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18th Jan '18 7:19:02 PM nombretomado
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* Goths are likely to be artistic; there are many who take an artful pride in their wardrobe, in making music related to their subculture, or any other creative field. Although it is very rare, however, non-artistic goths can still exist. Goths tend to value individuality and thinking differently, and this is where the distinctive wardrobe comes in. Black is the most popular colour of clothing in the scene, but many other colours are used, and back in 1978 (the year goth was born) when people complained about the "depressing wardrobe" of Joy Division fans they were complaining about grey, not black. Spooky clothing is popular, as is avant-garde fashion, ElegantGothicLolita ([[LolitaFashion and related styles]]) and DIY PunkRock clothing and haircuts. That being said, individuality is important; dressing to the nines 24/7 is not. And because of the emphasis on creativity, there are several clothing tropes commonly embodied by gothic fashionistas. The most common are: ImpracticallyFancyOutfit, OfCorsetsSexy, and, of course, PimpedOutDress. Applies equally to male and female outfits.

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* Goths are likely to be artistic; there are many who take an artful pride in their wardrobe, in making music related to their subculture, or any other creative field. Although it is very rare, however, non-artistic goths can still exist. Goths tend to value individuality and thinking differently, and this is where the distinctive wardrobe comes in. Black is the most popular colour of clothing in the scene, but many other colours are used, and back in 1978 (the year goth was born) when people complained about the "depressing wardrobe" of Joy Division fans they were complaining about grey, not black. Spooky clothing is popular, as is avant-garde fashion, ElegantGothicLolita ([[LolitaFashion ([[UsefulNotes/LolitaFashion and related styles]]) and DIY PunkRock clothing and haircuts. That being said, individuality is important; dressing to the nines 24/7 is not. And because of the emphasis on creativity, there are several clothing tropes commonly embodied by gothic fashionistas. The most common are: ImpracticallyFancyOutfit, OfCorsetsSexy, and, of course, PimpedOutDress. Applies equally to male and female outfits.
14th Dec '17 5:52:34 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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* An outdated trend, or DeaderThanDisco. (Many observers in RealLife mistake goth for a trend of TheNineties, and see its current fans as an example of DiscoDan type characters. The portrayal of adult goths in movies like ''Film/TheWorldsEnd'' don't help, nor do IWasQuiteAFashionVictim jokes about someone's past "goth phase.")

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* An outdated trend, or DeaderThanDisco. (Many observers in RealLife mistake goth for a trend of TheEighties and TheNineties, and see its current fans as an example of DiscoDan type characters. The portrayal of adult goths in movies like ''Film/TheWorldsEnd'' don't help, nor do IWasQuiteAFashionVictim jokes about someone's past "goth phase.")
5th Dec '17 10:21:00 PM WaterBlap
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* [[RussianMythologyandTales Russian Mythology]] foretold the existence of Lichs, a Lich was the remains of a powerful ruler or sorcerer who'd seal his/her's soul away when they die then gain immortality as a vile undead ruler making them a lot more threatening than the average Zombie.

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* [[RussianMythologyandTales Russian Mythology]] Myth/{{Russian Mythology|AndTales}} foretold the existence of Lichs, a Lich was the remains of a powerful ruler or sorcerer who'd seal his/her's soul away when they die then gain immortality as a vile undead ruler making them a lot more threatening than the average Zombie.
3rd Nov '17 8:02:34 PM freyalorelei
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There are, generally speaking, three major Goth stereotypes:

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There are, generally speaking, three major Goth goth stereotypes:



Most goths in fiction will be presented as {{Eerie Pale Skinned Brunette}}s who wear [[ColorCodedForYourConvenience only black]], [[HellBentForLeather leather]] [[EvilCostumeSwitch getups]], [[{{Moonburn}} suntan at night]] and listen to loud depressing music. It's worth noting that goth is neither a skin tone nor a fashion statement, so most media tend to treat goth characters almost as if it were a fashion or fad for a darker [[TheCutie Cutie]] to go after. Of course, thanks to Hot Topic and its ilk, Goth ''has'' been hijacked by a large number of people who think it's nothing but a fashion statement, making for a sort of TruthInTelevision that [[BerserkButton utterly infuriates]] (or nihilistically amuses, see above) "true" goths. There is also a tendency to equate goths with [[VampireVannabe vampire wannabees and the vampire-obsessed]]. While, like BDSM, there is some overlap between the two subcultures, and the post-[[UsefulNotes/VictorianBritain Victorian]] vampire can be considered a Goth icon, equating the two in the presence of a goth can be [[BerserkButton hazardous to your health]].

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Most goths in fiction will be presented as {{Eerie Pale Skinned Brunette}}s who wear [[ColorCodedForYourConvenience only black]], [[HellBentForLeather leather]] [[EvilCostumeSwitch getups]], [[{{Moonburn}} suntan at night]] and listen to loud depressing music. It's worth noting that goth is neither a skin tone nor a fashion statement, so most media tend to treat goth characters almost as if it were a fashion or fad for a darker [[TheCutie Cutie]] to go after. Of course, thanks to Hot Topic and its ilk, Goth goth ''has'' been hijacked by a large number of people who think it's nothing but a fashion statement, making for a sort of TruthInTelevision that [[BerserkButton utterly infuriates]] (or nihilistically amuses, see above) "true" goths. There is also a tendency to equate goths with [[VampireVannabe vampire wannabees wannabes and the vampire-obsessed]]. While, like BDSM, there is some overlap between the two subcultures, and the post-[[UsefulNotes/VictorianBritain Victorian]] vampire can be considered a Goth goth icon, equating the two in the presence of a goth can be [[BerserkButton hazardous to your health]].



Although there is a sort of Goth template, this template is built upon and changed dramatically to suit the individual's tastes. In order to be considered truly Goth, one must fulfill the majority of the following requirements (in order from least important to most important):

* The gothic subculture began with a certain genre of music, which we now recognize as GothRock but was originally considered no different than other PostPunk. As such, listening to both Goth Rock and some Post-punk are a basic requirement for participation within the subculture. Examples of Goth Rock bands include Music/{{Bauhaus}}, Music/TheSistersOfMercy, Music/FieldsOfTheNephilim, and Music/TheCure. Post-punk bands popular with goths include Music/JoyDivision, Music/SiouxsieAndTheBanshees (Siouxsie Sioux being a major fashion inspiration for gothic women even now), Music/AdamAndTheAnts (like Siouxsie Sioux, Adam Ant was a major influence on gothic fashion), and Music/KillingJoke. Many other genres of music are popular in the goth scene as well, including DarkWave, Deathrock, Ethereal, [[NewWaveMusic New Wave]], SynthPop, Coldwave, Horror Punk, GothicMetal, GlamRock, Dark Cabaret, {{Industrial}} (and sometimes IndustrialMetal), Neofolk, ClassicalMusic, and sometimes avant-garde jazz and blues. Examples of bands from these other genres can be found on last.fm or Website/{{Google}}. Certain other groups are sometimes seen as being goth, such as Music/MarilynManson or Music/{{Evanescence}}, but these bands do not have a clear musical connection to the two essential genres and are therefore not goth (and should also generally not be brought up around most goths).
* Goth is not a religious thing, but a secular youth culture based on a shared taste in music, books, and some fashion much like The Mods of the 1960's. However, one of the things that is very goth is open mindedness. Therefore, people such as [[UsefulNotes/NeoPaganism Neopagans]] and yes, even [[UsefulNotes/{{Satanism}} Satanists]] found themselves drawn into the creation of the early scene as they often felt like outsiders in "normal" society, and are still prevalent today. This can lead to nasty stereotyping that all goths are 'devil worshippers'; however this is still a rather small minority of goths. Despite these people being a minority, their presence is one of the things that make the modern scene as distinct and colourful as it is. The 'open minded' part of being goth has also lead to the subculture having a higher than average number of gay, queer, or trans individuals and UsefulNotes/{{BDSM}} enthusiasts.
* Goths are likely to be artistic; there are many who take an artful pride in their wardrobe, in making music related to their subculture, or any other creative field. Although it is very rare, however, non-artistic goths can still exist. Goths tend to value individuality and thinking differently, and this is where the distinctive wardrobe comes in. Black is the most popular colour of clothing in the scene, but many other colours are used, and back in 1978 (the year goth was born) when people complained about the "depressing wardrobe" of Joy Division fans they were complaining about grey, not black. Spooky clothing is popular, as is Avant-Garde fashion, ElegantGothicLolita ([[LolitaFashion and related styles]]) and DIY PunkRock clothing and haircuts. That being said, individuality is important, dressing to the nines 24/7 is not. And because of the emphasis on creativity, there are several clothing tropes commonly embodied by gothic fashionistas. The most common are: ImpracticallyFancyOutfit, OfCorsetsSexy, and, of course, PimpedOutDress. Applies equally to male and female outfits.
* Since Gothic Rock and Post-punk are both musical genres that often explore pain, death, and suffering, many people with trauma in their lives can feel drawn to the music and the subculture. Goths have also been shown scientifically to have a slightly higher level of mental illness than the general population; however this is still a minority of members of the subculture. No violent crime has ever been connected to the true, non Marilyn Manson goth scene.

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Although there is a sort of Goth goth template, this template is built upon and changed dramatically to suit the individual's tastes. In order to be considered truly Goth, goth, one must fulfill the majority of the following requirements (in order from least important to most important):

* The gothic subculture began with a certain genre of music, which we now recognize as GothRock but was originally considered no different than other PostPunk. As such, listening to both Goth Rock goth rock and some Post-punk are post-punk is a basic requirement for participation within the subculture. Examples of Goth Rock goth rock bands include Music/{{Bauhaus}}, Music/TheSistersOfMercy, Music/FieldsOfTheNephilim, and Music/TheCure. Post-punk bands popular with goths include Music/JoyDivision, Music/SiouxsieAndTheBanshees (Siouxsie Sioux being a major fashion inspiration for gothic women even now), Music/AdamAndTheAnts (like Siouxsie Sioux, Adam Ant was a major influence on gothic fashion), and Music/KillingJoke. Many other genres of music are popular in the goth scene as well, including DarkWave, Deathrock, Ethereal, [[NewWaveMusic New Wave]], SynthPop, Coldwave, Horror Punk, GothicMetal, GlamRock, Dark Cabaret, {{Industrial}} (and sometimes IndustrialMetal), Neofolk, ClassicalMusic, and sometimes avant-garde jazz and blues. Examples of bands from these other genres can be found on last.fm or Website/{{Google}}. Certain other groups are sometimes seen as being goth, such as Music/MarilynManson or Music/{{Evanescence}}, but these bands do not have a clear musical connection to the two essential genres and are therefore not goth (and should also generally not be brought up around most goths).
* Goth is not a religious thing, but a secular youth culture based on a shared taste in music, books, and some fashion much like The Mods TheMods of the 1960's. 1960s. However, one of the things that is very goth is open mindedness.open-mindedness. Therefore, people such as [[UsefulNotes/NeoPaganism Neopagans]] and yes, even [[UsefulNotes/{{Satanism}} Satanists]] found themselves drawn into the creation of the early scene as they often felt like outsiders in "normal" society, and are still prevalent today. This can lead to nasty stereotyping that all goths are 'devil worshippers'; "devil worshippers"; however this is still a rather small minority of goths. Despite these people being a minority, their presence is one of the things that make the modern scene as distinct and colourful as it is. The 'open minded' "open minded" part of being goth has also lead to the subculture having a higher than average number of gay, queer, or trans individuals and UsefulNotes/{{BDSM}} enthusiasts.
* Goths are likely to be artistic; there are many who take an artful pride in their wardrobe, in making music related to their subculture, or any other creative field. Although it is very rare, however, non-artistic goths can still exist. Goths tend to value individuality and thinking differently, and this is where the distinctive wardrobe comes in. Black is the most popular colour of clothing in the scene, but many other colours are used, and back in 1978 (the year goth was born) when people complained about the "depressing wardrobe" of Joy Division fans they were complaining about grey, not black. Spooky clothing is popular, as is Avant-Garde avant-garde fashion, ElegantGothicLolita ([[LolitaFashion and related styles]]) and DIY PunkRock clothing and haircuts. That being said, individuality is important, important; dressing to the nines 24/7 is not. And because of the emphasis on creativity, there are several clothing tropes commonly embodied by gothic fashionistas. The most common are: ImpracticallyFancyOutfit, OfCorsetsSexy, and, of course, PimpedOutDress. Applies equally to male and female outfits.
* Since Gothic Rock gothic rock and Post-punk post-punk are both musical genres that often explore pain, death, and suffering, many people with trauma in their lives can feel drawn to the music and the subculture. Goths have also been shown scientifically to have a slightly higher level of mental illness than the general population; however this is still a minority of members of the subculture. No violent crime has ever been connected to the true, non Marilyn non-Marilyn Manson goth scene.



* Goths are usually in it for the long haul; that is, they are generally not 'in a phase.' Individuality being valued means that many goths have a strong sense of self. Goths know who they are, what they listen to, what they read, and how they dress, and they aren't likely to change completely; they may simply 'bend the rules' and express themselves as they choose within set guidelines (Example: Dressing in black clothing with an Ankh Pendant at work but still not violating the dress code).
* Don't be surprised to learn that some Goths enjoy Music/{{Classical Music}} especially ones involving piano or violin pieces. Many of the songs can be either gloomy, triumphant or potentially inspiring which many Goths can relate to at times.

Note that a majority of these are required -- not all of them. Just because someone doesn't dress Goth doesn't mean they aren't -- as long as they fulfill most of the other qualifiers on that list, they are indeed Goth (some people just don't like the style. In fact, Claire's markets to the "Preppy Goth" niche, crossing what are usually opposing factions). Also, goths are going to fluctuate as to what degree they display each trait.

There are a few other things that Goth is not:

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* Goths are usually in it for the long haul; that is, they are generally not 'in "in a phase.' " Individuality being valued means that many goths have a strong sense of self. Goths know who they are, what they listen to, what they read, and how they dress, and they aren't likely to change completely; they may simply 'bend "bend the rules' rules" and express themselves as they choose within set guidelines (Example: Dressing (example: dressing in black clothing with an Ankh Pendant ankh pendant at work but still not violating the dress code).
* Don't be surprised to learn that some Goths goths enjoy Music/{{Classical Music}} Music}}, especially ones involving piano or violin pieces. Many of the songs can be either gloomy, triumphant triumphant, or potentially inspiring inspiring, which many Goths goths can relate to at times.

Note that a majority of these are required -- not all of them. Just because someone doesn't dress Goth goth doesn't mean they aren't -- as long as they fulfill most of the other qualifiers on that list, they are indeed Goth goth (some people just don't like the style. In fact, Claire's markets to the "Preppy Goth" "preppy goth" niche, crossing what are usually opposing factions). Also, goths are going to fluctuate as to what degree they display each trait.

There are a few other things that Goth goth is not:



* A Stereotype fuelled by depression, once again this is a fashion choice not all real Goths purposely become sad for nothing.
* Something to be shunned, again this stereotype only praises or enjoys demonic and dark interests. It doesn't make them real for all you religious types.

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* A Stereotype stereotype fuelled by depression, once depression. Once again this is a fashion choice choice; not all real Goths goths purposely become sad for nothing.
* Something to be shunned, shunned; again this stereotype only praises or enjoys demonic and dark interests. It doesn't make them real for all you religious types.



* Belarus and Romania from ''Webcomic/AxisPowersHetalia'' both wear rather eccentric clothing, not to mention the two have a rather dark nature behind their normality. In truth, Belarus is quite feared for its dictatorship lifestyle, and Romania's connected with Vampires.

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* Belarus and Romania from ''Webcomic/AxisPowersHetalia'' both wear rather eccentric clothing, not to mention the two have a rather dark nature behind their normality. In truth, Belarus is quite feared for its dictatorship lifestyle, and Romania's connected with Vampires.vampires.



* Arguably Freya from ''Manga/{{Chobits}}'' is a goth... She has the Gothic Lolita look, and she is the morbid side of Chi's usually chirpy personality.

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* Arguably Freya from ''Manga/{{Chobits}}'' is a goth...goth. She has the Gothic Lolita look, and she is the morbid side of Chi's usually chirpy personality.



** [[DarthVaderClone Hanzo the Salamander]] wears rather dull clothing mixing with an industrial theme which in turn symbolizes the Hidden Rain. The Hidden Rain itself is basically the Ninja World equivalent of a "Goth Country." Gloomy? Yes, creative? very, but somehow willing to change if it means improving its image.
** Two Uchiha arguably tip-toe near this stereotype, Madara and Itachi. Madara's appearance gives off the "vibe" mixed with his infamous personality and power, he represents the [[DarkIsEvil more negative parts of the trend.]] Itachi however leans towards the more positive, being that like most Goths he appears as a villain but once again [[DarkIsNotEvil looks can be deceiving.]]
* Tomoko Kuroki from ''Manga/NoMatterHowILookAtItItsYouGuysFaultImNotPopular'' may not dress like a Goth, but I kid you not her mindset is closest to one. Though that long, untamed hair and permanent [[CreepyShadowedUndereyes shadows under her eyes]] does this style justice.

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** [[DarthVaderClone Hanzo the Salamander]] wears rather dull clothing mixing with an industrial theme which in turn symbolizes the Hidden Rain. The Hidden Rain itself is basically the Ninja World equivalent of a "Goth Country." Gloomy? Yes, creative? very, Yes. Creative? Very, but somehow willing to change if it means improving its image.
** Two Uchiha arguably tip-toe near this stereotype, Madara and Itachi. Madara's appearance gives off the "vibe" mixed with his infamous personality and power, power; he represents the [[DarkIsEvil more negative parts of the trend.]] Itachi however Itachi, however, leans towards the more positive, being that since like most Goths goths he appears as a villain but once again [[DarkIsNotEvil looks can be deceiving.]]
* Tomoko Kuroki from ''Manga/NoMatterHowILookAtItItsYouGuysFaultImNotPopular'' may not dress like a Goth, goth, but I kid you not her mindset is closest to one. Though that long, untamed hair and permanent [[CreepyShadowedUndereyes shadows under her eyes]] does this style justice.



* The '90s run of ''Titans'' where Damage becomes a big fan of a slasher star named... Goth. Yeah, Goth. Oh, and it turns out Goth is actually a demon who uses his fell powers to convince his fans to kill themselves and shoot up schools. Oh, and Goth also fronts as a Marilyn Manson-style singer, so all the late '90s hysteria bases are covered.

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* The '90s run of ''Titans'' where Damage becomes a big fan of a slasher star named... Goth. Yeah, Goth. Oh, and it turns out Goth is actually a demon who uses his fell powers to convince his fans to kill themselves and shoot up schools. Oh, and Goth also fronts as a Marilyn Manson-style singer, so all the late '90s hysteria bases are covered.



* The bi-polar Tosh from ''Film/UrbanLegend'', though her main characteristic is being [[ReallyGetsAround the Campus Bicycle]].

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* The bi-polar bipolar Tosh from ''Film/UrbanLegend'', though her main characteristic is being [[ReallyGetsAround the Campus Bicycle]].


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* The title character Gypsy Vale from ''Gypsy 83'' and her best friend Clive are both goths. The plot revolves around their road trip to see Gypsy's idol Creator/StevieNicks in concert.
16th Oct '17 10:47:58 AM TheBigBopper
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* The [[LonersAreFreaks Lone Psycho]] Goth: At best, this character may have an obnoxious level of {{Wangst}}. At worst, this character will be well off the deep end of LonersAreFreaks, a card-carrying StrawNihilist, and may even be AxCrazy. It's worth pointing out that this formerly obscure stereotype was [[TheNewRockAndRoll pounced upon and dragged into the spotlight]] after the UsefulNotes/{{Columbine}} tragedy, simply because the shooters wore black trenchcoats and were erroneously reported to have listened to Music/MarilynManson (who is, contrary to popular misconceptions, not related to goth at all whatsoever).

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* The [[LonersAreFreaks Lone Psycho]] Goth: At best, this character may have an obnoxious level of {{Wangst}}. At worst, this character will be well off the deep end of LonersAreFreaks, a card-carrying StrawNihilist, and may even be AxCrazy. It's worth pointing out that this formerly obscure stereotype was [[TheNewRockAndRoll pounced upon and dragged into the spotlight]] after the UsefulNotes/{{Columbine}} tragedy, simply because the shooters wore black trenchcoats and were erroneously reported to have listened to Music/MarilynManson (who is, contrary to popular misconceptions, not related to connected with goth culture at all whatsoever).all).
28th Aug '17 9:43:19 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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* Wiki/{{Uncyclopedia}}'s article for goths describes them as "[[IThoughtItMeant a violent East Germanic tribe of barbarians]] who proved to be a great nuisance for the Roman Empire from the 1970's to 1990's, [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking primarily with their bad taste in music and dark eyeliner]]." It comes complete with a photoshopped picture of American Gothic (as goths) and lists the "Emoae tribe" as their chief enemies.

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* Wiki/{{Uncyclopedia}}'s article for goths describes them as "[[IThoughtItMeant a violent East Germanic tribe of barbarians]] who proved to be a great nuisance for the [[UsefulNotes/TheRomanEmpire Roman Empire Empire]] from the 1970's to 1990's, [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking primarily with their bad taste in music and dark eyeliner]]." It comes complete with a photoshopped picture of American Gothic (as goths) and lists the "Emoae tribe" as their chief enemies.
17th Jul '17 3:52:05 PM bikergeek66
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* ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoViceCity'' has Konstantinos Smith, a studio guest on in-game public-radio station VCPR as a parody of a stereotypical Goth.
13th Jul '17 11:24:30 AM NyxShadowhawk
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* Dark Magic throughout history has always been seen as negative and gritty, wielders of said magic like [[GothGirlsKnowMagic Witches]] are often depicted to be early Goth characters.Sadly these stories were to blame for the murder of many potentially innocent women back in Ancient times.

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* Dark Magic throughout history has always been seen as negative and gritty, wielders of said magic like [[GothGirlsKnowMagic Witches]] are often depicted to be early Goth characters.Sadly these stories were to blame for the murder of many potentially innocent women back in Ancient times.the Early Modern period.
22nd May '17 7:49:18 PM JMQwilleran
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* In the children's chapter book ''Waylon! One Awesome Thing'', Waylon's sister, Charlotte, has taken to calling herself "Neon," dying her hair and painting her nails black and generally behaving as a gloomy, nihilistic goth. [[spoiler:However, it's all an act so that she can get some peace from the cliques that have started forming at her school.]]

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* In the children's chapter book ''Waylon! One Awesome Thing'', Waylon's sister, Charlotte, has taken to calling herself "Neon," dying her hair and painting her nails black and generally behaving as a gloomy, nihilistic goth. [[spoiler:However, it's all an act so that she can get some peace from the cliques that have started forming at her school. Things get a lot more comfortable for her and her family once she admits to them that it's all an act and they agree to keep her secret.]]
20th May '17 10:36:45 PM Prometheus117
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* Lucy Loud from ''WesternAnimation/TheLoudHouse'' is extremely goth- she dresses in black, is obsessed with all things morbid and otherworldly, speaks in a monotone and writes depressing poetry.

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* Lucy Loud from ''WesternAnimation/TheLoudHouse'' is extremely goth- an eight-year-old who breathes the idea of "goth"- she dresses in and dyes her hair black, is obsessed with all things morbid and otherworldly, otherworldly like fortune-telling and the occult, keeps creepy animals like bats as pets, speaks in a monotone and writes depressing poetry.poetry. Noticeably, this has nothing to do with her family life; she very much loves her family and they her even if even they're creeped out at times by how far she takes her lifestyle, and flashbacks show she had this mindset even when she was younger.
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