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21st May '16 2:27:28 PM erforce
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* Inverted in the case of ''WesternAnimation/TheRealGhostbusters'' and ''Film/{{Ghostbusters}} 2''. It's been said ''[=GB2=]'' is seen as the runt of the franchise because ''RGB'' set such a high standard with writing and characterization. At least until ''RGB'' was tragically torn apart by {{Executive Meddling}} in the later seasons.

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* Inverted in the case of ''WesternAnimation/TheRealGhostbusters'' and ''Film/{{Ghostbusters}} 2''.''Film/GhostbustersII''. It's been said ''[=GB2=]'' is seen as the runt of the franchise because ''RGB'' set such a high standard with writing and characterization. At least until ''RGB'' was tragically torn apart by {{Executive Meddling}} in the later seasons.
18th May '16 11:48:36 PM YourMindAches
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** Averted. The [[Film/TheForceAwakens next live-action Star Wars film to be released]] is now the third highest grossing film of all time.



* AngLee's ''Film/{{Hulk}}'' movie is often blamed for the failure of the MCU reboot, ''Film/TheIncredibleHulk'', which despite being better received by fans, sold even ''fewer'' tickets than the original. The character's cinematic reputation has been somewhat restored by ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}'', but Marvel is still wary of giving the property another chance, which is why there's no Hulk sequel in the works as of 2020. It doesn't help that Disney/Marvel would have to share profits with Universal (a condition of Marvel getting the film rights to the character back is that Universal gets distribution rights to any solo Hulk film.)

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** Completely averted as of Spider-Man's Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse [[Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar debut]]. This version of Spider-Man has been widely considered to be the best yet, even with his limited screentime.
* AngLee's ''Film/{{Hulk}}'' movie is often blamed for the failure of the MCU reboot, ''Film/TheIncredibleHulk'', which despite being better received by fans, sold even ''fewer'' tickets than the original. The character's cinematic reputation has been somewhat restored by ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}'', but Marvel is still wary of giving the property another chance, which is why there's no Hulk sequel in the works as of 2020. 2016. It doesn't help that Disney/Marvel would have to share profits with Universal (a condition of Marvel getting the film rights to the character back is that Universal gets distribution rights to any solo Hulk film.) film).



* ''Film/FantasticFour2015''. Where do we start? The 2005 films, while not stellar films by any means, had a bit of NarmCharm to them, more closely resembled the comics, and are seen by some as either SoOkayItsAverage or SoBadItsGood. ''This'' film, by contrast, has been universally despised by fans and critics alike and is widely seen as the absolute '''worst''' film adaptation of the characters to date, ''especially'' with its portrayal of Doctor Doom. The film is so bad that it has now replaced ''Film/HowardTheDuck'' as the low point for Marvel movies.

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* ''Film/FantasticFour2015''. Where do we start? The 2005 films, while not stellar films by any means, had a bit of NarmCharm to them, more closely resembled the comics, and are seen by some as either SoOkayItsAverage or SoBadItsGood. ''This'' film, by contrast, has been universally despised by fans and critics alike and is widely seen as the absolute '''worst''' film adaptation of the characters to date, ''especially'' with its portrayal of Doctor Doom. The film is so bad that it has now replaced ''Film/HowardTheDuck'' as the low point for Marvel movies. Now, Creator/20thCenturyFox must either pump out another Fantastic Four film within ten years or risk having the rights to the characters revert back to Creator/{{Marvel}}.
17th May '16 7:39:22 PM AndyLA
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** On another level, the individual ''Sentai'' seasons can be tarred with the ''Rangers'' brush. Some past seasons get a bad reputation simply because of the following ''Rangers'' adaptations. Some fans who watch ''Rangers'' first looked a little skeptically on ''Gaoranger'' or ''Boukenger'' simply because of how badly they were adapted into ''Wild Force'' or ''Operation Overdrive''.

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** On another level, the individual ''Sentai'' seasons can be tarred with the ''Rangers'' brush. Some past seasons get a bad reputation simply because of the following ''Rangers'' adaptations. Some fans who watch ''Rangers'' first looked a little skeptically on ''Gaoranger'' ''[[Series/HyakujuuSentaiGaoranger Gaoranger]]'' or ''Boukenger'' ''[[Series/GoGoSentaiBoukenger Boukenger]]'' simply because of how badly they were adapted into ''Wild Force'' ''[[Series/PowerRangersWildForce Wild Force]]'' or ''Operation Overdrive''.''[[Series/PowerRangersOperationOverdrive Operation Overdrive]]''.



On top of that, some time ago Saban applied for a trademark for "Power Rider", which many believe is their giving "Kamen Rider" another swing. Although, that was around the time ''Series/PowerRangersSamurai'' was airing (which gave fans the impression they would try to adapt ''Series/KamenRiderDecade'', considering how it [[{{Crossover}} intersected with ''Samurai''[='=]s [[Series/SamuraiSentaiShinkenger source series]]), and nothing yet has come of that.

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On top of that, some time ago Saban applied for a trademark for "Power Rider", which many believe is their giving "Kamen Rider" another swing. Although, that was around the time ''Series/PowerRangersSamurai'' was airing (which gave fans the impression they would try to adapt ''Series/KamenRiderDecade'', considering how it [[{{Crossover}} intersected with with]] ''Samurai''[='=]s [[Series/SamuraiSentaiShinkenger source series]]), and nothing yet has come of that.
17th May '16 7:30:33 PM AndyLA
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** Notably, UsefulNotes/TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks may have revitalized interest in the show as a backlash against all the grimdarkness. ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold'' was something of a love letter to both the show and UsefulNotes/{{the Silver Age|of Comic Books}} DC comics, and even included episodes written by Paul Dini, who had done plenty of serious work for the comparatively serious ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries''. Also, Creator/DCComics debuted ''Batman '66'', which treats the TV show as an alternate universe, in 2013 to modest success.

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** Notably, UsefulNotes/TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks may have revitalized interest in the show as a backlash against all the grimdarkness. ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold'' was something of a love letter to both the show and UsefulNotes/{{the Silver Age|of Comic Books}} DC comics, and even included episodes written by Paul Dini, who had done plenty of serious work for the comparatively serious ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries''. Also, Creator/DCComics debuted ''Batman '66'', which treats the TV show as an alternate universe, universe (even adding characters that either weren't in 2013 the show, such as Two-Face and Poison Ivy, or didn't even exist in 1966, such as Bane and Harley Quinn) in 2013, to modest success.
17th May '16 7:27:48 PM AndyLA
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* The 60s high {{Camp}} TV interpretation of ''Series/{{Batman}}'' still lingers on as some people's view of the character, despite several adaptations and major character changes since. This has continued to the extent that Warner Bros. Consumer Products has approached Adam West and 20th Century Fox (producers of the TV show) in 2012 about producing merchandise based on the TV shows. (Also, greeting cards from Hallmark tend to follow the Adam West design, which most closely resembled the traditional comic book design.) The Jim Holmes incident may further encourage this revival of the West version.
** Many also complain that the show paints the UsefulNotes/TheComicsCode[=/=][[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]]-era Batman comics, which are now remembered as being as campy and silly as the show. Many forget that the West show was intended as a parody, and was restrained by the production values and budget of an ABC show in the 1960s. Fans of classic comics lament that so many view this period of comics as a Dork Age, because despite not treating a guy who dresses up as giant bat to fight crime as such serious business, the Batman of the 60's and 70s was still cool in his own right.
** In some ways, ''Batman'' was an ink stain for ''the genre of Western superheroes.'' Until 2000 or so, when superhero movies started being huge, any outside journalism on the genre would feature "Bif! Pow!" in the headline, as if Adam West was the last word on the subject.
** Notably, UsefulNotes/TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks may have revitalized interest in the show as a backlash against all the grimdarkness. ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold'' was something of a love letter to both the show and UsefulNotes/{{the Silver Age|of Comic Books}} DC comics, and even included episodes written by Paul Dini, who had done plenty of serious work for the comparatively serious ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries''. Also, Creator/DCComics debuted ''Batman '66'', which treats the TV show as an alternate universe, in 2013 to modest success.



* The 60s high {{Camp}} TV interpretation of ''Series/{{Batman}}'' still lingers on as some people's view of the character, despite several adaptations and major character changes since. This has continued to the extent that Warner Bros. Consumer Products has approached Adam West and 20th Century Fox (producers of the TV show) in 2012 about producing merchandise based on the TV shows. (Also, greeting cards from Hallmark tend to follow the Adam West design, which most closely resembled the traditional comic book design.) The Jim Holmes incident may further encourage this revival of the West version.
** Many also complain that the show paints the UsefulNotes/TheComicsCode[=/=][[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]]-era Batman comics, which are now remembered as being as campy and silly as the show. Many forget that the West show was intended as a parody, and was restrained by the production values and budget of an ABC show in the 1960s. Fans of classic comics lament that so many view this period of comics as a Dork Age, because despite not treating a guy who dresses up as giant bat to fight crime as such serious business, the Batman of the 60's and 70s was still cool in his own right.
** In some ways, ''Batman'' was an ink stain for ''the genre of Western superheroes.'' Until 2000 or so, when superhero movies started being huge, any outside journalism on the genre would feature "Bif! Pow!" in the headline, as if Adam West was the last word on the subject.
** Notably, UsefulNotes/TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks may have revitalized interest in the show as a backlash against all the grimdarkness. ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold'' was something of a love letter to both the show and UsefulNotes/{{the Silver Age|of Comic Books}} DC comics, and even included episodes written by Paul Dini, who had done plenty of serious work for the comparatively serious ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries''. Also, Creator/DCComics debuted ''Batman '66'', which treats the TV show as an alternate universe, in 2013 to modest success.



On top of that, some time ago Saban applied for a trademark for "Power Rider", which many believe is their giving "Kamen Rider" another swing.

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On top of that, some time ago Saban applied for a trademark for "Power Rider", which many believe is their giving "Kamen Rider" another swing. Although, that was around the time ''Series/PowerRangersSamurai'' was airing (which gave fans the impression they would try to adapt ''Series/KamenRiderDecade'', considering how it [[{{Crossover}} intersected with ''Samurai''[='=]s [[Series/SamuraiSentaiShinkenger source series]]), and nothing yet has come of that.
16th May '16 7:13:02 AM ZemplinTemplar
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* The [[{{VideoGame/Thief2014}} 2014 reboot attempt]] for the ''VideoGame/{{Thief}}'' series has been frequently criticised for being too superficial in its homaging of the original series, mostly ignoring its gameplay and storytelling nuanses and often replacing them with gratuitous, out-of-place edginess. The main story was widely derided for being badly plotted, with some [[IdiotBall very questionable and annoying characterisation]] for many characters, the complete jettisoning of the varied factions that made the series' universe interesting and unique (sans the odd token reference here and there) and an absence of the dry-witted humour that was typical for the series alongside its more serious plots. An oft-heard complaint is that the game mechanics and stylistic choices in the reboot seem to shun Thief's previous design sensibilities and prefer to ape the then-recent success of ''VideoGame/{{Dishonored}}'' (itself actually considered more of a ''Thief'' game (in spirit) even by ''Thief'' fans than the official reboot they got). Most damningly, the reboot game suffers the most from lacking level design favourable to the very open-ended style of exploration and objective completion that the original three ''Thief'' games and ''Dishonored'' are well known and loved for. The gameplay instead opts for a very railroaded layout, with very limited options for different possible approaches to each location. Couple all of that with several ridiculous technical issues and bizarre glitches in the worst places possible - particularly in enemy AI and sound propagation, a key part of previous ''Thief'' games - and the reboot does itself almost no favours. Tellingly, the game isn't usually condemned as outright terrible, but even the most forgiving fans and critics predominantly consider it bland and SoOkayItsAverage at best. Granted, a series as acclaimed and ground-breaking as ''Thief'' was a ToughActToFollow, not the least because its creators were [[Creator/LookingGlassStudios one of the most innovative developers of the 1990s]], and yet the reboot still messed up a lot of things in ways it could have avoided. In something of a subversion, the massive flaws of the reboot ''haven't'' substantially hurt the reputation of the old games for newcomers, and many have gone back and discovered them thanks to it. It's currently dubious whether there'll be any future sequels, though (unlike with ''Tomb Raider'', ''Hitman'' or ''Deus Ex'').
14th May '16 8:11:15 AM PhantomHeartless5
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* ''Film/FantasticFour2015''. Where do we start? The 2005 films, while not stellar films by any means, had a bit of NarmCharm to them, more closely resembled the comics, and are seen by some as SoBadItsGood. ''This'' film, by contrast, has been universally despised by fans and critics alike and is widely seen as the absolute '''worst''' film adaptation of the characters to date, ''especially'' with its portrayal of Doctor Doom. The film is so bad that it has now replaced ''Film/HowardTheDuck'' as the low point for Marvel movies.

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* ''Film/FantasticFour2015''. Where do we start? The 2005 films, while not stellar films by any means, had a bit of NarmCharm to them, more closely resembled the comics, and are seen by some as either SoOkayItsAverage or SoBadItsGood. ''This'' film, by contrast, has been universally despised by fans and critics alike and is widely seen as the absolute '''worst''' film adaptation of the characters to date, ''especially'' with its portrayal of Doctor Doom. The film is so bad that it has now replaced ''Film/HowardTheDuck'' as the low point for Marvel movies.
1st May '16 8:28:01 AM DiscoTam
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* AngLee's ''Film/{{Hulk}}'' movie is often blamed for the failure of the MCU reboot, ''Film/TheIncredibleHulk'', which despite being better received by fans, sold even ''less'' tickets than the original. The character's cinematic reputation has been somewhat restored by ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}'', but Marvel is still wary of giving the property another chance, which is why there's no Hulk sequel in the works as of 2020. It doesn't help that Disney/Marvel would have to share profits with Universal (a condition of Marvel getting the film rights to the character back is that Universal gets distribution rights to any solo Hulk film.)

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* AngLee's ''Film/{{Hulk}}'' movie is often blamed for the failure of the MCU reboot, ''Film/TheIncredibleHulk'', which despite being better received by fans, sold even ''less'' ''fewer'' tickets than the original. The character's cinematic reputation has been somewhat restored by ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}'', but Marvel is still wary of giving the property another chance, which is why there's no Hulk sequel in the works as of 2020. It doesn't help that Disney/Marvel would have to share profits with Universal (a condition of Marvel getting the film rights to the character back is that Universal gets distribution rights to any solo Hulk film.)
28th Apr '16 9:06:04 PM shinykittie
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** The TV series was a distillation of the very silliest of UsefulNotes/TheComicsCode[=/=][[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]]-era Batman comics, roughly late '50s to mid '60s. In fact some say that the later (1970s-80s) portrayals of Batman were a backlash against the show. In Amazing Heroes#119 in 1987 (two years before the Michael Keaton film), Max Allan Collins had an interview. He said the following:
--->“I’m afraid what I’m running smack up into is the old Batman TV show controversy: the old business about, Gee that was a TV show that made fun of Batman and made fun of comic books, so we have to show people that Batman and comic books are serious and they’re adult and accordingly all the fun goes out of it. There was a reason why that TV show was played for laughs and that is when you put actual human beings in those costumes and act out those stories, it looks stupid. They betray their juvenile roots. It can’t be done straight. I defy them to do the movie straight”.
*** What Collins apparently forgot were the ''Batman'' film serials of the 1940s, which ''did'' play Batman completely straight and arguably succeeded; it helped that they pitted him and Robin against [[ThisIsReality gangsters and spies]] rather than the RoguesGallery.

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** The TV series was a distillation of Many also complain that the very silliest of show paints the UsefulNotes/TheComicsCode[=/=][[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]]-era Batman comics, roughly late '50s to mid '60s. In fact some say that the later (1970s-80s) portrayals of Batman were a backlash against which are now remembered as being as campy and silly as the show. In Amazing Heroes#119 in 1987 (two years before the Michael Keaton film), Max Allan Collins had an interview. He said the following:
--->“I’m afraid what I’m running smack up into is the old Batman TV show controversy: the old business about, Gee
Many forget that was a TV show that made fun of Batman and made fun of comic books, so we have to show people that Batman and comic books are serious and they’re adult and accordingly all the fun goes out of it. There was a reason why that TV West show was played for laughs intended as a parody, and was restrained by the production values and budget of an ABC show in the 1960s. Fans of classic comics lament that is when you put actual human beings in those costumes and act out those stories, it looks stupid. They betray their juvenile roots. It can’t be done straight. I defy them so many view this period of comics as a Dork Age, because despite not treating a guy who dresses up as giant bat to do fight crime as such serious business, the movie straight”.
*** What Collins apparently forgot were the ''Batman'' film serials
Batman of the 1940s, which ''did'' play Batman completely straight 60's and arguably succeeded; it helped that they pitted him and Robin against [[ThisIsReality gangsters and spies]] rather than the RoguesGallery.70s was still cool in his own right.
21st Apr '16 3:03:36 PM Josef5678
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* The popularity of the Cat Mario power-up from ''VideoGame/SuperMario3DWorld'' was damaged by Cat Peach becoming a [=DLC=] character in ''VideoGame/MarioKart8''. This caused backlash from the fanbase as there were now three Peaches (standard Peach, Pink Gold Peach, and now this one) in the game's roster, and Cat Peach (as well as Tanooki Mario) was seen as an unnecessary addition to the game over more popular characters who weren't in the game already (such as Bowser Jr., Birdo, or Dry Bones). The later addition of Mario and Peach in Cat Suits to ''VideoGame/SuperMarioMaker'' as Mystery Mushroom characters was met with indifference at best.

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* The popularity of the Cat Mario power-up from ''VideoGame/SuperMario3DWorld'' was damaged by Cat Peach becoming a [=DLC=] character in ''VideoGame/MarioKart8''. This caused backlash from the fanbase as there were now three four Peaches (standard Peach, Baby Peach, Pink Gold Peach, and now this one) Cat Peach) in the game's roster, and Cat Peach (as well as Tanooki Mario) was seen as an unnecessary addition to the game over more popular characters who weren't in the game already (such as Bowser Jr., Birdo, or Dry Bones). The later addition of Mario and Peach in Cat Suits to ''VideoGame/SuperMarioMaker'' as Mystery Mushroom characters was met with indifference at best.
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