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14th Jun '16 6:06:09 PM Fireblood
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* UsefulNotes/RichardDawkins doesn't think much about theology and religion studies, dismissing the former as nonsense.
** Another example would be biologist and atheist blogger, P.Z. Myers, who defended Dawkins against criticisms that he hadn't read any theology through comparing these critics to courtiers of the Emperor who had no clothes [[http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2006/12/24/the-courtiers-reply/]]. Also, pertinent is that Dawkins actually has a rather wide reading of theology (he often quotes major theologians and the major holy books off the top of his head in debates), despite being of the opinion that it is the study of non-existent things. So you could argue, he's at least ''read'' it before deciding it's simply nonsense.

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* UsefulNotes/RichardDawkins doesn't think much about theology and religion religious studies, dismissing the former as nonsense.nonsense (of course, neither is a science, or even claims to be).
** Another example would be biologist and atheist blogger, P.Z. Myers, who defended Dawkins against criticisms that he hadn't read any theology through comparing these critics to courtiers of the Emperor who had no clothes [[http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2006/12/24/the-courtiers-reply/]]. Also, pertinent is that Dawkins actually has a rather wide reading of theology (he often quotes major theologians and the major holy books off the top of his head in debates), despite being of the opinion that it is the study of non-existent things. So So, you could argue, he's at least ''read'' it before deciding it's simply nonsense.
13th Jun '16 8:15:50 PM Fireblood
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** Another example would be biologist and atheist blogger, P.Z. Myers, who defended Dawkins against criticisms that he hadn't read any theology through comparing these critics to courtiers of the Emperor who had no clothes [[http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2006/12/24/the-courtiers-reply/]]. Also, pertinent is that Dawkins actually has a rather wide reading of theology (he often quotes major theologians and the major holy books off the top of his head in debates), despite being of the opinion that it is the study of non-existent things.

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** Another example would be biologist and atheist blogger, P.Z. Myers, who defended Dawkins against criticisms that he hadn't read any theology through comparing these critics to courtiers of the Emperor who had no clothes [[http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2006/12/24/the-courtiers-reply/]]. Also, pertinent is that Dawkins actually has a rather wide reading of theology (he often quotes major theologians and the major holy books off the top of his head in debates), despite being of the opinion that it is the study of non-existent things. So you could argue, he's at least ''read'' it before deciding it's simply nonsense.



** And many other psychologists, and also biologists (who, after all, came up with the theory of evolution in the first place) are detractors of evo psych and accuse it of being reductionist, essentialist, or lacking in evidence.

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** And many other psychologists, and also biologists (who, after all, came up with the theory of evolution in the first place) are detractors of evo psych and accuse it of being reductionist, essentialist, or lacking in evidence. Evolutionary psychology adherents, on the other hand, accuse them of being politically correct and rejecting its evidence due to this contradicting pet theories.



* Conservative publicists sometimes approach this attitude, since they see modern academic teaching in literature, sociology etc. to be overcrept by left-winged philosophy, while science such as physics and mathematics remains perfectly objective and politically neutral.

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* Conservative publicists sometimes approach this attitude, since they see modern academic teaching in literature, sociology etc. to be overcrept overriden by left-winged philosophy, while science such as physics and mathematics remains perfectly objective and politically neutral.



*** Even hard sciences become politicized under sufficiently autocratic regimes. The study of genetics in the Soviet Union was hamstrung by a strong preference for communist theorists even when they were incorrect, and Nazi Germany's research on atomic weapons was crippled by their antisemitism. (Many of the pioneers were Jewish, and the Nazis even referred to the entire field as "Jewish physics.")

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*** Even hard sciences become politicized under sufficiently autocratic regimes. The study of genetics in the Soviet Union was hamstrung by a strong preference for communist theorists even when they were incorrect, and Nazi Germany's research on atomic weapons was crippled by their antisemitism. (Many antisemitism (many of the pioneers were Jewish, and the Nazis even referred to the entire field as "Jewish physics.")physics").



* UsefulNotes/MargaretThatcher, a research chemist before going into politics, remarked "What a luxury," to a student who told her she was studying Norse literature.

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* UsefulNotes/MargaretThatcher, a research chemist before going into politics, remarked "What a luxury," luxury." to a student who told her she was studying Norse literature.



* Unsurprisingly, hard sciences tend to very much look down on "pseudosciences" such as parapsychology or the study of the paranormal. The interesting thing is that there are a decent number of people using the scientific method to approach data collection and study in these fields.

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* Unsurprisingly, hard sciences tend to very much look down on "pseudosciences" such as parapsychology or parapsychology, the study of the paranormal. The interesting thing is that there are a decent number of people using the scientific method to approach data collection and study in these fields.
13th Jun '16 7:53:26 PM Fireblood
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* In Creator/IsaacAsimov's Literature/{{Foundation}} series psychology is a major factor in the series along with Hari Seldon's psychohistory a specific branch. However a closer examination will tell you it shares little to nothing with current practice having through the countless centuries become a hard mathematical science... and also gives you psychic powers because y'know. Psychohistory itself is the statistical analysis of humanity that in sufficient mass becomes completely predictable, modern statistics UpToEleven
* Deliberately inverted in Creator/SeananMcGuire's short story "Laughter at the Academy"; a mad psychologist, disgruntled by the lack of respect for her field, repeatedly sparks [[ScienceRelatedMemeticDisorder Schizotypal Creative Genius Personality Disorder]] in previously-stable hard scientists to make a point about where true power lies.

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* In Creator/IsaacAsimov's Literature/{{Foundation}} series psychology is a major factor in the series along along, with Hari Seldon's psychohistory a specific branch. However a closer examination will tell you it shares little to nothing with current practice practice, having through the countless centuries become a hard mathematical science... and also gives you psychic powers because y'know. Psychohistory itself is the statistical analysis of humanity that in sufficient mass becomes completely predictable, modern statistics UpToEleven
UpToEleven.
* Deliberately inverted {{inverted}} in Creator/SeananMcGuire's short story "Laughter at the Academy"; a mad psychologist, disgruntled by the lack of respect for her field, repeatedly sparks [[ScienceRelatedMemeticDisorder Schizotypal Creative Genius Personality Disorder]] in previously-stable hard scientists to make a point about where true power lies.



** Bones and Sweets are interrogating a super genius because he menaced a scientific who was building a device that theoretically could destroy the universe. The man works welding things. When Sweets tell him that for being a genius his profession is very humble, the man retorts that at least his work is real, psychologists cannot say that of themselves.

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** Bones and Sweets are interrogating a super genius because he menaced a scientific scientist who was building a device that theoretically could destroy the universe. The man works welding things. When Sweets tell him that for being a genius his profession is very humble, the man retorts that at least his work is real, psychologists real-psychologists cannot say that of themselves.



** Interestingly, however, when Raj's sister Priya (the only non-hard scientist recurring character save Penny) was going out with Leonard, Sheldon uncharacteristcally never mocked her academic discipline (the law), despite disliking her. FridgeBrilliance kicks in when you realize that a discipline comprised largely of making and/or interpreting strict rules and regulations which maintain or promote social order is right up Sheldon's alley.

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** Interestingly, however, when Raj's sister Priya (the only non-hard scientist recurring character save Penny) was going out with Leonard, Sheldon uncharacteristcally uncharacteristically never mocked her academic discipline (the law), despite disliking her. FridgeBrilliance kicks in when you realize that a discipline comprised largely of making and/or interpreting strict rules and regulations which maintain or promote social order is right up Sheldon's alley.



* ''Series/{{House}}'' makes plenty of jokes at the expensive of Psychologists and Psychiatrists, regarding them as studying a shoddy science and uninteresting branch of medicine respectively. Then again, there's barely anyone or any profession House ''doesn't'' hold in disdain, so it's not that new for him.

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* ''Series/{{House}}'' makes plenty of jokes at the expensive of Psychologists psychologists and Psychiatrists, psychiatrists, regarding them as studying a shoddy science and uninteresting branch of medicine respectively. Then again, there's barely anyone or any profession House ''doesn't'' hold in disdain, so it's not that new for him.



** In "[[http://xkcd.com/1520/ Degree-Off]]" a physicist is taken aback by a harsh remark made by a biologist. The alt text reads "I'M SORRY, FROM YOUR YEARS OF CONDESCENDING TOWARD THE 'SQUISHY' SCIENCES, I ASSUMED YOU'D BE A LITTLE HARDER"
** Interestingly, despite his well-established opinions on ''computational'' linguistics (which is more computer science than linguistics anyway) he seems to have a positive opinion of linguistics as a whole, like the Sheldon Cooper example elsewhere on this page. In his strip on grad students, he ranked linguistics as being a much harder science than sociology and closer to engineering in rigour.

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** In "[[http://xkcd.com/1520/ Degree-Off]]" a physicist is taken aback by a harsh remark made by a biologist. The alt text reads "I'M SORRY, FROM YOUR YEARS OF CONDESCENDING TOWARD THE 'SQUISHY' SCIENCES, [[SelfDeprecation I ASSUMED YOU'D BE A LITTLE HARDER"
HARDER]]"
** Interestingly, despite his well-established opinions on ''computational'' linguistics (which is more computer science than linguistics anyway) he seems to have a positive opinion of linguistics as a whole, like the Sheldon Cooper example elsewhere on this page. In his strip on grad students, he ranked linguistics as being a much harder science than sociology and closer to engineering in rigour.rigor.
2nd May '16 3:31:16 AM Omar_PhD
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* Physicist in particular have a reputation of being contemptuous of every other scientific discipline and other people in general.

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* Physicist Physicists in particular have a reputation of being contemptuous of every other scientific discipline and other people in general.general.
2nd May '16 3:30:29 AM Omar_PhD
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* Physicist in particular have a reputation of being contemptuous of every other scientific discipline and other people in general.
9th Apr '16 6:51:39 PM igordebraga
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* In construction, "soft" is planning, "hard" is execution: architects design buildings emphasizing the art, leading engineers to struggle in finding out how to make them actual edifices, making them frequently diss\mock architects. Add a third party, and there is an old joke:
-->What's an architect? Someone who wasn't manly enough to be an engineer, nor gay enough to be a designer.
7th Apr '16 5:59:14 PM Generality
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* Gordon Freeman of ''FreemansMind'' feels indignant toward psychology. Although, this may have less to do with scientific elitism than the fact that Gordon is a ''[[HeroicComedicSociopath friggin' loon]]'', and as such not enamored of what they probably have to say about him.

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* Gordon Freeman of ''FreemansMind'' feels indignant toward psychology. Although, this may have less to do with scientific elitism than the fact that Gordon is a ''[[HeroicComedicSociopath friggin' loon]]'', and as such not enamored of what they probably have to say about him. He's similarly dismissive of string theorists, who are toward the soft end of physics research.
28th Mar '16 3:50:49 PM tracer
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* The [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokal_affair Sokal hoax]] was a TakeThat from a physics professor to postmodernist social studies academics, or more specifically, the tendency of po-mo theorists to pepper their writings with nonsensical scientific analogies to make their work sound more rigorous than it is. Sokal sent a paper of pure drivel which would embarrass a second year physics students, but wrote it so it agreed with the political and social views of the journal Social Text. Sokal's paper (in brief - the real paper contains more nonsense than can be discussed here) argued that a properly free mathematics would free us from the social constructs which are implied by our rigid, unyielding, dogmatic, anti-feminist, capitalist, and unjust theory of ''gravity''. Of course, they ''did'' publish it of their own free will...

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* The [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokal_affair Sokal hoax]] was a TakeThat from a physics professor to postmodernist social studies academics, or more specifically, the tendency of po-mo theorists to pepper their writings with nonsensical scientific analogies to make their work sound more rigorous than it is. Sokal sent a paper of pure drivel which would embarrass a second year physics students, student, but wrote it so it agreed with the political and social views of the journal Social Text. Sokal's paper (in brief - the real paper contains more nonsense than can be discussed here) argued that a properly free mathematics would free us from the social constructs which are implied by our rigid, unyielding, dogmatic, anti-feminist, capitalist, and unjust theory of ''gravity''. Of course, they ''did'' publish it of their own free will...
19th Mar '16 12:08:46 PM nombretomado
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This happens outside of science fiction as well. Often, scientist characters in non-ScienceFiction shows will disrespect the softer sciences when they have to deal with them. In real life, [[AcceptableTargets common targets]] are Psychology (see below), Psychiatry (often portrayed as the medical equivalent of the ChurchOfHappyology, which is ironic considering that church's own attitude towards it), Economics ("The Dismal Science"), Linguistics (except by some, c.f. [[TheBigBangTheory Sheldon Cooper]]), &c.. Some can have a grudging respect for economics and political science, the two that tell if they will get any money for rockets and particle accelerators, but psychology, sociology and the like are AcceptableTargets.

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This happens outside of science fiction as well. Often, scientist characters in non-ScienceFiction shows will disrespect the softer sciences when they have to deal with them. In real life, [[AcceptableTargets common targets]] are Psychology (see below), Psychiatry (often portrayed as the medical equivalent of the ChurchOfHappyology, which is ironic considering that church's own attitude towards it), Economics ("The Dismal Science"), Linguistics (except by some, c.f. [[TheBigBangTheory [[Series/TheBigBangTheory Sheldon Cooper]]), &c.. Some can have a grudging respect for economics and political science, the two that tell if they will get any money for rockets and particle accelerators, but psychology, sociology and the like are AcceptableTargets.



* On ''TheBigBangTheory'', Sheldon (a theoretical physicist) is often belittling engineers (like Howard) even calling them "the [[Literature/CharlieAndTheChocolateFactory Oompa-Loompas]] of science" once. Of course, Sheldon tends to belittle anyone who doesn't live up to his lofty standards (i.e., everyone else), including his other friends Raj (an astrophysicist) and Leonard (an experimental physicist).

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* On ''TheBigBangTheory'', ''Series/TheBigBangTheory'', Sheldon (a theoretical physicist) is often belittling engineers (like Howard) even calling them "the [[Literature/CharlieAndTheChocolateFactory Oompa-Loompas]] of science" once. Of course, Sheldon tends to belittle anyone who doesn't live up to his lofty standards (i.e., everyone else), including his other friends Raj (an astrophysicist) and Leonard (an experimental physicist).
9th Mar '16 11:08:34 AM Soldancer
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* Unsurprisingly, hard sciences tend to very much look down on "pseudosciences" such as parapsychology or the study of the paranormal. The interesting thing is that there are a decent number of people using the scientific method to approach data collection and study in these fields.
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