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11th Mar '17 6:02:09 PM ImpudentInfidel
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*** In the main webcomic, a vampire cleric is later introduced who mentions that being a vampire (with a whopping +8 level adjustment, and another +1 adjustment as a lizardfolk) makes it difficult for him to find level-appropriate opponents and thus he hasn't gained any relevant amount of EXP in years.

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*** In the main webcomic, a vampire cleric is later introduced who mentions that being a vampire (with a whopping +8 level adjustment, and another +1 adjustment as a lizardfolk) makes it difficult for him to find level-appropriate opponents and thus he hasn't gained any relevant amount of EXP in years. This ends up being relevant to the plot; the gods of the setting need high-level clerics to participate in certain events, but some of the evil gods have only undead clergy which are effectively prevented from leveling (turning a high-level cleric is one obvious solution, but high level clerics are the best fighters against undead).
14th Feb '17 6:50:20 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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[[caption-width-right:350:Don't do [[PowerUpgradingDeformation this.]] Ever.]]

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[[caption-width-right:350:Don't do [[PowerUpgradingDeformation this.]] this]]. Ever.]]



* The [[AvertedTrope aversion]] of this is a major plot point in [=IDW's=] CrisisCrossover ''Infestation''. A GenreSavvy [=US=] government decides the best way to deal with a scientist accidentally opening a portal to a zombie dimension is to send in their vampire agents backed by robots. Unfortunately, [[OurZombiesAreDifferent this particular zombie outbreak]] ''did'' affect vampires and robots. [[OhCrap Oops]]. Cue one zombie plague spreading to the worlds of ''Franchise/StarTrek'', ''Comicbook/GIJoeIDW'', ''Comicbook/{{Ghostbusters}}'', and ''{{Transformers}}''. That's right, there were zombie Transformers.

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* The [[AvertedTrope aversion]] of this is a major plot point in [=IDW's=] CrisisCrossover ''Infestation''. A GenreSavvy The [=US=] government decides the best way to deal with a scientist accidentally opening a portal to a zombie dimension is to send in their vampire agents backed by robots. Unfortunately, [[OurZombiesAreDifferent this particular zombie outbreak]] ''did'' affect vampires and robots. [[OhCrap Oops]]. Oops.]] Cue one zombie plague spreading to the worlds of ''Franchise/StarTrek'', ''Comicbook/GIJoeIDW'', ''Comicbook/{{Ghostbusters}}'', and ''{{Transformers}}''. That's right, there were zombie Transformers.
25th Jan '17 5:53:58 PM Stormcat1
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* The life states in ''VideoGame/TheSims3'' are deliberately coded to be mutually exclusive, except ghost. [[GoodBadBugs Or at least they should]].

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* The life states in ''VideoGame/TheSims3'' are deliberately coded to be mutually exclusive, except ghost. [[GoodBadBugs Or at least they should]]. This was done because it was entirely possible to combine ALL the life states into one sim in ''VideoGame/TheSims2'' and it was kind of ridiculous.
14th Jan '17 6:52:15 PM irrevenant
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** There was a werewolf ghost at one point but they immediately crossed over so we don't know if any of the 'wolfiness' carried over to their spirit form or not.
24th Dec '16 11:38:11 AM nombretomado
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* Humans in ''{{Arcanum}}'' are capable of interbreeding with orcs, elves and ogres, resulting in [[HalfHumanHybrid half-orcs, half-elves and half-ogres]], because those races are descended from humans who were mutated by exposure to large amounts of magic in the ancient past and share enough human DNA to create viable offspring. The other races in Arcanum (dwarves, gnomes and halflings) have their own family tree and cannot interbreed with humans.

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* Humans in ''{{Arcanum}}'' ''VideoGame/ArcanumOfSteamworksAndMagickObscura'' are capable of interbreeding with orcs, elves and ogres, resulting in [[HalfHumanHybrid half-orcs, half-elves and half-ogres]], because those races are descended from humans who were mutated by exposure to large amounts of magic in the ancient past and share enough human DNA to create viable offspring. The other races in Arcanum (dwarves, gnomes and halflings) have their own family tree and cannot interbreed with humans.
20th Dec '16 12:45:30 AM LBHills
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*** Several other Changing Breeds either can't be embraced, or can't stay that way for long afterwards. Kitsune were-foxes explode in fire if embraced as kind of a TakeThat to players' obsession with making abominations. Corax were-ravens? They die come dawn no matter WHERE they are. [[DragonsAreDinosaurs Mokolé were-dinosaurs?]] They go BALLISTIC the second the embrace starts, and their war form? A dragon/dinosaur which may very well breathe fire and/or glow with sunlight. ''Then'' they die come dawn. Rokea were-sharks? They become single-minded creatures hungry for blood at any cost - and they prioritize ''vampire'' blood over anyone else. Bastet were-cats can be embraced but immediately start losing their Gnosis stat, which cripples their supernatural abilities and erodes their ability to mentally function as anything but near-mindless blood-suckers. Ratkin were-rats are embraced with no less trouble than Garou... except that whatever keeps Vampires from decomposing ''[[BodyHorror does not work]]''.

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*** Several other Changing Breeds either can't be embraced, or can't stay that way for long afterwards. make the embracer wish he'd never tried. Kitsune were-foxes (were-foxes) explode in fire if embraced as kind of a TakeThat to players' obsession with making abominations. Corax were-ravens? They (were-ravens) die come dawn no matter WHERE they are. dawn... even if they're never exposed to sunlight. [[DragonsAreDinosaurs Mokolé were-dinosaurs?]] They go BALLISTIC the second the embrace starts, and Mokol&eacute (were-dinosaurs)]] enter a murderous rage, assume their war form? A dragon/dinosaur which may very well breathe fire and/or glow with sunlight. ''Then'' they most powerful form, start rampaging, and ''then'' die come at dawn. Rokea were-sharks? They (were-sharks) survive, but lose most of their personality and become single-minded creatures hungry for blood at any cost - and they prioritize ''vampire'' blood over anyone else. relentless [[HunterOfHisOwnKind vampire-eating]] horrors. Bastet were-cats can be embraced but (were-cats) immediately start losing their Gnosis stat, which cripples their supernatural abilities and erodes their ability to mentally function as anything but near-mindless blood-suckers. Ratkin were-rats (were-rats) are embraced with no less trouble than Garou... except that whatever keeps Vampires from decomposing ''[[BodyHorror does not work]]''.Garou - but the agelessness of 'normal' vampires doesn't apply. They start to decay.



*** Another exception is fomori, the fusion of a spirit of corruption with a material host. The most powerful of said spirits can pull it off on a supernatural host, specifically vampires, werewolves and most shifters, [[TabletopGame/MageTheAscension mages]], and [[TabletopGame/ChangelingTheDreaming changelings who've forgotten what they are]]. Long, long ago, the vampire Set spawned the dread [[TabletopGame/MummyTheResurrection Bane Mummies]] through corrupt magic, and found they had their own agenda; fortunately for everyone else, Set wisely decided not to try again, and no-one else seems capable of it either. Most every other major supernatural is immune, including two of the Changing Breeds: the Corax were-ravens (thanks to their unique creation ritual) and the Nagah were-snakes (since they're a spiritual blind spot). And while being a fomori may offer the occasional benefit, they're far, far outweighed by the downsides.

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*** Another exception is fomori, the fusion of a spirit of corruption with a material host. The most powerful of said such spirits can pull it off on a supernatural host, specifically vampires, werewolves and most shifters, [[TabletopGame/MageTheAscension mages]], and [[TabletopGame/ChangelingTheDreaming changelings who've forgotten what they are]]. Long, long ago, the vampire Set spawned the dread [[TabletopGame/MummyTheResurrection Bane Mummies]] through corrupt magic, and found they had their own agenda; fortunately for everyone else, Set wisely decided not to try again, and no-one else seems capable of it either. Most every other major supernatural is immune, including two of the Changing Breeds: the Corax were-ravens (thanks to their unique creation ritual) and the Nagah were-snakes (since they're a spiritual blind spot). And while being a fomori may offer the occasional benefit, they're far, far outweighed by the downsides.
20th Dec '16 12:37:01 AM LBHills
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In a superhero setting, the trope expands to include 'super-originsy as well. A character's powers, however diverse, need a single unifying theme. Logically, if aliens ''and'' FunctionalMagic are real, there must be alien magicians ''somewhere,'' but they won't appear as main characters. Undead who are bitten by radioactive hamsters don't manifest additional hamster-related powers: they just eat the hamster.

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In a superhero setting, the trope expands to include 'super-originsy 'super-origins' as well. A character's powers, however diverse, need a single unifying theme. Logically, if aliens ''and'' FunctionalMagic are real, there must be alien magicians ''somewhere,'' but they won't appear as main characters. Undead who are bitten by radioactive hamsters don't manifest additional hamster-related powers: they just eat the hamster.
20th Dec '16 12:36:43 AM LBHills
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In a superhero setting, the trope expands to include 'super-originsy as well. A character's SuperpowerComboPlatter needs a single unifying theme, however unlikely. Logically, if aliens ''and'' FunctionalMagic are real, there must be alien magicians ''somewhere,'' but they won't appear as main characters. Undead who are bitten by radioactive hamsters don't manifest additional hamster-related powers: they just eat the hamster.

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In a superhero setting, the trope expands to include 'super-originsy as well. A character's SuperpowerComboPlatter needs powers, however diverse, need a single unifying theme, however unlikely.theme. Logically, if aliens ''and'' FunctionalMagic are real, there must be alien magicians ''somewhere,'' but they won't appear as main characters. Undead who are bitten by radioactive hamsters don't manifest additional hamster-related powers: they just eat the hamster.
20th Dec '16 12:36:09 AM LBHills
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In a superhero setting, the trope expands to include 'super-originsy as well. A character's SuperpowerComboPlatter needs a single unifying theme, however unlikely. Logically, if aliens ''and'' FunctionalMagic are real, there must be alien magicians ''somewhere,'' but they won't appear as main characters. Undead who are bitten by radioactive hamsters don't manifest additional hamster-related powers: they just eat the hamster.



Inside the story, this is usually {{justified|Trope}} (or at least given a half decent HandWave) by having one supernatural/technological/biological "monster" or race be naturally [[TheImmune immune]] (or [[MadeOfExplodium violently]] [[WeaksauceWeakness allergic]]) to being hybridized with another. For example, a character who's been [[ViralTransformation changed]] into a werewolf can't be [[{{Mutant}} mutated]] with TheVirus since their HealingFactor protects them from further mutation. Robots won't become [[OurGhostsAreDifferent ghosts]] because, y'know, no [[OurSoulsAreDifferent Soul.]][[note]]{{Virtual Ghost}}s are doable, though.[[/note]] For whatever reason, in some settings characters can only change into one kind of supernatural critter, or only be one ''"at a time".''

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Inside the story, this is usually {{justified|Trope}} (or at least given a half decent HandWave) by having one supernatural/technological/biological "monster" or race be naturally [[TheImmune immune]] (or [[MadeOfExplodium violently]] [[WeaksauceWeakness allergic]]) to being hybridized with another. For example, a character who's been [[ViralTransformation changed]] into a werewolf can't be [[{{Mutant}} mutated]] with TheVirus since their HealingFactor protects them from further mutation. Robots won't become [[OurGhostsAreDifferent ghosts]] because, y'know, no [[OurSoulsAreDifferent Soul.]][[note]]{{Virtual Ghost}}s are doable, though.[[/note]] For whatever reason, in some settings characters can only change into one kind of supernatural critter, or only be one ''"at a time".''
1st Dec '16 9:14:50 AM Scorntex
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* ''ComicBook/BeastWarsUprising:'' During the last days of the Great War, the Decepticons created the Triple-Threat Master, a mix of Headmaster, Powermaster and Targetmaster. The result was a ludicrously powerful warrior, but at the cost of dramatically reducing the subjects' lifespan. Since the only Decepticon to undergo this process was Galvatron, nobody minded much. The Autobots had their own Triple-Threat Master, whose identity is obscured (but is heavily implied to be Optimus).

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