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20th May '17 4:47:05 PM MadAnthony94
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*** In fact, ''40K'' makes the decision to blow up ''Fantasy'''s LeftJustifiedFantasyMap to fit an entire galaxy, with the Segmentum Obscurus (the bits "north" of Earth) including Fenris, Valhalla, and even its own Chaos-Wastes-In-Space, the Eye of Terror.
15th May '17 5:43:36 PM Fireblood
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* ''{{Literature/Redwall}}'': Allusions to the North being war-torn are made in most of the early books, and the later books that take place up there... In Rakkety Tam, we see a shipload of Northerners, cannibals all. A number of the vermin hordes come from there, not surprisingly.
7th May '17 4:49:33 PM Archimedes
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* In ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'', the fortress of Briggs is the furthest northern outpost of Amestris, defending against the [[FantasyCounterpartCulture hordes of]] [[GloriousMotherRussia Drachma]]. Up North, it's always snowing, and [[IceQueen Olivia Armstrong]] and her troops are always vigilant and deadly serious because they hold the responsibility of defending the nation with their lives.

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* In ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'', the fortress of Briggs is the furthest northern outpost of Amestris, defending against the [[FantasyCounterpartCulture hordes of]] [[GloriousMotherRussia Drachma]]. Up North, it's always snowing, and [[IceQueen Olivia General Olivier Armstrong]] and her troops are always vigilant and deadly serious because they hold the responsibility of defending the nation with their lives.
25th Apr '17 12:58:37 PM BeerBaron
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** The continent of [[{{Wutai}} Akavir]] has this going on. The northernmost territory is referred to as "Snow Hell" and is home of the Kamal, [[FantasyCounterpartCulture Mongol-inspired]] "snow demons" who [[HumanPopsicle freeze every winter]] and thaw out every spring to attack the Tang Mo "monkey folk" in a ViciousCycle.
19th Apr '17 3:28:26 PM CumbersomeTercel
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* In the ''Series/DoctorWho'' serial ''The Ribos Operation'', the locals on the planet Ribos assume that aliens, with their advanced technology, are from The Great North. A local heretic who holds the unpopular belief that the stars are not ice crystals but other worlds scoffs at this, as he's travelled to the north and knows there's no mighty empire there.

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* In the ''Series/DoctorWho'' serial ''The "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS16E1TheRibosOperation The Ribos Operation'', Operation]]", the locals on the planet Ribos assume that aliens, with their advanced technology, are from The Great North. A local heretic who holds the unpopular belief that the stars are not ice crystals but other worlds scoffs at this, as he's travelled to the north and knows there's no mighty empire there.
5th Apr '17 1:28:54 PM Paireon
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* In ''Literature/LoneWolf'', Kalte (icy wasteland populated with hostile barbarians, malevolent wildlife and as of book 3 an EvilSorcerer), the Darklands ({{Mordor}}) and Ixia (Mordor with more ice and SealedEvilInACan) fit this trope perfectly, but the heroic northern kingdoms of Sommerlund and Durenor avert it.

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* In ''Literature/LoneWolf'', Kalte (icy wasteland populated with hostile barbarians, malevolent wildlife and as of book 3 an EvilSorcerer), the Darklands ({{Mordor}}) ({{Mordor}}), the Drakkarim Kingdoms (evil Vikings with anachronistic gear and occasionally tech) and Ixia (Mordor with more ice ice, hordes of TheUndead and SealedEvilInACan) fit this trope perfectly, but the heroic northern kingdoms of Sommerlund and Durenor avert it.



** In ''Literature/TheSilmarillion'', Morgoth's fortress of Angband is in the north extreme of Beleriand (the North-West of Middle-Earth). Similarly, his first fortress, Utumno, was in the north of Middle Earth. Apparently, this is why North is cold.

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** In ''Literature/TheSilmarillion'', Morgoth's fortress of Angband is in the north extreme of Beleriand (the North-West of Middle-Earth). Similarly, his first fortress, Utumno, was in the north of Middle Earth. Apparently, [[EvilIsDeathlyCold this is why North is cold.cold]].



* In George R. R. Martin's ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'', the North is a vast, sparsely populated region of Westeros where life is hard, and the farther north you go, the harsher it gets. Westeros' years-long winters are felt to a greater degree than in the south, and months of howling blizzards and massive fields of snowbanks that can lock cities and castles shut and grind the march of armies to a halt are considered the ''prelude'' to the real winter. The culture of the North is plainer and less decadent than in the richer, more sophisticated South, and preserves the culture and religion of the ancient First Men and their nameless gods to a greater degree. Ironically enough the rulers of the North, the Starks of Winterfell, are among the most straightforwardly-heroic characters in the series. However this is contrasted with the Boltons of the [[IDontLikeTheSoundOfThatPlace Dreadfort]], who are known for their practise of [[FlayingAlive flaying]] their enemies. [[spoiler:Things become worse when Roose Bolton murders Robb Stark and takes control of the North, Roose's [[BastardBastard bastard]] [[{{Sadist}} Ramsay Snow/Bolton]] goes around committing atrocities.]]

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* In George R. R. Martin's ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'', the North is a vast, sparsely populated region of Westeros where life is hard, and the farther north you go, the harsher it gets. Westeros' years-long winters are felt to a greater degree than in the south, and months of howling blizzards and massive fields of snowbanks that can lock cities and castles shut and grind the march of armies to a halt are considered the ''prelude'' to the real winter. The culture of the North is plainer and less decadent than in the richer, more sophisticated South, and preserves the culture and religion of the ancient First Men and their nameless gods to a greater degree. Ironically enough the rulers of the North, the Starks of Winterfell, are among the most straightforwardly-heroic characters in the series. However this is contrasted with the Boltons of the [[IDontLikeTheSoundOfThatPlace Dreadfort]], who are known for their practise practice of [[FlayingAlive flaying]] their enemies. enemies (their coat of arms is even a flayed man). [[spoiler:Things become worse when Roose Bolton murders Robb Stark and takes control of the North, and Roose's [[BastardBastard bastard]] [[{{Sadist}} Ramsay Snow/Bolton]] goes around committing atrocities.]]



** The lands even more to the North than Cimmeria aren't very pleasant places either: Vanir and Asgard are still mostly glacier-covered, with things like mammoths, saber-toothed tigers and giants, and Hyperborea is home to a mysterious, savage culture both barbaric and sinisterly sorcerous.



* Finnish national composer Jean sibelius set parts of the national ''Kallevala'' mythology to music. One of the most gloomily evocative pieces is ''The Swan of Tuonela'', depicting the black swan representing Death swimming on Tuonela, the black lake of Death which is portal to the Afterlife. Needless to say the icy cold lake of Death and its totemic swan are in the Far North.

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* Finnish national composer Jean sibelius Sibelius set parts of the national ''Kallevala'' mythology to music. One of the most gloomily evocative pieces is ''The Swan of Tuonela'', depicting the black swan representing Death swimming on Tuonela, the black lake of Death which is portal to the Afterlife. Needless to say the icy cold lake of Death and its totemic swan are in the Far North.



* In early periods of the Japanese history, northern provinces were noticeably more grim than the rest of the country. Between general lawlesness (you either had sizable a private force... or not very high hopes about your life expectancy) and Ainu raids, there were also unforgiving cold weather. That's what become part of samurai charm, though--they were portrayed as hardened warriors from fringes of the civilization, as oposed to soft and decadent court aristocracy (that most people get fed up with at that point

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* In the early periods of the Japanese history, northern provinces were noticeably more grim than the rest of the country. Between general lawlesness lawlessness (you either had a sizable a private force... or not very high hopes about your life expectancy) and Ainu raids, there were was also unforgiving cold weather. That's what become became part of samurai charm, samurai's charm in later eras, though--they were portrayed as hardened warriors from fringes of the civilization, as oposed opposed to the soft and decadent court aristocracy (that most people get got fed up with at that point point).



* Denagoth, a suitably-grim northern realm with a spooky history and imperialistic intentions, was added to the ''TabletopGame/{{Mystara}}'' setting purely to play this trope as straight as possible.

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* Denagoth, a suitably-grim northern realm with a spooky history and imperialistic intentions, was added to the ''TabletopGame/{{Mystara}}'' setting purely to play this trope as straight as possible. The rest of the northern lands of the Known World aren't exactly pleasant either for the most part.



* {{TabletopGame/Pathfinder}}'s base setting of Golarion, not to be outdone, has a number of... ''interesting'' places in the northernmost reaches of Avistan, its Fantasy Counterpart Europe.



* The world of ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}}'' has arguably the grimmest up North in fiction. Past the merely inhospitable [[strike:Russia]] Kislev, you get to Norsca and the Kurgan lands (evil Vikings and evil Scythians, respectively), the closest of all the realms of men to the Powers of [[EldritchAbomination Chaos]], home to the marauder tribes that form the core of the LegionsOfHell and the Champions of Chaos who lead hordes of Chaos in war. In particular, the Norscans are the vanguard of those hordes as they are fanatically devoted to the Chaos Gods and are perhaps the cruelest and most vicious warriors to stalk the Old World, with a hatred of the South, in the particular the Empire, which dates back several thousand years to the age of [[MessianicArchetype Sigmar]]. Further north, through the Chaos Wastes (daemon-infested black deserts where [[RealityIsOutToLunch reality is wearing pretty damn thin]]) you eventually reach the Realm of Chaos, which is basically hell. ''All'' of these (except Kislev) regularly spew out TheLegionsOfHell to lay waste to the Old World.

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* The world of ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}}'' has arguably the grimmest up North in fiction. Past the merely inhospitable [[strike:Russia]] Kislev, you get to Norsca and the Kurgan lands (evil Vikings and evil Scythians, respectively), the closest of all the realms of men to the Powers of [[EldritchAbomination Chaos]], home to the marauder tribes that form the core of the LegionsOfHell and the Champions of Chaos who lead the hordes of Chaos in war. In particular, the Norscans are the vanguard of those hordes as they are fanatically devoted to the Chaos Gods and are perhaps the cruelest and most vicious warriors to stalk the Old World, with a hatred of the South, in the particular the Empire, which dates back several thousand years to the age of [[MessianicArchetype Sigmar]]. Further north, through the Chaos Wastes (daemon-infested black deserts where [[RealityIsOutToLunch reality is wearing pretty damn thin]]) you eventually reach the Realm of Chaos, which is basically hell.{{Hell}}. ''All'' of these (except Kislev) regularly spew out TheLegionsOfHell to lay waste to the Old World.
23rd Mar '17 3:36:07 PM gb00393
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** House Stark has this reputation. They live in the largest region, the aforementioned North, with harsh climate and subsequently harsh people. They are also the last great house of First Men's line and one of the last who worships the Old Gods and keeps the GoodOldWays, which is a bit looked down by the opulent South.

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** House Stark has this reputation. They live in the largest region, the aforementioned North, with harsh climate and subsequently harsh people. They are also the last great house of First Men's line and one of the last who worships the Old Gods and keeps the GoodOldWays, which is a bit looked down by the opulent South. Despite being from the North, Ned Stark is still the only unambiguously good guy in the setting. Played straight however in that he's still hard, cold and stoic.
22nd Mar '17 1:13:14 PM gb00393
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** House Stark has this reputation. They live in the largest region, the aforementioned North, with harsh climate and subsequently harsh people. They are also the last great house of First Men's line and one of the last who worships the Old Gods and keeps the GoodOldWays, which is a bit looked down by the opulent South.
12th Mar '17 5:02:35 PM gb00393
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** The North is colder, harsher, and less populated than the south and this trope is what most southerners would tell you about the North. The Northmen still love it though, much to the bewilderment of the South. The lands of the wildlings beyond the Wall are even worse, and beyond that is the wintry abode of the White Walkers: the Lands of Always Winter.

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** The North is colder, harsher, and less populated than the south and this trope is what most southerners would tell you about the North. The Northmen still love it though, much to the bewilderment of the South.
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The lands of the wildlings beyond the Wall are even worse, worse as there is little vegetation or arable land, along with a number of dangerous animals, and beyond that ''that'' is the wintry abode of the White Walkers: the Lands of Always Winter.Winter, which is just as treacherous as it sounds.
10th Mar '17 10:09:22 AM gb00393
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': The North is colder, harsher, and less populated than the south and this trope is what most southerners would tell you about the North. The Northmen still love it though, much to the bewilderment of the South. The lands of the wildlings beyond the Wall are even worse, and beyond that is the wintry abode of the White Walkers: the Lands of Always Winter.

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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': ''Series/GameOfThrones'':
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The North is colder, harsher, and less populated than the south and this trope is what most southerners would tell you about the North. The Northmen still love it though, much to the bewilderment of the South. The lands of the wildlings beyond the Wall are even worse, and beyond that is the wintry abode of the White Walkers: the Lands of Always Winter.Winter.
** While not in The North, the Iron Islands have this vibe, being grey and dreary due to their location, and the people are not much better. They're still well north of most of the rest of Westeros, though. In universe, most scholars agree that the Ironborn and Northmen are basically two branches of the same tribe.
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