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2nd Dec '16 2:52:09 PM Ninja857142
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** Rock Lee seems like the poster child for this trope. He has absolutely no natural talent whatsoever and trains and trains and trains to prove he can be a powerful ninja without ninjustu or genjustsu. He has a good showing at first, easily defeating the two leads, but then proceeds [[TheWorfEffect to lose almost every other fight he gets into]]. However, those loses tend to come from extremely powerful enemies and Lee has impressive showings for those fights. His fight with Gaara, for example, had Gaara's teammates spend the entire match [[OhCrap panicking]] at how badly Lee was manhandling him. Also, it is indisputable that Lee has come a long way from where he was in the academy, where even his beloved and supportive Guy sensei admitted he was pathetic. So, hard work may not have made him the best around, but without it he'd be useless
*** It should be noted that Lee is hardly talentless. Sure his talent with the more traditional ninja arts are non-existent. However, it is also said by Kakashi there is no way hard work alone can get you to open five gates at age 13. Lee's case is really a person whose talent is not discovered by lesser teachers and he later run into a teacher that recognize his real talent and applied the appropriate training method for that talent. Naruto (and possibly his earlier reincarnations) is more or less the same thing. Basically, hard work is important, but to get to the very top or close to it, you need BOTH talent and hard work.
** On the other end of the scale, Sasuke was born with TheGift, specifically one that lets him instantly copy any technique and, training and aptitude sufficient, execute it flawlessly, in addition to exceptional skills otherwise too. Now, he is ''said'' to train seriously, but most of it happens offscreen and he has gotten several powerups in a row thanks to SuperpowerfulGenetics mixed with ThePowerOfHate.
*** Sasuke is hardly on the other end of this scale. Quite a few times he is noted to have put in a lot of work and trained, even if he does have SuperpowerfulGenetics; most notable ones are his learning of his clan's fireball jutsu and his training for the Chuunin exams. Even his Mangekyo required a beatdown from Itachi (who himself was far more talented than Sasuke, yet was shown to require training and practice to get to where he was) to unlock, and near-fatal fights with multiple powerful opponents to master. It is only after he receives Itachi's eyes from Tobi that he truly starts receiving notable power-ups without any work put in. Much like Naruto, he tends to ping-pong as the plot demands. As best as we know, the two characters on the opposite ends of the scale are Indra and Ashura, the sons of the Sage of the Six Paths who both achieved similar levels of power, Indra through SuperpowerfulGenetics, and Ashura through TrainingFromHell & ThePowerOfFriendship.

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** Rock Lee seems like the poster child for this trope. trope.
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He has absolutely no little natural talent whatsoever and trains and trains and trains to prove he can be a powerful ninja without ninjustu or genjustsu. He has a good showing at first, easily defeating the two leads, but then proceeds [[TheWorfEffect to lose almost every other fight he gets into]]. However, those loses tend to come from extremely powerful enemies and Lee has impressive showings for those fights. His fight with Gaara, for example, had Gaara's teammates spend the entire match [[OhCrap panicking]] at how badly Lee was manhandling him. Also, it is indisputable that Lee has come a long way from where he was in the academy, where even his beloved and supportive Guy sensei admitted he was pathetic. So, hard work may not have made him the best around, but without it he'd be useless
*** It should be noted that Lee is hardly talentless. Sure his talent with the more traditional ninja arts are non-existent. However, it is also said by Kakashi there is no way hard work alone can get you to open five gates at age 13. Lee's case is really a person whose talent is not discovered by lesser teachers and he later run runs into a teacher that recognize his real talent and applied the appropriate training method for that talent. Naruto (and possibly his earlier reincarnations) is more or less the same thing. Basically, hard work is important, but to get to the very top or close to it, you need BOTH talent and hard work.
** On the other end of the scale, Sasuke was born with TheGift, specifically one that lets him instantly copy any technique and, training and aptitude sufficient, execute it flawlessly, in addition to exceptional skills otherwise too. Now, quite a few times he is ''said'' said to train seriously, notably in his Fire Release jutsus and Chuunin exam training, but most much of it happens offscreen offscreen, and he has gotten several powerups in a row thanks to SuperpowerfulGenetics mixed with ThePowerOfHate.
*** Sasuke is hardly on the other end of this scale. Quite a few times he is noted to have put in a lot of work and trained, even if he
ThePowerOfHate. He does have SuperpowerfulGenetics; most notable ones are his learning of his clan's fireball jutsu and his training for the Chuunin exams. Even receive his Mangekyo required after a beatdown from Itachi (who himself was far more talented than Sasuke, yet was shown to require training and practice to get to where he was) to unlock, and near-fatal fights grueling battle with multiple Itachi, and it requires battles with several powerful opponents for him to master. It is only master it. However, this trope becomes more notable after he receives Itachi's eyes from Tobi that Tobi, whereupon he truly starts receiving notable incredible power-ups without any work put in. Much like Naruto, he tends to ping-pong as the plot demands. As best as we know, the two characters on the opposite ends of the scale are Indra and Ashura, the sons of the Sage of the Six Paths who both achieved similar levels of power, Indra through SuperpowerfulGenetics, and Ashura through TrainingFromHell & ThePowerOfFriendship.
30th Nov '16 1:13:27 AM Morgenthaler
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Part of what makes fiction so entertaining is reading about how the protagonist is ''special'' and ''different'', how they are the [[RagsToRoyalty true heir]], the ChosenOne who has TheGift, wielder of the CosmicKeystone, or simply ''that'' {{Badass}}. They may train to get their skills and powers, but part of their hero package is a certain ''je ne sais quoi'' that grants them a better ability or talent at their SeriousBusiness of choice. While it's true that genetics and heredity give us all different advantages when learning knowledge or skills, for TheProtagonist and/or TheHero it goes far beyond that.

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Part of what makes fiction so entertaining is reading about how the protagonist is ''special'' and ''different'', how they are the [[RagsToRoyalty true heir]], the ChosenOne who has TheGift, wielder of the CosmicKeystone, or simply ''that'' {{Badass}}.badass. They may train to get their skills and powers, but part of their hero package is a certain ''je ne sais quoi'' that grants them a better ability or talent at their SeriousBusiness of choice. While it's true that genetics and heredity give us all different advantages when learning knowledge or skills, for TheProtagonist and/or TheHero it goes far beyond that.



** ''VideoGame/{{Persona 2}}'' zigzags this, as it does work largely like "any RPG" as mentioned above - you go from normal high school student (or magazine editor, or cop, or whatever) to monster-slaying, god-enslaving, world-saving {{Badass}} in what might generously be two weeks. However, some of your biggest foes are other people who have been granted immense power... and used it as a crutch to lord over others. So all your [[LevelGrinding hard work]] lets you kick them in the face. Seemingly played straight again at the end of ''Innocent Sin'', where you [[spoiler:beat up Nyarlathotep, except shortly thereafter Nyarlathotep reveals he was just playing down to your level and isn't remotely inconvenienced, then goes on to end the world while you just stand by exhausted from the fight. No, you didn't just Punch Out Cthu- er, Nyarlathotep like you thought you did, and it takes another god's intervention to turn back time]]. Played more straight in the end of ''Eternal Punishment'', though the hard work ''has'' been put in twice over by some people, this time. Though all this is probably Justified because the collective unconscious is reshaping the world, meaning heroes can rise up out of nothing because enough people believe they can.

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** ''VideoGame/{{Persona 2}}'' zigzags this, as it does work largely like "any RPG" as mentioned above - you go from normal high school student (or magazine editor, or cop, or whatever) to monster-slaying, god-enslaving, world-saving {{Badass}} badass in what might generously be two weeks. However, some of your biggest foes are other people who have been granted immense power... and used it as a crutch to lord over others. So all your [[LevelGrinding hard work]] lets you kick them in the face. Seemingly played straight again at the end of ''Innocent Sin'', where you [[spoiler:beat up Nyarlathotep, except shortly thereafter Nyarlathotep reveals he was just playing down to your level and isn't remotely inconvenienced, then goes on to end the world while you just stand by exhausted from the fight. No, you didn't just Punch Out Cthu- er, Nyarlathotep like you thought you did, and it takes another god's intervention to turn back time]]. Played more straight in the end of ''Eternal Punishment'', though the hard work ''has'' been put in twice over by some people, this time. Though all this is probably Justified because the collective unconscious is reshaping the world, meaning heroes can rise up out of nothing because enough people believe they can.
17th Nov '16 12:10:07 PM Knightofbalance
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* Ironically, this utterly [[DefiedTrope defied]] in Hideaki Anno's first work, ''Anime/GunBuster''. The main character Noriko is of the belief that talent is all you need to be good at mecha piloting. However, her teacher shows her that the woman she looked up to works '''very''' hard t get were she is. In fact, one of the series' mottos is "Hard work and guts!"
13th Nov '16 9:39:33 AM jlindsay
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* Hillary Clinton, who spent her life in politics, losing the 2016 election to Donald Trump, who only got a real start in politics last year.
12th Nov '16 3:53:00 AM LinTaylor
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*** This is also demonstrated by Future Trunks, who's the last living fighter in his timeline and thus doesn't have the leisure to slack off like the others. When he returns in ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'', he's dealt with Majin Buu and has spent a year fighting off an EvilTwin of Goku; as a result, he's achieved Super Saiyan 2 and is (at least according to the manga adaptation) equal to Super Saiyan 3 Goku in terms of power. [[spoiler:And that's ''before'' he achieves a form that's seemingly just a step shy of Super Saiyan Blue.]]
8th Nov '16 6:16:14 AM DeepRed
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* [[https://twitter.com/Hilarious_Idiot/status/734678370198380544 Based on a joke from Twitter]]:
-->Neighbour #1: My eldest son has a bachelor's degree in economics. My second son has an MBA. My third son has a PhD. My youngest son is a thief.
-->Neighbour #2: Why don't you just kick your youngest son out of the house?
-->Neighbour #1: He's the only one earning money. The rest are unemployed.

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30th Oct '16 9:17:15 AM LadyJaneGrey
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* In ''Anime/YuGiOhGX'', Judai, despite sleeping through all the few classes he bothers to attend, effortlessly beats anybody who challenges him (except for Ryo that one time). Deconstructed in season 3 when an Isaac Newton-like teacher tried to take revenge on him for inspiring pupils to ignore studying and try to emulate his success and a villain convinced him that everything coming so easily for him meant he wasn't a true hero. It was almost like a summary of how nobody likes TheAce because nowadays, TrueArtIsAngsty.

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* In ''Anime/YuGiOhGX'', ''Anime/YuGiOhGX'',
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Judai, despite sleeping through all the few classes he bothers to attend, effortlessly beats anybody who challenges him (except for Ryo that one time). Deconstructed in season 3 when an Isaac Newton-like teacher tried to take revenge on him for inspiring pupils to ignore studying and try to emulate his success and a villain convinced him that everything coming so easily for him meant he wasn't a true hero. It was almost like a summary of how nobody likes TheAce because nowadays, TrueArtIsAngsty.TrueArtIsAngsty.
** The ''one'' time he ''did'' prepare and use a coherent strategy, in the second duel with Ryo, it didn't work. Ryo commented that t was a disappointment and told him to go back to dueling the way he did before. (He took this advice to heart and managed to end it in a draw.)
15th Oct '16 5:16:05 PM Gamermaster
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** This is Jill Stola's personal philosophy, and is one of the things that Nove disagrees with her on.

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** This is Jill Stola's personal philosophy, philosophy in ''Anime/VividStrike'', and is one of the things that Nove disagrees with her on.
15th Oct '16 5:13:53 PM Gamermaster
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** Teana is a complete aversion. Unlike the other Forwards, she doesn't have the advantage of winning the SuperpowerLottery or [[spoiler: being a SuperSoldier]], but she manages to become the only one of them to reach [[RankInflation S-Rank]] (half a rank below Nanoha) through hard work alone.
** This is Jill Stola's personal philosophy, and is one of the things that Nove disagrees with her on.
9th Oct '16 1:02:55 PM StrixObscuro
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* Subverted in HunterXHunter. While natural talent grant you significant edge over untalented individuals, one still must train extremely hard to get results. Chief of the Hunter Association [[BadassGrandpa Netero]] stated that human potential is ''limitless'' and we know that [[FunctionalMagic nen]] can prevent aging. So, theoretically, talentless person will require much more time to catch up, but eventually ''will'' catch up.
** [[spoiler: And gloriously subverted with Netero himself, who managed to fight with [[BigBad Mer]][[PhysicalGod yem]] on semi-equal ground due to insanely over the top training(even bu Shonen standarts).]]

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* Subverted in HunterXHunter.''Manga/HunterXHunter''. While natural talent grant you significant edge over untalented individuals, one still must train extremely hard to get results. Chief of the Hunter Association [[BadassGrandpa Netero]] stated that human potential is ''limitless'' and we know that [[FunctionalMagic nen]] can prevent aging. So, theoretically, a talentless person will require much more time to catch up, but eventually ''will'' catch up.
** [[spoiler: And [[spoiler:And gloriously subverted with Netero himself, who managed to fight with [[BigBad Mer]][[PhysicalGod yem]] on semi-equal ground due to insanely over the top training(even training (even bu Shonen standarts).]]



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* Played with in ''ComicBook/{{Runaways}}'', where Tina and Robert Minoru, who've been presumably training in the dark arts for years, can barely use the Staff of One, but their daughter Nico manages to become proficient with it after just a few days, because the staff's power requires a creative mind, and Nico is far more creative than either of them. On the other hand, when she later encounters her ancestor, Witchbreaker, who has a much more powerful version of the staff and ''decades'' more experience, she is handily schooled.
* In ''ComicBook/TheAuthority'', Jeroen is the latest World Shaman, able to tap into the collected experience of hundreds of predecessors, automatically making him one of the most powerful beings on the planet, despite the fact that he's a lazy, immature drug addict whose money all comes from his rich wife. He is utterly hated by his teammate Engineer, who grew up in a poor, unexceptional family and had to work her ass off to be deemed worthy of becoming the new Engineer.
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** The one technique that signals Gangryong becoming an actual threat is [[spoiler: mastering a half step to the side]].

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** The one technique that signals Gangryong becoming an actual threat is [[spoiler: mastering [[spoiler:mastering a half step to the side]].
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