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11th Apr '17 8:48:04 AM infernape612
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** In ''VideoGame/{{Persona 2}}'' [[spoiler: it turns out the events of these games and the original ''VideoGame/{{Persona}}'' were actually a version of this -- a contest between the {{AnthropomorphicPersonifications}} of human strength and weakness as manifested by humanity's collective unconscious to see which is truly more powerful.]]

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** In ''VideoGame/{{Persona 2}}'' [[spoiler: it turns out the events of these games and the original ''VideoGame/{{Persona}}'' were actually a version of this -- a contest between the {{AnthropomorphicPersonifications}} {{Anthropomorphic Personification}}s of human strength and weakness as manifested by humanity's collective unconscious to see which is truly more powerful.]]



* The ''Devil Survivor'' series:
** ''VideoGame/DevilSurvivor'': [[spoiler: If you screw up, humanity loses its free will. If you really screw up, humanity is left in the ruins of its world with demons running everywhere. An unusual example in that the trial is also largely justified, given that humans not only struck first (and intentionally) but are risking taking down their own universe in the process.]]

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* The ''Devil Survivor'' series:
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''VideoGame/DevilSurvivor'': [[spoiler: [[spoiler:The entire crisis is God testing humanity to see whether they are still worthy of free will. If you screw up, humanity loses its free will.comes underthe rule of God. If you really screw up, humanity is left in the ruins of its world with demons running everywhere. An unusual example in that the trial is also largely justified, given that humans not only struck first (and intentionally) but are risking taking down their own universe in the process.]]
31st Mar '17 2:46:59 AM justanid
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The hypocrisy of wiping out a fellow sapient species just because it suits them is rarely addressed, which especially ironic if the aliens [[HumansAreCthulhu list this among humanity's crimes]]. If it is, it's justified with HumansAreTheRealMonsters, the only sentient race in the whole universe that does dirty things like cheating, lying, [[ApeShallNeverKillApe murdering]], etc. The accusing aliens may have long ago overcome such behaviors (though one sympathetic advocate might ask, "[[NotSoDifferent Were we so different, at their age?]]"), but they may even drop the bombshell that they ''never'' suffered from them in the first place, and have always been a [[MarySuetopia utopian, perfect race that never as much as littered]]. The accuser also ignores the oddity of punishing an entire species for crimes against itself.

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The hypocrisy of wiping out a fellow sapient species just because it suits them is rarely addressed, which this is especially ironic hypocritical if the aliens [[HumansAreCthulhu list this among humanity's crimes]]. If it is, it's crimes. It's often justified with HumansAreTheRealMonsters, being the only sentient race in the whole universe that does dirty things like cheating, lying, [[ApeShallNeverKillApe murdering]], [[HumansAreFlawed lying]], [[HumansAreBastards murder]], [[HumansAreWarriors war]], etc. The accusing aliens may have long ago [[ApeShallNeverKillApe overcome such behaviors behaviors]] (though one sympathetic advocate might ask, "[[NotSoDifferent Were [[NotSoDifferent "Were we so different, at their age?]]"), age?"]]), but they may even drop the bombshell that they ''never'' suffered from them in the first place, and have always been a [[MarySuetopia utopian, perfect race that never as much as littered]]. The accuser also ignores the oddity of punishing an entire species for crimes against itself.
28th Mar '17 7:24:58 PM DustSnitch
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** This is also subverted, as the Bible also states that each individual human is on trial for their own sins (not '''just''' the original sin), and (apart from the aforementioned exception) [[HumansAreBastards all humans]], [[HistoryRepeats past, present and future]], [[HumansAreFlawed have sinned in some form or another]]. Since [[HumansAreFlawed humanity]] [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption is not capable of overcoming sin on our own]], and God didn't want us all to condemn ourselves to [[AndIMustScream Hell]], He [[TakeAThirdOption gave us]] [[{{Jesus}} a way out]].

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** This is also subverted, as the Bible also states that each individual human is on trial for their own sins (not '''just''' the original sin), and (apart from the aforementioned exception) [[HumansAreBastards all humans]], [[HistoryRepeats past, present and future]], [[HumansAreFlawed have sinned in some form or another]]. Since [[HumansAreFlawed humanity]] [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption is not capable of overcoming sin on our own]], and God didn't want us all to condemn ourselves to [[AndIMustScream Hell]], He [[TakeAThirdOption gave us]] [[{{Jesus}} [[UsefulNotes/{{Jesus}} a way out]].
22nd Mar '17 7:00:59 AM hszmv1
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** In the latter episode, Picard points out that Q did this once. Q counters by revealing that the trial from the first episode and the one in the last episode are the same trial. It never ended (implying that the 7 year series was all part of the trial as well).


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** Zigzagged would be a better adjective. They didn't put him on Trial, the recurring Q (John DeLancy) is putting him on trial. Voyager is defending him and his right... to commit suicide. So, its a trial where the prosecution is bringing up examples to justify that the gods are necessary to humanity and thus humans shouldn't tolerate when a god wants to not exist any more as a matter of his own personal choice.
17th Feb '17 4:45:54 PM xelldx
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* The Celestials of the Franchise/MarvelUniverse go around seeding life on worlds. Occasionally they visit and judge them with their own mysterious criteria. Those races that don't pass the test die. And yes, humanity is one of those races, and the Celestials did almost execute them. And nothing's stopping them from making a repeat visit down the line either. [[spoiler: At least until [[ComicBook/SecretWars2015 The Beyonders came and massacred the Celestials]]. And then[[ComicBook/TheUltimates2015 LOGOS]] [[FromBadToWorse arrives to finish the job.]] ]]

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* The Celestials of the Franchise/MarvelUniverse go around seeding life on worlds. Occasionally they visit and judge them with their own mysterious criteria. Those races that don't pass the test die. And yes, humanity is one of those races, and the Celestials did almost execute them. And nothing's stopping them from making a repeat visit down the line either. [[spoiler: At least until [[ComicBook/SecretWars2015 The Beyonders came and massacred the Celestials]]. And then[[ComicBook/TheUltimates2015 then [[ComicBook/TheUltimates2015 LOGOS]] [[FromBadToWorse arrives to finish the job.]] ]]
17th Feb '17 4:44:35 PM xelldx
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* The Celestials of the Franchise/MarvelUniverse go around seeding life on worlds. Occasionally they visit and judge them with their own mysterious criteria. Those races that don't pass the test die. And yes, humanity is one of those races, and the Celestials did almost execute them. And nothing's stopping them from making a repeat visit down the line either. [[spoiler: At least until [[ComicBook/SecretWars2015 The Beyonders came and massacred the Celestials]]. ]]

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* The Celestials of the Franchise/MarvelUniverse go around seeding life on worlds. Occasionally they visit and judge them with their own mysterious criteria. Those races that don't pass the test die. And yes, humanity is one of those races, and the Celestials did almost execute them. And nothing's stopping them from making a repeat visit down the line either. [[spoiler: At least until [[ComicBook/SecretWars2015 The Beyonders came and massacred the Celestials]]. And then[[ComicBook/TheUltimates2015 LOGOS]] [[FromBadToWorse arrives to finish the job.]] ]]
5th Feb '17 12:23:14 PM tkzv
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* In one of his journeys Creator/StanislawLem's Ijon Tichy from ''Literature/TheStarDiaries'' represents Earth before some kind of parliament of an interstellar Federation. The Earthlings are found guilty of killing and consuming living organisms, both animals and plants, which is highly immoral by the Galactic norms. But Earthlings are viewed not as criminals, but as miserable cripples, and the real culprits are an [[NeglectfulPrecursors ancient (but extant) race]] whose starship left organic waste on an uninhabited planet allowing such a perverted life to evolve. [[spoiler:[[AllJustADream Then Ijon Tichy wakes up]].]]

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* In one of his journeys Creator/StanislawLem's Ijon Tichy from ''Literature/TheStarDiaries'' represents Earth before some kind of parliament of an interstellar Federation. The Earthlings are found guilty of killing and consuming living organisms, both animals and plants, which is highly immoral by the Galactic norms. But Earthlings are viewed not as criminals, but as miserable cripples, cripples and the victims. The real culprits are an [[NeglectfulPrecursors ancient (but extant) race]] whose starship left organic waste on an uninhabited a planet poorly suitable for life, allowing such a perverted life to evolve. [[spoiler:[[AllJustADream Then Ijon Tichy wakes up]].]]
5th Jan '17 11:59:06 PM LovePsychothefirst
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* It is eventually revealed that the whole entire plot revolves around one of these in ''VideoGame/TalesOfXillia2''. It has been going on for ''centuries'' and is reaching the point of no return when [[SilentProtagonist Ludger]] [[TheChosenOne Kresnik]] gets involved, dragging the previous game's cast along with him. Oh, and one of the trial runners is [[MovingTheGoalPosts rigging]] it. [[spoiler: Whether they pass it or get off on a technicality ([[BadEnding or you screw it over]]) depends on the player's choice at the end of the game.]]
5th Jan '17 2:07:06 PM xelldx
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* The Celestials of the Franchise/MarvelUniverse go around seeding life on worlds. Occasionally they visit and judge them with their own mysterious criteria. Those races that don't pass the test die. And yes, humanity is one of those races, and the Celestials did almost execute them. And nothing's stopping them from making a repeat visit down the line either.

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* The Celestials of the Franchise/MarvelUniverse go around seeding life on worlds. Occasionally they visit and judge them with their own mysterious criteria. Those races that don't pass the test die. And yes, humanity is one of those races, and the Celestials did almost execute them. And nothing's stopping them from making a repeat visit down the line either. [[spoiler: At least until [[ComicBook/SecretWars2015 The Beyonders came and massacred the Celestials]]. ]]
10th Nov '16 4:53:30 PM Nightsky
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The {{Sufficiently Advanced Alien}}s are not pleased. The human race has been warring, polluting, nuclear-bombing, and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking not looking both ways before crossing the street.]] So now, they've come to put HumanityOnTrial.

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The {{Sufficiently Advanced Alien}}s are not pleased. The human race has been warring, polluting, nuclear-bombing, and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking not looking both ways before crossing the street.]] So now, they've come to put HumanityOnTrial.
humanity on trial.
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