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30th Jul '16 3:43:23 AM Morgenthaler
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* An inverted variation happens in ''UltimaVIIPartII: Serpent Isle''. After one of your friends is put on trial in Fawn for blasphemy, you're supposed to sneak into the temple, locate the controls for the oracle, and set her to say the truth (as opposed to being forced by the priestess to condemn the accused). If you don't bother to do so, the next day the oracle will, as expected, condemn your friend... and then the resistance (who gave you the key to the temple earlier) bursts in, reveals the whole plot, and arranges for your friend to be freed. Either way, you can't fail this. (A rare case of averting HoldingOutForAHero, too.)

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* An inverted variation happens in ''UltimaVIIPartII: ''VideoGame/UltimaVIIPartII: Serpent Isle''. After one of your friends is put on trial in Fawn for blasphemy, you're supposed to sneak into the temple, locate the controls for the oracle, and set her to say the truth (as opposed to being forced by the priestess to condemn the accused). If you don't bother to do so, the next day the oracle will, as expected, condemn your friend... and then the resistance (who gave you the key to the temple earlier) bursts in, reveals the whole plot, and arranges for your friend to be freed. Either way, you can't fail this. (A rare case of averting HoldingOutForAHero, too.)



* ''NarutoShippudenUltimateNinjaStorm2'' has a nifty variation that's a combination of this trope and HopelessBossFight. It's the fight between [[DoomedByCanon Jiraya and Pain]]. You have to legitimately win the match, and drain Pain's health meter to zero, then in the middle of the fight, Jiraya gets nailed by a sneak attack by one of the heretofore unseen Pain paths, which then leads to an heavily injured, barely playable Jiraya trying to stave off all six Pains. You will lose, but then in the ensuing quick time event, you have Jiraya get back up, and through sheer will, blow one of the Pains completely away with a move that launches his own dying body into the ocean. Heads I Win Tails you Lose has rarely been this cool.

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* ''NarutoShippudenUltimateNinjaStorm2'' ''VideoGame/NarutoShippudenUltimateNinjaStorm2'' has a nifty variation that's a combination of this trope and HopelessBossFight. It's the fight between [[DoomedByCanon Jiraya and Pain]]. You have to legitimately win the match, and drain Pain's health meter to zero, then in the middle of the fight, Jiraya gets nailed by a sneak attack by one of the heretofore unseen Pain paths, which then leads to an heavily injured, barely playable Jiraya trying to stave off all six Pains. You will lose, but then in the ensuing quick time event, you have Jiraya get back up, and through sheer will, blow one of the Pains completely away with a move that launches his own dying body into the ocean. Heads I Win Tails you Lose has rarely been this cool.
20th Jul '16 1:10:46 AM Morgenthaler
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* In the ''Wrath of the Lich King'' expansion of ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'', the eponymous Lich King is actually DangerouslyGenreSavvy, but due to ObfuscatingStupidity comes off looking like a Bond Villain for most of the game, even in the final battle. Then, at 10% health, he reveals his XanatosGambit by suddenly killing the entire party and proceeds to raise them as his new generals. Had it not been for Tirion Fordring shattering Frostmourne, the Lich King would have succeeded.

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* In the ''Wrath of the Lich King'' expansion of ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'', the eponymous Lich King is actually DangerouslyGenreSavvy, very smart, but due to ObfuscatingStupidity comes off looking like a Bond Villain for most of the game, even in the final battle. Then, at 10% health, he reveals his XanatosGambit by suddenly killing the entire party and proceeds to raise them as his new generals. Had it not been for Tirion Fordring shattering Frostmourne, the Lich King would have succeeded.
4th Jul '16 11:58:12 PM JMQwilleran
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* In ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfHeroesTrailsOfColdSteel'', lose the final battle of the game and it's game over, of course. Win the final battle, [[spoiler:against Crow and his Ordine and he just gets back up, informs Rean that he's been operating a Divine Knight for three years, compared with Rean who just started, and crushes him good, forcing the ending of the game in which Rean has to flee in order to live for ''The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel II''.]]
26th Jun '16 7:30:33 PM Kadorhal
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* ''VideoGame/CallOfDuty: VideoGame/ModernWarfare'' [[spoiler:has this in part one and two. In part one after rescuing a downed helicopter pilot, the entire city you're in is struck by a nuclear blast, killing both you and presumably the pilot you rescued. In part two it happens multiple times.]]
** ''VideoGame/ModernWarfare3'' [[ZigZaggingTrope zig-zags]] this trope [[spoiler: when playing as the [=FSO=] agent. At the end of the level, you find the Russian President and get to an evac chopper - only to immediately get shot by Makarov and lose the President. That said, in Spec Ops, there's a mission that starts immediately after this - where you get up, attach a surpressor to your pistol, and go save the President's daughter, Alena. ''That'' said, the next time you hear from Alena is when she's frantically calling for help because everyone in her security detail (including the [=FSO=] agent that saved her) is dead.]]

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* ''VideoGame/CallOfDuty: VideoGame/ModernWarfare'' [[spoiler:has has this happen at least once in part one and two. every game. In part one ''Call of Duty 4'', after rescuing a downed helicopter pilot, the [[spoiler:the entire city you're in is struck by a nuclear blast, killing both you everyone else in your chopper and presumably all the pilot you rescued. In part two it happens multiple times.]]
** ''VideoGame/ModernWarfare3'' [[ZigZaggingTrope zig-zags]]
other US forces still in the city]]. ''Modern Warfare 2'' has this trope [[spoiler: happen more than once, most notably [[spoiler:reaching extraction at Makarov's safehouse after clipping a mortar blast, only for [[CavalryBetrayal General Shepherd to betray you and your surviving teammates]]]]. ''Modern Warfare 3'' has this when playing as the [=FSO=] agent. At FSO agent Harkov, where at the end of his level you get the level, you find the Russian President and get to an evac chopper - only to immediately get shot by [[spoiler:only for Makarov to show up within and lose kidnap the President. President.]] That said, in Spec Ops, there's a mission that starts immediately after this - where you get up, attach a surpressor to your pistol, wounded FSO agent gets up and go save saves the President's daughter, Alena. ''That'' said, the next time you hear from Alena is when she's frantically calling for help because everyone in her security detail (including the [=FSO=] agent that saved her) her in Spec Ops) is dead.]]
3rd Apr '16 10:26:05 PM KamenRiderOokalf
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* ''[[VideoGame/MegaManX Mega Man Maverick Hunter X]]'' features this as the FinalBoss battle if you play as Vile. Beat X and Zero, and the following cutscene shows them seriously damaged. Then they pull themselves together, stomp you with ''one shot'', and leave you to die. Great reward.
** When you play as X, the intro-stage battle with Vile has been [[VideogameRemake changed]] from a HopelessBossFight to one of these. You have to do a certain amount of damage, but then Vile will simply waste you; Zero's entrance then proceeds on schedule.
** In ''X5'', no matter how badly the player wastes Zero (as X) or X (as Zero), Zero's Sōgenmu or X's Soul Body attack from the previous game will be pulled out of nowhere to turn the fight into a draw.

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* ''[[VideoGame/MegaManX Mega Man Maverick Hunter X]]'' ''VideoGame/MegaManMaverickHunterX'' features this as the FinalBoss battle if you play as Vile. Beat X and Zero, and the following cutscene shows them seriously damaged. Then they pull themselves together, stomp you with ''one shot'', and leave you to die. Great reward.
** When you play as X, the intro-stage battle with Vile has been [[VideogameRemake [[VideoGameRemake changed]] from a HopelessBossFight to one of these. You have to do a certain amount of damage, but then Vile will simply waste you; Zero's entrance then proceeds on schedule.
** In ''X5'', ''VideoGame/MegaManX5'', no matter how badly the player wastes Zero (as X) or X (as Zero), Zero's Sōgenmu or X's Soul Body attack from the previous game will be pulled out of nowhere to turn the fight into a draw.
27th Mar '16 7:20:10 PM JLCarter
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*** This happens a lot in Legacy of Goku II. During Vegeta's fight against Imperfect Cell, you fight him until his health runs low, and then it'll go to the cut scene of him absorbing 18 and becoming Perfect and defeating Vegeta in a few hits. During Goku's fight against Cell, you get his health low and then Goku surrenders.
*** This is at least partially because the game is based on Dragon Ball Z, and the developers apparently wanted to keep the game's plot as similar as they could to the plot of the part of the show they were adapting given the limits of the Game Boy Advance.
21st Mar '16 5:43:59 AM Hanz
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* ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfHeroesTrailsInTheSky The Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky]] loves'' this trope, particularly the variant where after you beat the bosses, they insult you and force you into letting them do what they want anyway. [[spoiler:The black soldiers]] in FC, [[spoiler:the Jaegers (actually Kurt and his gang in disguise)]] in SC...

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* ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfHeroesTrailsInTheSky The Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky]] ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfHeroesTrailsInTheSky loves'' this trope, particularly the variant where after you beat the bosses, they insult you and force you into letting them do what they want anyway. [[spoiler:The black soldiers]] in FC, [[spoiler:the Jaegers (actually Kurt and his gang in disguise)]] in SC...SC...
* In ''Videogame/{{LISA}}: The Painful RPG'', Buzzo is typically meant to be a HopelessBossFight who will quickly destroy Brad and his party if he's challenged. If you actually do defeat him, he'll somehow end the world right then and there, causing a NonStandardGameOver.
1st Mar '16 5:49:11 PM Cameony
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* The penultimate battle against Bowletta in ''VideoGame/MarioAndLuigiSuperstarSaga'': If you lose, it's game over. What happens if you win? A timed bob-omb appears near the brothers and explodes, killing them instantly. Then Bowletta sucks them both up, lunging the brothers with only 1 HP each into the final battle with [[BattleInTheCenterOfTheMind the spirit of Cackletta inside of him/her]].

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* The penultimate battle against Bowletta in ''VideoGame/MarioAndLuigiSuperstarSaga'': If you lose, it's game over. What happens if you win? A timed bob-omb appears near the brothers and explodes, killing them instantly. Then Bowletta sucks them both up, lunging the brothers with only 1 HP each into the final battle with [[BattleInTheCenterOfTheMind the spirit of Cackletta inside of him/her]].him]].
1st Mar '16 5:44:37 PM Cameony
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** There was a GameBoy DragonBall game in wich you (as Goku) has a bosse fight against Tao Paï paï in the forest. He's a difficult boss, but nothing that a skilled player can't handle without too much trouble. Lose and the story continue. Get his life bar to zero, and Goku doesn't move anymore, you can't control him and the boss (who isn't K.O) will hit you until your life bar gets to zero.

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** There was a GameBoy DragonBall game in wich which you (as Goku) has have a bosse boss fight against Tao Paï paï in the forest. He's a difficult boss, but nothing that a skilled player can't handle without too much trouble. Lose and the story continue. Get continues. Take his life bar to zero, and Goku doesn't move anymore, you can't control him freezes and the boss (who isn't K.O) beaten for some reason) will hit you until your life bar gets to zero.you die.
15th Jan '16 10:36:08 PM Kuruni
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** In the Rise of A Ninja and The Broken Bond games the player is also forced to follow the storyline of the anime regardless of their actual performance in the game which leads to losses you can't avoid. It can be annoying to get trash-talked by your opponent in an animated cutscene after stomping them into the ground (Kiba for this editor) and this can cause some plot holes like Sasuke's fight with the Sound Four as they try to tempt him with power by calling him weak... even if you don't resort to using the Cursed Seal (Rage Mode) to beat them. To be fair there is no way Naruto or the other Konoha genin could win against opponents like Itachi or Orochimaru in Part 1 and in some fights in The Broken Bond your real objective is not to win but to survive or use a specific move to beat your opponent.

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** In the Rise of A Ninja and The Broken Bond games the player is also forced to follow the storyline of the anime regardless of their actual performance in the game which leads to losses you can't avoid. It can be annoying to get trash-talked by your opponent in an animated cutscene after stomping them into the ground (Kiba for this editor) and this can cause some plot holes like Sasuke's fight with the Sound Four as they try to tempt him with power by calling him weak... even if you don't resort to using the Cursed Seal (Rage Mode) to beat them. To be fair there is no way Naruto or the other Konoha genin could win against opponents like Itachi or Orochimaru in Part 1 and in some fights in The Broken Bond your real objective is not to win but to survive or use a specific move to beat your opponent.
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