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* ''ComicBook/{{Batman}}'': Batman's status as being one of the purest, most compassionate superheroes of the DC universe and one of its moral centers. A lot of heroes ([[DependingOnTheWriter and writers]]) often tend to exaggerate and gush on and on about how he's apparently one of the most heroic, purest, and incorruptible superheroes to ever exist...despite the fact that even at his campiest and goofiest, he has quite a few moments of {{jerkass}}ery under his belt and that he tends to act like an asshole towards everyone, even his closest allies (which often leads to him getting berated by said allies). Or all the times when one of his plans ends up backfiring on him and almost kills his allies because he refused to trust them out of stubbornness and paranoia (''ComicBook/JLATowerOfBabel'' or [[ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis Brother Eye]], for example). Or the way he treated the rest of the Bat-family (especially Stephanie Brown and Cassandra Cain) in the past. Or that he almost never listens to what his friends tell him, even when they try to warn him about something, because he tends to think that he's always right about everything and that he knows better than everyone else (like that time when he got tricked by Barbatos into releasing him from the Dark Multiverse and he didn't listen to any of his teammates when they tried to warn him that what he was doing was a horrible idea).

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* ''ComicBook/{{Batman}}'': Batman's [[Characters/BatmanBruceWayne Batman's]] status as being one of the purest, most compassionate superheroes of the DC universe and one of its moral centers. A lot of heroes ([[DependingOnTheWriter and writers]]) often tend to exaggerate and gush on and on about how he's apparently one of the most heroic, purest, and incorruptible superheroes to ever exist...despite the fact that even at his campiest and goofiest, he has quite a few moments of {{jerkass}}ery under his belt and that he tends to act like an asshole towards everyone, even his closest allies (which often leads to him getting berated by said allies). Or all the times when one of his plans ends up backfiring on him and almost kills his allies because he refused to trust them out of stubbornness and paranoia (''ComicBook/JLATowerOfBabel'' or [[ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis Brother Eye]], for example). Or the way he treated the rest of the Bat-family (especially Stephanie Brown and Cassandra Cain) in the past. Or that he almost never listens to what his friends tell him, even when they try to warn him about something, because he tends to think that he's always right about everything and that he knows better than everyone else (like that time when he got tricked by Barbatos into releasing him from the Dark Multiverse and he didn't listen to any of his teammates when they tried to warn him that what he was doing was a horrible idea).



* ''ComicBook/WonderWoman'': Wonder Woman comes off as this DependingOnTheWriter. She was [[ComicBook/WonderWoman1942 originally intended]] to be [[WomenAreWiser the most compassionate and understanding member]] of the ComicBook/JusticeLeagueOfAmerica, and for a fairly long time, she lived up to it. Then ''ComicBook/KingdomCome'' happened. In that story, Diana was depicted as having become more violent and bitter as a result of her struggles, taking up a sword and being much more willing to kill enemies. This was intended to just be an element of the BadFuture, but ''Kingdom Come'' ended up being [[MainstreamObscurity a lot of readers' first real impression of Wonder Woman]] and the "warrior" imagery caught on. Ever since then, writers have tried to portray both interpretations at the same time with predictably confusing and {{Narm}}ful results; narration praising Wonder Woman for her kind and peaceful ways will be juxtaposed with her breaking necks or stabbing bad guys.

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* ''ComicBook/WonderWoman'': [[Characters/WonderWomanTheCharacter Wonder Woman Woman]] comes off as this DependingOnTheWriter. She was [[ComicBook/WonderWoman1942 originally intended]] to be [[WomenAreWiser the most compassionate and understanding member]] of the ComicBook/JusticeLeagueOfAmerica, and for a fairly long time, she lived up to it. Then ''ComicBook/KingdomCome'' happened. In that story, Diana was depicted as having become more violent and bitter as a result of her struggles, taking up a sword and being much more willing to kill enemies. This was intended to just be an element of the BadFuture, but ''Kingdom Come'' ended up being [[MainstreamObscurity a lot of readers' first real impression of Wonder Woman]] and the "warrior" imagery caught on. Ever since then, writers have tried to portray both interpretations at the same time with predictably confusing and {{Narm}}ful results; narration praising Wonder Woman for her kind and peaceful ways will be juxtaposed with her breaking necks or stabbing bad guys.



* ''WesternAnimation/HarleyQuinn2019'': Harley is told by Ivy, her crew (and even Batgirl) that despite being a supervillain, she's a good person. Harley is certainly a better person than many of the villains she faces but her actions, and their consequences, are pretty awful. She's selfish, foolhardy, volatile, and most of her decisions have directly or indirectly killed countless innocent people. Quinn even invades [[spoiler: earth with an army of parademons, with the intent of going on a mass killing spree, just to distract from her feelings for Poison Ivy.]] Then again, Ivy is obviously biased because she was treated like shit by people and Harley is her OnlyFriend. As for the others, Batgirl is a NaiveNewcomer who has some HorribleJudgeOfCharacter, as seen when she can't find any reason to doubt Harley and Ivy will take Riddler to Arkham instead of taking him prisoner for their self-benefit.

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* ''WesternAnimation/HarleyQuinn2019'': [[Characters/HarleyQuinn2019TheCharacter Harley Quinn]] is told by Ivy, her crew (and even Batgirl) that despite being a supervillain, she's a good person. Harley is certainly a better person than many of the villains she faces but her actions, and their consequences, are pretty awful. She's selfish, foolhardy, volatile, and most of her decisions have directly or indirectly killed countless innocent people. Quinn even invades [[spoiler: earth with an army of parademons, with the intent of going on a mass killing spree, just to distract from her feelings for Poison Ivy.]] Then again, Ivy is obviously biased because she was treated like shit by people and Harley is her OnlyFriend. As for the others, Batgirl is a NaiveNewcomer who has some HorribleJudgeOfCharacter, as seen when she can't find any reason to doubt Harley and Ivy will take Riddler to Arkham instead of taking him prisoner for their self-benefit.
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* ''VideoGame/Fallout3'': Roy Phillips has Good Karma (sharing the rank with characters like James, whose end goal is to provide the entire Capital Wasteland with clean drinking water) and Three Dog sides with him over the radio, so you'd think he'd turn out to be a sympathetic character whose quest to enter Tenpenny Tower is a righteous one. In practice, Roy is a monstrous bigot who, even if a peaceful solution is found to his quest, massacres everyone in Tenpenny Tower for no reason, approves of Burke's plan to nuke Megaton, and threatens to kill the Lone Wanderer too if they annoy him too much. As said before, his Good Karma ranking means that even if you discover the corpses in his area or kill him after he's already massacred the residents, the game treats it as a bad thing[[note]]The only way you can kill him without a Karma loss is to kite nearby Feral Ghouls to his location; he'll turn hostile without provocation, allowing the player to kill him without the penalty[[/note]].
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** The ''Arrows of the Queen'' trilogy has a couple of characters who are said to be good but in practice... It may be EarlyInstallmentWeirdness and a result of these being the first books Lackey ever published. The main character, Talia, is a Holderkin, from a subculture that's ''incredibly'' repressive towards women and has left her traumatized and [[DoesNotLikeMen afraid of men]], but while discussing her background other Heralds say "There is no true way!" rather than wrestling with the fact that a part of Valdemar is this far from the ideals it champions.
*** Talia's Companion Rolan is said to have an [[InformedAttribute exceptionally close bond with her]] but compared to other Companions he's ''incredibly'' callous and distant. Rolan can't or doesn't usually speak in words to her, but he has other ways to communicate - he will come to Talia's rescue when she's physically at risk and speak through her to advise the Queen but he doesn't so much as nuzzle her when she panics as a child. As Talia's control of her powers slips and her self-esteem is destroyed he gives her no reassurance; while addressing a plague he helps her keep control in a way that she interprets as [[ToughLove impatient with her failings]], and he remains very remote while Kris slowly and painfully teaches her. Combined with forcing Talia to be privy to so much SexByProxy - which she discusses within his hearing as something that she doesn't like - he doesn't seem to care all that much about her emotional well-being. As a Monarch's Own Companion he has had other Heralds and appears in numerous books set before Arrows, and he usually appears to be warmer and more kind in them, even to people he hasn't Chosen!
*** Talia's LoveInterest Dirk is talked up in ''Arrow's Flight'' as being quite a bit like her, a very kindly person despite tremendous trials. He actually gets to be a character in ''Arrow's Fall'' and... he's incredibly self absorbed. He missed the memo that Heralds are a free-love subculture and so Talia and his best friend Kris being FriendsWithBenefits gets him to wallowing in self pity, alternating between IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy and seething entitlement, avoiding both of them and getting blackout drunk every day. After Talia survives a terrible ordeal (Kris dying in her arms, and then she was tortured extensively and sexually assaulted) and Dirk helps save her, they talk in private, with a Healer telling Dirk to watch her because her health is so delicate. But when Talia starts crying about Kris, Dirk just becomes jealous of his dead friend and tries to ''walk out to brood''. When they finally get together Talia actually says that ''his'' experience of a bad breakup with a woman who just wanted to hurt him, several years ago, was ''worse'' than what she'd just survived because ''he'' suffered a "rape of the soul"... and Dirk doesn't contest this!
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** Their government is run by people who were literally [[TheChosenMany selected by angels]] and supposedly are always good, but can be very callous. Vanyel of the ''Literature/LastHeraldMageTrilogy'' is said to be exceptional even by Herald standards, someone who can't look away from suffering, but in ''Magic's Price'' he decides not to allow Karsite refugees to settle in Valdemar if they have the Mage-Gift, and sets up an anti-mage system designed to drive mages mad and thinks he could ''almost'' feel sorry for people caught in it. With how pragmatism is a major AuthorAppeal for Creator/MercedesLackey, her characters (not just in this setting) frequently decide that many people don't "deserve" to be helped with their problems and it's foolishly idealistic to believe otherwise unless there's EnlightenedSelfInterest involved.

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* ComicBook/{{Batman}}'s status as being one of the purest, most compassionate superheroes of the DC universe and one of its moral centers. A lot of heroes ([[DependingOnTheWriter and writers]]) often tend to exaggerate and gush on and on about how he's apparently one of the most heroic, purest, and incorruptible superheroes to ever exist...despite the fact that even at his campiest and goofiest, he has quite a few moments of {{jerkass}}ery under his belt and that he tends to act like an asshole towards everyone, even his closest allies (which often leads to him getting berated by said allies). Or all the times when one of his plans ends up backfiring on him and almost kills his allies because he refused to trust them out of stubbornness and paranoia (''ComicBook/JusticeLeagueOfAmericaTowerOfBabel'' or [[ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis Brother Eye]], for example). Or the way he treated the rest of the Bat-family (especially Stephanie Brown and Cassandra Cain) in the past. Or that he almost never listens to what his friends tell him, even when they try to warn him about something, because he tends to think that he's always right about everything and that he knows better than everyone else (like that time when he got tricked by Barbatos into releasing him from the Dark Multiverse and he didn’t listen to any of his teammates when they tried to warn him that what he was doing was a horrible idea).
* ComicBook/CaptainAmerica: Captain America tends to get the most praise for being the most righteous, noble, and moral superhero in Marvel's superhero community from other heroes, the writers, and even some supervillains. And a lot of times, he can be pretty diplomatic, kind, and reasonable when dealing with other heroes. However, despite being praised as TheParagon, there are many instances, particularly in CrisisCrossover or some hero teamup stories where Steve Rogers just doesn't live up to the high praise he gets, whether it's throwing the first punch and assaulting Wolverine in ''ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen'' or shield-bashing Deadpool and attacking him in ''Despicable Deadpool'' when Wade was already at his lowest over being fooled by Hydra Cap. And even in some of his own stories, some of his own supporting characters can feel the brunt of Cap acting less than kind. In ''Cold War'', he outright abandons Sharon and Misty Knight after his team was injured in an explosion because he wanted to find his son as soon as possible and when Sam Wilson gets in his way and tries to tell Steve that Sharon and Misty need help, Cap punches Sam and initiates a fight with him. While Steve does end up feeling really bad and apologizes for his behavior after Sam defeats him, the sheer number of times Captain America has happily grabbed the ConflictBall, TookALevelInJerkass, and/or punched another hero in the face with little or no provocation can come off as a very glaring contrast to the amount of CharacterShilling he gets over his moral character.
* In ''Comicbook/TheSandman1989'', the Furies are not to be referred as such, it's better to call them the Kindly Ones: a [[TheHecateSisters Hecate Trio]] of witches who swore to get revenge on Orpheus for making them cry, which they achieved by having him killed by his father. However, this trope is clearly invoked ironically, as everyone is terrified of them. It's also historically accurate.
* ComicBook/WonderWoman comes off as this DependingOnTheWriter. She was [[ComicBook/WonderWoman1942 originally intended]] to be [[WomenAreWiser the most compassionate and understanding member]] of the ComicBook/JusticeLeagueOfAmerica, and for a fairly long time, she lived up to it. Then ''ComicBook/KingdomCome'' happened. In that story, Diana was depicted as having become more violent and bitter as a result of her struggles, taking up a sword and being much more willing to kill enemies. This was intended to just be an element of the BadFuture, but ''Kingdom Come'' ended up being [[MainstreamObscurity a lot of readers' first real impression of Wonder Woman]] and the "warrior" imagery caught on. Ever since then, writers have tried to portray both interpretations at the same time with predictably confusing and {{Narm}}ful results; narration praising Wonder Woman for her kind and peaceful ways will be juxtaposed with her breaking necks or stabbing bad guys.

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\n* ComicBook/{{Batman}}'s ''ComicBook/{{Batman}}'': Batman's status as being one of the purest, most compassionate superheroes of the DC universe and one of its moral centers. A lot of heroes ([[DependingOnTheWriter and writers]]) often tend to exaggerate and gush on and on about how he's apparently one of the most heroic, purest, and incorruptible superheroes to ever exist...despite the fact that even at his campiest and goofiest, he has quite a few moments of {{jerkass}}ery under his belt and that he tends to act like an asshole towards everyone, even his closest allies (which often leads to him getting berated by said allies). Or all the times when one of his plans ends up backfiring on him and almost kills his allies because he refused to trust them out of stubbornness and paranoia (''ComicBook/JusticeLeagueOfAmericaTowerOfBabel'' (''ComicBook/JLATowerOfBabel'' or [[ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis Brother Eye]], for example). Or the way he treated the rest of the Bat-family (especially Stephanie Brown and Cassandra Cain) in the past. Or that he almost never listens to what his friends tell him, even when they try to warn him about something, because he tends to think that he's always right about everything and that he knows better than everyone else (like that time when he got tricked by Barbatos into releasing him from the Dark Multiverse and he didn’t listen to any of his teammates when they tried to warn him that what he was doing was a horrible idea).
* ComicBook/CaptainAmerica: ''ComicBook/CaptainAmerica'': Captain America tends to get the most praise for being the most righteous, noble, and moral superhero in Marvel's superhero community from other heroes, the writers, and even some supervillains. And a lot of times, he can be pretty diplomatic, kind, and reasonable when dealing with other heroes. However, despite being praised as TheParagon, there are many instances, particularly in CrisisCrossover or some hero teamup stories where Steve Rogers just doesn't live up to the high praise he gets, whether it's throwing the first punch and assaulting Wolverine in ''ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen'' or shield-bashing Deadpool and attacking him in ''Despicable Deadpool'' when Wade was already at his lowest over being fooled by Hydra Cap. And even in some of his own stories, some of his own supporting characters can feel the brunt of Cap acting less than kind. In ''Cold War'', he outright abandons Sharon and Misty Knight after his team was injured in an explosion because he wanted to find his son as soon as possible and when Sam Wilson gets in his way and tries to tell Steve that Sharon and Misty need help, Cap punches Sam and initiates a fight with him. While Steve does end up feeling really bad and apologizes for his behavior after Sam defeats him, the sheer number of times Captain America has happily grabbed the ConflictBall, TookALevelInJerkass, and/or punched another hero in the face with little or no provocation can come off as a very glaring contrast to the amount of CharacterShilling he gets over his moral character.
* In ''Comicbook/TheSandman1989'', the ''ComicBook/TheSandman1989'': The Furies are not to be referred as such, it's better to call them the Kindly Ones: a [[TheHecateSisters Hecate Trio]] of witches who swore to get revenge on Orpheus for making them cry, which they achieved by having him killed by his father. However, this trope is clearly invoked ironically, as everyone is terrified of them. It's also historically accurate.
* ComicBook/WonderWoman ''ComicBook/WonderWoman'': Wonder Woman comes off as this DependingOnTheWriter. She was [[ComicBook/WonderWoman1942 originally intended]] to be [[WomenAreWiser the most compassionate and understanding member]] of the ComicBook/JusticeLeagueOfAmerica, and for a fairly long time, she lived up to it. Then ''ComicBook/KingdomCome'' happened. In that story, Diana was depicted as having become more violent and bitter as a result of her struggles, taking up a sword and being much more willing to kill enemies. This was intended to just be an element of the BadFuture, but ''Kingdom Come'' ended up being [[MainstreamObscurity a lot of readers' first real impression of Wonder Woman]] and the "warrior" imagery caught on. Ever since then, writers have tried to portray both interpretations at the same time with predictably confusing and {{Narm}}ful results; narration praising Wonder Woman for her kind and peaceful ways will be juxtaposed with her breaking necks or stabbing bad guys.

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* ComicBook/{{Batman}}'s status as being one of the purest, most compassionate superheroes of the DC universe and one of its moral centers. A lot of heroes ([[DependingOnTheWriter and writers]]) often tend to exaggerate and gush on and on about how he's apparently one of the most heroic, purest, and incorruptible superheroes to ever exist...despite the fact that even at his campiest and goofiest, he has quite a few moments of {{jerkass}}ery under his belt and that he tends to act like an asshole towards everyone, even his closest allies (which often leads to him getting berated by said allies). Or all the times when one of his plans ends up backfiring on him and almost kills his allies because he refused to trust them out of stubbornness and paranoia (''ComicBook/JusticeLeagueOfAmericaTowerOfBabel'' or [[ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis Brother Eye]], for example). Or the way he treated the rest of the Bat-family (especially Stephanie Brown and Cassandra Cain) in the past. Or that he almost never listens to what his friends tell him, even when they try to warn him about something, because he tends to think that he's always right about everything and that he knows better than everyone else (like that time when he got tricked by Barbatos into releasing him from the Dark Multiverse and he didn’t listen to any of his teammates when they tried to warn him that what he was doing was a horrible idea).
* ComicBook/CaptainAmerica: Captain America tends to get the most praise for being the most righteous, noble, and moral superhero in Marvel's superhero community from other heroes, the writers, and even some supervillains. And a lot of times, he can be pretty diplomatic, kind, and reasonable when dealing with other heroes. However, despite being praised as TheParagon, there are many instances, particularly in CrisisCrossover or some hero teamup stories where Steve Rogers just doesn't live up to the high praise he gets, whether it's throwing the first punch and assaulting Wolverine in ''ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen'' or shield-bashing Deadpool and attacking him in ''Despicable Deadpool'' when Wade was already at his lowest over being fooled by Hydra Cap. And even in some of his own stories, some of his own supporting characters can feel the brunt of Cap acting less than kind. In ''Cold War'', he outright abandons Sharon and Misty Knight after his team was injured in an explosion because he wanted to find his son as soon as possible and when Sam Wilson gets in his way and tries to tell Steve that Sharon and Misty need help, Cap punches Sam and initiates a fight with him. While Steve does end up feeling really bad and apologizes for his behavior after Sam defeats him, the sheer number of times Captain America has happily grabbed the ConflictBall, TookALevelInJerkass, and/or punched another hero in the face with little or no provocation can come off as a very glaring contrast to the amount of CharacterShilling he gets over his moral character.



* ComicBook/{{Batman}}'s status as being one of the purest, most compassionate superheroes of the DC universe and one of its moral centers. A lot of heroes ([[DependingOnTheWriter and writers]]) often tend to exaggerate and gush on and on about how he's apparently one of the most heroic, purest, and incorruptible superheroes to ever exist...despite the fact that even at his campiest and goofiest, he has quite a few moments of {{jerkass}}ery under his belt and that he tends to act like an asshole towards everyone, even his closest allies (which often leads to him getting berated by said allies). Or all the times when one of his plans ends up backfiring on him and almost kills his allies because he refused to trust them out of stubbornness and paranoia (''ComicBook/JusticeLeagueOfAmericaTowerOfBabel'' or [[ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis Brother Eye]], for example). Or the way he treated the rest of the Bat-family (especially Stephanie Brown and Cassandra Cain) in the past. Or that he almost never listens to what his friends tell him, even when they try to warn him about something, because he tends to think that he's always right about everything and that he knows better than everyone else (like that time when he got tricked by Barbatos into releasing him from the Dark Multiverse and he didn’t listen to any of his teammates when they tried to warn him that what he was doing was a horrible idea).
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* Myth/ClassicalMythology: Zeus is frequently praised by a variety of writers for his wisdom, fairness, and good judgment, to the point that in one of Creator/{{Plato}}'s dialogues, Euthyphro claims that Zeus's behaviour defines the very concept of justice. This is despite the fact that about half of the problems in the myths are caused by Zeus behaving cruelly, recklessly, or both. [[JustifiedTrope Justified]], as the Greeks believed that Zeus actually existed and could punish them in real life if they made him angry, so questioning whether he really deserved all the praise he got was seen as a very bad idea.

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* Myth/ClassicalMythology: Zeus is frequently praised by a variety of writers for his wisdom, fairness, and good judgment, to the point that in one of Creator/{{Plato}}'s dialogues, Euthyphro claims that Zeus's behaviour defines the very concept of justice. This is despite the fact that about half of the problems in the myths are caused by Zeus behaving cruelly, recklessly, or both. [[JustifiedTrope Justified]], as the Greeks believed that Zeus actually existed and could punish them in real life if they made him angry, so questioning whether he really deserved all the praise he got was seen as a very bad idea. Additionally, the Greek perception of Zeus was a very different thing than the portrayal of Zeus in their myths, to the point that some philosophers lamented this.
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* The cast page for ''Webcomic/VeganArtbook'' lauds Brie/[[SuddenNameChange Plausibell]] and Legua for their gentleness and compassion (and, in Brie/Plausibell's case, patience). In practice, however, the behavior of both ranges from "smugly dogmatic" (they tend to rant to the omnivores and try to get them to go vegan while talking about how that allegedly makes them superior to omnivores) to "downright violent" (for instance, Legua once [[GroinAttack kicks Shawn in the balls). Even their [[TakeOurWordForIt supposed]] TenderTears (over the fact that [[FeelingOppressedByTheirExistence the whole world hasn't gone vegan yet]]) go nowhere towards supporting their stated characterization, coming across as {{Wangst}} at best and CrocodileTears at worst.

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* The cast page for ''Webcomic/VeganArtbook'' lauds Brie/[[SuddenNameChange Plausibell]] and Legua for their gentleness and compassion (and, in Brie/Plausibell's case, patience). In practice, however, the behavior of both ranges from "smugly dogmatic" (they tend to rant to the omnivores and try to get them to go vegan while talking about how that allegedly makes them superior to omnivores) to "downright violent" (for instance, Legua once [[GroinAttack kicks Shawn in the balls).balls]]). Even their [[TakeOurWordForIt supposed]] TenderTears (over the fact that [[FeelingOppressedByTheirExistence the whole world hasn't gone vegan yet]]) go nowhere towards supporting their stated characterization, coming across as {{Wangst}} at best and CrocodileTears at worst.
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* The cast page for ''Webcomic/VeganArtbook'' lauds Brie/[[SuddenNameChange Plausibell]] and Legua for their gentleness and compassion (and, in Brie/Plausibell's case, patience). In practice, however, the behavior of both ranges from "smugly dogmatic" to "downright violent." Even their [[TakeOurWordForIt supposed]] TenderTears (over the fact that [[FeelingOppressedByTheirExistence the whole world hasn't gone vegan yet]]) go [[CrocodileTears nowhere]] towards supporting their stated characterization.

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* The cast page for ''Webcomic/VeganArtbook'' lauds Brie/[[SuddenNameChange Plausibell]] and Legua for their gentleness and compassion (and, in Brie/Plausibell's case, patience). In practice, however, the behavior of both ranges from "smugly dogmatic" (they tend to rant to the omnivores and try to get them to go vegan while talking about how that allegedly makes them superior to omnivores) to "downright violent." violent" (for instance, Legua once [[GroinAttack kicks Shawn in the balls). Even their [[TakeOurWordForIt supposed]] TenderTears (over the fact that [[FeelingOppressedByTheirExistence the whole world hasn't gone vegan yet]]) go [[CrocodileTears nowhere]] nowhere towards supporting their stated characterization.characterization, coming across as {{Wangst}} at best and CrocodileTears at worst.
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* In Film/TheInventionOfLying, Mark refers to Anna as the kindest person he knows and his best friend, despite her being openly shallow and lukewarm towards him, and not showing any warmth until the third act of the film.

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* In Film/TheInventionOfLying, ''Film/TheInventionOfLying'', Mark refers to Anna as the kindest person he knows and his best friend, despite her being openly shallow and lukewarm towards him, and not showing any warmth until the third act of the film.



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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': Rhaegar Targaryen's noble qualities of TheWisePrince are only ever told to the audience by people like Barristan Selmy and Jorah Mormont. While he never abducted and raped Lyanna Stark as Robert suspected, he still endangered the realm for his own personal desires, as well as humiliating Elia and endangering her children by annulling his marriage to her. Also, in the end, he still fought ''for'' his mad father, not against him.

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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': Rhaegar Targaryen's noble qualities of TheWisePrince are only ever told to the audience by people like Barristan Selmy and Jorah Mormont. While he never abducted and raped Lyanna Stark as Robert suspected, he still endangered the realm for his own personal desires, as well as humiliating Elia and endangering her children by annulling his marriage to her. Also, in the end, he still fought ''for'' his mad father, not against him.
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* ''WebAnimation/BattleForDreamIsland'': Leafy frequently describes herself as the nicest contestant on the show, and several levels above "reality-ending nice", and puts every other contestant besides Bubble (including her alleged friends) far below the "mean" level. In addition, Leafy is frequently shown to be selfish and controlling, and responds aggressively to any perceived slights, which is acknowledged by Firey at one point.
-->'''Leafy''': I do too have friends!
-->'''Firey''': Name one.
-->'''Leafy''': Well, there's-
-->'''Firey''': Name ONE that you've never gotten incredibly angry at.
-->'''Leafy''': That's not fair, cause then there isn't even any of them!
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* Myth/ClassicalMythology: Zeus is frequently praised by a variety of writers for his wisdom, fairness, and good judgment, to the point that in one of Creator/{{Plato}}'s dialogues, Euthyphro claims that Zeus's behaviour defines the very concept of justice. This is despite the fact that about half of the problems in the myths are caused by Zeus behaving cruelly, recklessly, or both. {{Justified}}, as the Greeks believed that Zeus actually existed and could punish them in real life if they made him angry, so questioning whether he really deserved all the praise he got was seen as a very bad idea.

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* Myth/ClassicalMythology: Zeus is frequently praised by a variety of writers for his wisdom, fairness, and good judgment, to the point that in one of Creator/{{Plato}}'s dialogues, Euthyphro claims that Zeus's behaviour defines the very concept of justice. This is despite the fact that about half of the problems in the myths are caused by Zeus behaving cruelly, recklessly, or both. {{Justified}}, [[JustifiedTrope Justified]], as the Greeks believed that Zeus actually existed and could punish them in real life if they made him angry, so questioning whether he really deserved all the praise he got was seen as a very bad idea.
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On the downside of things, characters believing that the character is nice will appear to be [[StupidGood too naive]], especially if the rude character has absolutely no redeeming qualities. Should the character be [[WhatTheHellHero called out]] for his rudeness? Shouldn't the rude character apologize for his abrasive behavior? In a strange sense, however, the character who was taken aback of their rudeness will find out that he does have a nice side. Of course, [[HiddenHeartOfGold that's only between those two.]]

A form of ShowDontTell. This can be a way to best describe a JerkWithAHeartOfGold, a character with a SugarAndIcePersonality, a GoodIsNotNice character, or other characters who can be socially unapproachable at times. Often a NaiveNewcomer will become confused as to why people keep calling this {{Jerkass}} teammate "nice". This can be shown how the character is a JerkSue if the other characters ignore his/her mean qualities. Compare VillainWithGoodPublicity for another meaning of "informed kindness". Compare DesignatedHero if the character is shilled as a heroic but his actions are anything but.

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On the downside of things, characters believing that the character is nice will appear to be [[StupidGood too naive]], especially if the rude character has absolutely no redeeming qualities. Should the character be [[WhatTheHellHero called out]] for his rudeness? Shouldn't the rude character apologize for his abrasive behavior? In a strange sense, however, the character who was taken aback of by their rudeness will find out that he does have a nice side. Of course, [[HiddenHeartOfGold that's only between those two.]]

A form of ShowDontTell. This can be a way to best describe a JerkWithAHeartOfGold, a character with a SugarAndIcePersonality, a GoodIsNotNice character, or other characters who can be socially unapproachable at times. Often a NaiveNewcomer will become confused as to why people keep calling this {{Jerkass}} teammate "nice". This can be shown how the character is a JerkSue if the other characters ignore his/her mean qualities. Compare VillainWithGoodPublicity for another meaning of "informed kindness". Compare DesignatedHero if the character is shilled as a heroic but his actions are anything but.



* Advertising/SegataSanshiro is described in-universe as being a "great hero", but this is a little hard to believe considering the fact that all he does is beat anyone who doesn't happen to play Sega Saturn senseless. It's better shown in ''VideoGame/ProjectXZone2'' where he is a good friend (and sometimes even patron) of the various Sega characters and encourages those who are unfamiliar with him to pursue whatever path they choose with the utmost of seriousness.

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* Advertising/SegataSanshiro is described in-universe as being a "great hero", but this is a little hard to believe considering the fact that all he does is beat anyone who doesn't happen to play Sega Saturn senseless. It's better shown in ''VideoGame/ProjectXZone2'' where he is a good friend (and sometimes even patron) of the various Sega characters and encourages those who are unfamiliar with him to pursue whatever path they choose with the utmost of seriousness.



* ComicBook/WonderWoman comes off as this DependingOnTheWriter. She was [[ComicBook/WonderWoman1942 originally intended]] to be [[WomenAreWiser the most compassionate and understanding member]] of the ComicBook/JusticeLeagueOfAmerica, and for a fairly long time she lived up to it. Then ''ComicBook/KingdomCome'' happened. In that story, Diana was depicted as having become more violent and bitter as a result of her struggles, taking up a sword and being much more willing to kill enemies. This was intended to just be an element of the BadFuture, but ''Kingdom Come'' ended up being [[MainstreamObscurity a lot of readers' first real impression of Wonder Woman]] and the "warrior" imagery caught on. Ever since than, writers have tried to portray both interpretations at the same time with predictably confusing and {{Narm}}ful results; narration praising Wonder Woman for her kind and peaceful ways will be juxtaposed with her breaking necks or stabbing bad guys.
* ComicBook/{{Batman}}'s status as being one of the purest, most compassionate superheroes of the DC universe and one of its moral centers. A lot of heroes ([[DependingOnTheWriter and writers]]) often tend to exaggerate and gush on and on about how he's apparently one of the most heroic, purest and incorruptible superheroes to ever exist...despite the fact that even at his campiest and goofiest, he has quite a few moments of {{jerkass}}ery under his belt and that he tends to act like an asshole towards everyone, even his closest allies (which often leads to him getting berated by said allies). Or all the times when one of his plans ends up backfiring on him and almost kills his allies because he refused to trust them out of stubbornness and paranoia (''ComicBook/JusticeLeagueOfAmericaTowerOfBabel'' or [[ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis Brother Eye]], for example). Or the way he treated the rest of the Bat-family (especially Stephanie Brown and Cassandra Cain) in the past. Or that he almost never listens to what his friends tell him, even when they try to warn him about something, because he tends to think that he's always right about everything and that he knows better than everyone else (like that time when he got tricked by Barbatos into releasing him from the Dark Multiverse and he didn’t listen to any of his teammates when they tried to warn him that what he was doing was a horrible idea).

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* ComicBook/WonderWoman comes off as this DependingOnTheWriter. She was [[ComicBook/WonderWoman1942 originally intended]] to be [[WomenAreWiser the most compassionate and understanding member]] of the ComicBook/JusticeLeagueOfAmerica, and for a fairly long time time, she lived up to it. Then ''ComicBook/KingdomCome'' happened. In that story, Diana was depicted as having become more violent and bitter as a result of her struggles, taking up a sword and being much more willing to kill enemies. This was intended to just be an element of the BadFuture, but ''Kingdom Come'' ended up being [[MainstreamObscurity a lot of readers' first real impression of Wonder Woman]] and the "warrior" imagery caught on. Ever since than, then, writers have tried to portray both interpretations at the same time with predictably confusing and {{Narm}}ful results; narration praising Wonder Woman for her kind and peaceful ways will be juxtaposed with her breaking necks or stabbing bad guys.
* ComicBook/{{Batman}}'s status as being one of the purest, most compassionate superheroes of the DC universe and one of its moral centers. A lot of heroes ([[DependingOnTheWriter and writers]]) often tend to exaggerate and gush on and on about how he's apparently one of the most heroic, purest purest, and incorruptible superheroes to ever exist...despite the fact that even at his campiest and goofiest, he has quite a few moments of {{jerkass}}ery under his belt and that he tends to act like an asshole towards everyone, even his closest allies (which often leads to him getting berated by said allies). Or all the times when one of his plans ends up backfiring on him and almost kills his allies because he refused to trust them out of stubbornness and paranoia (''ComicBook/JusticeLeagueOfAmericaTowerOfBabel'' or [[ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis Brother Eye]], for example). Or the way he treated the rest of the Bat-family (especially Stephanie Brown and Cassandra Cain) in the past. Or that he almost never listens to what his friends tell him, even when they try to warn him about something, because he tends to think that he's always right about everything and that he knows better than everyone else (like that time when he got tricked by Barbatos into releasing him from the Dark Multiverse and he didn’t listen to any of his teammates when they tried to warn him that what he was doing was a horrible idea).



* Belldandy in ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12422778/1/ This Time Around]]'' is played up by others as being incredibly selfless, all-loving, and generally can do no wrong. They story starts with Belldandy interfering with the multiverse to insure she marries Keiichi in every single universe, even in ones where he's already in a relationship with someone else. Both Urd and Belldandy claim she's "not taking anything away and is only adding" because she'll allow anyone Keiichi's already dating to be his second wife. Clearly, someone missed that what Belldandy's doing is the very definition of selfish: she refuses to ever let someone else have Keiichi to themselves. Even the alternate universe Belldandy is treated as never being in the wrong despite the fact she frequently tries to hook up with Keiichi, even though he's already dating Urd.

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* Belldandy in ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12422778/1/ This Time Around]]'' is played up by others as being incredibly selfless, all-loving, and generally can do no wrong. They The story starts with Belldandy interfering with the multiverse to insure ensure she marries Keiichi in every single universe, even in ones where he's already in a relationship with someone else. Both Urd and Belldandy claim she's "not taking anything away and is only adding" because she'll allow anyone Keiichi's already dating to be his second wife. Clearly, someone missed that what Belldandy's doing is the very definition of selfish: she refuses to ever let someone else have Keiichi to themselves. Even the alternate universe Belldandy is treated as never being in the wrong despite the fact she frequently tries to hook up with Keiichi, even though he's already dating Urd.



* ''Film/TheRoom2003'''s protagonist, Johnny, is ostensibly an emotionally fragile NiceGuy who buys Lisa red roses often enough to be the flower shop lady's favorite customer, and would do anything for Lisa and seems to only want to make her happy. He also pays for Denny's college and tuition without asking for anything in return, and is constantly admired and praised by everyone (except Lisa) wherever he goes. This shilling is kind of undermined by some of the other kinks in his character, such as laughing at domestic abuse that landed someone in the hospital, his covert taping of Lisa to determine whether or not she was having an affair instead of coming out and asking her about it, shoving Lisa onto a couch at one point and later getting into a physical confrontation with Mark in front of all his party guests, and his destructive meltdown at the end where he completely trashes his apartment.

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* ''Film/TheRoom2003'''s protagonist, Johnny, protagonist Johnny is ostensibly an emotionally fragile NiceGuy who buys Lisa red roses often enough to be the flower shop lady's favorite customer, and would do anything for Lisa and seems to only want to make her happy. He also pays for Denny's college and tuition without asking for anything in return, and is constantly admired and praised by everyone (except Lisa) wherever he goes. This shilling is kind of undermined by some of the other kinks in his character, such as laughing at domestic abuse that landed someone in the hospital, his covert taping of Lisa to determine whether or not she was having an affair instead of coming out and asking her about it, shoving Lisa onto a couch at one point and later getting into a physical confrontation with Mark in front of all his party guests, and his destructive meltdown at the end where he completely trashes his apartment.



** Bella is frequently considered a very loving person who, in ''Midnight Sun'', Edward starts to warm to because he thinks "All the other things added up to that whole - kind and self-effacing and unselfish and loving and brave - she was good through and through." Bella, however, spends most of her time mentally complaining about everything, seeing the worst in people (for example, believing the students at Forks have ulterior motives for befriending her, with no evidence), and insisting on having her way whenever she can. This could actually make sense when you consider that Bella is the one person whose mind he cannot read; therefore he takes everything she does at face-value because he doesn't know her thoughts.

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** Bella is frequently considered a very loving person who, in ''Midnight Sun'', Edward starts to warm to because he thinks "All the other things added up to that whole - kind and self-effacing and unselfish and loving and brave - she was good through and through." Bella, however, spends most of her time mentally complaining about everything, seeing the worst in people (for example, believing the students at Forks have ulterior motives for befriending her, with no evidence), and insisting on having her way whenever she can. This could actually make sense when you consider that Bella is the one person whose mind he cannot read; therefore he takes everything she does at face-value face value because he doesn't know her thoughts.



* In ''Literature/HeraldsOfValdemar'', the country of Valdemar is supposedly a tolerant place run on the principle of "there is no true way" [[note]]justice is dispensed there, however; Valdemar was founded based on laws that conveniently match liberal Western norms and [[{{Eagleland}} therefore never need to be updated]][[/note]], but the Valdemarans banned the [[https://www.britannica.com/topic/Busk-festival busk fire]] ritual because it ''could'' have been used to hurt people's feelings, talk a lot about how rapists/homophobes/murderers are ''obviously'' wrong and have no excuse, and have no compunctions about executing the foreigner Tremaine for a crime he committed on his native soil, where it was legal. They never have to shelter refugees who still believe in Karse' tradition of burning people alive, or deal with EqualOpportunityEvil, or interact with countries that are friendly yet uphold truly different beliefs. It would seem that good ''is'' objective, because all the good characters believe exactly the same things [[ForcedIntoEvil or want to]], and their individual cultures and levels of life experience are just window dressing.

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* In ''Literature/HeraldsOfValdemar'', the country of Valdemar is supposedly a tolerant place run on the principle of "there is no true way" [[note]]justice is dispensed there, however; Valdemar was founded based on laws that conveniently match liberal Western norms and [[{{Eagleland}} therefore never need to be updated]][[/note]], but the Valdemarans banned the [[https://www.britannica.com/topic/Busk-festival busk fire]] ritual because it ''could'' have been used to hurt people's feelings, talk a lot about how rapists/homophobes/murderers are ''obviously'' wrong and have no excuse, and have no compunctions about executing the foreigner Tremaine for a crime he committed on his native soil, where it was legal. They never have to shelter refugees who still believe in Karse' Karse's tradition of burning people alive, or deal with EqualOpportunityEvil, or interact with countries that are friendly yet uphold truly different beliefs. It would seem that good ''is'' objective, because all the good characters believe exactly the same things [[ForcedIntoEvil or want to]], and their individual cultures and levels of life experience are just window dressing.



** Prue is said to be a selfless and moral person who spent her teen years being a TeamMom to her sisters. She spends most of the first season forcing her advice on Phoebe, complaining about her job, sniping at Andy and reminding her sisters of everything she's done for them. Prue does eventually mellow out in the second season, and the show starts playing up that her sisters resent her endless nosiness in their personal lives.
** Around the fifth season, Piper tells Phoebe that she doesn't have a mean bone in her body. This is after several episodes of Phoebe blaming Cole for everything that went wrong in her life, completely ignoring her own actions and refusing to take responsibility.
* Hester Crane, mother of Frasier and Niles Crane, is often talked up by Frasier, Niles and Martin as a loving, remarkable woman. But what the audience is shown of her paints her in a much different light. In her appearance on ''Series/{{Cheers}}'', she threatened to kill Diane Chambers if she didn't break up with Frasier and even after apologizing, Hester tried to bribe Sam Malone to take Diane back. Then on ''Series/{{Frasier}}'' after she has passed away, it's revealed that she cheated on Martin in the past and it has been implied that her method of raising Frasier and Niles was ultimately damaging to the both of them. Then there's Frasier's mental manifestation of Hester in "Don Juan in Hell" portraying her as clingy with her son and outright cruel to Frasier's manifestations of his main love interests (Lilith, Diane and Nanny G), implying that even Frasier knew deep down that his mother wasn't the warmest person. Though, it's possible that NeverSpeakIllOfTheDead was in play.

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** Prue is said to be a selfless and moral person who spent her teen years being a TeamMom to her sisters. She spends most of the first season forcing her advice on Phoebe, complaining about her job, sniping at Andy Andy, and reminding her sisters of everything she's done for them. Prue does eventually mellow out in the second season, and the show starts playing up that her sisters resent her endless nosiness in their personal lives.
** Around the fifth season, Piper tells Phoebe that she doesn't have a mean bone in her body. This is after several episodes of Phoebe blaming Cole for everything that went wrong in her life, completely ignoring her own actions actions, and refusing to take responsibility.
* Hester Crane, the late mother of Frasier and Niles Crane, is often talked up by Frasier, Niles Niles, and Martin as a loving, remarkable woman. But what the audience is shown of her paints her in a much different light. In her appearance on ''Series/{{Cheers}}'', she threatened to kill ''kill'' Diane Chambers if she didn't break up with Frasier and even after apologizing, Hester tried to bribe Sam Malone to take Diane back. Then on ''Series/{{Frasier}}'' after she has passed away, it's revealed that she cheated on Martin in the past and it has been implied that her method of raising Frasier and Niles was ultimately damaging to the both of them. Then there's Frasier's mental manifestation of Hester in "Don Juan in Hell" portraying her as clingy with her son and outright cruel to Frasier's manifestations of his main love interests (Lilith, Diane Diane, and Nanny G), implying that even Frasier knew deep down that his mother wasn't the warmest person. Though, Though it's possible that NeverSpeakIllOfTheDead was in play.



* Myth/ClassicalMythology: Zeus is frequently praised by a variety of writers for his wisdom, fairness and good judgment, to the point that in one of Creator/{{Plato}}'s dialogues, Euthyphro claims that Zeus's behaviour defines the very concept of justice. This is despite the fact that about half of the problems in the myths are caused by Zeus behaving cruelly, recklessly, or both. {{Justified}}, as the Greeks believed that Zeus actually existed and could punish them in real life if they made him angry, so questioning whether he really deserved all the praise he got was seen as a very bad idea.

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* Myth/ClassicalMythology: Zeus is frequently praised by a variety of writers for his wisdom, fairness fairness, and good judgment, to the point that in one of Creator/{{Plato}}'s dialogues, Euthyphro claims that Zeus's behaviour defines the very concept of justice. This is despite the fact that about half of the problems in the myths are caused by Zeus behaving cruelly, recklessly, or both. {{Justified}}, as the Greeks believed that Zeus actually existed and could punish them in real life if they made him angry, so questioning whether he really deserved all the praise he got was seen as a very bad idea.



* ''WesternAnimation/TheFairlyOddParents'': The show, including Wanda, attempts to paint Timmy's parents as trying their best to raise him and wanting and knowing what's best for him. But often, especially later in the series, they hardly ever show that and mostly came off as AbusiveParents that are rather apathetic to Timmy's well being, which includes continuously hiring Vicky to be his baby sitter while brushing off the obvious signs of her being evil, as well as making no attempts to hide that they view Timmy as a burden.
* ''WesternAnimation/HarleyQuinn2019'': Harley is told by Ivy, her crew (and even Batgirl) that despite being a supervillain, she's a good person. Harley is certainly a better person than many of the villains she faces but her actions, and their consequences, are pretty awful. She's selfish, foolhardy, volatile and most of her decisions have directly or indirectly killed countless innocent people. Quinn even invades [[spoiler: earth with an army of parademons, with the intent of going on a mass killing spree, just to distract from her feelings for Poison Ivy.]] Then again, Ivy is obviously biased because she was treated like shit by people and Harley is her OnlyFriend. As for the others, Batgirl is a NaiveNewcomer who has some HorribleJudgeOfCharacter, as seen when she can't find any reason to doubt Harley and Ivy will take Riddler to Arkham instead of taking him prisoner for their self-benefit.
* In ''WesternAnimation/TheProudFamily'', Dijonay reunites with her old friend Lacieniga for the first time in years. Dijonay tells her current best friend Penny that Lacieniga is the best person ever, but Lacieniga only proceeds to do nothing but selfishly disrespect Penny. Penny calls Dijonay out on her judgement saying that it's possible her old friend has changed, but Dijonay doesn't see any of it.

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* ''WesternAnimation/TheFairlyOddParents'': The show, including Wanda, attempts to paint Timmy's parents as trying their best to raise him and wanting and knowing what's best for him. But often, especially later in the series, they hardly ever show that and mostly came off as AbusiveParents that are rather apathetic to Timmy's well being, well-being, which includes continuously hiring Vicky [[BabysitterFromHell Vicky]] to be his baby sitter babysitter while brushing off the obvious signs of her being evil, as well as making no attempts to hide that they view Timmy as a burden.
* ''WesternAnimation/HarleyQuinn2019'': Harley is told by Ivy, her crew (and even Batgirl) that despite being a supervillain, she's a good person. Harley is certainly a better person than many of the villains she faces but her actions, and their consequences, are pretty awful. She's selfish, foolhardy, volatile volatile, and most of her decisions have directly or indirectly killed countless innocent people. Quinn even invades [[spoiler: earth with an army of parademons, with the intent of going on a mass killing spree, just to distract from her feelings for Poison Ivy.]] Then again, Ivy is obviously biased because she was treated like shit by people and Harley is her OnlyFriend. As for the others, Batgirl is a NaiveNewcomer who has some HorribleJudgeOfCharacter, as seen when she can't find any reason to doubt Harley and Ivy will take Riddler to Arkham instead of taking him prisoner for their self-benefit.
* In ''WesternAnimation/TheProudFamily'', Dijonay reunites with her old friend Lacieniga for the first time in years. Dijonay tells her current best friend Penny that Lacieniga is the best person ever, but Lacieniga only proceeds to do nothing but selfishly disrespect Penny. Penny calls Dijonay out on her judgement saying that it's possible her old friend has changed, changed but Dijonay doesn't see any of it.it. (Granted, Dijonay's [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder not that great a friend to Penny]] either.)



** In a "A Bad Day for Sir Handel". Peter Sam and Sir Handel arrive to the Skarloey Railway with Sir Handel complaining about leaving the railway they previously worked at and insults Skarloey. Peter Sam rebukes him and tells Skarloey that he's a nice person, he's only a bit homesick. The narration then states that Skarloey felt sorry for Peter Sam.

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** In a "A Bad Day for Sir Handel". Peter Sam and Sir Handel arrive to the Skarloey Railway with Sir Handel complaining about leaving the railway they previously worked at and insults Skarloey. Peter Sam rebukes him and tells Skarloey that he's a nice person, he's only a bit homesick. The narration then states that Skarloey felt sorry for Peter Sam.
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* ''Film/TheRoom'''s protagonist, Johnny, is ostensibly an emotionally fragile NiceGuy who buys Lisa red roses often enough to be the flower shop lady's favorite customer, and would do anything for Lisa and seems to only want to make her happy. He also pays for Denny's college and tuition without asking for anything in return, and is constantly admired and praised by everyone (except Lisa) wherever he goes. This shilling is kind of undermined by some of the other kinks in his character, such as laughing at domestic abuse that landed someone in the hospital, his covert taping of Lisa to determine whether or not she was having an affair instead of coming out and asking her about it, shoving Lisa onto a couch at one point and later getting into a physical confrontation with Mark in front of all his party guests, and his destructive meltdown at the end where he completely trashes his apartment.

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* ''Film/TheRoom'''s ''Film/TheRoom2003'''s protagonist, Johnny, is ostensibly an emotionally fragile NiceGuy who buys Lisa red roses often enough to be the flower shop lady's favorite customer, and would do anything for Lisa and seems to only want to make her happy. He also pays for Denny's college and tuition without asking for anything in return, and is constantly admired and praised by everyone (except Lisa) wherever he goes. This shilling is kind of undermined by some of the other kinks in his character, such as laughing at domestic abuse that landed someone in the hospital, his covert taping of Lisa to determine whether or not she was having an affair instead of coming out and asking her about it, shoving Lisa onto a couch at one point and later getting into a physical confrontation with Mark in front of all his party guests, and his destructive meltdown at the end where he completely trashes his apartment.

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* ''LightNovel/RecordOfGrancrestWar'' goes to great lengths to establish Marrine as a TragicVillain who selflessly sacrifices her own happiness for the country's good...Except that she poison gasses a building full of innocent people, refuses to ally with people for the sole reason that they're more heroic than her, and tries to make a foreign warlord Emperor. In real life, people who've committed murder on that scale are ''very rarely'' contrite.
* In ''LightNovel/TheRisingOfTheShieldHero'', Queen Mariella tells Naofumi that she repeatedly sent adventurer parties to him to try and make up for the nastiness of her husband and daughter. He breaks down in response. The only time on-screen that a party tried to recruit Naofumi, they tried to mug him for what little money he had.



* In ''Comicbook/TheSandman'', the Furies are not to be referred as such, it's better to call them the Kindly Ones: a [[TheHecateSisters Hecate Trio]] of witches who swore to get revenge on Orpheus for making them cry, which they achieved by having him killed by his father. However, this trope is clearly invoked ironically, as everyone is terrified of them. It's also historically accurate.
* Franchise/WonderWoman comes off as this DependingOnTheWriter. She was [[ComicBook/WonderWoman1942 originally intended]] to be [[WomenAreWiser the most compassionate and understanding member]] of the Franchise/JusticeLeagueOfAmerica, and for a fairly long time she lived up to it. Then ''ComicBook/KingdomCome'' happened. In that story, Diana was depicted as having become more violent and bitter as a result of her struggles, taking up a sword and being much more willing to kill enemies. This was intended to just be an element of the BadFuture, but ''Kingdom Come'' ended up being [[MainstreamObscurity a lot of readers' first real impression of Wonder Woman]] and the "warrior" imagery caught on. Ever since than, writers have tried to portray both interpretations at the same time with predictably confusing and [[{{Narm}} Narmful]] results; narration praising Wonder Woman for her kind and peaceful ways will be juxtaposed with her breaking necks or stabbing bad guys.
* [[Franchise/{{Batman}} Batman's]] status as being one of the purest, most compassionate superheroes of the DC universe and one of its moral centers. A lot of heroes ([[DependingOnTheWriter and writers]]) often tend to exaggerate and gush on and on about how he's apparently one of the most heroic, purest and incorruptible superheroes to ever exist...despite the fact that even at his campiest and goofiest, he has quite a few moments of Jerkassery under his belt and that he tends to act like an asshole towards everyone, even his closest allies (which often leads to him getting berated by said allies). Or all the times when one of his plans ends up backfiring on him and almost kills his allies because he refused to trust them out of stubbornness and paranoia (Tower Of Babel or Brother Eye, for example). Or the way he treated the rest of the Bat-family (especially Stephanie Brown and Cassandra Cain) in the past. Or that he almost never listens to what his friends tell him, even when they try to warn him about something, because he tends to think that he's always right about everything and that he knows better than everyone else (like that time when he got tricked by Barbatos into releasing him from the Dark Multiverse and he didn’t listen to any of his teammates when they tried to warn him that what he was doing was a horrible idea).

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* In ''Comicbook/TheSandman'', ''Comicbook/TheSandman1989'', the Furies are not to be referred as such, it's better to call them the Kindly Ones: a [[TheHecateSisters Hecate Trio]] of witches who swore to get revenge on Orpheus for making them cry, which they achieved by having him killed by his father. However, this trope is clearly invoked ironically, as everyone is terrified of them. It's also historically accurate.
* Franchise/WonderWoman ComicBook/WonderWoman comes off as this DependingOnTheWriter. She was [[ComicBook/WonderWoman1942 originally intended]] to be [[WomenAreWiser the most compassionate and understanding member]] of the Franchise/JusticeLeagueOfAmerica, ComicBook/JusticeLeagueOfAmerica, and for a fairly long time she lived up to it. Then ''ComicBook/KingdomCome'' happened. In that story, Diana was depicted as having become more violent and bitter as a result of her struggles, taking up a sword and being much more willing to kill enemies. This was intended to just be an element of the BadFuture, but ''Kingdom Come'' ended up being [[MainstreamObscurity a lot of readers' first real impression of Wonder Woman]] and the "warrior" imagery caught on. Ever since than, writers have tried to portray both interpretations at the same time with predictably confusing and [[{{Narm}} Narmful]] {{Narm}}ful results; narration praising Wonder Woman for her kind and peaceful ways will be juxtaposed with her breaking necks or stabbing bad guys.
* [[Franchise/{{Batman}} Batman's]] ComicBook/{{Batman}}'s status as being one of the purest, most compassionate superheroes of the DC universe and one of its moral centers. A lot of heroes ([[DependingOnTheWriter and writers]]) often tend to exaggerate and gush on and on about how he's apparently one of the most heroic, purest and incorruptible superheroes to ever exist...despite the fact that even at his campiest and goofiest, he has quite a few moments of Jerkassery {{jerkass}}ery under his belt and that he tends to act like an asshole towards everyone, even his closest allies (which often leads to him getting berated by said allies). Or all the times when one of his plans ends up backfiring on him and almost kills his allies because he refused to trust them out of stubbornness and paranoia (Tower Of Babel (''ComicBook/JusticeLeagueOfAmericaTowerOfBabel'' or [[ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis Brother Eye, Eye]], for example). Or the way he treated the rest of the Bat-family (especially Stephanie Brown and Cassandra Cain) in the past. Or that he almost never listens to what his friends tell him, even when they try to warn him about something, because he tends to think that he's always right about everything and that he knows better than everyone else (like that time when he got tricked by Barbatos into releasing him from the Dark Multiverse and he didn’t listen to any of his teammates when they tried to warn him that what he was doing was a horrible idea).



* ''Literature/RecordOfGrancrestWar'' goes to great lengths to establish Marrine as a TragicVillain who selflessly sacrifices her own happiness for the country's good... except that she poison gasses a building full of innocent people, refuses to ally with people for the sole reason that they're more heroic than her, and tries to make a foreign warlord Emperor. In real life, people who've committed murder on that scale are ''very rarely'' contrite.
* In ''Literature/TheRisingOfTheShieldHero'', Queen Mariella tells Naofumi that she repeatedly sent adventurer parties to him to try and make up for the nastiness of her husband and daughter. He breaks down in response. The only time on-screen that a party tried to recruit Naofumi, they tried to mug him for what little money he had.



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* The main character in ''Manga/GhostSweeperMikami'' sings in the ending of the anime about how, below her cold exterior, she's actually nice and kind...even though her kind moments can be counted with the fingers of one hand and her normal actions in both the manga and anime are [[IceQueen cold-hearted]], [[NominalHero illegal]], [[ComedicSociopathy incredibly cruel]], [[{{Greed}} greedy]], and [[BadBoss abusive]]. This is even worse considering the anime ended before she started undergoing some CharacterDevelopment where she actually had nicer moments.

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* The main character in ''Manga/GhostSweeperMikami'' sings in the ending of the anime about how, below her cold exterior, she's actually nice and kind...even though her kind moments can be counted with the fingers of one hand and her normal actions in both the manga and anime are [[IceQueen [[BadBoss cold-hearted]], [[NominalHero illegal]], [[ComedicSociopathy incredibly cruel]], and [[{{Greed}} greedy]], and [[BadBoss abusive]].greedy]]. This is even worse considering the anime ended before she started undergoing some CharacterDevelopment where she actually had nicer moments.
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* {{Parodied|Trope}} early on in ''Manga/HayateTheCombatButler'': The yakuza loan-sharks bent on enslaving Hayate as settlement for his parents' debt are redundantly, near-exclusively and emphatically being referred to as "Exceptionally kind people".

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* {{Parodied|Trope}} early on in ''Manga/HayateTheCombatButler'': The yakuza loan-sharks bent on enslaving and [[OrganTheft organ harvesting]] Hayate as settlement for his parents' debt are redundantly, near-exclusively and emphatically being referred to as "Exceptionally kind people".

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* ''Literature/EndersGame'': We're told over and over that Ender is a good person, extremely empathic, and loves even his enemies. This is based ''entirely'' on the fact that he always feels bad after he brutally murders someone (which is damn near every other scene). His guilt is never strong enough to make him show even the slightest bit of restraint in the next confrontation, though. Just enough to mope about it for a bit and then keep doing exactly the same thing.

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* ''Literature/EndersGame'': We're told over and over that Ender is a good person, extremely empathic, and loves even his enemies. This is based ''entirely'' on the fact that he always feels bad after he brutally murders kills someone (which is damn near every other scene).happens a lot). His guilt is never strong enough to make him show even the slightest bit of restraint in the next confrontation, though. Just enough to mope about it for a bit and then keep doing exactly the same thing.


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* Myth/ClassicalMythology: Zeus is frequently praised by a variety of writers for his wisdom, fairness and good judgment, to the point that in one of Creator/{{Plato}}'s dialogues, Euthyphro claims that Zeus's behaviour defines the very concept of justice. This is despite the fact that about half of the problems in the myths are caused by Zeus behaving cruelly, recklessly, or both. {{Justified}}, as the Greeks believed that Zeus actually existed and could punish them in real life if they made him angry, so questioning whether he really deserved all the praise he got was seen as a very bad idea.
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* Justified in ''VideoGame/Persona2'', where the students of Seven Sisters High School insist that [[DeanBitterman their principal]] is a great guy, despite him yelling at Tatsuya for no good reason. Tatsuya quickly discovers that the principal made a deal with the local RealityWarper to make his students adore him.
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The people Bucciarati killed were trying to kill his father just for being a witness to their crimes. Additionally, he doesn't manipulate his comrades; he tried to talk Narancia out of joining, only for Narancia to do it anyway behind his back.


* ''Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventureGoldenWind'': Bruno Bucciarati's [[AllThereInTheManual character profile]] claims kindness to be the basis of his character. Such statements would be perfectly fine if not for the fact that Bucciarati himself is a ruthless mafiosi who has been murdering people as early as ''[[EnfantTerrible twelve years old]]'', and even his PetTheDog moments of granting several suffering teenagers (and one adult) a better life in the mafia look more like him taking advantage of their vulnerability that any genuine bout of altruism.
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* ''WesternAnimation/HarleyQuinn2019'': Harley is told by Ivy, her crew (and even Batgirl) that despite being a supervillain, she's a good person. Harley is certainly a better person than many of the villains she faces but her actions, and their consequences, are pretty awful. She's selfish, foolhardy, volatile and most of her decisions have directly or indirectly killed countless innocent people. Quinn even invades [[spoiler: earth with an army of parademons, with the intent of going on a mass killing spree, just to distract from her feelings for Poison Ivy.]] Then again, Ivy is obviously biased because she was treated like shit by people and Harley is her OnlyFriend. As for the others, Batgirl is a NaiveNewcomer who has some HorribleJudgeOfCharacter, as seen when she can't find any reason to doubt Harley and Ivy will take Riddler to Arkham instead of taking him prisoner for their self-benefit.

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