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14th Sep '16 6:50:21 AM narm00
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** In general, [[VocalMinority some fringe UC fans]] will accuse any alternate universe Gundam series not made by Creator/YoshiyukiTomino for negatively affecting the image of Gundam, regardless of actual quality. Not even beloved OVA series set in the UC timeline like ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamThe08thMSTeam'' are exempt from this accusation. As these OVAs generally focus on gritty realism, many newcomers initially exposed to these were surprised of more fantastical elements in the UC lore like Newtypes.

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** In general, [[VocalMinority some fringe UC fans]] will accuse any alternate universe Gundam series not made by Creator/YoshiyukiTomino for negatively affecting the image of Gundam, regardless of actual quality. Not even beloved OVA series set in the UC timeline like ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamThe08thMSTeam'' are exempt from this accusation. As these OVAs [=OVAs=] generally focus on gritty realism, many newcomers initially exposed to these were surprised of at more fantastical elements in the UC lore like Newtypes.
1st Sep '16 1:13:11 AM Jokubas
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* Everyone remembers ''WesternAnimation/HeManAndTheMastersOfTheUniverse1983'', with its goofy takes on the characters and the [[AndKnowingIsHalfTheBattle moral segments]] at the end. Very few remember the previous DC Comics take on ''Franchise/MastersOfTheUniverse'', where the Sorceress is referred to as 'The Goddess' and lives in a cave (and not Castle Greyskull—and she and Zoar the falcon are separate characters), Prince Adam (He-Man's alter-ego who didn't appear in the toyline minicomics... at first) is known for 'wenching and carousing', and Skeletor is a much more dangerous villain who kills a rival wizard in combat. There were also illustrated books released with the original action figures which gave different origins for the characters (Teela, instead of being the Sorceress' daughter, is a magical clone of her[[note]]which practically makes Teela her "daughter" anyway[[/note]]), and had a storyline where He-Man's Sword of Power was split in two (with He-Man possessing one half and Skeletor the other—this was reflected in the original action figure accessories with two 'sword halves' with the characters' figures that could be put together). Later takes on He-Man and the Masters of the Universe (such as [[Film/MastersOfTheUniverse the 1987 live-action movie]] and [[WesternAnimation/HeManAndTheMastersOfTheUniverse2002 the 2002 series]]) don't seem to be talked about as much as the [[FirstInstallmentWins 80's Filmation cartoon.]]

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* Everyone remembers ''WesternAnimation/HeManAndTheMastersOfTheUniverse1983'', with its goofy takes on the characters and the [[AndKnowingIsHalfTheBattle moral segments]] at the end. Very few remember the previous DC Comics take on ''Franchise/MastersOfTheUniverse'', where the Sorceress is referred to as 'The Goddess' It was a cultural phenomenon in its day, and lives in a cave (and not Castle Greyskull—and she and Zoar the falcon are separate characters), Prince Adam (He-Man's alter-ego who didn't appear is ripe for MemeticMutation in the toyline minicomics... at first) is known for 'wenching internet age. Fewer know that it was not the first version, and carousing', and Skeletor is a much more dangerous villain who kills a rival wizard in combat. There were also illustrated books released with it wasn't even close to the original action figures which gave different origins for the characters (Teela, instead last. The earliest version of being the Sorceress' daughter, is a magical clone of her[[note]]which practically makes Teela her "daughter" anyway[[/note]]), and had a storyline where He-Man's Sword of Power was split in two (with He-Man possessing one half and Skeletor the other—this was reflected had no SecretIdentity, just being a BarbarianHero in the original action figure accessories with two 'sword halves' with the characters' figures that could a sort of FuturePrimitive setting implied to be put together). Later takes on He-Man and the Masters AfterTheEnd of the Universe (such as [[Film/MastersOfTheUniverse the 1987 live-action movie]] and their world. [[WesternAnimation/HeManAndTheMastersOfTheUniverse2002 the The 2002 series]]) don't seem to be talked series]] was a reboot that primarily drew from the first cartoon, but dialed down the camp and bumped things up a stage on the SlidingScaleOfContinuity. DC Comics would handle another reboot in 2012, in the form of a DarkerAndEdgier comic series. On top of that, you have the spin-off of the first cartoon, [[WesternAnimation/SheRa She-Ra]], about as much as He-Man's long-lost sister, and the [[FirstInstallmentWins 80's Filmation cartoon.]]pseudo-sequel, [[WesternAnimation/TheNewAdventuresOfHeman New Adventures of He-Man]], which moved to a new setting, mostly new cast, and transitioned to sci-fi.
27th Aug '16 10:52:47 AM HighCrate
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* The infamously cheap and [[TroubledProduction horribly produced]] ''Series/DoctorWho'' story "Warriors of the Deep" pretty much codified all of the negative opinion of 1980s ''Who''. This was because the problems with the story were [[FranchiseOriginalSin exaggerations of problems that were already there at a more manageable level for years]], and because its more embarrassing clips were often pointed to by the show's detractors to point out how silly it looked. Even now that the thoroughly better made revival series has eroded much of this, it's still common to hear commentators talking about wobbly sets, bad acting and dodgy monster costumes over that clip of Whatsherface [[{{Narm}} trying to kick a pantomime horse]].




* ''VideoGame/BloodyRoar'': Each sequel after the 2nd further destroyed people's perceptions that the game involved any skill or strategy, culminating with Bloody Roar 4, where one could almost justly assume the entire series was just a ButtonMasher.
* ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaRondoOfBlood'', the [[NoExportForYou Japanese-only]] [[TurboGrafx16 PC Engine]] installment of the ''Franchise/{{Castlevania}}'' franchise, received one in the form of the SNES adaptation, ''Dracula X'', which eschewed all of the stages as well as a playable Maria, and [[NintendoHard ratcheted the difficulty upward to ungodly levels]]. It did not go over well at all, and [[SmallReferencePools anyone unaware of the original would immediately think of the SNES game instead]] even when the PC Engine version was specifically mentioned. Luckily, this was all remedied with the release of the PSP mini-compilation ''The Dracula X Chronicles'', which included both the original Rondo along with the remake, as well as its sequel ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaSymphonyOfTheNight'', and subsequently, the appearance of a perfectly emulated ''Rondo'' for the [[UsefulNotes/{{Wii}} Wii's Virtual Console]].
* ''VideoGame/ToeJamAndEarl'' had many [[RogueLike Rogue Lite]] elements and many aspects that were rarely seen in console games, but a glance at its good but less creative side-scrolling sequel or the unimpressive third game can make a casual observer overlook the original.
* For ''VideoGame/CallOfDuty'':
** The later entries in the ''VideoGame/ModernWarfare'' sub-series, while being one of the biggest selling trilogies in all of gaming, have ultimately tainted many gamers' view of the franchise as a whole, to the point that any future releases are unfavorably deemed as being "mere MW re-skins". Try to point out how much different the games from Treyarch and Sledgehammer are, and most will still write them off as being just recycled assets all dressed up. Not helped by the fact that the first post-''MW'' Infinity Ward release, ''VideoGame/CallOfDutyGhosts'', was essentially everything that the detractors claimed the series has become[[note]]see in particular [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezuDHfDhrP0 this comparison]] between the ending of ''[=MW2=]'' and the beginning of ''Ghosts''[[/note]], leading many to call the next upcoming release, ''VideoGame/CallOfDutyAdvancedWarfare'', as the derogatory nickname "Call of Duty Recycled Warfare", in spite of the many changes it had, in addition to using a new engine and being in development for three years (one of the things which helped make ''Call of Duty 4'' as good as it was, was that the developers were brainstorming ideas for it since 2004).
** In Russia, the ''Modern Warfare'''s [[FlameBait controversial]] [[MisplacedNationalism plot]], perceived repetitiveness and exploitational nature of the gameplay, and the [[{{GIFT}} hordes of obscenities-screaming kids]] in the console versions painted the series' perception for all eternity, leading much of the die-hard FPS fans (especially [[UnpleasableFanbase the old-school bunch]], who associate it with everything they see wrong with the modern FPS) to dismiss it out of hand, and earning the whole series, not just MW, a ''hugely'' disparaging nickname "Каловдутие" ("Kalovdutie", [[SpellMyNameWithAnS phonetically close to the original name]], but literally meaning "Shit blow-in").



* Many fans of the ''Franchise/ResidentEvil'' ''[[Film/ResidentEvil film series]]'' will take one look at the games, particularly ''VideoGame/ResidentEvil3'' where there is quite the resemblance between the two characters, and mistake Jill for Alice. Needless to say making this mistake or even believing Jill was ''based'' on ''Creator/MillaJovovich'' within earshot of the game's fanbase (to whom you're better off not mentioning the films ''period'') will make them [[FandomBerserkButton go nuclear]].
* ''VideoGame/SonicBoom: Rise of Lyric'', while not as egregious as other examples, has tainted the reputation of [[WesternAnimation/SonicBoom the show]].
** For some people, this game tainted the reputation of the '''entire''' ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'' franchise if ''VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog2006'' didn't do so already.
* [[VideoGame/KidIcarusUprising Dark Pit]]'s and [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening Lucina]]'s controversial status as MovesetClone characters in ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros'' ultimately damaged their overall reputation as characters, particularly in the former case. It gets to where few folks can see either one of them without thinking of their depiction in ''Smash''.
* The popularity of the Cat Mario power-up from ''VideoGame/SuperMario3DWorld'' was damaged by Cat Peach becoming a [=DLC=] character in ''VideoGame/MarioKart8''. This caused backlash from the fanbase as there were now four Peaches (standard Peach, Baby Peach, Pink Gold Peach, and now Cat Peach) in the game's roster, and Cat Peach (as well as Tanooki Mario) was seen as an unnecessary addition to the game over more popular characters who weren't in the game already (such as Bowser Jr., Birdo, or Dry Bones). The later addition of Mario and Peach in Cat Suits to ''VideoGame/SuperMarioMaker'' as Mystery Mushroom characters was met with indifference at best.
* The [[{{VideoGame/Thief2014}} 2014 reboot attempt]] for the ''VideoGame/{{Thief}}'' series has been frequently criticised for being too superficial in its homaging of the original series, mostly ignoring its gameplay and storytelling nuanses and often replacing them with gratuitous, out-of-place edginess. The main story was widely derided for being badly plotted, with some [[IdiotBall very questionable and annoying characterisation]] for many characters, the complete jettisoning of the varied factions that made the series' universe interesting and unique (sans the odd token reference here and there) and an absence of the dry-witted humour that was typical for the series alongside its more serious plots. An oft-heard complaint is that the game mechanics and stylistic choices in the reboot seem to shun Thief's previous design sensibilities and prefer to ape the then-recent success of ''VideoGame/{{Dishonored}}'' (itself actually considered more of a ''Thief'' game (in spirit) even by ''Thief'' fans than the official reboot they got). Most damningly, the reboot game suffers the most from lacking level design favourable to the very open-ended style of exploration and objective completion that the original three ''Thief'' games and ''Dishonored'' are well known and loved for. The gameplay instead opts for a very railroaded layout, with very limited options for different possible approaches to each location. Couple all of that with several ridiculous technical issues and bizarre glitches in the worst places possible - particularly in enemy AI and sound propagation, a key part of previous ''Thief'' games - and the reboot does itself almost no favours. Tellingly, the game isn't usually condemned as outright terrible, but even the most forgiving fans and critics predominantly consider it bland and SoOkayItsAverage at best. Granted, a series as acclaimed and ground-breaking as ''Thief'' was a ToughActToFollow, not the least because its creators were [[Creator/LookingGlassStudios one of the most innovative developers of the 1990s]], and yet the reboot still messed up a lot of things in ways it could have avoided. In something of a subversion, the massive flaws of the reboot ''haven't'' substantially hurt the reputation of the old games for newcomers, and many have gone back and discovered them thanks to it. It's currently dubious whether there'll be any future sequels, though (unlike with ''Tomb Raider'', ''Hitman'' or ''Deus Ex'').

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* Many fans of the ''Franchise/ResidentEvil'' ''[[Film/ResidentEvil film series]]'' will take one look at the games, particularly ''VideoGame/ResidentEvil3'' where there is quite the resemblance between the two characters, and mistake Jill for Alice. Needless to say making this mistake or even believing Jill was ''based'' on ''Creator/MillaJovovich'' within earshot of the game's fanbase (to whom you're better off not mentioning the films ''period'') will make them [[FandomBerserkButton go nuclear]].
* ''VideoGame/SonicBoom: Rise of Lyric'', while not as egregious as other examples, has tainted the reputation of [[WesternAnimation/SonicBoom the show]].
** For some people, this game tainted the reputation of the '''entire''' ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'' franchise if ''VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog2006'' didn't do so already.
* [[VideoGame/KidIcarusUprising Dark Pit]]'s and [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening Lucina]]'s controversial status as MovesetClone characters in ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros'' ultimately damaged their overall reputation as characters, particularly in the former case. It gets to where few folks can see either one of them without thinking of their depiction in ''Smash''.
* The popularity of the Cat Mario power-up from ''VideoGame/SuperMario3DWorld'' was damaged by Cat Peach becoming a [=DLC=] character in ''VideoGame/MarioKart8''. This caused backlash from the fanbase as there were now four Peaches (standard Peach, Baby Peach, Pink Gold Peach, and now Cat Peach) in the game's roster, and Cat Peach (as well as Tanooki Mario) was seen as an unnecessary addition to the game over more popular characters who weren't in the game already (such as Bowser Jr., Birdo, or Dry Bones). The later addition of Mario and Peach in Cat Suits to ''VideoGame/SuperMarioMaker'' as Mystery Mushroom characters was met with indifference at best.
* The [[{{VideoGame/Thief2014}} 2014 reboot attempt]] for the ''VideoGame/{{Thief}}'' series has been frequently criticised criticized for being too superficial in its homaging of the original series, mostly ignoring its gameplay and storytelling nuanses nuances and often replacing them with gratuitous, out-of-place edginess. The main story was widely derided for being badly plotted, with some [[IdiotBall very questionable and annoying characterisation]] for many characters, the complete jettisoning of the varied factions that made the series' universe interesting and unique (sans the odd token reference here and there) and an absence of the dry-witted humour humor that was typical for the series alongside its more serious plots. An oft-heard complaint is that the game mechanics and stylistic choices in the reboot seem to shun Thief's previous design sensibilities and prefer to ape the then-recent success of ''VideoGame/{{Dishonored}}'' (itself actually considered more of a ''Thief'' game (in spirit) even by ''Thief'' fans than the official reboot they got). Most damningly, the reboot game suffers the most from lacking level design favourable to the very open-ended style of exploration and objective completion that the original three ''Thief'' games and ''Dishonored'' are well known and loved for. The gameplay instead opts for a very railroaded layout, with very limited options for different possible approaches to each location. Couple all of that with several ridiculous technical issues and bizarre glitches in the worst places possible - particularly in enemy AI and sound propagation, a key part of previous ''Thief'' games - and the reboot does itself almost no favours. Tellingly, the game isn't usually condemned as outright terrible, but even the most forgiving fans and critics predominantly consider it bland and SoOkayItsAverage at best. Granted, a series as acclaimed and ground-breaking as ''Thief'' was a ToughActToFollow, not the least because its creators were [[Creator/LookingGlassStudios one of the most innovative developers of the 1990s]], and yet the reboot still messed up a lot of things in ways it could have avoided. In something of a subversion, the massive flaws of the reboot ''haven't'' substantially hurt the reputation of the old games for newcomers, and many have gone back and discovered them thanks to it. It's currently dubious whether there'll be any future sequels, though (unlike with ''Tomb Raider'', ''Hitman'' or ''Deus Ex'').



* A rare positive example is the effect that the episode "Heart Of Ice" had on the character of Mr. Freeze in ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries''. The episode had given him a tearjerking backstory and a beautifully done characterization that is considered canon by comics and fans, overriding his relatively flat [[Series/{{Batman}} '60s version]].



* ''WesternAnimation/TheAngryBirdsMovie'' seems to be a strange case where making the movie this to [[VideoGame/AngryBirds the popular game series]] seems to be the intent, as any and all new merchandise or media appearances by the birds and pigs typically depicts them as they appear in the movie rather than their iconic [[WaddlingHead limbless designs]].
27th Aug '16 10:42:14 AM HighCrate
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* Although the book series it was based off of was reasonably popular at the time, the ''Literature/{{Dinotopia}}'' miniseries has colored the view of the entire franchise in the minds of many.



* Averted with the TV series of ''Franchise/TheWitcher'', which kicked up [[{{Hatedom}} enough of a shitstorm]] that it was initially feared that it will inextricably paint all further adaptations, including the then-in-development [[VideoGame/TheWitcher video game]]. Luckily, the VG turned out an ''enormous'' success that [[AdaptationDisplacement displaced not only the flawed TV series]], but also [[WeirdAlEffect the book originals as well]]. Also, played straight early on, when it were largely exactly these considerations that canned the ''early'' attempts to adapt the series into a VideoGame in the late 90es.
27th Aug '16 7:48:26 AM erforce
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* ''ComicBook/HowardTheDuck'' fans will always have to deal with the negative reputation the series had from [[Film/HowardTheDuck the film adaptation]]. This got so bad, that [[spoiler: TheStinger to GuardiansOfTheGalaxy]] was a bit divisive. You still have Marvel fans saying that there should never be another film adaptation.

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* ''ComicBook/HowardTheDuck'' fans will always have to deal with the negative reputation the series had from [[Film/HowardTheDuck the film adaptation]]. This got so bad, that [[spoiler: TheStinger to GuardiansOfTheGalaxy]] ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy'']] was a bit divisive. You still have Marvel fans saying that there should never be another film adaptation.
27th Aug '16 2:27:19 AM Anddrix
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* The made-for-TV Joe Oriolo FelixTheCat series tends to be considered this by fans of the Silent Era Felix the Cat, mainly for being the most well known and longest supported incarnation of the character, despite many fans considering the TV cartoons inferior to the Silent cartoons due to their [[LighterAndSofter more childish tone and stories]] and [[LimitedAnimation very cheap animation.]] Joe Oriolo's Felix is also a nice, fun loving guy, but compared to how wild and rascally Felix [[AntiHero was portrayed in]] [[MrViceGuy his original cartoons]], the Oriolo Felix comes off as [[VanillaProtagonist very milquetoast protagonist in contrast]], and thus hardly any different than a standard WesternAnimation/MickeyMouse style character (which is ironic, considering Felix is older than Mickey and was a major influence on the original Mickey Mouse cartoons). Making matters worse is that the Oriolo Felix is rarely the one who drives the plots in his own cartoons, [[TheHeavy which are usually instigated]] by The Professor and Rock Bottom instead. It got to the extent that many of the staff on WesternAnimation/TheTwistedTalesOfFelixTheCat openly voiced their displeasure with the Oriolo Felix and pushed for the show to use the more wild tone of the original cartoons and make Felix as rascally as before, and to also abandon the characters and tone of the TV cartoons, which was met with resistance from then-owner of Felix, Don Oriolo (the son of Joe Oriolo), who caved in their demands in the first season, but also [[ExecutiveMeddling forced them to include certain elements from his dad's Felix, such as the Magic Bag of Tricks]]. And then Don forced a retool on the second season of the show to make it more in line with his dad's Felix cartoons, [[CreatorBacklash a move that did]] ''[[CreatorBacklash not]]'' [[CreatorBacklash sit well with the staff]] and prompted a WriterRevolt with episodes like ''Attack of the Robot Rat'' (a mean-spirited parody of the Joe Oriolo Felix formula) and ''Phoney Felix'' (which is a StealthParody of the shows Retool).
** It bears noting that it [[{{Misblamed}} wasn't Joe Oriolo's fault]] that the series got so heavily watered down. For starters, Trans-Lux, his distributor, [[ExecutiveMeddling gave the orders]] that the made-for-TV Felix cartoons were to be aimed exclusively at kids and that [[TheGoodGuysAlwaysWin Felix always had to defeat Professor and Rock Bottom in each episode]], and the kid aimed direction [[OlderThanTheyThink wasn't anything new to the Felix series either]]--the long running comic books had already gone down the kid friendly fantasy driven direction years before Joe Oriolo inherited the series. And In the late 50's and 60's, TV censors and parent groups were ''very'' strict on what kind of content could or couldn't be included in cartoons. The idea of a kids cartoon with grayer morality and starring an AntiHero cat with vices like drinking and womanizing would have been unthinkable at the time.
26th Aug '16 4:44:59 PM HighCrate
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* ComicBook/LanaLang has played a minor role in the many adaptations of {{Franchise/Superman}}, including ''Film/SupermanIII'' and ''WesternAnimation/SupermanTheAnimatedSeries'', but unfortunately she gets [[TheScrappy immense hate]] for her appearance in ''{{Series/Smallville}}'', where she is infamous for 8 seasons of non-stop RomanticPlotTumour.
26th Aug '16 4:36:54 PM HighCrate
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* While the ''Film/SuperMarioBros'' movie isn't one for the ''Franchise/SuperMarioBros'' franchise as a whole, it is one for movies adapted from video games, and a frequent punchline for jokes relating to the often lacking quality/faithfulness thereof. As far as the game series went, it merely inflicted the "Mario Mario and Luigi Mario" idea on some fans, much to the [[FandomBerserkButton chagrin of other fans]] for a while.
26th Aug '16 4:35:18 PM HighCrate
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* Because of the TV series noted below, and because of the [[Film/BatmanForever Schumacher]] [[Film/BatmanAndRobin films]], ComicBook/{{Robin}} (Batman's sidekick and partner) is seen as more of a joke than anything outside of comic book audiences, and even TheScrappy among the SeriousBusiness fans, and the idea of him appearing on film again is generally derived (notably, both Creator/ChristianBale and Creator/ChristopherNolan refused to let Robin appear in Film/TheDarkKnightTrilogy, as they both fell into the view that Robin was lame). This, even though in the comics Robin has been modernized as much as the rest of the Batman mythos, and has long since grown out of being just his sidekick as he became leader of the ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitans'' and TookALevelInBadass and donned the new identity of Nightwing. For a brief period Dick Grayson even led the Justice League! What's baffling is when some fans will admit that, even though he became cool in the comics and cartoons now, he 'just wouldn't work in film', without really any answer as to ''why'' he wouldn't; there's also some that think he would need to be made really gritty and violent, in order to justify why Batman would train a teen, which ignores [[MoralityPet the point of Robin in the mythos]]. A good reason for this is that any adaptation of the origin stories for three (Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, Damian Wayne) of the major Robins have to be adoption stories, which puts adapters and the studio in a tricky situation. They want Batman, regardless of tone beyond that, to be relentless $150 million+ tent-pole action (The Dark Knight Rises was $250 million) but, regardless of tone, to introduce a kid, you have to be working with simpler, cheaper, action and shorter time frames than said tent-pole stuff mandates. So they age him up strictly to not have to worry about visible aging, in spite of the fact that the youthful contrast is what Robin is there for, especially in the origin. ''Film/TheDarkKnightRises'' technically did something that was better on paper (remove the adoption stuff entirely, composite three Robins (Dick, Jason and Tim) together, tying him into cops because Dick Grayson was a cop at one point and that franchise was 60-70% a police corruption drama, even as, in practice, nothing interesting was left), than how ''BatmanForever' handled it, with Batman [[ArtisticLicenseLaw adopting someone of college age with little to no justification.]]
26th Aug '16 4:32:47 PM HighCrate
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* The original, Sam Raimi-directed ''Film/SpiderManTrilogy'' films with Tobey Maguire have became so iconic with the character that a good part of the reason for the Mark Webb [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderMan reboot]] being so contentious is for rebooting it. Notably, changes made to make it ''closer'' to the source material are often [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks criticized]] simply for not being like the previous films. In a more direct manner, the depiction of Mary Jane Watson has shaped the [[DamselScrappy general perception of her]], and combined with the way Gwen Stacy [[AdaptationalBadass is depicted in the reboot]], has lead to a significant hamper to MJ's popularity among fans of the franchise who don't read the comics (for reference, MJ is typically a HeroicBystander in the comics, while Gwen was a more traditional DistressedDamsel love interest in the comics).
** Completely averted as of Spider-Man's Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse [[Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar debut]]. This version of Spider-Man has been widely considered to be the best yet, even with his limited screentime.
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