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18th Jul '17 3:28:55 PM MarcusSLazarus
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* Captain Jonathan Archer in season 3 of ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise''. The entirety of season 3 is an arc in which the crew of the Enterprise must go on a mission to stop aliens who intend to destroy the Earth. Needless to say, Captain Archer takes his responsibility pretty seriously, and goes to some lengths to ensure his mission is a success. This includes [[spoiler:torturing an alien to get information out of him by deoxygenating the room he's in, as well as creating a fully conscious clone of one of his crew who is badly injured, so that he can harvest its organs to give to the crew member.]]

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* Captain Jonathan Archer in season 3 of ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise''. The entirety of season 3 is an arc in which the crew of the Enterprise must go on a mission to stop aliens who intend to destroy the Earth. Needless to say, Captain Archer takes his responsibility pretty seriously, and goes to some lengths to ensure his mission is a success. This includes [[spoiler:torturing an alien to get information out of him by deoxygenating the room he's in, as well as stealing a vital engine component from an innocent ship to ensure that ''Enterprise'' can reach a key alien base in time to save the planet, and also creating a fully conscious clone of one of his crew who is badly injured, so that he can harvest its organs to give to the crew member.member (although in this last case he agreed to the procedure believing that the clone would survive the transplant and be allowed to die a 'natural' death afterwards, only learning that this was impossible after the clone was created).]]



** Sam and Dean, in different ways. Sam can be absolutely ''ruthless'' for the greater good and has a nasty streak of anger issues. Dean has no compunctions about [[PercussivePrevention forcibly stopping]] people before they screw things up and spent ten years "studying" under Alastair as a torturer in Hell. He's still got the skills he learned there and has put them to "good" use on occasion.

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** Sam and Dean, in different ways. Sam can be absolutely ''ruthless'' for the greater good and has a nasty streak of anger issues. Dean has no compunctions about [[PercussivePrevention forcibly stopping]] people before they screw things up and spent ten years "studying" under Alastair as a torturer in Hell. He's still got the skills he learned there and has put them to "good" use on occasion.occasion, even if he doesn't like that part of himself.
11th Jul '17 5:29:08 PM 313Bluestreak
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* AdaptationalJerkass: Characters can be this trope in another adaptation if they are still aligned on the same side.

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* AdaptationalJerkass: Characters Heroic characters can be this trope a jerk in another adaptation if they are still aligned on the same side.adaptation.



* HonestAdvisor: Good advisors are someone whose advice isn't pleasant to hear.

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* HonestAdvisor: Good advisors are someone whose advice isn't pleasant to hear.gives unpleasant advice.



* ThreateningMediator: Making peace between two characters by threatening them.



Compare NobleDemon, who will likely fall into this if not too morally ambiguous. Often a KnightInSourArmor, MrViceGuy, JerkWithAHeartOfGold, JerkassWoobie, or sometimes just a {{Jerkass}} who does good things. The term AntiHero is sometimes used to cover this trope. Sister trope to CreepyGood. [[NaiveNewcomer Naive newcomers]] may be surprised to learn they [[WartsAndAll are not the idealized hero everyone thinks they is]]. The hero's meanness will end up being a HeroWithBadPublicity.

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Compare NobleDemon, who will likely fall into this if not too morally ambiguous. Often a KnightInSourArmor, MrViceGuy, JerkWithAHeartOfGold, JerkassWoobie, or sometimes just a {{Jerkass}} who does good things. The term AntiHero is sometimes used to cover this trope. Sister trope to CreepyGood. [[NaiveNewcomer Naive newcomers]] may be surprised to learn they [[WartsAndAll are not the idealized hero everyone thinks they is]]. The hero's meanness will end up being lead him in becoming a HeroWithBadPublicity.
11th Jul '17 4:32:18 AM MagBas
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** This is one of the fandom's two main opinions of Mirri Maz Duur -- the other is GoodPowersBadPeople. Using her healer's skills and BloodMagic, Mirri is called upon to treat the dying Khal Drogo of the Dothraki, a barbarous people of nomadic raiders who stand out as nasty individuals even by the low standards of Essos and Westeros. Instead, she uses her magic to "cure him" by reducing him to an EmptyShell who is physically alive, but mentally dead, and the EquivalentExchange causes the Khal's wife, Daenerys, to miscarry their son, who was prophesied would be [[DarkMessiah "The Stallion Who Mounts The World"]], the Khal who would lead his people across the Narrow Sea to extend their reign of rapine, pillage and murder to Westeros. By these two deaths, Mirri is likely saving tens of thousands, maybe ''millions'' of lives that would fall to Dothraki raiders. The fans who think Mirri is evil for this do so mainly because... well, [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality Daenerys thinks she's evil, and Daenerys is (one of) our protagonist(s)]].
10th Jul '17 5:34:25 PM WanderingBrowser
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** This is one of the fandom's two main opinions of Mirri Maz Duur -- the other is GoodPowersBadPeople. Using her healer's skills and BloodMagic, Mirri is called upon to treat the dying Khal Drogo of the Dothraki, a barbarous people of nomadic raiders who stand out as nasty individuals even by the low standards of Essos and Westeros. Instead, she uses her magic to "cure him" by reducing him to an EmptyShell who is physically alive, but mentally dead, and the EquivalentExchange causes the Khal's wife, Daenerys, to miscarry their son, who was prophesied would be [[DarkMessiah "The Stallion Who Mounts The World"]], the Khal who would lead his people across the Narrow Sea to extend their reign of rapine, pillage and murder to Westeros. By these two deaths, Mirri is likely saving tens of thousands, maybe ''millions'' of lives that would fall to Dothraki raiders. The fans who think Mirri is evil for this do so mainly because... well, [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality Daenerys thinks she's evil, and Daenerys is (one of) our protagonist(s)]].
20th Jun '17 5:16:03 PM 313Bluestreak
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Compare NobleDemon, who will likely fall into this if not too morally ambiguous. Often a KnightInSourArmor, MrViceGuy, JerkWithAHeartOfGold, JerkassWoobie, or sometimes just a {{Jerkass}} who does good things. The term AntiHero is sometimes used to cover this trope. Sister trope to CreepyGood. [[NaiveNewcomer Naive newcomers]] may be surprised to learn they [[WartsAndAll are not the idealized hero everyone thinks they is]]. This type of characters will turn out to be [[HeroWithBadPublicity heroes with bad publicity]].

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Compare NobleDemon, who will likely fall into this if not too morally ambiguous. Often a KnightInSourArmor, MrViceGuy, JerkWithAHeartOfGold, JerkassWoobie, or sometimes just a {{Jerkass}} who does good things. The term AntiHero is sometimes used to cover this trope. Sister trope to CreepyGood. [[NaiveNewcomer Naive newcomers]] may be surprised to learn they [[WartsAndAll are not the idealized hero everyone thinks they is]]. This type of characters The hero's meanness will turn out to be [[HeroWithBadPublicity heroes with bad publicity]].
end up being a HeroWithBadPublicity.
10th Jun '17 4:55:46 PM Dravencour
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* As his journey progresses, Dr. Kenzo Tenma from ''Anime/{{Monster}}'' becomes more and more unhinged, and less and less interested in following the basic precepts of civility. Evident even in the beginning of the series, where he is not above manhandling people in rather unwarranted rage, this escalates into theft, coercion, and all-too-frequent death threats. Of course, he is up against a sociopath with no qualms about breaking every moral law in the book just to get at him, so some of it might be warranted.

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* As his journey progresses, Dr. Kenzo Tenma from ''Anime/{{Monster}}'' becomes more and more unhinged, and less and less interested in following the basic precepts of civility. Evident even in the beginning of the series, where he is not above manhandling people in rather unwarranted rage, this escalates into theft, coercion, and all-too-frequent death threats. Of course, he is up against the title character, a sadistic sociopath with no qualms about breaking every moral law in the book just to get at him, so some of it might be warranted.
10th Jun '17 4:38:28 PM Dravencour
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* Guts from ''Manga/{{Berserk}}''. In his backstory, he starts out as a JerkWithAHeartOfGold, but after the traumatizing events of the Golden Age arc, becomes a cruel, cold-hearted psychopath [[spoiler:who, nonetheless, is intent on avenging the deaths of his comrades and protect his now-insane lover from the demons who are constantly hunting both of them down]]. He does start to get somewhat better over the course of the series though.

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* Guts from ''Manga/{{Berserk}}''. In his backstory, he starts out as a JerkWithAHeartOfGold, but after the traumatizing events of the Golden Age arc, arc and the Eclipse in particular, becomes a cruel, cold-hearted psychopath [[spoiler:who, nonetheless, is intent on avenging the deaths of his comrades and protect his now-insane lover from the demons who are constantly hunting both of them down]]. He does start to get somewhat better over the course of the series though.
10th Jun '17 3:38:02 PM nombretomado
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* Quite the literal example from ''WesternAnimation/WreckItRalph'': while the arcade game characters fulfill "good guy" and "bad guy" roles while the game is being played, offscreen their actual personalities greatly vary. Many "bad guys" are nice, gentle people while various "good guys" or "innocent bystanders" are mean, condescending and/or InnocentlyInsensitive (Felix...). [[spoiler:Or in the case of Turbo, who was the main protagonist of his game, psychotic, attention-obsessed, spiteful, murderous and insane.]]

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* Quite the literal example from ''WesternAnimation/WreckItRalph'': ''Disney/WreckItRalph'': while the arcade game characters fulfill "good guy" and "bad guy" roles while the game is being played, offscreen their actual personalities greatly vary. Many "bad guys" are nice, gentle people while various "good guys" or "innocent bystanders" are mean, condescending and/or InnocentlyInsensitive (Felix...). [[spoiler:Or in the case of Turbo, who was the main protagonist of his game, psychotic, attention-obsessed, spiteful, murderous and insane.]]
10th Jun '17 3:06:51 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** Aragorn fits this trope too, especially when he appears for the first time, berating Frodo and getting him scared. [[GenreSavvy As he puts it himself]], 'I look foul and feel fair'.

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** Aragorn fits this trope too, especially when he appears for the first time, berating Frodo and getting him scared. [[GenreSavvy As he puts it himself]], himself, 'I look foul and feel fair'.
4th Jun '17 2:09:24 AM LinTaylor
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* Bakugou Katsuki from ''Manga/MyHeroAcademia''. He's one of the biggest [[JerkAss dicks]] in the series, but he's still technically a [[AntiHero hero]] - and heaven help anyone who tries to convince him otherwise.

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* Bakugou Katsuki from ''Manga/MyHeroAcademia''. He's one of the biggest [[JerkAss dicks]] in the series, but Yes, he's an arrogant JerkAss with a superiority complex, but he still technically wants to be a [[AntiHero hero]] - hero. [[spoiler:When a group of villains mistakes his anger for rebellin and heaven help anyone who tries to convince him otherwise.to [[FaceHeelTurn join their side]], he tells them in no uncertain terms to fuck off.]]
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