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7th Dec '16 11:28:23 AM Morgenthaler
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Compare NobleDemon, who will likely fall into this if not too morally ambiguous. Often a KnightInSourArmor, MrViceGuy, JerkWithAHeartOfGold, JerkassWoobie, or sometimes just a {{Jerkass}} who does good things. The term AntiHero is sometimes used to cover this trope. Sister trope to CreepyGood. [[NaiveNewcomer Naive newcomers may be surprised to learn they [[WartsAndAll are not the idealized hero everyone thinks they is]]. This type of characters will turn out to be [[HeroWithBadPublicity heroes with bad publicity]].

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Compare NobleDemon, who will likely fall into this if not too morally ambiguous. Often a KnightInSourArmor, MrViceGuy, JerkWithAHeartOfGold, JerkassWoobie, or sometimes just a {{Jerkass}} who does good things. The term AntiHero is sometimes used to cover this trope. Sister trope to CreepyGood. [[NaiveNewcomer Naive newcomers newcomers]] may be surprised to learn they [[WartsAndAll are not the idealized hero everyone thinks they is]]. This type of characters will turn out to be [[HeroWithBadPublicity heroes with bad publicity]].
5th Dec '16 3:21:54 PM Morgenthaler
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** Mab, and the Winter Court in general. Normally, with TheFairFolk, Summer (Seelie) fae are seen as the 'good guys' and Winter (Unseelie) are the 'bad guys.' However, BlueAndOrangeMorality means sometimes [[HoneyTrap nice isn't good]]. On the other hand, Winter are downright ''scary,'' and more likely to make threats and send things to eat your head over some offense. However, most of the fae who are on the hero's side are Winter, and in the most recent book, Mab's TrainingFromHell makes Harry a ''lot'' more {{Badass}} (yes, there are things out there that require Harry to be ''even more badass than usual.'' Run.) [[spoiler:and it turns out that Winter protects the human world from [[EldritchAbomination The Outsiders]].]]

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** Mab, and the Winter Court in general. Normally, with TheFairFolk, Summer (Seelie) fae are seen as the 'good guys' and Winter (Unseelie) are the 'bad guys.' However, BlueAndOrangeMorality means sometimes [[HoneyTrap nice isn't good]]. On the other hand, Winter are downright ''scary,'' and more likely to make threats and send things to eat your head over some offense. However, most of the fae who are on the hero's side are Winter, and in the most recent book, Mab's TrainingFromHell makes Harry a ''lot'' more {{Badass}} badass (yes, there are things out there that require Harry to be ''even more badass than usual.'' Run.) [[spoiler:and it turns out that Winter protects the human world from [[EldritchAbomination The Outsiders]].]]
2nd Dec '16 1:41:52 PM Stranrep
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** Vegeta after his HeelFaceTurn is this too, especially in ''Dragon Ball Super''. [[JerkassGods Beerus]] [[TheDreaded the]] [[PhysicalGod Destroyer]] seems to move slowly into this territory too.
27th Nov '16 12:00:19 PM arks
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AffablyEvil is when a villain is polite, friendly and genuinely kind, even while plotting evil. Good Is Not Nice is the inverse of that: characters who are morally slanted toward the good side but are rude, unfriendly, and mean. They can can come acrosss as being "good-hearted" bastards.

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AffablyEvil is when a villain is polite, friendly and genuinely kind, even while plotting evil. Good Is Not Nice is the inverse of that: characters who are morally slanted toward the good side but are rude, unfriendly, and mean. They can can come acrosss as being "good-hearted" bastards.\n
26th Nov '16 9:10:01 AM Morgenthaler
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** When he shows up in ''Webcomic/{{Shortpacked}}'', some of the horrible things he does end up forcing other characters to confront bad aspects of themselves, making them better people overall.

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** * When he Mike shows up in ''Webcomic/{{Shortpacked}}'', some of the horrible things he does end up forcing other characters to confront bad aspects of themselves, making them better people overall.
26th Nov '16 8:52:08 AM Morgenthaler
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** This trope is also one of the defining moments for her character. When Alucard and Seras are holed up in a hotel in Rio de Janeiro that is being swarmed by the SWAT team, which is under Millennium's control via promising immortality to the corrupt government officials in charge of the police force, there's no way for them to get out without killing innocent humans. Up until this point, Integra has scrupulously avoided this, but her hands are tied. When she receives a call from Alucard and he asks if she is willing to set him on them, she [[CrowningMomentofAwesome agrees]]. She even questions her decision after hanging up, asking Walter if she made the right choice.

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** This trope is also one of the defining moments for her character. When Alucard and Seras are holed up in a hotel in Rio de Janeiro that is being swarmed by the SWAT team, which is under Millennium's control via promising immortality to the corrupt government officials in charge of the police force, there's no way for them to get out without killing innocent humans. Up until this point, Integra has scrupulously avoided this, but her hands are tied. When she receives a call from Alucard and he asks if she is willing to set him on them, she [[CrowningMomentofAwesome agrees]].agrees. She even questions her decision after hanging up, asking Walter if she made the right choice.



* Rodney [=McKay=] of ''Series/StargateAtlantis'' is about as rude, obnoxious, and anti-social as they come, but, despite his vocal cowardliness, he's one of the first to put his life on the line for the greater good, and is capable of [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome truly awesome]] heroics whenever his internal "Chance of Impending Doom" gauge redlines.

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* Rodney [=McKay=] of ''Series/StargateAtlantis'' is about as rude, obnoxious, and anti-social as they come, but, despite his vocal cowardliness, he's one of the first to put his life on the line for the greater good, and is capable of [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome truly awesome]] awesome heroics whenever his internal "Chance of Impending Doom" gauge redlines.



* Michael Westen of ''Series/BurnNotice''. Always fights for the good guys, the underdog, those with no other place to go--and he and his cohorts have been damned ruthless while doing so, including Sam Axe [[spoiler:shooting a pistol into the ground as he listens to a rather hysterical stand-off between two Bad Guys of the Week. [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome The next sounds you hear are some fatal gunshots]]. In case you felt bad for them, [[JerkassVictim they kidnapped a kid and were going to kill him]]]].

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* Michael Westen of ''Series/BurnNotice''. Always fights for the good guys, the underdog, those with no other place to go--and he and his cohorts have been damned ruthless while doing so, including Sam Axe [[spoiler:shooting a pistol into the ground as he listens to a rather hysterical stand-off between two Bad Guys of the Week. [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome The next sounds you hear are some fatal gunshots]].gunshots. In case you felt bad for them, [[JerkassVictim they kidnapped a kid and were going to kill him]]]].



* [[MessianicArchetype Rikk]] in ''Fans'' get a rather [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome epic moment]] that screams this trope when he is [[CurbstompBattle laying the smackdown]] on Keith Feddyg. It's an interesting moment, as most of the time Rikk is easily the kindest and most level-headed character in the comic.

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* [[MessianicArchetype Rikk]] in ''Fans'' get a rather [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome epic moment]] moment that screams this trope when he is [[CurbstompBattle laying the smackdown]] on Keith Feddyg. It's an interesting moment, as most of the time Rikk is easily the kindest and most level-headed character in the comic.
26th Nov '16 8:51:30 AM Morgenthaler
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%%* Master Fei from ''HowIKilledYourMaster''

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%%* Master Fei from ''HowIKilledYourMaster''''Webcomic/HowIKilledYourMaster''



* Gilgam in ''TheWaterPhoenixKing'' is the embodiment of this. Being ReallySevenHundredYearsOld is only part of the reason; it mostly seems caused by [[WonTheWarLostThePeace post-war disillusionment]] and [[WarIsHell depression,]] though he was probably always sarcastic and irreverent (he ''was'' a lawyer, after all) and being the OnlySaneMan (in his mind, at least) doesn't help.

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* Gilgam in ''TheWaterPhoenixKing'' ''Webcomic/TheWaterPhoenixKing'' is the embodiment of this. Being ReallySevenHundredYearsOld is only part of the reason; it mostly seems caused by [[WonTheWarLostThePeace post-war disillusionment]] and [[WarIsHell depression,]] though he was probably always sarcastic and irreverent (he ''was'' a lawyer, after all) and being the OnlySaneMan (in his mind, at least) doesn't help.
26th Nov '16 7:09:58 AM Willbyr
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* Asuka Langley Soryu from ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'' can be quite arrogant and obnoxious, yet despite claiming to pilot her Eva only to become famous ("prove (herself) to the world"), she risks her life on countless occasions to defeat the angels/save humanity and is highly honorable (she willingly puts herself in harm's way in episode 11 to square her debt with Shinji).

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Asuka Langley Soryu from ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'' can be quite arrogant and obnoxious, yet despite claiming to pilot her Eva only to become famous ("prove (herself) to the world"), she risks her life on countless occasions to defeat the angels/save Angels/save humanity and is highly honorable (she willingly puts herself in harm's way in episode 11 to square her debt with Shinji).
26th Nov '16 6:11:29 AM rafi
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[-[[caption-width-right:225: Franchise/{{Batman}}, one of the most prominent examples of this trope in fiction. Also pictured: his [[ComicBook/TheJoker foil and arch-nemesis]], who is more [[FauxAffablyEvil "Nice" is not Good]]]]-]
25th Nov '16 6:20:47 AM n0321
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Except that they are [[IWorkAlone asocial]] and sometimes [[LonersAreFreaks downright abusive toward most people they meet]]. They [[FigureItOutYourself may refuse to explain]] ''anything''. They may also actively rebuke people who express [[ThinkNothingOfIt gratitude]], [[ThePowerOfFriendship friendship]], [[ThePowerOfLove love]], and/or [[DontYouDarePityMe offers of support if they are faced with problems.]]

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Except that they are [[IWorkAlone asocial]] and sometimes [[LonersAreFreaks downright abusive toward most people they meet]]. They [[FigureItOutYourself may refuse to explain]] ''anything''. They may also actively rebuke people who express [[ThinkNothingOfIt gratitude]], [[ThePowerOfFriendship friendship]], [[ThePowerOfLove love]], and/or [[DontYouDarePityMe offers of support if when they are faced with problems.]]
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