are guarding their egg sac never bother to bite him.

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* In Arachnophobia, ''Arachnophobia'', the spiders are repeatedly shown to have venom that kills instantly with just a small bite anywhere, and they frequently bite the very moment they land on their target. In the climax, thousands of these spiders are swarming over the hero's house and quite a few land on him, but even the "Queen" and "General" that are guarding their egg sac never bother to bite him.



* Film/IRobot: In a fight with Spooner, an NS-5 robot just throws him about a bit; even with one arm missing, it could have done better.

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* Film/IRobot: In ''Film/IRobot'': in a fight with Spooner, an NS-5 robot just throws him about a bit; even with one arm missing, it could have done better.



[[folder:Manga and Anime]]
* The telekinetic version of this is averted in ''Manga/ElfenLied'', where it would take a miracle to stop Lucy from just snapping your head off from the get-go.
* In ''LightNovel/HaruhiSuzumiya'', [[spoiler:Ryouko]] decides to kill [[spoiler:Kyon]] with a knife, despite being able to control everything in the area, including the victim's movements. The attack could have been much easier if a more supernatural approach was taken, [[FanWank but that would probably defeat the purpose]]: [[spoiler:Ryouko wanted it to look like a normal killing to see how Haruhi would react to the death of a friend, not to see how Haruhi would react to the suspicious or outright supernatural death of a friend.]] This is supported by the fact that the fight with [[spoiler:Yuki]] was notably more supernatural, since the intent was simply to win.
* The psychic version appears on a massive scale in ''Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann'': [[spoiler: The Anti-spirals are able to warp across the universe and summon a mecha the size of a galaxy, but decide to eliminate the humans by making the moon crash into the Earth over the course of several days, and even ''alert the people to this'']].
** Somewhat justifiable due to their methodology -- [[spoiler:the Anti Spirals' routine is to kill through the HopeSpot, and the ColonyDrop scenario had ''some'' escape hatches (that the anti-spirals had mostly welded shut, Simon notwithstanding.)]]
* Gaara's fight with Rock Lee during the Chunin exams in ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' is rife with this, although it's justifiable by claiming that Gaara wasn't taking Lee very seriously and just toying with him for half the fight. [[spoiler:When he finally gets a grip after taking him seriously, his first act is to pulverize Lee's limbs.]]
** Similarly completely averted when he's fighting Deidara, as he sends his sand flying right towards him and rips off his arm the second he touches him.
* A heroic example in ''Manga/PenguinMusume Heart'' has the title character gigantic and naked, and her opponent slightly bigger than usual and naked (or she just lost her clothes and was no bigger.) Title character proceeds to scream "how cute" and rubs her opponent against her face. Opponent goes on to bite her way out of the title characters' grip and jump away. And then they argue over the PowerOfLove, which results in said opponent eventually becoming gigantic too. Then again, Penguin's kinda [[TheDitz dumb]] so oh well.
* The psychic version is frequently averted in ''Anime/DarkerThanBlack'', where most of the Contractors are incredibly direct with offensive use of their power. For example, a Contractor with the ability to switch two objects via teleportation kills someone by switching their heart for a rock, another one can teleport whatever is covered by his blood so he just splatters it on people and rips them apart, and another that can freeze any water he touches will just freeze the water in your body and kill you or [[ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice impale you with an icicle]] (he even has a partner that can cover the area in water, letting him do it from a distance).
* Nico Robin in ''Manga/OnePiece'' completely avoids this: her power is to sprout arms on any surface, and if she ever gets serious, the first thing she tries to do is snap her opponent's spine (most important enemies [[KryptoniteIsEverywhere still find a way to avoid losing this way]]).
* In ''Anime/DigimonFrontier'', Mercuremon has an attack called Generous Mirror that reflects an attack to the attacker while Mercuremon remains unharmed. He uses this once to defeat a very powerful digimon. He might as well apply for the BigBad position and repel any opponent with Generous Mirror but he doesn't do it.
** When he lost his humanoid form, and thus this ability, it was a {{plan}} to learn all the heroes' attacks for his beast form but with more power behind them. This would have worked if the heroes had not figured out that using {{Combination Attack}}s completely new type of attack and thus he couldn't counter it.
* The ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' anime is probably one of the worst offenders there is. Characters will regularly call for their mon to throw the opponent into the air. Then again, it often works, usually due to the thrown Pokémon [[PlotInducedStupidity ignoring an ability they could have used to ease the impact]].
* Justified and subverted in ''Manga/{{Holyland}}''. Iwado is a judoka, so it makes sense that he would be better at throwing than striking. At the same time, it's shown that getting hurled into a concrete wall or onto asphalt can be as fight-ending as a good strike combo. Also inverted in the fight against Taka, where at one point Yuu closes on his foe and the narration notes that he could have ended the fight right there had he used a throw rather than trying to strike.
* In ''Franchise/LyricalNanoha'' works, characters can apparently be slammed through multiple floors of a concrete building without significant loss of combat capability, but are somehow threatened by melee strikes.
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* Not TruthInTelevision. Despite common belief in the might of the striker, it's not that easy to get a OneHitKill on an opponent who's built conditioning and pain resistance. At the same time, consider when you took a nasty tumble onto concrete or asphalt. Not pretty, was it? Now imagine a trained and experienced grappler or wrestler doing that with intention to hurt. Ouch. There are good reasons why many street fights are over the moment one guy kisses the tarmac. Even a sloppy one taken on the relatively meaty back or butt can knock the wind out of you, leaving you vulnerable to more hurting.
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* Much like DeadlyDodging on Spidey's part, JustHitHim was thoroughly exercised by various supervillains and superheroes alike on ''WesternAnimation/SpiderManTheAnimatedSeries'' due to the fact that the network suits didn't allow anyone to throw punches. Try to imagine the otherwise BadAss Kingpin or Venom being limited to picking up Spidey, then lightly dropping him again and proceeding to pronounce how invincible and deadly they truly are.
** To be fair, Kingpin was known for handing out spine-crunching bear hugs to his opponents. So, hitting is bad but crushing people in half with bare hands is okay?
*** The reason punching is left out is because it's an imitable action that can and will cause harm. However, if your kids start hugging each other...
*** ... the way Kingpin does, someone's going to get hurt.
** Despite this handicap, [[PragmaticAdaptation Venom was still scary as hell.]]

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* Much like DeadlyDodging on Spidey's part, JustHitHim was thoroughly exercised by various supervillains and superheroes alike on ''WesternAnimation/SpiderManTheAnimatedSeries'' due to the fact that the network suits didn't allow anyone to throw punches. Try to imagine the otherwise BadAss Kingpin or Venom being limited to picking up Spidey, then lightly dropping him again and proceeding to pronounce how invincible and deadly they truly are.
**
are. To be fair, Kingpin was known for handing out spine-crunching bear hugs to his opponents. So, hitting is bad but crushing people in half with bare hands is okay?
*** The reason punching is left out is because it's an imitable action that can
opponents, and will cause harm. However, if your kids start hugging each other...
*** ... the way Kingpin does, someone's going to get hurt.
** Despite
despite this handicap, [[PragmaticAdaptation Venom was still scary as hell.]]


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[[folder:Real Life]]
* Not TruthInTelevision. Despite common belief in the might of the striker, it's not that easy to get a OneHitKill on an opponent who's built conditioning and pain resistance. At the same time, consider when you took a nasty tumble onto concrete or asphalt. Not pretty, was it? Now imagine a trained and experienced grappler or wrestler doing that with intention to hurt. Ouch. There are good reasons why many street fights are over the moment one guy kisses the tarmac. Even a sloppy one taken on the relatively meaty back or butt can knock the wind out of you, leaving you vulnerable to more hurting.
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19th Apr '16 4:23:19 AM erforce
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* ''Franchise/IndianaJones'': Particularly egregious in ''Film/TempleOfDoom'', where the slave-driving GiantMook fails to take advantage of Indy's frequent and painful immobilization via knife to Voodoo Doll.

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* ''Franchise/IndianaJones'': Particularly egregious in ''Film/TempleOfDoom'', ''Film/Film/IndianaJonesAndTheTempleOfDoom'', where the slave-driving GiantMook fails to take advantage of Indy's frequent and painful immobilization via knife to Voodoo Doll.
11th Mar '16 8:43:47 AM erforce
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* "Super Shredder," the mutated form of Shredder in ''[[Film/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles TMNT 2: The Secret of the Ooze]]'', becomes a victim and casualty of the JustHitHim phenomenon, going so far as to cause his own undoing because of it.

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* "Super Shredder," the mutated form of Shredder in ''[[Film/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles TMNT 2: The Secret of the Ooze]]'', ''Film/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtlesIITheSecretOfTheOoze'', becomes a victim and casualty of the JustHitHim phenomenon, going so far as to cause his own undoing because of it.
8th Jan '16 4:36:00 PM nombretomado
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* Much like DeadlyDodging on Spidey's part, JustHitHim was thoroughly exercised by various supervillains and superheroes alike on ''SpiderManTheAnimatedSeries'' due to the fact that the network suits didn't allow anyone to throw punches. Try to imagine the otherwise BadAss Kingpin or Venom being limited to picking up Spidey, then lightly dropping him again and proceeding to pronounce how invincible and deadly they truly are.

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* Much like DeadlyDodging on Spidey's part, JustHitHim was thoroughly exercised by various supervillains and superheroes alike on ''SpiderManTheAnimatedSeries'' ''WesternAnimation/SpiderManTheAnimatedSeries'' due to the fact that the network suits didn't allow anyone to throw punches. Try to imagine the otherwise BadAss Kingpin or Venom being limited to picking up Spidey, then lightly dropping him again and proceeding to pronounce how invincible and deadly they truly are.



*** The reason punching is left out is because it's an imitatable action that can and will cause harm. However, if your kids start hugging each other...

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*** The reason punching is left out is because it's an imitatable imitable action that can and will cause harm. However, if your kids start hugging each other...
7th Jan '16 10:02:24 PM nombretomado
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* Also comes up in TheSpectacularSpiderman; in his first fight with the web-head, Rhino repeatedly grabs him and throws him away. This is after it has already been made abundantly clear to both of them that Spidey is a (relatively) FragileSpeedster while Rhino is a MightyGlacier, and that the fight would be over immediately if Rhino just kept hold of him and tore him apart.

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* Also comes up in TheSpectacularSpiderman; ''WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderman''; in his first fight with the web-head, Rhino repeatedly grabs him and throws him away. This is after it has already been made abundantly clear to both of them that Spidey is a (relatively) FragileSpeedster while Rhino is a MightyGlacier, and that the fight would be over immediately if Rhino just kept hold of him and tore him apart.
2nd Jan '16 10:50:40 PM nombretomado
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* Averted by Gregor Clegane in ''[[ASongOfIceAndFire A Storm of Swords]]''. [[spoiler:Once he gets a hold of Oberyn Martell, he crushes his skull. Gregor was [[ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice pinned to the ground with a spear]] at the time, so he wasn't in much of a position to toss him around.]]
* Happens a few times in ''SoonIWillBeInvincible'', such as when [=CoreFire=] throws Dr. Impossible around instead of finishing him before the Doctor can activate his weapon. [[{{Troperiffic}} It's that kind of book]].

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* Averted by Gregor Clegane in ''[[ASongOfIceAndFire ''[[Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire A Storm of Swords]]''. [[spoiler:Once he gets a hold of Oberyn Martell, he crushes his skull. Gregor was [[ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice pinned to the ground with a spear]] at the time, so he wasn't in much of a position to toss him around.]]
* Happens a few times in ''SoonIWillBeInvincible'', ''Literature/SoonIWillBeInvincible'', such as when [=CoreFire=] throws Dr. Impossible around instead of finishing him before the Doctor can activate his weapon. [[{{Troperiffic}} It's that kind of book]].
18th Nov '15 10:14:34 PM DanaO
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* ''VideoGame/DungeonFighterOnline'', like most of the BeatEmUp genre, contains very damaging throwing techniques (against anything which can actually be thrown). And as most grabs (not just player-initiated) include an autoaimed, super-armor-equipped dash to the enemy, they're also rather safe. (Long strike-focused combos still usually win out in damage.) But there does exist one (telekinetic) throw which true to this trope can toss an opponent fifty feet onto their back and is guaranteed to ''not hurt at all''. And against the spirit of this trope it's an invaluable asset... once you start having to hit targets ''in order'' with ugly consequences for even scratching something before its time. (Something which may [[SpitefulAI well be trying]] to get hit by you.)
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