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11th Jul '17 4:13:01 PM Dancedom
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* Cited in ''Film/{{Malice}}''. When a woman sues her doctor for removing her ovaries due to his mistaken belief that they were necrotic and would have killed her via sepsis, his lawyer describes her, "A lovely young woman married to a handsome young man. He's an English teacher, she's a hospital volunteer. They buy a big old house and want to fix it up and fill it with children. That is a Norma Rockwell painting and you slashed it to bits with your scalpel." But when her husband discovers that she'd been cheating on him, he goes to the doctor and urges him to fight against the settlement, pointing out that the large amount was because "The jury thought they were dealing with Snow White. What if Snow White were sleeping with her lawyer?".

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* Cited in ''Film/{{Malice}}''. When a woman Tracy sues her doctor Jed for removing her ovaries due to his mistaken belief that they were necrotic and would have killed her via sepsis, his lawyer describes her, "A lovely young woman married to a handsome young man. He's an English teacher, she's a hospital volunteer. They buy a big old house and want to fix it up and fill it with children. That is a Norma Norman Rockwell painting and you slashed it to bits with your scalpel." But when her husband Andy discovers that she'd been cheating on him, he goes to the doctor Jed and urges him to fight against the settlement, pointing out that the large amount was because "The jury thought they were dealing with Snow White. What if Snow White were sleeping with her lawyer?".
29th Jun '17 10:57:46 AM Give1Take2
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** If a character massacres a human noble family, like Rendon Howe to the Cousland family in ''[[VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins DAO]]'' and [[spoiler:Thom Rainier]] to his commander's entire family in ''[[VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition DAI]], they are depicted as complete monster and the family as unambiguous victims. However, if a character massacres mages or elves, odds are the narrative treats it as a [[GreyAndGrayMorality morally ambiguous]], if not [[IDidWhatIHadToDo justifiable]], decision; along with in-universe justifications for what the mages and/or elves did or might have done to deserve getting killed.
26th Apr '17 2:30:33 AM Fireblood
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7th Feb '17 7:49:31 PM Give1Take2
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** The Orlesian Empire is infamous for conquering and occupying its many neighbors, especially Ferelden (the setting of the first game) and the Elven Dales. Their occupying Ferelden, Nevara, and other human nations is depicted as 100% inexcusable, yet most in-universe characters and codex entries excuse Orlais' conquer of the Elven Dales as the elves' own fault because they didn't help against the Blight a few decades before, and were acting too "isolationist" and "unfriendly" when Orlais sent missionaries and trade caravans into their border (even though Orlais was leading Imperialist expansion campaigns against their other neighbors at the same time). [[note]]Elves had just recently been granted freedom after millennia of slavery under humans, and were focusing on trying to restore their half-forgotten lore that they lost during their period of slavery under humans. [[http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_The_Exalted_March_of_the_Dales One codex entry]] speculates that Orlais was clearly undermining the elves' autonomy, and notes how the conveniently placed the Dales is between Orlais and its eventual prize of Ferelden.[[/note]]
** Even characters who feel sorry for mages being abused by Templars tend to feel this way about [[BloodMagic maleficar]]. It doesn't matter how badly the mage was abused beforehand; as soon as they're discovered to have dabbled in blood magic (even if they never used it to hurt anyone in their lives) they're instantly deemed unworthy of any sympathy, at fault for anything bad that happened to them, and condemned to death or [[EmptyShell Tranquility]].
* ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'': Most mage characters are depicted sympathetically for all the horrors and abuses they suffer under Templars... ''until'' they're discovered to have dabbled in blood magic and/or demon summon. Then they're depicted as AlwaysChaoticEvil and/or TooDumbToLive. Even Anders, the most [[SingleIssueWonk notoriously pro-mage companion in the franchise]], doesn't feel blood mages deserve any sympathy or second chances.
* ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'': Elven companion Sera has a lot of pity for the nondescript "common folk" (Andrastian humans, "non-elfy" elves, and surface dwarves) who are oppressed by cruel and abusive nobles, but has no such pity for mages or [[BoomerangBigot "elfy" elves]]. She figures that the former's magic being dangerous to the common folk and the latter's "us against them" attitude toward humans means they ''deserve'' how they're treated.

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** The Orlesian Empire is infamous for conquering and occupying most of its many neighbors, especially Ferelden (the setting of the first game) and the Elven Dales. Their occupying Ferelden, Nevara, and other human nations conquering Ferelden is depicted as 100% inexcusable, yet most inexcusable in-universe characters and codex entries excuse Orlais' out, yet their conquer of the Elven Dales is ''frequently'' dismissed as the elves' own fault because they didn't help against the Blight [[WorldWreckingWave Blight]] a few decades before, and were acting too "isolationist" and "unfriendly" when Orlais sent missionaries and trade caravans into their border (even though Orlais was leading Imperialist expansion campaigns against their other neighbors at the same time). [[note]]Elves time, and the elves had just very good reason not to trust them). [[note]]Not to mention the backstory leading up to it. The Elves had recently been granted freedom after millennia of slavery and cultural genocide under humans, and were focusing on trying to restore their half-forgotten lore that they lost during when Orlais sent missionaries to undermine their period of slavery under humans.autonomy. [[http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_The_Exalted_March_of_the_Dales One codex entry]] speculates that Orlais was clearly undermining the elves' autonomy, and notes how the conveniently placed the Dales is between Orlais and its eventual prize of Ferelden.[[/note]]
** Even characters who feel sorry for mages being abused by Templars tend to feel this way about [[BloodMagic maleficar]]. blood mages]]. It doesn't matter how badly the mage was abused by Templars beforehand; as soon as they're discovered to have dabbled in blood magic (even if they never used it to hurt anyone in their lives) anyone) they're instantly deemed unworthy of any sympathy, at fault for anything bad that happened to them, and condemned to death or [[EmptyShell Tranquility]].
* ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'': Most mage characters are depicted sympathetically for all the horrors and abuses they suffer under Templars... ''until'' they're discovered to have dabbled in blood magic and/or demon summon. Then they're depicted as AlwaysChaoticEvil and/or TooDumbToLive. Even Anders, the most [[SingleIssueWonk notoriously pro-mage companion in the franchise]], doesn't feel blood mages deserve any sympathy or second chances.
* ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'': Elven companion Sera has a lot of pity for the nondescript "common folk" (Andrastian humans, "non-elfy" elves, and surface dwarves) who are oppressed by cruel and abusive nobles, but has no such pity for mages or [[BoomerangBigot "elfy" elves]]. She figures that the former's magic being dangerous to the common folk and the latter's "us against them" attitude wariness toward humans human commoners means they ''deserve'' how they're treated.
6th Feb '17 6:13:40 AM Koveras
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* ''VideoGame/DragonAge2'': Most mage characters are depicted sympathetically for all the horrors and abuses they suffer under Templars... ''until'' they're discovered to have dabbled in blood magic and/or demon summon. Then they're depicted as AlwaysChaoticEvil and/or TooDumbToLive. Even Anders, the most [[SingleIssueWonk notoriously pro-mage companion in the franchise]], doesn't feel blood mages deserve any sympathy or second chances.

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* ''VideoGame/DragonAge2'': ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'': Most mage characters are depicted sympathetically for all the horrors and abuses they suffer under Templars... ''until'' they're discovered to have dabbled in blood magic and/or demon summon. Then they're depicted as AlwaysChaoticEvil and/or TooDumbToLive. Even Anders, the most [[SingleIssueWonk notoriously pro-mage companion in the franchise]], doesn't feel blood mages deserve any sympathy or second chances.
19th Jan '17 8:21:33 PM Give1Take2
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** Even characters who feel sorry for mages being abused by Templars tend to feel this way about [[BloodMagic blood mages]]. It doesn't matter how badly the mage was abused beforehand; as soon as they're discovered to have dabbled in blood magic (even if they never used it to hurt anyone in their lives) they're instantly deemed unworthy of any sympathy, at fault for anything bad that happened to them, and condemned to death or [[EmptyShell Tranquility]].
* ''VideoGame/DragonAge2'': Most mage characters are depicted sympathetically for all the horrors and abuses they suffer under Templars... ''until'' they're discovered to have dabbled in blood magic. Even Anders, the most [[SingleIssueWonk notoriously pro-mage companion in the franchise]], doesn't feel blood mages deserve any sympathy or second chances.

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** Even characters who feel sorry for mages being abused by Templars tend to feel this way about [[BloodMagic blood mages]].maleficar]]. It doesn't matter how badly the mage was abused beforehand; as soon as they're discovered to have dabbled in blood magic (even if they never used it to hurt anyone in their lives) they're instantly deemed unworthy of any sympathy, at fault for anything bad that happened to them, and condemned to death or [[EmptyShell Tranquility]].
* ''VideoGame/DragonAge2'': Most mage characters are depicted sympathetically for all the horrors and abuses they suffer under Templars... ''until'' they're discovered to have dabbled in blood magic.magic and/or demon summon. Then they're depicted as AlwaysChaoticEvil and/or TooDumbToLive. Even Anders, the most [[SingleIssueWonk notoriously pro-mage companion in the franchise]], doesn't feel blood mages deserve any sympathy or second chances.
19th Jan '17 4:19:30 PM Give1Take2
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* ''Franchise/DragonAge'':
** The Orlesian Empire is infamous for conquering and occupying its many neighbors, especially Ferelden (the setting of the first game) and the Elven Dales. Their occupying Ferelden, Nevara, and other human nations is depicted as 100% inexcusable, yet most in-universe characters and codex entries excuse Orlais' conquer of the Elven Dales as the elves' own fault because they didn't help against the Blight a few decades before, and were acting too "isolationist" and "unfriendly" when Orlais sent missionaries and trade caravans into their border (even though Orlais was leading Imperialist expansion campaigns against their other neighbors at the same time). [[note]]Elves had just recently been granted freedom after millennia of slavery under humans, and were focusing on trying to restore their half-forgotten lore that they lost during their period of slavery under humans. [[http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_The_Exalted_March_of_the_Dales One codex entry]] speculates that Orlais was clearly undermining the elves' autonomy, and notes how the conveniently placed the Dales is between Orlais and its eventual prize of Ferelden.[[/note]]
** Even characters who feel sorry for mages being abused by Templars tend to feel this way about [[BloodMagic blood mages]]. It doesn't matter how badly the mage was abused beforehand; as soon as they're discovered to have dabbled in blood magic (even if they never used it to hurt anyone in their lives) they're instantly deemed unworthy of any sympathy, at fault for anything bad that happened to them, and condemned to death or [[EmptyShell Tranquility]].
* ''VideoGame/DragonAge2'': Most mage characters are depicted sympathetically for all the horrors and abuses they suffer under Templars... ''until'' they're discovered to have dabbled in blood magic. Even Anders, the most [[SingleIssueWonk notoriously pro-mage companion in the franchise]], doesn't feel blood mages deserve any sympathy or second chances.
* ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'': Elven companion Sera has a lot of pity for the nondescript "common folk" (Andrastian humans, "non-elfy" elves, and surface dwarves) who are oppressed by cruel and abusive nobles, but has no such pity for mages or [[BoomerangBigot "elfy" elves]]. She figures that the former's magic being dangerous to the common folk and the latter's "us against them" attitude toward humans means they ''deserve'' how they're treated.
31st Aug '16 3:39:29 PM LaptopGuy
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||'''Rape ''' ||chaste woman ||promiscuous woman, [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale man]] ||
||'''Unemployment''' ||Laid off, displaced ||[[{{NEET}} never hired]], fired regardless of circumstances ||

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||'''Cancer ''' ||hazardous worker, accidental toxin exposure ||smoker

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||'''Cancer ''' ||hazardous worker, accidental toxin exposure exposure, child victims ||smoker



||'''Disaster ''' ||Absolutely unforeseen, at least by the general populace, new, not result of victim action ||Foreseen by everyone but willingly ignored, known hazard, victims caused or contributed

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||'''Disaster ''' ||Absolutely unforeseen, at least by the general populace, new, not result of victim action action, government negligence ||Foreseen by everyone but willingly ignored, known hazard, victims caused or contributedcontributed, third world country



||'''Murder''' ||[[ChildrenAreInnocent innocent child]], TokenWholesome ||AssholeVictim, DisposableSexWorker ||

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||'''Murder''' ||[[ChildrenAreInnocent innocent child]], woman murdered by husband/boyfriend, TokenWholesome ||AssholeVictim, DisposableSexWorker ||
13th Aug '16 2:14:19 PM Morgenthaler
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* Tatum O'Neal's autobiography ''{{A Paper Life}}'' claims her father's reaction to finding out she was molested by her drug dealer was to accuse her of leading him on.
* ''AnitaBlake'' has most shapeshifters contract lycanthropy from attacks by a were-whatever, making them the survivors of a vicious attack. Only a very few chose the life voluntarily.
* ''WildCards'' has Aces and Jokers-they have the same virus, but their reception by the public varies based on which manifestation of it they got. And they're not written necessarily sympathetically if they're pretty aces, or hatefully if they're deformed jokers either.
* Debbie Morris writes in her book "{{Forgiving the Dead Man Walking}}" that she was considered a bad victim for her kidnapping and rape by many people in her town due to her having broken curfew.

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* Tatum O'Neal's autobiography ''{{A ''Literature/{{A Paper Life}}'' claims her father's reaction to finding out she was molested by her drug dealer was to accuse her of leading him on.
* ''AnitaBlake'' ''Literature/AnitaBlake'' has most shapeshifters contract lycanthropy from attacks by a were-whatever, making them the survivors of a vicious attack. Only a very few chose the life voluntarily.
* ''WildCards'' ''Literature/WildCards'' has Aces and Jokers-they have the same virus, but their reception by the public varies based on which manifestation of it they got. And they're not written necessarily sympathetically if they're pretty aces, or hatefully if they're deformed jokers either.
* Debbie Morris writes in her book "{{Forgiving "Literature/{{Forgiving the Dead Man Walking}}" that she was considered a bad victim for her kidnapping and rape by many people in her town due to her having broken curfew.



* Rain "daughter of [[Creator/RichardPryor Richard]]" Pryor wrote in ''{{Jokes My Father Never Taught Me}}'' that her father blamed her for her teenage sexual assault due to the way she dressed

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* Rain "daughter of [[Creator/RichardPryor Richard]]" Pryor wrote in ''{{Jokes ''Literature/{{Jokes My Father Never Taught Me}}'' that her father blamed her for her teenage sexual assault due to the way she dressed



* ''SweetValleyHigh'': Lila's lacquered appearance and dating history lead to her being blamed and disbelieved when seemingly nice guy John Pfeifer tries to rape her
* ''TheLostGirl'', a true crime biography by Caroline Roberts who was kidnapped by Fred and Rose West, describes how they got away with raping her due to her having had a couple of one-night stands.

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* ''SweetValleyHigh'': ''Literature/SweetValleyHigh'': Lila's lacquered appearance and dating history lead to her being blamed and disbelieved when seemingly nice guy John Pfeifer tries to rape her
* ''TheLostGirl'', ''Literature/TheLostGirl'', a true crime biography by Caroline Roberts who was kidnapped by Fred and Rose West, describes how they got away with raping her due to her having had a couple of one-night stands.



* ''FootballersWives'' had a groupie raped while unconscious at a party of footballers who is payed off when the club owners persuade her that her actions at the party will be used against her.

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* ''FootballersWives'' ''Series/FootballersWives'' had a groupie raped while unconscious at a party of footballers who is payed off when the club owners persuade her that her actions at the party will be used against her.



* Danni Sutherland in ''HomeAndAway'' is partially blamed for being raped for the way she dresses.

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* Danni Sutherland in ''HomeAndAway'' ''Series/HomeAndAway'' is partially blamed for being raped for the way she dresses.
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