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21st Jan '18 5:31:18 AM FarSider
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* In ''Series/{{The Flash|2014}}'', Barry is under trial for murder of Clifford [=DeVoe=]/The Thinker (who cheated death via GrandTheftMe), and Joe, out of desperation, decides to plant evidence against Marlize [=DeVoe=] (Thinker's wife and accomplice). Ralph, who himself was disgraced from police duty because he falsified evidence, tells Joe of his own experiences as a pariah and said that if Joe went through with his plans, he'll be going through the same thing. Thankfully, Joe wisely drops his scheme.
11th Jan '18 3:48:04 AM lalalei2001
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* In ''Theatre/JacobMarleysChristmasCarol'', Marley's first warning is rebuffed by Scrooge, forcing him to try other methods.
5th Jan '18 2:39:25 PM randomtroper89
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* Assassin'sCreedRogue reveals that Achilles's warning to Connor to "in your haste to save the world don't destroy it" in the third game was this; in Rogue Achilles was reckless and indifferent to the suffering his actions caused in the arrogant certainty his cause was just. His warning to Connor is thus an attempt to keep Connor from making the same mistakes.

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* Assassin'sCreedRogue ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedRogue'' reveals that Achilles's warning to Connor to "in your haste to save the world don't destroy it" in the third game was this; in Rogue Achilles was reckless and indifferent to the suffering his actions caused in the arrogant certainty his cause was just. His warning to Connor is thus an attempt to keep Connor from making the same mistakes.
17th Nov '17 12:20:04 AM LordYAM
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* Assassin'sCreedRogue reveals that Achilles's warning to Connor to "in your haste to save the world don't destroy it" in the third game was this; in Rogue Achilles was reckless and indifferent to the suffering his actions caused in the arrogant certainty his cause was just. His warning to Connor is thus an attempt to keep Connor from making the same mistakes.
15th Oct '17 1:08:13 PM Jeduthun
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Compare and contrast HypocriteHasAPoint: It may seem hypocritical to tell someone not to make the same life choices you made yourself, but it's justified if you can offer the perspective of experience on how it will turn out badly.
24th Jul '17 1:30:31 AM PaulA
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* The 1972 film version of ''[[Film/ECComics Tales From The Crypt]]'' has a rather grim subversion of this. The Crypt-Keeper shows a group of strangers visions of the hideous fates awaiting each of them as a result of various wicked actions; at the end of the film, he reveals that these visions are not warnings of what might happen, but records of what has ''already'' happened; they're already dead, and destined for Hell.

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* The 1972 film version of ''[[Film/ECComics Tales From The Crypt]]'' ''Film/TalesFromTheCrypt'' has a rather grim subversion of this. The Crypt-Keeper shows a group of strangers visions of the hideous fates awaiting each of them as a result of various wicked actions; at the end of the film, he reveals that these visions are not warnings of what might happen, but records of what has ''already'' happened; they're already dead, and destined for Hell.
14th Jul '17 2:29:40 PM Luigifan
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For when the warning goes opposite way, see FlingALightIntoTheFuture.

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For when the warning goes the opposite way, see FlingALightIntoTheFuture.



* In the manga adaptation for ''Manga/KingdomHeartsII'', a derezzing Sark warns Tron to stop believing in the users, since Sora and his friends would one day betray him, [[spoiler: much like how Ansem betrayed them both, which lead to Sark's FaceHeelTurn]]. Tron retains his belief in the users, and Sora, who [[AlasPoorVillain felt sorry for Sark]], reassures him that they will always be friends.

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* In the manga adaptation for ''Manga/KingdomHeartsII'', a derezzing Sark warns Tron to stop believing in the users, since Sora and his friends would one day betray him, [[spoiler: much [[spoiler:much like how Ansem betrayed them both, which lead to Sark's FaceHeelTurn]]. Tron retains his belief in the users, and Sora, who [[AlasPoorVillain felt sorry for Sark]], reassures him that they will always be friends.



* [[ComicBook/XMen Sabertooth to Wolverine]]. During the arc following Wolverine's full recovery of his memory, he has a flashback to one of his earliest encounters with his evil rival. In an uncharacteristically intellectual moment, Sabertooth tells him (in Latin) "I am what you you will become". In this case it's not a warning ''or'' encouragement, it's a prediction; Sabertooth believes Wolverine will eventually give in to his animal side (instead of fighting it) and become just like him: a savage, remorseless killer who delights in indulging his violent instincts. This is basically one of Wolverine's greatest fears and Sabertooth just ''loves'' taunting him with it.

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* [[ComicBook/XMen Sabertooth to Wolverine]]. During the arc following Wolverine's full recovery of his memory, he has a flashback to one of his earliest encounters with his evil rival. In an uncharacteristically intellectual moment, Sabertooth tells him (in Latin) "I am what you you will become". In this case case, it's not a warning ''or'' encouragement, it's a prediction; Sabertooth believes Wolverine will eventually give in to his animal side (instead of fighting it) and become just like him: a savage, remorseless killer who delights in indulging his violent instincts. This is basically one of Wolverine's greatest fears fears, and Sabertooth just ''loves'' taunting him with it.



** In the "Dead-End Kids" arc, it could be argued that Klara - meek, submissive, and increasingly isolated from everyone except her spouse - represents what Karolina fears she is becoming in her relationship with Xavin. After Xavin dismisses Klara's plight as unimportant, Karolina decides that she will have to start standing up for herself.

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** In the "Dead-End Kids" arc, it could be argued that Klara - -- meek, submissive, and increasingly isolated from everyone except her spouse - -- represents what Karolina fears she is becoming in her relationship with Xavin. After Xavin dismisses Klara's plight as unimportant, Karolina decides that she will have to start standing up for herself.



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%%* * Done with Neo Nazism in ''American History X''.''Film/AmericanHistoryX''.



* In ''Literature/{{Frankenstein}}'', Victor serves as a warning to Walton, who is in danger of becoming as obsessed with his exploration as Victor was with the science that led to the creation of his monster. Though inverted in that he blasts Walton's crew for not having the balls to carry on on Walton's journey. Victor might represent what Walton could become, but unlike other examples he doesn't realize this, or regard it as a bad thing. He blames the Creature for all his ills but [[NeverMyFault doesn't take responsibility]] for the hell he put the Creature through ForScience.

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* In ''Literature/{{Frankenstein}}'', Victor serves as a warning to Walton, who is in danger of becoming as obsessed with his exploration as Victor was with the science that led to the creation of his monster. Though inverted in that he blasts Walton's crew for not having the balls to carry on on Walton's journey. Victor might represent what Walton could become, but unlike other examples examples, he doesn't realize this, or regard it as a bad thing. He blames the Creature for all his ills ills, but [[NeverMyFault doesn't take responsibility]] for the hell he put the Creature through ForScience.



* In ''Series/{{Supernatural}}'', Dean gets this warning from [[spoiler:[[FutureMeScaresMe the post-apocalyptic version of himself]]]], who implores him not to resist the angels' plan for him. Essentially, he's given the choice of either [[spoiler:becoming Michael's vessel or killing Sam before Sam becomes Lucifer's vessel. [[ScrewDestiny Predictably]], he tries [[TakeAThirdOption taking the third option]] of patching things up with his brother so that Sam'll be able to resist Lucifer]].

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* In ''Series/{{Supernatural}}'', Dean gets this warning from [[spoiler:[[FutureMeScaresMe the post-apocalyptic version of himself]]]], who implores him not to resist the angels' plan for him. Essentially, he's given [[SadisticChoice the choice choice]] of either [[spoiler:becoming Michael's vessel or killing Sam before Sam becomes Lucifer's vessel. [[ScrewDestiny Predictably]], he tries [[TakeAThirdOption taking the third option]] of patching things up with his brother so that Sam'll be able to resist Lucifer]].



* In the [[Literature/TheFourGospels Gospel according to Luke]], UsefulNotes/{{Jesus}} gives the parable of the rich man and Lazarus (not to be confused with [[BackFromTheDead the other Lazarus]]). The rich man goes to hell and then begs Abraham to send Lazarus back to act as the Jacob Marley Warning to his brothers. [[SubvertedTrope Abraham tells him it would do no good]], "If they would not listen to Moses and the prophets, they would not listen even to a man come back from the dead."

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* In the [[Literature/TheFourGospels Gospel according to Luke]], UsefulNotes/{{Jesus}} gives the parable of the rich man and Lazarus (not to be confused with [[BackFromTheDead the other Lazarus]]). The rich man goes to hell and then begs Abraham to send Lazarus back to act as the Jacob Marley Warning to his brothers. [[SubvertedTrope Abraham tells him it would do no good]], good]]: "If they would not listen to Moses and the prophets, they would not listen even to a man come back from the dead."



* Done in ''Film/TheMuppetChristmasCarol'', of course. Worth mentioning because A) they give Jacob a brother, Robert, so they can give the role of Marley to both JustForFun/StatlerAndWaldorf, which allows them to B) sing a cool little song about it all. And C) [[StealthPun you get "Music/BobMarley"]]. (''Groan'')

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* Done in ''Film/TheMuppetChristmasCarol'', of course. Worth mentioning because A) they give Jacob a brother, Robert, so they can give the role of Marley to both JustForFun/StatlerAndWaldorf, which allows them to B) sing a cool little song about it all. And C) [[StealthPun you get get]] "Music/BobMarley"]]. (''Groan'')



* [[ByronicHero Anders]] of ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' delivers a nightmarish warning to [[TheIngenue Merrill]], telling her that if she continues to use BloodMagic, she will become [[DemonicPossession possessed]] like him - trapped in a body controlled by another being, unable even to scream. Merrill retorts that whatever risks she's taken with magic, she's always known what the consequences could be, which is more than can be said for Anders when he merged with Justice.

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* [[ByronicHero Anders]] of ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' delivers a nightmarish warning to [[TheIngenue Merrill]], telling her that if she continues to use BloodMagic, she will become [[DemonicPossession possessed]] like him - -- trapped in a body controlled by another being, unable even to scream. Merrill retorts that whatever risks she's taken with magic, she's always known what the consequences could be, which is more than can be said for Anders when he merged with Justice.



* Duke Edmun Dragonsbane from ''VideoGame/DragonsDogma'' turns out to be this. He initially comes over as a man who has everything he wanted, in the form of fame, power, riches and a beautiful wife. But he is soon revealed to abuse his wife, nearly killing her and is frequently reliving losing his past beloved. [[spoiler: When the PlayerCharacter confronts the titular Dragon, they are given a SadisticChoice. Either sacrifice their beloved, which will make the Dragon leave, giving the PlayerCharacter the fame and fortune as an alleged Dragonslayer, or face the Dragon in combat, which will almost certainly result in death.]] It turns out the duke experienced the ultimatum and chose the former, resulting in him being mad with guilt. This point is hammered in further, because making the former choice yourself shows you[[spoiler: the PlayerCharacter having replaced Edmun Dragonsbane as duke, but living a lonely and maddening existence.]]

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* Duke Edmun Dragonsbane from ''VideoGame/DragonsDogma'' turns out to be this. He initially comes over as a man who has everything he wanted, in the form of fame, power, riches riches, and a beautiful wife. But he is soon revealed to abuse his wife, nearly killing her her, and is frequently reliving losing his past beloved. [[spoiler: When [[spoiler:When the PlayerCharacter confronts the titular Dragon, they are given a SadisticChoice. Either sacrifice their beloved, which will make the Dragon leave, giving the PlayerCharacter the fame and fortune as an alleged Dragonslayer, or face the Dragon in combat, which will almost certainly result in death.]] It turns out the duke experienced the ultimatum and chose the former, resulting in him being mad with guilt. This point is hammered in further, because making the former choice yourself shows you[[spoiler: you[[spoiler:, the PlayerCharacter PlayerCharacter, having replaced Edmun Dragonsbane as duke, but living a lonely and maddening existence.]]existence]].



--> "If you were just more like me, this is what could happen to you!" [[spoiler: he is then ground into powder by a giant coral-crusher he didn't see coming up on him.]]
* After you defeat him in ''VideoGame/RatchetDeadlocked'', Ace Hardlight provides the page quote by telling [[TheHero Ratchet]] no to let [[BigBad Gleeman Vox]] do to him what he did to Ace.
* Even more recently ''VideoGame/TheForceUnleashed'''s centralman is another representation of what Luke (and potentially Leia) would have been like if raised by Darth Vader.

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--> "If you were just more like me, this is what could happen to you!" [[spoiler: he [[spoiler:(He is then ground into powder by a giant coral-crusher he didn't see coming up on him.]]
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* After you defeat him in ''VideoGame/RatchetDeadlocked'', Ace Hardlight provides the page quote by telling [[TheHero Ratchet]] no not to let [[BigBad Gleeman Vox]] do to him what he did to Ace.
* Even more recently recently, ''VideoGame/TheForceUnleashed'''s centralman protagonist is another representation of what Luke (and potentially Leia) would have been like if raised by Darth Vader.
2nd Jul '17 8:03:49 AM Gideoncrawle
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->''"Ratchet... [[IncurableCoughOfDeath (*cough*)]] Don't let [[CorruptCorporateExecutive Vox]] do to you [[CreatorsPet what he did to me...]] (*gasp*) [[YouKillItYouBoughtIt You're the hero now.]]"''

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->''"Ratchet... [[IncurableCoughOfDeath (*cough*)]] (*cough*) Don't let [[CorruptCorporateExecutive Vox]] Vox do to you [[CreatorsPet what he did to me...]] me... (*gasp*) [[YouKillItYouBoughtIt You're the hero now.]]"''"''
13th Jun '17 1:48:11 PM MarkLungo
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->''"Ratchet... [[IncurableCoughOfDeath (*cough*)]] Don't let [[CorruptCorporateExecutive Vox]] do to you [[CreatorsPet what he did to me...]] (*gasp*) [[YouKillItYouBoughtIt You're the hero now.]]''

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->''"Ratchet... [[IncurableCoughOfDeath (*cough*)]] Don't let [[CorruptCorporateExecutive Vox]] do to you [[CreatorsPet what he did to me...]] (*gasp*) [[YouKillItYouBoughtIt You're the hero now.]]'']]"''



In ''Series/TheOuterLimits1963'' episode "[[Recap/TheOuterLimits1963S2E16ThePremonition The Premonition]", the [[NoNameGiven Limbo]] [[TragicMonster Being]] gives one of these to the main characters--mostly because they threaten to ''[[ValuesDissonance set him on fire forever]]'' if he doesn't tell them how to escape from their TimeStandsStill situation and avoid becoming trapped in a VoidBetwenTheWorlds, as he was unable to do.

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* In ''Series/TheOuterLimits1963'' episode "[[Recap/TheOuterLimits1963S2E16ThePremonition The Premonition]", Premonition]]", the [[NoNameGiven Limbo]] [[TragicMonster Being]] gives one of these to the main characters--mostly because they threaten to ''[[ValuesDissonance set him on fire forever]]'' if he doesn't tell them how to escape from their TimeStandsStill situation and avoid becoming trapped in a VoidBetwenTheWorlds, VoidBetweenTheWorlds, as he was unable to do.



* The Irish folk song "Paddy's Lamentation"

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* The Irish folk song "Paddy's Lamentation"Lamentation".
13th Jun '17 1:44:34 PM MarkLungo
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* One story in ''ComicBook/SunnyvilleStories'' has a local housewife Mrs. Brown stop a fight between Mr. Jakes and his nephew. She warns them of how she had a quarrel with a childhood friend but that friend died tragically before they could make up; she further warns them that it's too late for her but the two still have a chance to make up and they do.

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* One story in ''ComicBook/SunnyvilleStories'' has a local housewife Mrs. Brown stop a fight between Mr. Jakes and his nephew. She warns them of how she had a quarrel with a childhood friend but that friend died tragically before they could make up; she further warns them that it's too late for her but the two still have a chance to make up and they do.



* In the pro wrestling story ''A New Beginning'', Gail Kim has turned heel and recently become WWE Women's Champion. After her title win, Molly Holly shows up to warn her that if she continues her heel ways, it will ruin her. Subverted in that Gail doesn't listen to the warning.

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* In the pro wrestling story ''A New Beginning'', Gail Kim has turned heel and recently become WWE Wrestling/{{WWE}} Women's Champion. After her title win, Molly Holly shows up to warn her that if she continues her heel ways, it will ruin her. Subverted in that Gail doesn't listen to the warning.



* ''Series/BoyMeetsWorld''[='=]s sequel series, ''Series/GirlMeetsWorld'' sees Cory's former bully, Harley Keiner, work as a janitor as John Quincy Adams Middle School and regrets his actions as a bully, warning Billy when he's picking on Farkle and being willing to protect the latter.

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* ''Series/BoyMeetsWorld''[='=]s sequel series, ''Series/GirlMeetsWorld'' sees Cory's former bully, Harley Keiner, work working as a janitor as John Quincy Adams UsefulNotes/JohnQuincyAdams Middle School and regrets regretting his actions as a bully, {{bully}}, warning Billy when he's picking on Farkle and being willing to protect the latter.



In ''Series/TheOuterLimits1963'' episode "[[Recap/TheOuterLimits1963S2E16ThePremonition The Premonition]", the [[NoNameGiven Limbo]] [[TragicMonster Being]] gives one of these to the main characters--mostly because they threaten to ''[[ValuesDissonance set him on fire forever]]'' if he doesn't tell them how to escape from their TimeStandsStill situation and avoid becoming trapped in a VoidBetwenTheWorlds, as he was unable to do.



And I wish I was at home in dear old Dublin''

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And I wish I was at home in dear old Dublin''UsefulNotes/{{Dublin}}''



* "House of the rising sun" has (in one of the various versions) the verse:

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* "House "The House of the rising sun" Rising Sun" has (in one of the various versions) the verse:



To shun that house in New Orleans\\

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To shun that house in New Orleans\\UsefulNotes/NewOrleans\\



If you want to save your soul from hell a-ridin' on our range,\\

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If you want to save your soul from hell {{hell}} a-ridin' on our range,\\



* In the [[Literature/TheFourGospels Gospel according to Luke]], UsefulNotes/{{Jesus}} gives the parable of the rich man and Lazarus (not to be confused with [[BackFromTheDead the other Lazarus]]). The rich man goes to hell and then begs Abraham to send Lazarus back to act as the JacobMarleyWarning to his brothers. [[SubvertedTrope Abraham tells him it would do no good]], "If they would not listen to Moses and the prophets, they would not listen even to a man come back from the dead."

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* In the [[Literature/TheFourGospels Gospel according to Luke]], UsefulNotes/{{Jesus}} gives the parable of the rich man and Lazarus (not to be confused with [[BackFromTheDead the other Lazarus]]). The rich man goes to hell and then begs Abraham to send Lazarus back to act as the JacobMarleyWarning Jacob Marley Warning to his brothers. [[SubvertedTrope Abraham tells him it would do no good]], "If they would not listen to Moses and the prophets, they would not listen even to a man come back from the dead."



* Done in ''Film/TheMuppetChristmasCarol'', of course. Worth mentioning because A) they give Jacob a brother, Robert, so they can give the role of Marley to both JustForFun/StatlerAndWaldorf, which allows them to B) sing a cool little song about it all. And C) [[StealthPun you get "Bob Marley"]]. (''Groan'')

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* Done in ''Film/TheMuppetChristmasCarol'', of course. Worth mentioning because A) they give Jacob a brother, Robert, so they can give the role of Marley to both JustForFun/StatlerAndWaldorf, which allows them to B) sing a cool little song about it all. And C) [[StealthPun you get "Bob Marley"]]."Music/BobMarley"]]. (''Groan'')



* ''WebVideo/EpicRapBattlesOfHistory'' has Donald Trump serve as this for Ebeneezer Scrooge in the series' 2013 ChristmasEpisode.

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* ''WebVideo/EpicRapBattlesOfHistory'' has Donald Trump UsefulNotes/DonaldTrump serve as this for Ebeneezer Scrooge in the series' 2013 ChristmasEpisode.



** Parodied in the "My Future Self 'n' Me" episode, where an organization hires actors to play kids future' selves to keep them from using drugs.

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** Parodied in the "My Future Self 'n' Me" episode, where an organization hires actors to play kids future' selves to keep them from [[DrugsAreBad using drugs.drugs]].



* The reason that Luna helps Sweetie Belle in the fourth season ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' episode "For Whom the Sweetie Belle Tolls". As Luna's envy towards her own sister led to banishment for a thousand years, she doesn't want Sweetie Belle to make the same mistake with her own sister, Rarity.

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* The reason that Luna helps Sweetie Belle in the fourth season ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' episode "For "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E20ForWhomTheSweetieBelleToils For Whom the Sweetie Belle Tolls".Toils]]". As Luna's envy towards her own sister led to banishment for a thousand years, she doesn't want Sweetie Belle to make the same mistake with her own sister, Rarity.
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