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20th Nov '16 6:28:24 PM Valiona
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*** Case 3 "Recipe for a Turnabout". In this case, everyone up to this points knows several public facts: [[spoiler: the victim was poisoned, he was in a cafe, and that it was supposedly done by a waitress]]. At the last critical moment, a SmokingGun is introduced in the form of [[spoiler:a green bottle... which turns out to be totally useless. Phoenix rolls with it and tries to trick the villain of the chapter by saying that was the bottle that held the poison, however the villain knows the Green bottle wasn't it because it was a brown bottle, and thus his evidence against him is moot.... then several moments later the court reminds him that that information has not once been made public knowledge, so he shouldn't know that whatsoever. Cue him realizing he just identified himself.]]

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*** Case 3 "Recipe for a Turnabout". In this case, everyone up to this points knows several public facts: [[spoiler: the victim was poisoned, he was in a cafe, and that it was supposedly done by a waitress]]. At the last critical moment, a SmokingGun is introduced in the form of [[spoiler:a green bottle... which turns out to be totally useless. Phoenix rolls with it and tries to trick the villain of the chapter by saying that was the bottle that held the poison, however the villain knows the Green bottle wasn't it because it was a brown bottle, and thus his evidence against him is moot.... then several moments later the court reminds him that that information has not once been made public knowledge, so he shouldn't know that whatsoever.that. Cue him realizing he just identified himself.]]



* In ''VisualNovel/{{Danganronpa}}'', this is how you discover who the culprit of Chapter 2's murder is. It's none other than [[spoiler:Mondo Oowada, the Super High-School Level Gang Leader. Another student, Celestia Lundenberg, recently told everyone that the murder victim, Chihiro Fujisaki, was wearing a jersey when Chihiro went to go exercise. When Kiyotaka Ishimaru asks about the jersey, Mondo Oowada pipes up, oh, so the victim was wearing a ''blue jersey'' then? His was black!...but Celes never told anyone but Naegi ''what color the jersey was'', so how would Mondo know that unless he was the one that brained Chihiro over the head with a dumbbell?]]
** In Chapter 3 [[spoiler:Celestia herself is ironically nailed the same way: shortly after the discovery of Ishimaru's body she comments that the culprit is "going to kill the rest of us just like he killed the guys" despite having remained in the same floor with Yamada's body the whole time and thus had no way of knowing that ''two'' people were murdered.]]
** Chapter 3's culprit of [[VisualNovel/SuperDanganRonpa2 the sequel]] is also uncovered like this. [[spoiler:Mikan spoke about the details of Ibuki's supposed "suicide video" when Hinata was the only one to have seen it.]]

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* In ''VisualNovel/{{Danganronpa}}'', this is how you discover who the culprit of Chapter 2's murder is. It's none other than [[spoiler:Mondo Oowada, the Super High-School Level Gang Leader. Another student, Celestia Lundenberg, recently told everyone that the murder victim, Chihiro Fujisaki, was wearing secretly stuffed a jersey into a duffel bag when Chihiro went to go exercise.exercise, which only Celes saw. When Kiyotaka Ishimaru asks about the jersey, Mondo Oowada pipes up, oh, so the victim was wearing a ''blue jersey'' then? His was black!...but Celes never told anyone but Naegi ''what color the jersey was'', so how would Mondo know that unless he was the one that brained Chihiro over the head with a dumbbell?]]
** In Chapter 3 [[spoiler:Celestia herself is ironically nailed the same way: shortly after the discovery of Ishimaru's body she comments that the culprit everyone is "going going to kill the rest of us just die, "just like he killed the guys" those guys died," despite having remained in the same floor with Yamada's body the whole time and thus had no way of knowing that ''two'' people were murdered.]]
** Chapter 3's culprit of [[VisualNovel/SuperDanganRonpa2 the sequel]] is also uncovered like this. [[spoiler:Mikan spoke about [[spoiler:Mikan, who's accused of being the details of killer, is confronted with how sh apparently impersonated Ibuki's supposed in the latter's "suicide video" video." Mikan fervently denies it, and says that, among other things, the camera angle should contain no proof that it was her and not Ibuki in that video. Hajime asks how she could know about the camera angle, which he never mentioned, unless she saw the crime. Mikan also makes a smaller mistake later on when Hinata was she says that the only one tote bag used to cover Ibuki's head would have seen it.to be two places at once, and casually shrugs off inadvertently revealing another detail she shouldn't know.]]
19th Nov '16 5:38:59 AM Kevinhend
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* ''Franchise/JojosBizarreAdventure'' uses this in the Judgment arc where Jotaro uncovers Enya's identity as a stand user sent by DIO [[spoiler:when she calls him by his name. After he gets suspicious of Enya "hearing" Polnareff refer to Joseph as 'Mr. Joestar' he signs the guestbook as 'Qtaro Kujo' and asks the other Crusaders to not to refer to him by his name.]]
19th Nov '16 5:37:06 AM Kevinhend
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* ''Franchise/JojosBizarreAdventure'' uses this in the Judgment arc where Jotaro uncovers Enya's identity as a stand user sent by DIO [[spoiler:when she calls him by his name. After he gets suspicious of Enya "hearing" Polnareff refer to Joseph as 'Mr. Joestar' he signs the guestbook as 'Qtaro Kujo' and asks the other Crusaders to not to refer to him by his name.]]
18th Nov '16 11:27:48 PM dmcreif
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* The ''Series/Daredevil2015'' fanfic [[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11258153/24/What-They-Wouldn-t-Do What They Wouldn't Do]] uses this to answer the question of how Matt Murdock would find out that Karen Page had killed Wilson Fisk's henchman James Wesley. Matt is romantically involved with Sarah Corrigan, a toung woman working at one of Fisk's former shell companies. While on an errand, Sarah runs into Karen at the post office, unaware of who she is. By chance, Sarah's purse strap breaks and the contents fall out, including a police photograph of Wesley's body. [[OhCrap Karen's face turns pale]] upon seeing the photo, which leads Sarah to realize Karen has bad memories of encountering Wesley. Karen later invites Sarah to dinner at a Thai noodle place. Their conversation eventually comes around to Wesley and the photograph in Sarah's purse. Karen suggests [[ThereAreNoCoincidences it's not a coincidence]] that she ran into someone who worked at one of Fisk's companies and who happened to possess a photo of Wesley's body, with Sarah noting her odd wording. Recalling how Wesley threatened her family to get her to take over her father's debts to Fisk, Sarah remarks that he liked playing mind games with subordinates under his thumb, to which Karen says, "Yeah, well, [[Recap/Daredevil2015S1E11ThePathOfTheRighteous that kind of shit's how you end up getting shot with your own gun]]." Sarah knows from gossip that Wesley was shot seven times in an abandoned office building, and Fisk beat up one of his bodyguards for not going with Wesley, but she'd never heard anything about Wesley getting shot with his own weapon. The fact that Karen then mentions she's been keeping tabs on the investigation into Wesley's death[[note]]The cop assigned to Wesley's murder is a crooked cop who just got killed by Sarah's boss, who then forced her to dispose of the body[[/note]] further cements Sarah's suspicions.

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* The ''Series/Daredevil2015'' fanfic [[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11258153/24/What-They-Wouldn-t-Do What They Wouldn't Do]] uses this to answer the question of how Matt Murdock would find out that Karen Page had killed Wilson Fisk's henchman James Wesley. Matt is romantically involved with Sarah Corrigan, a toung young woman working at one of Fisk's former shell companies.companies after being blackmailed by Wesley into taking over her father's debts to Fisk. While on an errand, Sarah runs into Karen at the post office, unaware of who she is. By chance, Sarah's purse strap breaks and the contents fall out, including a police photograph of Wesley's body. [[OhCrap Karen's face turns pale]] upon seeing the photo, which leads Sarah to realize Karen has bad memories of encountering Wesley. Karen later invites Sarah to dinner at a Thai noodle place. Their conversation eventually comes around to Wesley and the photograph in Sarah's purse. Karen suggests [[ThereAreNoCoincidences it's not a coincidence]] that she ran into someone who worked at one of Fisk's companies and who happened to possess a photo of Wesley's body, with Sarah noting her odd wording. Recalling how Wesley threatened her family to get her to take over her father's debts to Fisk, cooperation, Sarah remarks that he liked playing mind games with subordinates under his thumb, to which Karen says, "Yeah, well, [[Recap/Daredevil2015S1E11ThePathOfTheRighteous that kind of shit's how you end up getting shot with your own gun]]." Sarah knows from gossip that Wesley was shot seven times in an abandoned office building, and Fisk beat up one of his bodyguards for not going with Wesley, but she'd never heard anything about Wesley getting shot with his own weapon. The fact that Karen then mentions she's been keeping tabs on the investigation into Wesley's death[[note]]The cop assigned to Wesley's murder is a crooked cop who just got killed by Sarah's boss, who then forced her to dispose of the body[[/note]] further cements Sarah's suspicions.
18th Nov '16 11:22:21 PM dmcreif
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* In one ''Series/Daredevil2015'' fanfic [[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11258153/24/What-They-Wouldn-t-Do What They Wouldn't Do]], Sarah Corrigan, a woman at a company that used to be a front for Wilson Fisk, begins to get involved with Matt Murdock. Later, she has a chance run in with Karen Page at the post office. Karen later invites Sarah to lunch at a Thai noodle place. During their conversation, the talk turns to Wilson Fisk, as the two women used to be secretaries at companies he owned, and both had been propositioned by James Wesley. Sarah remarks that Wesley liked playing mind games with people under his thumb, to which Karen replies, "Yeah, well, [[Recap/Daredevil2015S1E11ThePathOfTheRighteous that kind of shit's how you end up getting shot with your own gun]]." Sarah realizes that Karen killed Wesley. She's aware that Wesley was shot seven times in an abandoned office building, and Fisk beat up one of his bodyguards for not going with Wesley. But only Wesley's killer would've known that he was shot with his own weapon.

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* In one The ''Series/Daredevil2015'' fanfic [[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11258153/24/What-They-Wouldn-t-Do What They Wouldn't Do]], Do]] uses this to answer the question of how Matt Murdock would find out that Karen Page had killed Wilson Fisk's henchman James Wesley. Matt is romantically involved with Sarah Corrigan, a toung woman working at a company that used to be a front for Wilson Fisk, begins to get involved with Matt Murdock. Later, she has a chance run in with one of Fisk's former shell companies. While on an errand, Sarah runs into Karen Page at the post office. office, unaware of who she is. By chance, Sarah's purse strap breaks and the contents fall out, including a police photograph of Wesley's body. [[OhCrap Karen's face turns pale]] upon seeing the photo, which leads Sarah to realize Karen has bad memories of encountering Wesley. Karen later invites Sarah to lunch dinner at a Thai noodle place. During their conversation, Their conversation eventually comes around to Wesley and the talk turns to Wilson Fisk, as the two women used to be secretaries photograph in Sarah's purse. Karen suggests [[ThereAreNoCoincidences it's not a coincidence]] that she ran into someone who worked at one of Fisk's companies he owned, and both had been propositioned by James Wesley. who happened to possess a photo of Wesley's body, with Sarah noting her odd wording. Recalling how Wesley threatened her family to get her to take over her father's debts to Fisk, Sarah remarks that Wesley he liked playing mind games with people subordinates under his thumb, to which Karen replies, says, "Yeah, well, [[Recap/Daredevil2015S1E11ThePathOfTheRighteous that kind of shit's how you end up getting shot with your own gun]]." Sarah realizes that Karen killed Wesley. She's aware knows from gossip that Wesley was shot seven times in an abandoned office building, and Fisk beat up one of his bodyguards for not going with Wesley. But only Wesley's killer would've known that he was Wesley, but she'd never heard anything about Wesley getting shot with his own weapon. weapon. The fact that Karen then mentions she's been keeping tabs on the investigation into Wesley's death[[note]]The cop assigned to Wesley's murder is a crooked cop who just got killed by Sarah's boss, who then forced her to dispose of the body[[/note]] further cements Sarah's suspicions.
18th Nov '16 2:43:57 PM dmcreif
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* In one ''Series/Daredevil2015'' fanfic [[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11258153/24/What-They-Wouldn-t-Do What They Wouldn't Do]], Sarah Corrigan, a woman at a company that used to be a front for Wilson Fisk, begins to get involved with Matt Murdock. Later, she has a chance run in with Karen Page at the post office. Karen later invites Sarah to lunch at a Thai noodle place. During their conversation, the talk turns to Wilson Fisk, as the two women used to be secretaries at companies he owned, and both had been propositioned by James Wesley. Sarah remarks that Wesley liked playing mind games with people under his thumb, to which Karen replies, "Yeah, well, [[Recap/Daredevil2015S1E11ThePathOfTheRighteous that kind of shit's how you end up getting shot with your own gun]]." Sarah realizes that Karen killed Wesley. She's aware that Wesley was shot seven times in an abandoned office building, and Fisk beat up one of his bodyguards for not going with Wesley. But only Wesley's killer would've known that he was shot with his own weapon.
16th Nov '16 8:19:56 PM Dimensio
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** Another episode had this happen with an actual poisoning, though in this case the culprit (a newspaper man) was exposed because he pushed a front-page story that identified the effect of the poison (a cerebral hemorrhage) as the cause of death, even though that effect was not revealed until an hour after the paper was published.
14th Nov '16 7:58:29 AM ashlay
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* ''VideoGame/{{Persona 5}}'': How the Protagonist and Morgana find the traitor. [[spoiler:Goro mentions a silly comment TalkingAnimal Morgana makes about pancakes when you first meet him at a TV station on June 9th. As only those who have entered MentalWorld of the Palace can understand Morgana, but Goro claims he didn't gain access till much later in the year, it allows your team to eventually deduce he's been lying to you from the start.]]

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* ''VideoGame/{{Persona 5}}'': How the Protagonist and Morgana find the traitor. [[spoiler:Goro mentions a silly comment TalkingAnimal Morgana makes about pancakes when you first meet him at a TV station on June 9th. As only those who have entered MentalWorld of the Palace can understand Morgana, but Goro later claims he didn't gain access till much later in further into the year, it allows your team to eventually deduce he's been lying to you from the start.]]
14th Nov '16 7:57:32 AM ashlay
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* ''VideoGame/{{Persona 5}}'': How the Protagonist and Morgana find the traitor. [[spoiler:Goro mentions a silly comment Morgana makes about pancakes when you first meet him at the TV station on June 9th. As only those who have entered MentalWorld of the Palace can understand Morgana, but Goro claims he didn't gain access till much later in the year, it allows your team to eventually deduce he's been lying to you from the start.]]

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* ''VideoGame/{{Persona 5}}'': How the Protagonist and Morgana find the traitor. [[spoiler:Goro mentions a silly comment TalkingAnimal Morgana makes about pancakes when you first meet him at the a TV station on June 9th. As only those who have entered MentalWorld of the Palace can understand Morgana, but Goro claims he didn't gain access till much later in the year, it allows your team to eventually deduce he's been lying to you from the start.]]
14th Nov '16 7:56:31 AM ashlay
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* ''VideoGame/{{Persona 5}}'': How the Protagonist and Morgana find the traitor. [[spoiler:Goro mentions a silly comment Morgana makes about pancakes when you first meet him at the TV station on June 9th. As only those who have entered MentalWorld of the Palace can understand Morgana, but Goro claims he didn't gain access till much later in the year, it allows your team to eventually deduce he's been lying to you from the start.]]
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