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11th Nov '17 9:03:35 PM angie710
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||'''Abortion ''' ||against her will, when the pregnancy is due to a rape ||response to casual sex

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||'''Abortion ''' ||against her will, when the pregnancy is due to a rape ||response to casual sexsex or [[YourCheatingHeart adultery]]
10th Nov '17 7:39:01 PM angie710
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||'''Cancer ''' ||hazardous worker, accidental toxin exposure, child victims ||smoker

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||'''Cancer ''' ||hazardous worker, accidental toxin exposure, child victims ||smoker||smoker, heavy drinker, overweight or obese
7th Nov '17 5:25:49 PM angie710
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||'''AIDS ''' ||in-utero, transfusion, rape victim ||sex, shared drug needles, rapist ||

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||'''AIDS ''' ||in-utero, transfusion, rape victim ||sex, ||sex (especially if it was ''gay'' sex), shared drug needles, rapist ||
7th Nov '17 5:25:19 PM angie710
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A morality trope about the arbitrary distinctions writers make between certain sorts of victims. If a character in fiction has a problem or ailment or social situation, and the creators intend him to be sympathetic, the character will have acquired the problem in the most socially acceptable way. If the character isn't sympathetic, then he will have contracted the illness through [[UsefulNotes/VictimBlaming "your own damn fault".]]

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A morality trope about the arbitrary distinctions writers make between certain sorts of victims. If a character in fiction has a problem or ailment or social situation, and the creators intend him to be sympathetic, the character will have acquired the problem in the most socially acceptable way. If the character isn't sympathetic, then he will have contracted the illness through [[UsefulNotes/VictimBlaming "your own damn fault".]]
]] Compare and contrast LoserProtagonist.
11th Jul '17 4:13:01 PM Dancedom
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* Cited in ''Film/{{Malice}}''. When a woman sues her doctor for removing her ovaries due to his mistaken belief that they were necrotic and would have killed her via sepsis, his lawyer describes her, "A lovely young woman married to a handsome young man. He's an English teacher, she's a hospital volunteer. They buy a big old house and want to fix it up and fill it with children. That is a Norma Rockwell painting and you slashed it to bits with your scalpel." But when her husband discovers that she'd been cheating on him, he goes to the doctor and urges him to fight against the settlement, pointing out that the large amount was because "The jury thought they were dealing with Snow White. What if Snow White were sleeping with her lawyer?".

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* Cited in ''Film/{{Malice}}''. When a woman Tracy sues her doctor Jed for removing her ovaries due to his mistaken belief that they were necrotic and would have killed her via sepsis, his lawyer describes her, "A lovely young woman married to a handsome young man. He's an English teacher, she's a hospital volunteer. They buy a big old house and want to fix it up and fill it with children. That is a Norma Norman Rockwell painting and you slashed it to bits with your scalpel." But when her husband Andy discovers that she'd been cheating on him, he goes to the doctor Jed and urges him to fight against the settlement, pointing out that the large amount was because "The jury thought they were dealing with Snow White. What if Snow White were sleeping with her lawyer?".
29th Jun '17 10:57:46 AM Give1Take2
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** If a character massacres a human noble family, like Rendon Howe to the Cousland family in ''[[VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins DAO]]'' and [[spoiler:Thom Rainier]] to his commander's entire family in ''[[VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition DAI]], they are depicted as complete monster and the family as unambiguous victims. However, if a character massacres mages or elves, odds are the narrative treats it as a [[GreyAndGrayMorality morally ambiguous]], if not [[IDidWhatIHadToDo justifiable]], decision; along with in-universe justifications for what the mages and/or elves did or might have done to deserve getting killed.
26th Apr '17 2:30:33 AM Fireblood
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||'''Abortion ''' ||against her will ||response to casual sex

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||'''Abortion ''' ||against her will will, when the pregnancy is due to a rape ||response to casual sex
7th Feb '17 7:49:31 PM Give1Take2
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** The Orlesian Empire is infamous for conquering and occupying its many neighbors, especially Ferelden (the setting of the first game) and the Elven Dales. Their occupying Ferelden, Nevara, and other human nations is depicted as 100% inexcusable, yet most in-universe characters and codex entries excuse Orlais' conquer of the Elven Dales as the elves' own fault because they didn't help against the Blight a few decades before, and were acting too "isolationist" and "unfriendly" when Orlais sent missionaries and trade caravans into their border (even though Orlais was leading Imperialist expansion campaigns against their other neighbors at the same time). [[note]]Elves had just recently been granted freedom after millennia of slavery under humans, and were focusing on trying to restore their half-forgotten lore that they lost during their period of slavery under humans. [[http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_The_Exalted_March_of_the_Dales One codex entry]] speculates that Orlais was clearly undermining the elves' autonomy, and notes how the conveniently placed the Dales is between Orlais and its eventual prize of Ferelden.[[/note]]
** Even characters who feel sorry for mages being abused by Templars tend to feel this way about [[BloodMagic maleficar]]. It doesn't matter how badly the mage was abused beforehand; as soon as they're discovered to have dabbled in blood magic (even if they never used it to hurt anyone in their lives) they're instantly deemed unworthy of any sympathy, at fault for anything bad that happened to them, and condemned to death or [[EmptyShell Tranquility]].
* ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'': Most mage characters are depicted sympathetically for all the horrors and abuses they suffer under Templars... ''until'' they're discovered to have dabbled in blood magic and/or demon summon. Then they're depicted as AlwaysChaoticEvil and/or TooDumbToLive. Even Anders, the most [[SingleIssueWonk notoriously pro-mage companion in the franchise]], doesn't feel blood mages deserve any sympathy or second chances.
* ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'': Elven companion Sera has a lot of pity for the nondescript "common folk" (Andrastian humans, "non-elfy" elves, and surface dwarves) who are oppressed by cruel and abusive nobles, but has no such pity for mages or [[BoomerangBigot "elfy" elves]]. She figures that the former's magic being dangerous to the common folk and the latter's "us against them" attitude toward humans means they ''deserve'' how they're treated.

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** The Orlesian Empire is infamous for conquering and occupying most of its many neighbors, especially Ferelden (the setting of the first game) and the Elven Dales. Their occupying Ferelden, Nevara, and other human nations conquering Ferelden is depicted as 100% inexcusable, yet most inexcusable in-universe characters and codex entries excuse Orlais' out, yet their conquer of the Elven Dales is ''frequently'' dismissed as the elves' own fault because they didn't help against the Blight [[WorldWreckingWave Blight]] a few decades before, and were acting too "isolationist" and "unfriendly" when Orlais sent missionaries and trade caravans into their border (even though Orlais was leading Imperialist expansion campaigns against their other neighbors at the same time). [[note]]Elves time, and the elves had just very good reason not to trust them). [[note]]Not to mention the backstory leading up to it. The Elves had recently been granted freedom after millennia of slavery and cultural genocide under humans, and were focusing on trying to restore their half-forgotten lore that they lost during when Orlais sent missionaries to undermine their period of slavery under humans.autonomy. [[http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_The_Exalted_March_of_the_Dales One codex entry]] speculates that Orlais was clearly undermining the elves' autonomy, and notes how the conveniently placed the Dales is between Orlais and its eventual prize of Ferelden.[[/note]]
** Even characters who feel sorry for mages being abused by Templars tend to feel this way about [[BloodMagic maleficar]]. blood mages]]. It doesn't matter how badly the mage was abused by Templars beforehand; as soon as they're discovered to have dabbled in blood magic (even if they never used it to hurt anyone in their lives) anyone) they're instantly deemed unworthy of any sympathy, at fault for anything bad that happened to them, and condemned to death or [[EmptyShell Tranquility]].
* ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'': Most mage characters are depicted sympathetically for all the horrors and abuses they suffer under Templars... ''until'' they're discovered to have dabbled in blood magic and/or demon summon. Then they're depicted as AlwaysChaoticEvil and/or TooDumbToLive. Even Anders, the most [[SingleIssueWonk notoriously pro-mage companion in the franchise]], doesn't feel blood mages deserve any sympathy or second chances.
* ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'': Elven companion Sera has a lot of pity for the nondescript "common folk" (Andrastian humans, "non-elfy" elves, and surface dwarves) who are oppressed by cruel and abusive nobles, but has no such pity for mages or [[BoomerangBigot "elfy" elves]]. She figures that the former's magic being dangerous to the common folk and the latter's "us against them" attitude wariness toward humans human commoners means they ''deserve'' how they're treated.
6th Feb '17 6:13:40 AM Koveras
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* ''VideoGame/DragonAge2'': Most mage characters are depicted sympathetically for all the horrors and abuses they suffer under Templars... ''until'' they're discovered to have dabbled in blood magic and/or demon summon. Then they're depicted as AlwaysChaoticEvil and/or TooDumbToLive. Even Anders, the most [[SingleIssueWonk notoriously pro-mage companion in the franchise]], doesn't feel blood mages deserve any sympathy or second chances.

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* ''VideoGame/DragonAge2'': ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'': Most mage characters are depicted sympathetically for all the horrors and abuses they suffer under Templars... ''until'' they're discovered to have dabbled in blood magic and/or demon summon. Then they're depicted as AlwaysChaoticEvil and/or TooDumbToLive. Even Anders, the most [[SingleIssueWonk notoriously pro-mage companion in the franchise]], doesn't feel blood mages deserve any sympathy or second chances.
19th Jan '17 8:21:33 PM Give1Take2
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** Even characters who feel sorry for mages being abused by Templars tend to feel this way about [[BloodMagic blood mages]]. It doesn't matter how badly the mage was abused beforehand; as soon as they're discovered to have dabbled in blood magic (even if they never used it to hurt anyone in their lives) they're instantly deemed unworthy of any sympathy, at fault for anything bad that happened to them, and condemned to death or [[EmptyShell Tranquility]].
* ''VideoGame/DragonAge2'': Most mage characters are depicted sympathetically for all the horrors and abuses they suffer under Templars... ''until'' they're discovered to have dabbled in blood magic. Even Anders, the most [[SingleIssueWonk notoriously pro-mage companion in the franchise]], doesn't feel blood mages deserve any sympathy or second chances.

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** Even characters who feel sorry for mages being abused by Templars tend to feel this way about [[BloodMagic blood mages]].maleficar]]. It doesn't matter how badly the mage was abused beforehand; as soon as they're discovered to have dabbled in blood magic (even if they never used it to hurt anyone in their lives) they're instantly deemed unworthy of any sympathy, at fault for anything bad that happened to them, and condemned to death or [[EmptyShell Tranquility]].
* ''VideoGame/DragonAge2'': Most mage characters are depicted sympathetically for all the horrors and abuses they suffer under Templars... ''until'' they're discovered to have dabbled in blood magic.magic and/or demon summon. Then they're depicted as AlwaysChaoticEvil and/or TooDumbToLive. Even Anders, the most [[SingleIssueWonk notoriously pro-mage companion in the franchise]], doesn't feel blood mages deserve any sympathy or second chances.
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