History Main / HistoricalVillainDowngrade

7th Jul '17 12:20:31 AM Fireblood
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* ''Film/KingdomOfHeaven'' has various Historical [[HistoricalHeroUpgrade Upgrades]] and [[HistoricalVillainUpgrade Downgrades]] abound. The film's portrayal of Reynauld de Chatillon, however, was if anything too mild. He's portrayed as Guy's dragon, whereas in real life the two men hated each other, and the film leaves out the fact that he led a Pirate fleet that threatened to burn down Mecca and that he flayed the Patriarch Of Antioch alive. This is one of the most common criticisms by critics, since these elements [[RealityIsUnrealistic could've made it a much more interesting story.]]

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* ''Film/KingdomOfHeaven'' has various Historical [[HistoricalHeroUpgrade Upgrades]] and [[HistoricalVillainUpgrade Downgrades]] abound. The film's portrayal of Reynauld de Chatillon, however, was if anything too mild. He's portrayed as Guy's dragon, whereas in real life the two men hated each other, and the film leaves out the fact that he led a Pirate pirate fleet that threatened to burn down Mecca and that he flayed the Patriarch Of Antioch alive. This is one of the most common criticisms by critics, since these elements [[RealityIsUnrealistic could've made it a much more interesting story.]]



* ''Film/BirdmanOfAlcatraz'' portrayed Robert Franklin Stroud as orders of magnitude gentler than his prison records show. Of course, [[RealityIsUnrealistic it would be very hard to buy the idea of a world-renowned bird scholar also being a murderer and child pornographer]], even if you did want to vilify him.

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* ''Film/BirdmanOfAlcatraz'' portrayed Robert Franklin Stroud as orders of magnitude gentler than his prison records show. Of course, [[RealityIsUnrealistic it would be very hard to buy the idea of a world-renowned bird scholar also being a sadistic murderer and child pornographer]], even if you did want to vilify him.


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* ''Film/TheMessengerTheStoryOfJoanOfArc'': Pierre Couchon is here portrayed as trying to save Jeanne, and somewhat sympathizing with her. There is no historical evidence of this-much the opposite
30th Jun '17 5:16:59 PM AmbarSonofDeshar
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Note that this trope ''isn't'' similar to HistoricalHeroUpgrade. HistoricalHeroUpgrade is when you turn an HistoricalDomainCharacter (wether he was really nice or not) into a full-on Hollywood-style hero. HistoricalVillainDowngrade is when you tone down some of the worst actions of your HistoricalDomainCharacter, but keep him as a villain.

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Note that this trope ''isn't'' similar to the same as HistoricalHeroUpgrade. HistoricalHeroUpgrade is when you turn an HistoricalDomainCharacter (wether (whether he was really nice or not) into a full-on Hollywood-style hero. HistoricalVillainDowngrade is when you tone down some of the worst actions of your HistoricalDomainCharacter, but keep him as a villain.
17th Jun '17 5:14:41 AM rufusluciusivan
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* The Nazis in ''Film/BedknobsAndBroomsticks'' are, of course, the bad guys. However, since this is a Disney film aimed at children, they aren't shown doing much real warfare or [[FinalSolution any of the other things they were infamous for]]. Even though, during the climax, a battalion of them is conducting a small-scale invasion / operation of sabotage on British soil, they never use their weapons on a human. The climactic battle is fought against possessed armors and furnitures.

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* The Nazis in ''Film/BedknobsAndBroomsticks'' are, of course, the bad guys. However, since this is a Disney film aimed at children, they aren't shown doing much real warfare or [[FinalSolution any of the other things they were infamous for]]. Even though, during the climax, a battalion of them is conducting a small-scale invasion / operation of sabotage on British soil, they never directly use their weapons on a human. The climactic battle is fought against possessed armors and furnitures.
17th Jun '17 5:11:08 AM rufusluciusivan
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* The Nazis in ''Film/BedknobsAndBroomsticks'' are, of course, the bad guys. However, since this is a Disney film aimed at children, they aren't shown doing much real warfare or [[FinalSolution any of the other things they were infamous for]]. Even though, during the climax, a battalion of them is conducting a small-scale invasion / operation of sabotage on British soil, they never use their weapons on a human. The climactic battle is fought against possessed armors and furnitures.
4th Jun '17 8:52:19 AM ElSquibbonator
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* Nero appeared on one of Sherman and Peabody's segments of ''WesternAnimation/TheAdventuresOfRockyAndBullwinkle'', where he was presented as NotEvilJustMisunderstood. [[spoiler:His ''music teacher'' started the Great Fire of Rome in this reality.]] Ironically this is actually close to being TruthInTelevision, since many historians today believe Nero actually ''didn't'' start the Great Fire of Rome.

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* Nero appeared on one of Sherman and Peabody's segments of ''WesternAnimation/TheAdventuresOfRockyAndBullwinkle'', where he was presented as NotEvilJustMisunderstood. [[spoiler:His ''music teacher'' started the Great Fire of Rome in this reality.]] Ironically this is actually close to being TruthInTelevision, since many historians today believe Nero actually ''didn't'' start the Great Fire of Rome.
4th Jun '17 8:50:39 AM ElSquibbonator
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* Nero appeared on one of Sherman and Peabody's segments of ''WesternAnimation/TheAdventuresOfRockyAndBullwinkle'', where he was presented as NotEvilJustMisunderstood. [[spoiler:His ''music teacher'' started the Great Fire of Rome in this reality.]]

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* Nero appeared on one of Sherman and Peabody's segments of ''WesternAnimation/TheAdventuresOfRockyAndBullwinkle'', where he was presented as NotEvilJustMisunderstood. [[spoiler:His ''music teacher'' started the Great Fire of Rome in this reality.]]]] Ironically this is actually close to being TruthInTelevision, since many historians today believe Nero actually ''didn't'' start the Great Fire of Rome.
7th Apr '17 12:33:45 PM RaiderDuck
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* The Netflix Series ''TheCrown2016'' eliminated the pro-Nazi sensibilities (or at least ambivalence towards Hitler) of Edward VIII and Wallis Warfield Simpson.
21st Mar '17 8:29:58 PM AnotherGuy
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* Alan Alda's ''Sweet Liberty'' had the author of a book about the Revolutionary War upset that they were making the sadistic Green Dragoon Banastre Tarleton a romantic lead. Ironically, ''Film/ThePatriot'' did the reverse - see HistoricalVillainUpgrade.
17th Feb '17 8:02:20 PM bt8257
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That's where the HistoricalVillainDowngrade comes in. You don't need to dwell, for example, on the fact that UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler was responsible for a systematic genocide that resulted in almost twelve million deaths; it is enough for audiences to know that he was a Very Bad Man. Likewise, you might present Emperor UsefulNotes/{{Caligula}} as a lech with a [[AGodAmI god complex]]. No need to get into the {{squick}}y details of his life.

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That's where the HistoricalVillainDowngrade comes in. You don't need to dwell, for example, on the fact that UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler was responsible for a systematic genocide that resulted in almost twelve million deaths; it is enough for audiences to know that he was a Very Bad Man. Likewise, you might present Emperor UsefulNotes/{{Caligula}} as a lech with a [[AGodAmI god complex]]. No need to get into the {{squick}}y details of his life.
13th Feb '17 5:33:26 PM thatother1dude
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* ''{{Film/Black Mass}}'' portrays [[PsychoSupporter Steve Flemmi]] as considerably more conflicted about his role in the Winter Hill Gang than he actually was, and according to many people who knew him, including former associate Kevin Weeks, he ''enjoyed'' murder.

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* ''{{Film/Black Mass}}'' portrays [[PsychoSupporter Steve Flemmi]] as considerably more conflicted about his role in the Winter Hill Gang than he actually was, and according was. According to many people who knew him, including former associate Kevin Weeks, he the real Flemmi ''enjoyed'' murder.
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