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27th Aug '17 9:43:20 AM MarqFJA
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The solution? Heads I Win Tails You Lose! If you die, you get a GameOver. No surprise there, right?

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The solution? Heads I Win Win, Tails You Lose! If you die, you get a GameOver. No surprise there, right?
4th Aug '17 1:30:46 PM GrammarNavi
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* In ''VideoGame/AceCombatZero'', Mission 12, you have to shoot down a squadron of Belkan BM-335 bombers supposedly carrying nuclear payloads. If one gets away, it's mission failure. If you shoot them all down, you are exposed to a plot-central nuclear explosion that you just tried to prevent.

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* In ''VideoGame/AceCombatZero'', ''VideoGame/AceCombatZeroTheBelkanWar'', Mission 12, you have to shoot down a squadron of Belkan BM-335 bombers supposedly carrying nuclear payloads. If one gets away, it's mission failure. If you shoot them all down, you are exposed to a plot-central nuclear explosion that you just tried to prevent.
25th May '17 8:16:26 AM CosmicFerret
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* In ''VideoGame/SuperStarWars: TheEmpireStrikesBack'', once you "defeat" Vader, he chops off Luke's hand, [[DoomedByCanon just like in the film]].

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* In ''VideoGame/SuperStarWars: TheEmpireStrikesBack'', Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack'', once you "defeat" Vader, he chops off Luke's hand, [[DoomedByCanon just like in the film]].
16th May '17 7:29:41 PM nombretomado
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* In the last mission of the Hierarchy campaign of ''UniverseAtWar'' your mission is to defeat a single boss unit. No matter what force you have at the end of the battle the cutscene shows your army defeated by the enemy forces and the boss killing you.

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* In the last mission of the Hierarchy campaign of ''UniverseAtWar'' ''VideoGame/UniverseAtWar'' your mission is to defeat a single boss unit. No matter what force you have at the end of the battle the cutscene shows your army defeated by the enemy forces and the boss killing you.
30th Apr '17 6:49:50 AM Flame
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* Film example: Strange's final bargain with [[spoiler:Dormammu]] in ''Film/DoctorStrange2016'' is this. [[spoiler:Either [[AndIMustScream he traps Dormammu with him in a timeloop forever]], or [[RageQuit Dormammu relents and gives Strange what he wants]].]]
* [[ScoobyDoo Shaggy said this to Scooby once]] [[OlderThanTheyThink during a coin toss.]]
** They also do this to Velma in one of the movies, which she lampshades.

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* Film example: Strange's final bargain with [[spoiler:Dormammu]] in ''Film/DoctorStrange2016'' is this. [[spoiler:Either [[AndIMustScream he traps Dormammu with him in a timeloop forever]], or [[RageQuit Dormammu relents and gives Strange what he wants]].]]
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* [[ScoobyDoo Shaggy said ''Series/KamenRiderExAid'': Kuroto Dan has this as his M.O. Pretty much everything the Doctor riders ever did through the first and second act falls into his plans somehow.
** Pallad pulls this in #29, when [[spoiler: he gets Emu
to Scooby once]] [[OlderThanTheyThink during a coin toss.use Maximum Mighty Action X (and thus reprogramming on him), making him compactible with Gamer Driver. Things go down even steeper hill afterwards than before.]]
** They also do this to Velma in one of the movies, which she lampshades.[[/folder]]
29th Apr '17 11:57:00 PM schoi30
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** They also do this to Velma in one of the movies, which she lampshades.
12th Mar '17 11:08:56 PM lalalei2001
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* The DS remake of ''VideoGame/ChronoTrigger'' does this with the [[BonusBoss Dream devourer]], lose and it's game over, win and the dream devourer just knocks you out anyway and you only survive because Schala manages to regain control temporarily and warps you out.

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* The DS remake of ''VideoGame/ChronoTrigger'' does this with the [[BonusBoss Dream devourer]], lose Devourer]]. Lose and it's game over, win and the dream devourer Dream Devourer just knocks you out anyway and you only survive because Schala manages to regain control temporarily and warps you out.
12th Mar '17 11:08:24 PM lalalei2001
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* The first fight against Kai Leng in ''VideoGame/MassEffect3''. Lose and its game over. Win and [[spoiler:he has a gunship destroy the temple you're fighting in, steals the data both of you are after and escapes while you're busy trying to avoid falling to your death.]]

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* The first fight against Kai Leng in ''VideoGame/MassEffect3''. Lose and its it's game over. Win and [[spoiler:he has a gunship destroy the temple you're fighting in, steals the data both of you are after and escapes while you're busy trying to avoid falling to your death.]]



* There are a few boss battles like this in ''VideoGame/DuelSaviorDestiny''. For example, if you loser while using [[spoiler:Lily Sheerfield]] against [[spoiler:Downy Reed]] in the final route, you get a game over. If you win, your character still gets booted off into an alternate dimension until the endgame and the baddie walks back into the throne room to be a boss fight ''again'', except this time you have to win with an even weaker character. He's still not dead after that either.

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* There are a few boss battles like this in ''VideoGame/DuelSaviorDestiny''. For example, if you loser lose while using [[spoiler:Lily Sheerfield]] against [[spoiler:Downy Reed]] in the final route, you get a game over. If you win, your character still gets booted off into an alternate dimension until the endgame and the baddie walks back into the throne room to be a boss fight ''again'', except this time you have to win with an even weaker character. He's still not dead after that either.
12th Mar '17 11:08:08 PM lalalei2001
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* The penultimate battle against Bowletta in ''VideoGame/MarioAndLuigiSuperstarSaga'': If you lose, it's game over. What happens if you win? A timed bob-omb appears near the brothers and explodes, killing them instantly. Then Bowletta sucks them both up, lunging the brothers with only 1 HP each into the final battle with [[BattleInTheCenterOfTheMind the spirit of Cackletta inside of him]].

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* The penultimate battle against Bowletta in ''VideoGame/MarioAndLuigiSuperstarSaga'': ''VideoGame/MarioAndLuigiSuperstarSaga''. If you lose, it's game over. What happens if If you win? A timed bob-omb win, a Time Bob-omb appears near the brothers and explodes, killing knocking them out instantly. Then Bowletta sucks them both up, lunging plunging the brothers with only 1 HP each into the final battle with [[BattleInTheCenterOfTheMind the spirit of Cackletta inside of him]].Bowser]].
12th Mar '17 4:45:47 PM BreakinBenny
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* ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamAsylum'' has Franchise/{{Batman}} trying to save [[spoiler: Dr. Young from Zsasz. You have to take Zsasz down stealthily; if you wait too long or rush into the room, he will slit her throat. Immediately after you save her, Dr. Young gets killed in the following cutscene.]]
** That said, it still works in a narrative sense, as [[spoiler: you need her help to locate and unlock the safe to get the documents inside - without her, odds are that Batman would have been the one to take the explosives to the face]].
** Oh, its much worse than that - [[spoiler: With the exceptions of Commissioner Gordon, Aaron Cash and various guards scattered throughout the game and Warden Quincy Sharp, ''every'' hostage in the game you save will die later offscreen. You save them, tell them to stay put and hide somewhere, and when you pass through that location again you can find their corpses, killed by the Joker's crew, even they did exactly what Batman told them to and hid. To twist the knife further, the aforementioned Warden Sharp turns out to be an AxCrazy KnightTemplar who has been having patients tortured and killed; when you go back to where you left ''him'', he has simply vanished, and in the sequel is actually the Mayor after taking the credit for Batman saving the day (though this KarmaHoudini turn is mitigated somewhat when the sequel shows he was also BrainwashedAndCrazy).]]
* ''VideoGame/{{Mother 3}}'' has "Master Eddy," an unavoidable boss battle at the end of the [[UnderTheSea ocean]]. Losing to him results in a standard GameOver. [[LastDitchMove Do enough damage, and he will release a massive attack]] which will cause you to "lose" and wash up on a certain island.

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* ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamAsylum'' has Franchise/{{Batman}} trying to save [[spoiler: Dr.[[spoiler:Dr. Young from Zsasz. You have to take Zsasz down stealthily; if you wait too long or rush into the room, he will slit her throat. Immediately after you save her, Dr. Young gets killed in the following cutscene.]]
** That said, it still works in a narrative sense, as [[spoiler: you [[spoiler:you need her help to locate and unlock the safe to get the documents inside - without her, odds are that Batman would have been the one to take the explosives to the face]].
** Oh, its much worse than that - [[spoiler: With [[spoiler:With the exceptions of Commissioner Gordon, Aaron Cash and various guards scattered throughout the game and Warden Quincy Sharp, ''every'' hostage in the game you save will die later offscreen. You save them, tell them to stay put and hide somewhere, and when you pass through that location again you can find their corpses, killed by the Joker's crew, even they did exactly what Batman told them to and hid. To twist the knife further, the aforementioned Warden Sharp turns out to be an AxCrazy KnightTemplar who has been having patients tortured and killed; when you go back to where you left ''him'', he has simply vanished, and in the sequel is actually the Mayor after taking the credit for Batman saving the day (though this KarmaHoudini turn is mitigated somewhat when the sequel shows he was also BrainwashedAndCrazy).]]
* ''VideoGame/{{Mother 3}}'' has "Master Eddy," an unavoidable boss battle at the end of the [[UnderTheSea ocean]]. Losing to him results in a standard GameOver. [[LastDitchMove Do enough damage, and he will release a massive attack]] which will cause you to "lose" end the battle and wash the party up on a certain island.



* ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaSymphonyOfTheNight'' has the penultimate fight against [[spoiler: the dark priest Shaft]]. Even if you beat him, he still manages [[spoiler: to summon Dracula anyway]].

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* ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaSymphonyOfTheNight'' has the penultimate fight against [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the dark priest Shaft]]. Even if you beat him, he still manages [[spoiler: to [[spoiler:to summon Dracula anyway]].



* [[JustifiedTrope Justified]] in ''VideoGame/PaperMarioTheThousandYearDoor''. When the boss [[spoiler:Doopliss]] copies Mario, he turns into a shadowy version of him. Lose, and [[CaptainObvious Mario's game ends,]] [[WeCannotGoOnWithoutYou Game Over]]. Win, and [[spoiler: Doopliss switches places with Mario [[LeaningOnTheFourthWall during the transition back to the field screen]], and escapes with Mario's identity and [[PlayerParty party]].]]

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* [[JustifiedTrope Justified]] in ''VideoGame/PaperMarioTheThousandYearDoor''. When the boss [[spoiler:Doopliss]] copies Mario, he turns into a shadowy version of him. Lose, and [[CaptainObvious Mario's game ends,]] [[WeCannotGoOnWithoutYou Game Over]]. Win, and [[spoiler: Doopliss [[spoiler:Doopliss switches places with Mario [[LeaningOnTheFourthWall during the transition back to the field screen]], and escapes with Mario's identity and [[PlayerParty party]].]]



** If you defeat King Gallon with anybody besides [[spoiler: Oswald]], he immediately recovers from his wounds. Only [[spoiler: Oswald]] can defeat him because [[spoiler:in addition to being of Titanian royal blood (necessary in order to defeat the Beast of Darkova), his power comes from the Queen of the Dead who cursed Gallon into his undead form.]]
** If you defeat Onyx with anybody besides [[spoiler: Mercedes]], he will be completely unharmed after the fight is over. The game doesn't exactly explain ''why'' only [[spoiler: Mercedes]] can kill him, but the prophecy says that he will be stopped by the World Tree. [[spoiler:Like all fairies, Mercedes has a TrueName derived from Norse mythology - in her case, it's Yggdrasil, and a huge tree grows in the spot where she dies.]]

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** If you defeat King Gallon with anybody besides [[spoiler: Oswald]], [[spoiler:Oswald]], he immediately recovers from his wounds. Only [[spoiler: Oswald]] [[spoiler:Oswald]] can defeat him because [[spoiler:in addition to being of Titanian royal blood (necessary in order to defeat the Beast of Darkova), his power comes from the Queen of the Dead who cursed Gallon into his undead form.]]
** If you defeat Onyx with anybody besides [[spoiler: Mercedes]], [[spoiler:Mercedes]], he will be completely unharmed after the fight is over. The game doesn't exactly explain ''why'' only [[spoiler: Mercedes]] [[spoiler:Mercedes]] can kill him, but the prophecy says that he will be stopped by the World Tree. [[spoiler:Like all fairies, Mercedes has a TrueName derived from Norse mythology - in her case, it's Yggdrasil, and a huge tree grows in the spot where she dies.]]



** If you defeat Leventhan with anybody besides [[spoiler: Gwendolyn]], they're killed in the subsequent fall from the sky. [[spoiler:As shown in the good ending, Gwendolyn is caught by Oswald, provided he also survived his own battle.]]

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** If you defeat Leventhan with anybody besides [[spoiler: Gwendolyn]], [[spoiler:Gwendolyn]], they're killed in the subsequent fall from the sky. [[spoiler:As shown in the good ending, Gwendolyn is caught by Oswald, provided he also survived his own battle.]]



** The creator of that game loves this trope. ''Red Moon'' is a prequel to the Armed With Wings series, and in ''Armed With Wings 2'', you play as the villain. At the end of the game, you face TheHero. Die against him, you lose, beat him, and a cutscene follows where he [[spoiler: pulls a OneWingedAngel, reveals he is the avatar of God himself, ''resurrects all the people you've killed over the course of the story'' and seals your VillainProtagonist in a white room for all eternity. Justified, however, because this VillainProtagonist is vital to the plot of the next game and as such must be sealed, not killed.]]

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** The creator of that game loves this trope. ''Red Moon'' is a prequel to the Armed With Wings series, and in ''Armed With Wings 2'', you play as the villain. At the end of the game, you face TheHero. Die against him, you lose, beat him, and a cutscene follows where he [[spoiler: pulls [[spoiler:pulls a OneWingedAngel, reveals he is the avatar of God himself, ''resurrects all the people you've killed over the course of the story'' and seals your VillainProtagonist in a white room for all eternity. Justified, however, because this VillainProtagonist is vital to the plot of the next game and as such must be sealed, not killed.]]



* ''VideoGame/TheForceUnleashed'' has this in the [[spoiler: Light Side ending of the final boss battle]]. Once you've defeated [[spoiler:the Emperor]], the final cutscene shows [[spoiler: that Starkiller is killed anyway while distracting the completely unharmed Emperor from some escaping senators.]]
** The [[spoiler:Dark Side ending]] plays with this a little. For the final boss, you [[spoiler: kill Vader but then in the cutscene afterwards, Starkiller turns on the Emperor, who (probably) effortlessly defeats him. You don't die in this ending but you just become a replacement for Vader.]] It still counts though.
** The sequel also has this in the [[spoiler: Dark Side ending.]] You defeat [[spoiler: Vader and prepare to kill him when suddenly, a perfect clone of Starkiller comes out of nowhere and kills not only you but Kota and everyone else who's a threat to Vader.]]

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* ''VideoGame/TheForceUnleashed'' has this in the [[spoiler: Light [[spoiler:Light Side ending of the final boss battle]]. Once you've defeated [[spoiler:the Emperor]], the final cutscene shows [[spoiler: that [[spoiler:that Starkiller is killed anyway while distracting the completely unharmed Emperor from some escaping senators.]]
** The [[spoiler:Dark Side ending]] plays with this a little. For the final boss, you [[spoiler: kill [[spoiler:kill Vader but then in the cutscene afterwards, Starkiller turns on the Emperor, who (probably) effortlessly defeats him. You don't die in this ending but you just become a replacement for Vader.]] It still counts though.
** The sequel also has this in the [[spoiler: Dark [[spoiler:Dark Side ending.]] You defeat [[spoiler: Vader [[spoiler:Vader and prepare to kill him when suddenly, a perfect clone of Starkiller comes out of nowhere and kills not only you but Kota and everyone else who's a threat to Vader.]]



* Sonic's fight against Silver in ''VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog2006''. It doesn't help that the boss is notoriously hard, more because of bad programming than proper difficulty.
* The [[FanSequel fan prequel]] ''Videogame/SonicBeforeTheSequel'' is about [[DoomedByCanon Sonic trying to stop the launch of the Death Egg before Sonic 2]]. [[ForegoneConclusion Therefore, even in the good ending, once Sonic defeats the final boss he just gets blasted out of the sky anyway]] and falls on [[VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog2 Emerald Hill.]]
* In VideoGame/Disgaea2CursedMemories, there's a boss fight against Laharl. Lose, and the story continues. Win, and Laharl will blow up the planet leading to a NonStandardGameOver.

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* Sonic's fight against Silver in ''VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog2006''. It doesn't help that the boss is notoriously hard, more because of [[FakeDifficulty bad programming than proper difficulty.
difficulty]].
* The [[FanSequel fan prequel]] ''Videogame/SonicBeforeTheSequel'' is about [[DoomedByCanon Sonic trying to stop the launch of the Death Egg before Sonic 2]].''Sonic 2'']]. [[ForegoneConclusion Therefore, even in the good ending, once Sonic defeats the final boss he just gets blasted out of the sky anyway]] and falls on [[VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog2 Emerald Hill.]]
* In VideoGame/Disgaea2CursedMemories, there's a boss fight against Laharl. Lose, and the story continues. Win, and Laharl will blow up the planet leading to a NonStandardGameOver.



* So, so often in ''VideoGame/BlazBlue.'' Usually thanks to [[RobotGirl Nu]], [[{{Vampire}} Rachel]], or [[BigBad Terumi]]

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* So, so often in ''VideoGame/BlazBlue.'' ''VideoGame/BlazBlue''. Usually thanks to [[RobotGirl Nu]], [[{{Vampire}} Rachel]], or [[BigBad Terumi]]



* In ''VideoGame/PokemonMysteryDungeonExplorers'', regardless of whether you defeat or lose to Grovyle at Crystal Lake, the following cutscene has him [[CutscenePowerToTheMax knock out your entire party with a single attack]], leaving you powerless to keep him from [[spoiler: trying to steal the Time Gear]].

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* In ''VideoGame/PokemonMysteryDungeonExplorers'', regardless of whether you defeat or lose to Grovyle at Crystal Lake, the following cutscene has him [[CutscenePowerToTheMax knock out your entire party with a single attack]], leaving you powerless to keep him from [[spoiler: trying [[spoiler:trying to steal the Time Gear]].



** The [[VideoGame/MarioAndLuigiSuperstarSaga original game]] had this as well in the fight with [[spoiler: [[GrandTheftMe Bowletta]]]]. After depleting the boss's health, a bomb is released in the background that automatically [=KOs=] the brothers. They then have to automatically start the next (and final!) boss fight with just one HP each.

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** The [[VideoGame/MarioAndLuigiSuperstarSaga original game]] had this as well in the fight with [[spoiler: [[GrandTheftMe [[spoiler:[[GrandTheftMe Bowletta]]]]. After depleting the boss's health, a bomb is released in the background that automatically [=KOs=] the brothers. They then have to automatically start the next (and final!) boss fight with just one HP each.



* In ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyIVTheAfterYears'' the last boss of the Lunarian Chapter is [[spoiler: none other than a resurrected Zeromus.]] Despite their best efforts [[spoiler: once Golbez and Fusoya have damaged him enough he mock their efforts before blasting them with Big Bang at which point Fusoya realizes that the battle is hopeless and that they can't win ultimately forces him to warp Golbez to the Lunar Whale so he can escape to Earth while he faces Zeromus alone. By the end of the game the ultimate fate of Fusoya and Zeromus are unknown.]]

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* In ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyIVTheAfterYears'' the last boss of the Lunarian Chapter is [[spoiler: none [[spoiler:none other than a resurrected Zeromus.]] Despite their best efforts [[spoiler: once [[spoiler:once Golbez and Fusoya have damaged him enough he mock their efforts before blasting them with Big Bang at which point Fusoya realizes that the battle is hopeless and that they can't win ultimately forces him to warp Golbez to the Lunar Whale so he can escape to Earth while he faces Zeromus alone. By the end of the game the ultimate fate of Fusoya and Zeromus are unknown.]]



* In ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'', after defeating [[spoiler:Team Flare's boss, Lysandre]] and his evil scientist Xerosic, they promise not to activate the ultimate weapon if you pick the right button to shut it down. However even if the player picks the right button, Xerosic will activate it anyway making the player's choice completely pointless.

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* In ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'', after defeating [[spoiler:Team Flare's boss, Lysandre]] and his evil scientist Xerosic, they promise not to activate the ultimate weapon if you pick the right button to shut it down. However even if the player picks you press the right button, [[ButThouMust Xerosic will activate it anyway and making the player's your choice completely pointless.entirely meaningless]].



* Film example: Strange's final bargain with [[spoiler: Dormammu]] in ''Film/DoctorStrange2016'' is this. [[spoiler: Either [[AndIMustScream he traps Dormammu with him in a timeloop forever]], or [[RageQuit Dormammu relents and gives Strange what he wants]].]]

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* Film example: Strange's final bargain with [[spoiler: Dormammu]] [[spoiler:Dormammu]] in ''Film/DoctorStrange2016'' is this. [[spoiler: Either [[spoiler:Either [[AndIMustScream he traps Dormammu with him in a timeloop forever]], or [[RageQuit Dormammu relents and gives Strange what he wants]].]]
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