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30th Jun '16 3:44:53 PM Medinoc
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** While still well-liked by the general fandom, ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing'' has attracted a vocal Hatedom from some old timer UC fans who have accused the series of coloring the general perception of ''Gundam'' and Mecha series in the Western world. When ''Wing'' aired on the Toonami, [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff it garnered higher ratings in the US than in its native Japan]] and acted as a GatewaySeries to ''Gundam''. However, its popularity eclipsed those of the UC entries as the original ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam'' aired after ''Wing'''s run only to suffer abysmal ratings. Furthermore, as ''Wing'' had [[EstrogenBrigade many female fans]], it was also blamed for intensifying the ShipToShipCombat and DieForOurShip sentiments in ''Gundam'' that started in ''Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam''. Much of the rift stems from the differences in narrative and aesthetic styles of ''Wing'' and UC entries. ''Wing'' is about a HoYay-filled independent paramilitary organization trying to end wars between different factions without directly aligning themselves with a specific one. In contrast, the UC entries focus on a single protagonist acting melodramatic in a conflict between 2 major superpowers. Subsequently, many people in Western anime communities are more likely to associate Gundam with the aesthetics of ''Wing'', as it was the most popular series outside of Japan.

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** While still well-liked by the general fandom, ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing'' has attracted a vocal Hatedom from some old timer UC UC[[note]]Universal Century, the verse where most series happen, but notably not ''Wing'' which is an alternate continuity[[/note]] fans who have accused the series of coloring the general perception of ''Gundam'' and Mecha series in the Western world. When ''Wing'' aired on the Toonami, [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff it garnered higher ratings in the US than in its native Japan]] and acted as a GatewaySeries to ''Gundam''. However, its popularity eclipsed those of the UC entries as the original ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam'' aired after ''Wing'''s run only to suffer abysmal ratings. Furthermore, as ''Wing'' had [[EstrogenBrigade many female fans]], it was also blamed for intensifying the ShipToShipCombat and DieForOurShip sentiments in ''Gundam'' that started in ''Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam''. Much of the rift stems from the differences in narrative and aesthetic styles of ''Wing'' and UC entries. ''Wing'' is about a HoYay-filled independent paramilitary organization trying to end wars between different factions without directly aligning themselves with a specific one. In contrast, the UC entries focus on a single protagonist acting melodramatic in a conflict between 2 major superpowers. Subsequently, many people in Western anime communities are more likely to associate Gundam with the aesthetics of ''Wing'', as it was the most popular series outside of Japan.
20th Jun '16 9:08:11 AM AmourMitts
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* The 2015 ''[[Film/FantasticFour2015 Fantastic Four]]'' reboot. Where do we start? The 2005 films, while not stellar films by any means, had a bit of NarmCharm to them, more closely resembled the comics, and are seen by some as either SoOkayItsAverage or SoBadItsGood. ''This'' film, by contrast, has been universally despised by fans and critics alike and is widely seen as the absolute '''worst''' film adaptation of the characters to date, ''especially'' with its portrayal of Doctor Doom. The film is so bad that it has now replaced ''Film/HowardTheDuck'' as the low point for Marvel movies. Now, Creator/TwentiethCenturyFox must either pump out another Fantastic Four film within ten years or risk having the rights to the characters revert back to Creator/{{Marvel}}.

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* The 2015 ''[[Film/FantasticFour2015 Fantastic Four]]'' reboot. Where do we start? The 2005 films, while not stellar films by any means, had a bit of NarmCharm to them, more closely resembled the comics, and are seen by some as either SoOkayItsAverage or SoBadItsGood. ''This'' film, by contrast, has been universally despised by fans and critics alike and is widely seen as the absolute '''worst''' film adaptation of the characters to date, ''especially'' with its portrayal of Doctor Doom. The film is so bad that it has now replaced displaced ''Film/HowardTheDuck'' as the low point for Marvel movies. Now, Creator/TwentiethCenturyFox must either pump out another Fantastic Four film within ten years or risk having the rights to the characters revert back to Creator/{{Marvel}}.
13th Jun '16 10:20:12 PM ArcaneAzmadi
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** One good example is how the characters' nationalities are presented. Willy Wonka is clearly supposed to be British in the novel, but in both film versions he's American. Augustus Gloop's family in the novel is either British or East Coast American, judging by his mother's speech patterns, but both films made them Germans. Veruca Salt's family was American rather than British (in the text, Mr. Salt says "crazy" rather than "mad" and calls his female employees "gals" rather than "girls"), but both films changed this. With the Bucket family it's a gray area: Charlie and his parents and grandparents are ''implied'' to be British (eating cabbage soup and whatnot), but the sequel ''Literature/CharlieAndTheGreatGlassElevator'' follows the lead of the 1971 film by [[{{Retcon}} retconning]] them as Americans, albeit ones of English descent (Grandma Georgina's [[WhiteAngloSaxonProtestant descendants]] came over on the ''Mayflower''); in Burton's version, though, they're back to being British.

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** One good example is how the characters' nationalities are presented. Willy Wonka is clearly supposed to be British in the novel, but in both film versions he's American. Augustus Gloop's family in the novel is either British or East Coast American, judging by his mother's speech patterns, but both films made them Germans. Veruca Salt's family was American rather than British (in the text, Mr. Salt says "crazy" rather than "mad" and calls his female employees "gals" rather than "girls"), but both films changed this. With the Bucket family it's a gray area: Charlie and his parents and grandparents are ''implied'' to be British (eating cabbage soup and whatnot), but the sequel ''Literature/CharlieAndTheGreatGlassElevator'' follows the lead of the 1971 film by [[{{Retcon}} retconning]] them as Americans, albeit ones of English descent (Grandma Georgina's [[WhiteAngloSaxonProtestant descendants]] ancestors]] came over on the ''Mayflower''); in Burton's version, though, they're back to being British.
5th Jun '16 5:30:21 PM AmourMitts
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* ''Film/FantasticFour2015''. Where do we start? The 2005 films, while not stellar films by any means, had a bit of NarmCharm to them, more closely resembled the comics, and are seen by some as either SoOkayItsAverage or SoBadItsGood. ''This'' film, by contrast, has been universally despised by fans and critics alike and is widely seen as the absolute '''worst''' film adaptation of the characters to date, ''especially'' with its portrayal of Doctor Doom. The film is so bad that it has now replaced ''Film/HowardTheDuck'' as the low point for Marvel movies. Now, Creator/20thCenturyFox must either pump out another Fantastic Four film within ten years or risk having the rights to the characters revert back to Creator/{{Marvel}}.

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* ''Film/FantasticFour2015''.The 2015 ''[[Film/FantasticFour2015 Fantastic Four]]'' reboot. Where do we start? The 2005 films, while not stellar films by any means, had a bit of NarmCharm to them, more closely resembled the comics, and are seen by some as either SoOkayItsAverage or SoBadItsGood. ''This'' film, by contrast, has been universally despised by fans and critics alike and is widely seen as the absolute '''worst''' film adaptation of the characters to date, ''especially'' with its portrayal of Doctor Doom. The film is so bad that it has now replaced ''Film/HowardTheDuck'' as the low point for Marvel movies. Now, Creator/20thCenturyFox Creator/TwentiethCenturyFox must either pump out another Fantastic Four film within ten years or risk having the rights to the characters revert back to Creator/{{Marvel}}.
31st May '16 1:44:28 PM Willbyr
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* Perhaps a mild version, but many people only know ''DragonBallZ'' for its anime adaptation. This causes people to stereotype it as having whole episodes of powering up, pointless {{filler}}, and many an InactionSequence, whereas the manga had none of these. Still, ''Dragon Ball Z'' is a very popular anime, so it's not all bad.

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* Perhaps a mild version, but many people only know ''DragonBallZ'' ''Anime/DragonBallZ'' for its anime adaptation. This causes people to stereotype it as having whole episodes of powering up, pointless {{filler}}, and many an InactionSequence, whereas the manga had none of these. Still, ''Dragon Ball Z'' is a very popular anime, so it's not all bad.
21st May '16 2:27:28 PM erforce
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* Inverted in the case of ''WesternAnimation/TheRealGhostbusters'' and ''Film/{{Ghostbusters}} 2''. It's been said ''[=GB2=]'' is seen as the runt of the franchise because ''RGB'' set such a high standard with writing and characterization. At least until ''RGB'' was tragically torn apart by {{Executive Meddling}} in the later seasons.

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* Inverted in the case of ''WesternAnimation/TheRealGhostbusters'' and ''Film/{{Ghostbusters}} 2''.''Film/GhostbustersII''. It's been said ''[=GB2=]'' is seen as the runt of the franchise because ''RGB'' set such a high standard with writing and characterization. At least until ''RGB'' was tragically torn apart by {{Executive Meddling}} in the later seasons.
18th May '16 11:48:36 PM YourMindAches
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** Averted. The [[Film/TheForceAwakens next live-action Star Wars film to be released]] is now the third highest grossing film of all time.



* AngLee's ''Film/{{Hulk}}'' movie is often blamed for the failure of the MCU reboot, ''Film/TheIncredibleHulk'', which despite being better received by fans, sold even ''fewer'' tickets than the original. The character's cinematic reputation has been somewhat restored by ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}'', but Marvel is still wary of giving the property another chance, which is why there's no Hulk sequel in the works as of 2020. It doesn't help that Disney/Marvel would have to share profits with Universal (a condition of Marvel getting the film rights to the character back is that Universal gets distribution rights to any solo Hulk film.)

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** Completely averted as of Spider-Man's Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse [[Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar debut]]. This version of Spider-Man has been widely considered to be the best yet, even with his limited screentime.
* AngLee's ''Film/{{Hulk}}'' movie is often blamed for the failure of the MCU reboot, ''Film/TheIncredibleHulk'', which despite being better received by fans, sold even ''fewer'' tickets than the original. The character's cinematic reputation has been somewhat restored by ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}'', but Marvel is still wary of giving the property another chance, which is why there's no Hulk sequel in the works as of 2020. 2016. It doesn't help that Disney/Marvel would have to share profits with Universal (a condition of Marvel getting the film rights to the character back is that Universal gets distribution rights to any solo Hulk film.) film).



* ''Film/FantasticFour2015''. Where do we start? The 2005 films, while not stellar films by any means, had a bit of NarmCharm to them, more closely resembled the comics, and are seen by some as either SoOkayItsAverage or SoBadItsGood. ''This'' film, by contrast, has been universally despised by fans and critics alike and is widely seen as the absolute '''worst''' film adaptation of the characters to date, ''especially'' with its portrayal of Doctor Doom. The film is so bad that it has now replaced ''Film/HowardTheDuck'' as the low point for Marvel movies.

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* ''Film/FantasticFour2015''. Where do we start? The 2005 films, while not stellar films by any means, had a bit of NarmCharm to them, more closely resembled the comics, and are seen by some as either SoOkayItsAverage or SoBadItsGood. ''This'' film, by contrast, has been universally despised by fans and critics alike and is widely seen as the absolute '''worst''' film adaptation of the characters to date, ''especially'' with its portrayal of Doctor Doom. The film is so bad that it has now replaced ''Film/HowardTheDuck'' as the low point for Marvel movies. Now, Creator/20thCenturyFox must either pump out another Fantastic Four film within ten years or risk having the rights to the characters revert back to Creator/{{Marvel}}.
17th May '16 7:39:22 PM AndyLA
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** On another level, the individual ''Sentai'' seasons can be tarred with the ''Rangers'' brush. Some past seasons get a bad reputation simply because of the following ''Rangers'' adaptations. Some fans who watch ''Rangers'' first looked a little skeptically on ''Gaoranger'' or ''Boukenger'' simply because of how badly they were adapted into ''Wild Force'' or ''Operation Overdrive''.

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** On another level, the individual ''Sentai'' seasons can be tarred with the ''Rangers'' brush. Some past seasons get a bad reputation simply because of the following ''Rangers'' adaptations. Some fans who watch ''Rangers'' first looked a little skeptically on ''Gaoranger'' ''[[Series/HyakujuuSentaiGaoranger Gaoranger]]'' or ''Boukenger'' ''[[Series/GoGoSentaiBoukenger Boukenger]]'' simply because of how badly they were adapted into ''Wild Force'' ''[[Series/PowerRangersWildForce Wild Force]]'' or ''Operation Overdrive''.''[[Series/PowerRangersOperationOverdrive Operation Overdrive]]''.



On top of that, some time ago Saban applied for a trademark for "Power Rider", which many believe is their giving "Kamen Rider" another swing. Although, that was around the time ''Series/PowerRangersSamurai'' was airing (which gave fans the impression they would try to adapt ''Series/KamenRiderDecade'', considering how it [[{{Crossover}} intersected with ''Samurai''[='=]s [[Series/SamuraiSentaiShinkenger source series]]), and nothing yet has come of that.

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On top of that, some time ago Saban applied for a trademark for "Power Rider", which many believe is their giving "Kamen Rider" another swing. Although, that was around the time ''Series/PowerRangersSamurai'' was airing (which gave fans the impression they would try to adapt ''Series/KamenRiderDecade'', considering how it [[{{Crossover}} intersected with with]] ''Samurai''[='=]s [[Series/SamuraiSentaiShinkenger source series]]), and nothing yet has come of that.
17th May '16 7:30:33 PM AndyLA
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** Notably, UsefulNotes/TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks may have revitalized interest in the show as a backlash against all the grimdarkness. ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold'' was something of a love letter to both the show and UsefulNotes/{{the Silver Age|of Comic Books}} DC comics, and even included episodes written by Paul Dini, who had done plenty of serious work for the comparatively serious ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries''. Also, Creator/DCComics debuted ''Batman '66'', which treats the TV show as an alternate universe, in 2013 to modest success.

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** Notably, UsefulNotes/TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks may have revitalized interest in the show as a backlash against all the grimdarkness. ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold'' was something of a love letter to both the show and UsefulNotes/{{the Silver Age|of Comic Books}} DC comics, and even included episodes written by Paul Dini, who had done plenty of serious work for the comparatively serious ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries''. Also, Creator/DCComics debuted ''Batman '66'', which treats the TV show as an alternate universe, universe (even adding characters that either weren't in 2013 the show, such as Two-Face and Poison Ivy, or didn't even exist in 1966, such as Bane and Harley Quinn) in 2013, to modest success.
17th May '16 7:27:48 PM AndyLA
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* The 60s high {{Camp}} TV interpretation of ''Series/{{Batman}}'' still lingers on as some people's view of the character, despite several adaptations and major character changes since. This has continued to the extent that Warner Bros. Consumer Products has approached Adam West and 20th Century Fox (producers of the TV show) in 2012 about producing merchandise based on the TV shows. (Also, greeting cards from Hallmark tend to follow the Adam West design, which most closely resembled the traditional comic book design.) The Jim Holmes incident may further encourage this revival of the West version.
** Many also complain that the show paints the UsefulNotes/TheComicsCode[=/=][[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]]-era Batman comics, which are now remembered as being as campy and silly as the show. Many forget that the West show was intended as a parody, and was restrained by the production values and budget of an ABC show in the 1960s. Fans of classic comics lament that so many view this period of comics as a Dork Age, because despite not treating a guy who dresses up as giant bat to fight crime as such serious business, the Batman of the 60's and 70s was still cool in his own right.
** In some ways, ''Batman'' was an ink stain for ''the genre of Western superheroes.'' Until 2000 or so, when superhero movies started being huge, any outside journalism on the genre would feature "Bif! Pow!" in the headline, as if Adam West was the last word on the subject.
** Notably, UsefulNotes/TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks may have revitalized interest in the show as a backlash against all the grimdarkness. ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold'' was something of a love letter to both the show and UsefulNotes/{{the Silver Age|of Comic Books}} DC comics, and even included episodes written by Paul Dini, who had done plenty of serious work for the comparatively serious ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries''. Also, Creator/DCComics debuted ''Batman '66'', which treats the TV show as an alternate universe, in 2013 to modest success.



* The 60s high {{Camp}} TV interpretation of ''Series/{{Batman}}'' still lingers on as some people's view of the character, despite several adaptations and major character changes since. This has continued to the extent that Warner Bros. Consumer Products has approached Adam West and 20th Century Fox (producers of the TV show) in 2012 about producing merchandise based on the TV shows. (Also, greeting cards from Hallmark tend to follow the Adam West design, which most closely resembled the traditional comic book design.) The Jim Holmes incident may further encourage this revival of the West version.
** Many also complain that the show paints the UsefulNotes/TheComicsCode[=/=][[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]]-era Batman comics, which are now remembered as being as campy and silly as the show. Many forget that the West show was intended as a parody, and was restrained by the production values and budget of an ABC show in the 1960s. Fans of classic comics lament that so many view this period of comics as a Dork Age, because despite not treating a guy who dresses up as giant bat to fight crime as such serious business, the Batman of the 60's and 70s was still cool in his own right.
** In some ways, ''Batman'' was an ink stain for ''the genre of Western superheroes.'' Until 2000 or so, when superhero movies started being huge, any outside journalism on the genre would feature "Bif! Pow!" in the headline, as if Adam West was the last word on the subject.
** Notably, UsefulNotes/TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks may have revitalized interest in the show as a backlash against all the grimdarkness. ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold'' was something of a love letter to both the show and UsefulNotes/{{the Silver Age|of Comic Books}} DC comics, and even included episodes written by Paul Dini, who had done plenty of serious work for the comparatively serious ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries''. Also, Creator/DCComics debuted ''Batman '66'', which treats the TV show as an alternate universe, in 2013 to modest success.



On top of that, some time ago Saban applied for a trademark for "Power Rider", which many believe is their giving "Kamen Rider" another swing.

to:

On top of that, some time ago Saban applied for a trademark for "Power Rider", which many believe is their giving "Kamen Rider" another swing. Although, that was around the time ''Series/PowerRangersSamurai'' was airing (which gave fans the impression they would try to adapt ''Series/KamenRiderDecade'', considering how it [[{{Crossover}} intersected with ''Samurai''[='=]s [[Series/SamuraiSentaiShinkenger source series]]), and nothing yet has come of that.
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