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* This brought up in Chapter 28 of ''Webcomic/GunnerkriggCourt'', where Kat the roboticist is depressed due to finding out that the creator of the Court's robots also [[spoiler:cooked up a plan to kill [[IfICantHaveYou a woman who didn't love him and his creations]] to protect the [[ScienceVsMagic technologically-advanced court from the magical denizens of the Giliti Woods]].]] Her irritation is interrupted after she finds a baby pigeon and takes it to her friend Paz, an animal lover who works with [[UnfortunateImplications lab rats]]. Kat has a breakdown after learning all the [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters things]] the Court does, but Paz reminds her that the Court is also capable of recognizing its flaws and changing them:

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* This brought up in Chapter 28 of ''Webcomic/GunnerkriggCourt'', where Kat the roboticist is depressed due to finding out that the creator of the Court's robots also [[spoiler:cooked up a plan to kill [[MurderTheHypotenuse assassinate the fae lover of the woman he obsessed over]], [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone then spent the rest of his life regretting]] [[IfICantHaveYou a that he basically left said woman who didn't love in a ditch to starve to death]], all while his co-conspirators hatched this plan alongside him and his creations]] to protect the [[ScienceVsMagic technologically-advanced court from the magical denizens of the Giliti Woods]].]] Her irritation is interrupted after she finds a baby pigeon and takes it to her friend Paz, an animal lover who works with [[UnfortunateImplications lab rats]]. Kat has a breakdown after learning all the [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters things]] the Court does, but Paz reminds her that the Court (and indirectly, the robots who are the original roboticist's descendants, who spend every waking moment trying to better themselves or be helpful) is also capable of recognizing its flaws and changing them:
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** In ''Film/Shazam2019'', the Wizard spends decades searching for a truly good person to fight as his champion, and brings dozens of people into the Rock of Ages to test them, only for each of them to fail. You'd think that Billy Batson, who takes on the eponymous hero's powers, would be that person, right? Wrong. The only reason the Wizard chose Billy was because he had no other choice after Dr. Sivana(who'd failed many years ago) invaded the Rock of Ages and freed the SevenDeadlySins, and Billy spends much of the movie fooling around with his new powers, only truly becoming a hero when his foster family is endangered. The implication that no one could ever pass the test says a lot about humanity.
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* Christianity teaches that humans are inherently evil (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_sin) because Eve let the snake trick her into eating the apple. Jesus stated in the Gospel of Matthew that "...out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies." (NKJV)
* This is the basis for the Jewish tradition of the Lamed Vavniks, or "Thirty Six": it's believed that there have never been fewer than thirty six righteous men and women, and they're the ones who justify the whole of humanity before the eyes of God. That's it: Yahweh tolerates His flawed children because there are always at least 36 of them who are "good enough"; the implication being that, if the righteous were ever to fall below this number, He would give up on humanity and destroy everyone. (Yay!)

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* Christianity teaches that humans are inherently evil (https://en.exist in a fallen [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_sin) because Eve let the snake trick her into eating the apple. org/wiki/Original_sin state]], with Jesus stated stating in the Gospel of Matthew that "...out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies." (NKJV)
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(NKJV) At the same time, the faith teaches that every human being is made in the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_of_Godv Image of God]], and as such, has infinite inherent worth.
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This is the basis for the Jewish tradition of the Lamed Vavniks, or "Thirty Six": it's believed that there have never been fewer than thirty six righteous men and women, and they're the ones who justify the whole of humanity before the eyes of God. That's it: Yahweh tolerates His flawed children because there are always at least 36 of them who are "good enough"; the implication being that, if the righteous were ever to fall below this number, He would give up on humanity and destroy everyone. (Yay!)

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* Christianity teaches that humans are inherently evil (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_sin) because Eve let the snake trick her into eating the apple. Jesus stated in the Gospel of Matthew that "...out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies." (NKJV)



* Christianity also takes this view to a degree. Hell, Jesus even stated in the Gospel of Matthew that "...out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies." (NKJV)
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* Humans are portrayed as this throughout much of the ''VideoGame/MegaMan'' franchise. While are there are undeniably heroic humans such as [[VideoGame/MegaManClassic Dr. Light]], [[VideoGame/MegaManX Cain]] and [[VideoGame/MegaManZero Ciel]], every conflict in nearly the entire timeline ultimately stems from Dr. Wily's petty feud with Light, and other villains such as Sigma and Dr. Weil hold unabashed HumansAreBastards viewpoints [[spoiler: even though Weil is a human himself and gleefully indulges in his CardCarryingVillain status.]] Humans are also portrayed as becoming increasingly complacent and reliant on machines, to the point that Zero expresses disgust with the citizens of Neo Arcadia for mindlessly tolerating an oppressive dictatorship simply because it fulfills their basic needs. Ultimately, though, X continues to maintain hope for humanity, and Zero tries helps him realize his vision of true peace between humans and reploids out of respect.

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* Humans are portrayed as this throughout much of the ''VideoGame/MegaMan'' ''Franchise/MegaMan'' franchise. While are there are undeniably heroic humans such as [[VideoGame/MegaManClassic Dr. Light]], [[VideoGame/MegaManX Cain]] and [[VideoGame/MegaManZero Ciel]], every conflict in nearly the entire timeline ultimately stems from Dr. Wily's petty feud with Light, and other villains such as Sigma and Dr. Weil hold unabashed HumansAreBastards viewpoints [[spoiler: even though Weil is a human himself and gleefully indulges in his CardCarryingVillain status.]] Humans are also portrayed as becoming increasingly complacent and reliant on machines, to the point that Zero expresses disgust with the citizens of Neo Arcadia for mindlessly tolerating an oppressive dictatorship simply because it fulfills their basic needs. Ultimately, though, X continues to maintain hope for humanity, and Zero tries helps him realize his vision of true peace between humans and reploids out of respect.
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* Deconstructed in ''Film/TheWorldsEnd''. [[spoiler:It turns out that humanity is the ''least'' civilized species in the galaxy, and the Network is trying to bring humanity to a level where it could be brought into the galactic community. However, to do so they have to remove anyone who doesn't want to be part of the Network; and because humanity doesn't like being told what to do, the Network need to replace ''a lot'' of people in an attempt to make them more acceptable to the galactic community . Arguably, the point of Gary, Andrew and Steven's rebuttal is that "Humans are special ''because'' they are flawed"]].

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* Deconstructed {{Deconstructed}} in ''Film/TheWorldsEnd''. [[spoiler:It turns out that humanity is the ''least'' civilized species in the galaxy, and the Network is trying to bring humanity to a level where it could be brought into the galactic community. However, to do so they have to remove anyone who doesn't want to be part of the Network; and because humanity doesn't like being told what to do, the Network need to replace ''a lot'' of people in an attempt to make them more acceptable to the galactic community . Arguably, the point of Gary, Andrew and Steven's rebuttal is that "Humans are special ''because'' they are flawed"]].
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* The Ancients (despite being humanity's progenitors) and the Nox, super advanced alien races in the ''Series/StargateVerse'', seemed to hold the fact that humanity was flawed against the SG-C, seizing on the slightest issue to deliver some moralizing message or condemnation (sometimes appropriate to the situation, but often not). Made worse by the [[NeglectfulPrecursors Ancients]] being a bunch of expletives anyway. By way of contrast the Asgard were both friendly and helpful despite knowing humanity was flawed, likely because unlike the other two they admitted they too had flaws. O'Neill once gave a heartfelt speech to the effect of 'we will mess up a lot as a species, but we are out here with you now and we are trying our best'. As he made it to the Asgard they were very approving.

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* The Ancients (despite being humanity's progenitors) and the Nox, super advanced alien races in the ''Series/StargateVerse'', ''Franchise/StargateVerse'', seemed to hold the fact that humanity was flawed against the SG-C, seizing on the slightest issue to deliver some moralizing message or condemnation (sometimes appropriate to the situation, but often not). Made worse by the [[NeglectfulPrecursors Ancients]] being a bunch of expletives anyway. By way of contrast the Asgard were both friendly and helpful despite knowing humanity was flawed, likely because unlike the other two they admitted they too had flaws. O'Neill once gave a heartfelt speech to the effect of 'we will mess up a lot as a species, but we are out here with you now and we are trying our best'. As he made it to the Asgard they were very approving.
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-->'''The Lizard''': I sought to create a stronger human being, but there's no such thing! Human beings are weak, pathetic, feeble-minded creatures... why be human at all, when we can be so much ''more''?
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* ''Literature/LilithsBrood'': According to the {{Cthulhumanoid}} Oankali geneticists who rescue a remnant of humanity AfterTheEnd, the "Human Contradiction" is that they possess both advanced intelligence and an animalistic drive to form social hierarchies, which will inevitably lead humanity to destroy itself again.
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* In ''[[Literature/{{Chalion}} Paladin of Souls]]'', when Ista is trying to unravel demons from the human souls they're possessing, she's worried that she's not getting them perfectly sorted out. Her god chimes in with some reassurance.
-->'''Ista:''' It is imperfect.
-->'''The Bastard:''' So are all things trapped in time. You are brilliant, nonetheless. How fortunate for Us that We thirst for glorious souls rather than faultless ones, or We should be parched indeed, and most lonely in Our perfect righteousness. Carry on imperfectly, shining Ista.
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* A similar theme comes up in ''Fanfic/TheConversionBureauTheOtherSideOfTheSpectrum'' - humanity's [[HumansAreWarriors sheer savagery in the ways of war]] is extensively explored, and it's clear that there are some legitimately bad people out there...however, much like Yellowstone above, it's also made very clear that humans HadToBeSharp to survive a much harsher world, and the great tragedy underlying the story is that it's very clear humanity and ponykind could accomplish so many amazing things together (and ''have''), but some adamantly refuse to believe it's possible. At the same time though, it's also made clear that [[spoiler:the majority of the ponies (including TCB!Celestia herself) were brainwashed into hating humanity because the story's BiggerBad is engineering a plot to [[DisproportionateRetribution punish the whole human race as revenge]] for being beaten by ''one'' single human in the distant past]].

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* A similar theme comes up in ''Fanfic/TheConversionBureauTheOtherSideOfTheSpectrum'' - humanity's [[HumansAreWarriors sheer savagery in the ways of war]] is extensively explored, and it's clear that there are some legitimately bad people out there...however, much like Yellowstone above, it's also made very clear that humans HadToBeSharp to survive a much harsher world, and the great tragedy underlying the story is that it's very clear humanity and ponykind could accomplish so many amazing things together (and ''have''), but some adamantly refuse to believe it's possible. At the same time though, it's also made clear that [[spoiler:the majority of the ponies (including TCB!Celestia TCB Celestia herself) were brainwashed into hating humanity because the story's BiggerBad TheManBehindTheMan is engineering a plot to [[DisproportionateRetribution punish the whole human race as revenge]] for being beaten by ''one'' single human in the distant past]].
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* ''Music/KidsPraise'': It's not uncommon for characters (even Psalty himself!) to display flaws, such as selfishness, lack of empathy, or not having their priorities straight. How they and those around them deal with those flaws is a common recurring theme.
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* ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderMan'': The starting point of Dr. Connors' research; he longs to create a world in which everyone is equal, a world in which illness and weakness don't exist. At the height of his insanity, he comes to the conclusion that humans are so imperfect that it's not right to leave them unevolved.
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* Humans are portrayed as this throughout much of the ''VideoGame/MegaMan'' franchise. While are there are undeniably heroic humans such as [[VideoGame/MegaManClassic Dr. Light]], [[VideoGame/MegaManX Cain]] and [[VideoGame/MegaManZero Ciel]], every conflict in nearly the entire timeline ultimately stems from Dr. Wily's petty feud with Light, and other villains such as Sigma and Dr. Weil hold unabashed HumansAreBastards viewpoints [[spoiler: even though Weil is a human himself and gleefully indulges in his CardCarryingVillain status.]] Humans are also portrayed as becoming increasingly complacent and reliant on machines, to the point that Zero expresses disgust with the citizens of Neo Arcadia for mindlessly perpetuating an oppressive dictatorship simply because it fulfills their basic needs. Ultimately, though, X continues to maintain hope for humanity, and Zero tries helps him realize his vision of true peace between humans and reploids out of respect.

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* Humans are portrayed as this throughout much of the ''VideoGame/MegaMan'' franchise. While are there are undeniably heroic humans such as [[VideoGame/MegaManClassic Dr. Light]], [[VideoGame/MegaManX Cain]] and [[VideoGame/MegaManZero Ciel]], every conflict in nearly the entire timeline ultimately stems from Dr. Wily's petty feud with Light, and other villains such as Sigma and Dr. Weil hold unabashed HumansAreBastards viewpoints [[spoiler: even though Weil is a human himself and gleefully indulges in his CardCarryingVillain status.]] Humans are also portrayed as becoming increasingly complacent and reliant on machines, to the point that Zero expresses disgust with the citizens of Neo Arcadia for mindlessly perpetuating tolerating an oppressive dictatorship simply because it fulfills their basic needs. Ultimately, though, X continues to maintain hope for humanity, and Zero tries helps him realize his vision of true peace between humans and reploids out of respect.
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* Humans are portrayed as this throughout much of the ''VideoGame/MegaMan'' franchise. While are there are undeniably heroic humans such as [[VideoGame/MegaManClassic Dr. Light]], [[VideoGame/MegaManX Cain]] and [[VideoGame/MegaManZero Ciel]], every conflict in nearly the entire timeline ultimately stems from Dr. Wily's petty feud with Light, and other villains such as Sigma and Dr. Weil hold unabashed HumansAreBastards viewpoints [[spoiler: even though Weil is a human himself and gleefully indulges in his CardCarryingVillain status.]] Humans are also portrayed as becoming increasingly complacent and reliant on machines, to the point that Zero expresses disgust with the citizens of Neo Arcadia for mindlessly perpetuating an oppressive dictatorship simply because it fulfills their basic needs. Ultimately, though, X continues to maintain hope for humanity, and Zero tries helps him realize his vision of true peace between humans and reploids out of respect.
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* ''Webcomic/KillSixBillionDemons'': The vast majority of races in the multiverse were created by the smith-god Koss. They are immortal, reincarnate in various forms, and are all built for a single specific purpose. Humans, however, were simply the result of the goddess Aesma getting jealous and deciding to create her own race to prove she was better than Koss. Humans are short-lived, cannot reincarnate, and have no specific purpose. However, this also means that they have nearly unlimited potential. Notably, of the seven [[GodEmperor Demiurges]] who rule the multiverse, six are human. The seventh is a massive dragon, and is by far the physically weakest; most of his power comes from the fact that he maintains the economy for all of Creation.
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->'''Lucifer:''' They are broken, flawed abortions!\\
'''Gabriel:''' Damn right, they're flawed! But a lot of them try... to do better... to forgive.

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'''Gabriel:''' '''[[ArchangelGabriel Gabriel]]:''' Damn right, they're flawed! But a lot of them try... to do better... to forgive.
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* ''VideoGame/KidIcarusUprising'' has this as its hat, with most of the gods having various negative opinions on humanity. [[GodOfEvil Medusa]] sees them as playthings and vermin to crush under her heel. Poseidon sees them as prideful, envious, and deceitful beings who need to be put in their place when they get too uppity. [[spoiler:[[GaiasVengeance Viridi]]]] sees them as destructive to both themselves and the planet and wants to wipe them out to protect the world. [[spoiler:[[BigBad Hades]]]] refers to them as greedy beings who will happily fight and kill each other for their desires and his own entertainment. Even [[GodIsGood Palutena]] refers to them as greedy and selfish beings driven by desires, but unlike the other gods is willing to admit that [[GodIsFlawed the gods aren't so different]] and whenever the gods fight, humans are always the innocent bystanders caught in the cross-fire.
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* In the ''[[Franchise/ShinMegamiTenseiPersona Persona]]'' series, every major divine being is an AnthropomorphicPersonification of something within the human heart (be it our good constructive parts ([[VideoGame/{{Persona}} Philemon]]) or our fear of yet subconsious longing for death ([[spoiler: [[VideoGame/Persona3 Nyx]]]]). The {{Aesop}} of the franchise can pretty much be said to be that we humans are flawed but that we can overcome them.

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* In the ''[[Franchise/ShinMegamiTenseiPersona Persona]]'' series, every major divine being is an AnthropomorphicPersonification of something within the human heart (be it our good constructive parts ([[VideoGame/{{Persona}} Philemon]]) or our fear of yet subconsious longing for death ([[spoiler: [[VideoGame/Persona3 ([[spoiler:[[VideoGame/Persona3 Nyx]]]]). The {{Aesop}} of the franchise can pretty much be said to be that we humans are flawed but that we can overcome them.
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* ''WebAnimation/{{Dreamscape}}'': The attitude of humanity towards [[EldritchAbomination beings]] like Keedran has made her a KnightInSourArmor, but she still protects humanity because its her job as a protector of the planet, not because people like her.
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* A major theme in ''Manga/{{Devilman}}'' is that humans can be just as cruel and bloodthirsty as the nearly AlwaysChaoticEvil demons that serve as the villains of the show, especially when driven mad with fear and paranoia.
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** [[spoiler: Metatron]] also subverts it when talking to [[spoiler: God]], as he says that while humanity cheats and steals and destroys, they also give and create and sing and dance, and above all, they never give up.
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** In terms of mankind specifically, this is the opinion of the [[OurElvesAreBetter races of Mer (Elves)]] along with thinking that HumansAreBastards. To the elves, mankind lives pitifully short lives filled with violence and savagery. Their version of the CreationMyth even states that mankind was specifically created out of the "weakest souls" to ''be'' bastards by a JerkassGod.

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** In terms of mankind specifically, this is the opinion of the [[OurElvesAreBetter races of Mer (Elves)]] along with thinking that HumansAreBastards. To the elves, mankind lives pitifully [[WeAreAsMayflies short lives lives]] filled with [[HumansAreWarriors violence and savagery.savagery]]. Their version of the CreationMyth even states that mankind was specifically created out of the "weakest souls" to ''be'' bastards by a JerkassGod.
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[[BeingHumanSucks Humans suck]]. Their narcissism knows no bounds, their moral sense is hazy at best, their physical prowess is a joke, they're all paradoxically [[HumansAreMorons too stupid]] to handle [[TooCleverByHalf their vast intelligence]], and to top it all off, [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking they]] [[HumansAreUgly don't look]] [[HumansAreSmelly or smell]] [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking too good, either]].

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[[BeingHumanSucks Humans suck]]. Their narcissism knows no bounds, their moral sense is hazy at best, they kill each other over the littlest slight, their physical prowess is a joke, they're all paradoxically [[HumansAreMorons too stupid]] to handle [[TooCleverByHalf their vast intelligence]], and to top it all off, [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking they]] [[HumansAreUgly don't look]] [[HumansAreSmelly or smell]] [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking too good, either]].
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* ''Fanfic/PokemonResetBloodlines'' has this as a subtle theme across the universe. For all of humanities faults it is capable of, and has, improved.

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* In ''VideoGame/TheElderScrolls'' series the Daedra are of this opinion with regards to the mortal races. They perceive mortals as weak, foolish, and doomed from birth. What they cannot understand is why, despite knowing their lives are finite, mortals do not despair.

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the Daedra are of this opinion with regards to (both the mortal races.[[OurGodsAreDifferent Daedric Princes]] and [[OurDemonsAreDifferent lesser Daedra]]) toward mortals. They perceive mortals as weak, foolish, and doomed from birth. What they cannot understand is why, despite knowing their lives are finite, mortals do not despair.despair.
** The Magna-Ge, aka "Star Orphans", are et'Ada ("original spirits") who [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere fled during the creation of Mundus]] (the mortal plane) along with their "father" Magnus after realizing the sacrifices it would take to create. They too have a rather low opinion of mortals, calling them "M-Null", while believing they are "affected by tainted magic" and owe their growth and prosperity to greater beings.
** In terms of mankind specifically, this is the opinion of the [[OurElvesAreBetter races of Mer (Elves)]] along with thinking that HumansAreBastards. To the elves, mankind lives pitifully short lives filled with violence and savagery. Their version of the CreationMyth even states that mankind was specifically created out of the "weakest souls" to ''be'' bastards by a JerkassGod.

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