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The converse of this trope is AffablyEvil, which could be renamed "Evil Is Not Mean."

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The converse of this trope is See also AffablyEvil, which a trope that could be renamed called "Evil Is Not Mean."
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Contrast AffablyEvil and GoodIsNotDumb. If a character acts like this exclusively towards their enemies, you've got a case of GoodIsNotSoft.


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Contrast GoodIsNotDumb. If a character acts like this exclusively towards their enemies, you've got a case of GoodIsNotSoft.

The converse of this trope is AffablyEvil, which could be renamed "Evil Is Not Mean."
7th Mar '17 3:53:07 AM annette12
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* Chief Bogo in ''Disney/{{Zootopia}} is [[BrutalHonest blunt about his (often negative) opinions]], [[HatesSmallTalk has disdain for niceties]], is easily annoyed, appears somewhat prejudiced against small animals at first, and is a stubborn stickler for procedure. Yet, he's one of the most consistently honest characters in the movie, willing to accept he was wrong after being shown proof, and [[spoiler: the TokenGoodTeammate among the city's major authority figures]].

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* Chief Bogo in ''Disney/{{Zootopia}} is [[BrutalHonest [[BrutalHonesty blunt about his (often negative) opinions]], [[HatesSmallTalk has disdain for niceties]], is easily annoyed, appears somewhat prejudiced against small animals at first, and is a stubborn stickler for procedure. Yet, he's one of the most consistently honest characters in the movie, willing to accept he was wrong after being shown proof, and [[spoiler: the TokenGoodTeammate among the city's major authority figures]].
4th Mar '17 3:30:17 PM Xtifr
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* Discussed by British statesman Lord Chesterfield in ''Literature/LettersToHisSon'' #98, contrasting Cato the younger (who had this reputation) with AffablyEvil Creator/GaiusJuliusCaesar.

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* Discussed by British statesman Lord Chesterfield in ''Literature/LettersToHisSon'' #98, contrasting Cato the younger (who had this reputation) with AffablyEvil Creator/GaiusJuliusCaesar.UsefulNotes/JuliusCaesar.
3rd Mar '17 2:37:38 PM PPPSSC
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* Chief Bogo in ''Disney/{{Zootopia}} is [[BrutalHonest blunt about his (often negative) opinions]], [[HatesSmallTalk has disdain for niceties]], is easily annoyed, appears somewhat prejudiced against small animals at first, and is a stubborn stickler for procedure. Yet, he's one of the most consistently honest characters in the movie, willing to accept he was wrong after being shown proof, and [[spoiler: the TokenGoodTeammate among the city's major authority figures]].
28th Feb '17 11:24:19 PM starkitty93
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28th Feb '17 11:24:08 PM starkitty93
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They [[ThouShaltNotKill never kill anyone if they can help it]], nor would they allow people to come to any sort of harm by ignoring them. They always willing to go out of their ways [[IncorruptiblePurePureness to save the town and complete strangers]]. When the call comes, [[ResignedToTheCall they will answer it, usually with little protest.]] They often help people in need with little promise of reward. In almost every way, they act like [[IdealHero ideal heroes]].

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They [[ThouShaltNotKill never kill anyone if they can help it]], nor would they allow people to come to any sort of harm by ignoring them. They are always willing to go out of their ways [[IncorruptiblePurePureness to save the town and complete strangers]]. When the call comes, [[ResignedToTheCall they will answer it, usually with little protest.]] They often help people in need with little promise of reward. In almost every way, they act like [[IdealHero ideal heroes]].
6th Feb '17 7:49:31 PM merotoker
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** Doctor Strange is, subtly, the king of this trope, being the Sorcerer Supreme and thus the magical BigGood for Earth, taking in Wanda as a child, helping her control her powers and saving her from the White Council, playing a key role in defeating Grindelwald (softening the 'god-like' Dark Lord up for Dumbledore) and is generally fairly affable and polite, always having a [[GrinOfAudacity smile]] on his face. He is also an arch ManipulativeBastard and MagnificentBastard with a reputation as an infallible {{Seer}}, using ''everyone'' as puppets and ruthlessly exploiting the ButterflyEffect. Directly, this means he specifically ordered Wanda (Harry's godmother) not to take him in on the grounds that it would be too dangerous [[spoiler: since Wanda gave up her own daughter for exactly the same reason, he was probably right]]. It gets to the point where Lucius Malfoy, generally a couple of steps ahead of almost everyone else, starts fearing in chapter 72, when he's pretty much at the zenith of his power, that everything so far is part of Strange's plan, including things as minor as arranging for Nick Fury to be posted as liaison to the Order of the Phoenix years before Harry was born in order to bring about the rise of Director Fury and thereby Director Wisdom. All the evidence suggests that he might well be right and that Strange is working towards TheGreaterGood [[spoiler: which is implied to be readying Earth to take on Thanos.]] Indirectly, this means that he knew all about [[spoiler: Pettigrew's betrayal of the Potters, Sinister's involvement in Harry's being kept at Privet Drive and HYDRA's attack on Hogwarts which killed Luna Lovegood, to name but a few]], as well as pretty much every other bad thing that has happened [[spoiler: even probably Krypton exploding]], [[WellIntentionedExtremist and he did nothing because he deemed it necessary to shape the scenario and the heroes to his satisfaction.]] Anyway you slice it, that's cold.

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** Doctor Strange is, subtly, the king of this trope, being the Sorcerer Supreme and thus the magical BigGood for Earth, taking in Wanda as a child, helping her control her powers and saving her from the White Council, playing a key role in defeating Grindelwald (softening the 'god-like' Dark Lord up for Dumbledore) and is generally fairly affable and polite, always having a [[GrinOfAudacity smile]] on his face. He is also an arch ManipulativeBastard and MagnificentBastard with a reputation as an infallible {{Seer}}, {{Seer|s}}, using ''everyone'' as puppets and ruthlessly exploiting the ButterflyEffect. Directly, this means he specifically ordered Wanda (Harry's godmother) not to take him in on the grounds that it would be too dangerous [[spoiler: since Wanda gave up her own daughter for exactly the same reason, he was probably right]]. It gets to the point where Lucius Malfoy, generally a couple of steps ahead of almost everyone else, starts fearing in chapter 72, when he's pretty much at the zenith of his power, that everything so far is part of Strange's plan, including things as minor as arranging for Nick Fury to be posted as liaison to the Order of the Phoenix years before Harry was born in order to bring about the rise of Director Fury and thereby Director Wisdom. All the evidence suggests that he might well be right and that Strange is working towards TheGreaterGood [[spoiler: which is implied to be readying Earth to take on Thanos.]] Indirectly, this means that he knew all about [[spoiler: Pettigrew's betrayal of the Potters, Sinister's involvement in Harry's being kept at Privet Drive and HYDRA's attack on Hogwarts which killed Luna Lovegood, to name but a few]], as well as pretty much every other bad thing that has happened [[spoiler: even probably Krypton exploding]], [[WellIntentionedExtremist and he did nothing because he deemed it necessary to shape the scenario and the heroes to his satisfaction.]] Anyway you slice it, that's cold.



** The Tenth Doctor also fits the bill. Although he was often cheerful, gregarious and friendly, he was equally often arrogant, dismissive and downright [[BewareTheNiceOnes ruthless]]. It wasn't as obvious in his first season, but [[spoiler:after the loss of Rose]], this trait kept popping up more and more frequently. He showed signs of mellowing out a bit by the time Donna came around, but after [[spoiler:having to wipe Donna's memory of their time together]], he starts skirting into MoralEventHorizon territory, particularly [[spoiler:in "The Waters of Mars"]]. The Family of Blood have a few things to say about this Doctor too. When he tried to run and hide from them, they thought he was a coward to be hunted down. Turns out, he was being ''kind''. [[spoiler:What he does to them when he finally decides to fight back is pure AndIMustScream]].

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** The Tenth Doctor also fits the bill. Although he was often cheerful, gregarious and friendly, he was equally often arrogant, dismissive and downright [[BewareTheNiceOnes ruthless]]. It wasn't as obvious in his first season, but [[spoiler:after the loss of Rose]], this trait kept popping up more and more frequently. He showed signs of mellowing out a bit by the time Donna came around, but after [[spoiler:having to wipe Donna's memory of their time together]], he starts skirting into MoralEventHorizon territory, particularly [[spoiler:in "The Waters of Mars"]]. The Family of Blood have a few things to say about this Doctor too. When he tried to run and hide from them, they thought he was a coward to be hunted down. Turns out, he was being ''kind''. [[spoiler:What he does to them when he finally decides to fight back is pure AndIMustScream]].AndIMustScream.]]



** In one story we see a Black Templar attack from the perspective of a simple human farmer when the battles over his farm is destroyed and he prays that they will never come back because they scared him more than the Orks they had fought. He even pitied the Orks for being in such a CurbStompBattle

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** In one story we see a Black Templar attack from the perspective of a simple human farmer when the battles over his farm is destroyed and he prays that they will never come back because they scared him more than the Orks they had fought. He even pitied the Orks for being in such a CurbStompBattleCurbStompBattle.



* Yuan from ''VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia'' is snarky, [[FigureItOutYourself impatient when the heroes need things explained]], [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder apparently changes sides without warning]]... and is doing everything in his power to save the world from the BigBad. [[WellIntentionedExtremist No matter who's in his way.]] In fact, it's a little iffy to label him "Good", except that [[spoiler:he ends up (somewhat reluctantly) on the party's side, when it becomes clear that they actually might succeed... and that they're the only ones in the world with a chance.]]

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* Yuan from ''VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia'' is snarky, [[FigureItOutYourself impatient when the heroes need things explained]], [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder apparently changes sides without warning]]... and is doing everything in his power to save the world from the BigBad. [[WellIntentionedExtremist No matter who's in his way.]] In fact, it's a little iffy to label him "Good", except that [[spoiler:he ends up (somewhat reluctantly) on the party's side, when it becomes clear that they actually might succeed... and that they're the only ones in the world with a chance.]]chance]].



* ''VideoGame/{{Touhou}}'' has its protagonist Reimu Hakurei, who is generally portrayed in official works as lazy, standoffish, greedy, and comically inept at her job as a shrine maiden. However, she's much better at her ''other'' job -- preserving Gensokyo's peace by protecting the Great Boundary and resolving any Incidents[[note]]large-scale chaos or upheavals that threaten the land[[/note]]. Even then, she has a tendency to beat the ever-loving crap out of anyone who gets in her way (including those who didn't have anything to do with what's happening) and has no tolerance for any Incidents, [[GreyAndWhiteMorality regardless of cause or motive]].

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* ''VideoGame/{{Touhou}}'' has its protagonist Reimu Hakurei, who is generally portrayed in official works as lazy, standoffish, greedy, and comically inept at her job as a shrine maiden. However, she's much better at her ''other'' job -- preserving Gensokyo's peace by protecting the Great Boundary and resolving any Incidents[[note]]large-scale chaos or upheavals that threaten the land[[/note]]. Even then, she has a tendency to beat the ever-loving crap out of anyone who gets in her way (including those who didn't have anything to do with what's happening) and has no tolerance for any Incidents, [[GreyAndWhiteMorality [[WhiteAndGreyMorality regardless of cause or motive]].



* Malo of ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTwilightPrincess'' claims that even though he can't be a hero, he seeks to end the corruption and inflation in Hyrule Castle Town by bringing [[IncrediblyLamePun heroic business deals]], but often acts blunt towards any unfortunate soul who crosses his path, insulting Link if he doesn't buy anything from his shop.

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* Malo of ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTwilightPrincess'' claims that even though he can't be a hero, he seeks to end the corruption and inflation in Hyrule Castle Town by bringing [[IncrediblyLamePun [[{{Pun}} heroic business deals]], but often acts blunt towards any unfortunate soul who crosses his path, insulting Link if he doesn't buy anything from his shop.



* Jun Kazama from ''VideoGame/{{Tekken}}'' is generally portrayed as pure, however the second Tag game and the animated movie shows she's NotGoodWithPeople. Case in point, Tag 2 allows a trick to select win poses, one being a positive one, a high five, a fist bump, etc. Even with someone who Jun should like she's pretty aloof. It also helps that she's [[OneWingedAngel Unknown,]], who does something most find rather uncomfortable should you lose to her.

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* Jun Kazama from ''VideoGame/{{Tekken}}'' is generally portrayed as pure, however the second Tag game and the animated movie shows she's NotGoodWithPeople. Case in point, Tag 2 allows a trick to select win poses, one being a positive one, a high five, a fist bump, etc. Even with someone who Jun should like she's pretty aloof. It also helps that she's [[OneWingedAngel Unknown,]], Unknown]], who does something most find rather uncomfortable should you lose to her.



* ''VideoGame/{{Fable 2}}'' invokes this by having a Pure/Corrupt alignment scale in addition to the regular Good/Evil scale for player characters. Your character can become corrupt by doing morally reprehensible, but not per se "evil" actions (like drinking too much, having multiple spouses or charging too much rent), while remaining fundamentally good. The title for being both Good and Corrupt at once is "The Decadent". Conversely, a character can also be Pure Evil and obtain the title "The Fanatic" (Pure Evil is not what it sounds like, that would be the Corrupt Evil alignment, which awards the title "The Ghoul").

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* ''VideoGame/{{Fable 2}}'' ''VideoGame/FableII'' invokes this by having a Pure/Corrupt alignment scale in addition to the regular Good/Evil scale for player characters. Your character can become corrupt by doing morally reprehensible, but not per se "evil" actions (like drinking too much, having multiple spouses or charging too much rent), while remaining fundamentally good. The title for being both Good and Corrupt at once is "The Decadent". Conversely, a character can also be Pure Evil and obtain the title "The Fanatic" (Pure Evil is not what it sounds like, that would be the Corrupt Evil alignment, which awards the title "The Ghoul").
6th Feb '17 5:45:05 PM merotoker
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** And then there's Near, who is even more RaisedByWolves and much less subtle in regards to snarking. [[spoiler:There's endless debate over whether or not he used the Death Note to control Mikami's actions, so as to convict Light. WordOfGod also states that he "cheats"]].
** Soichiro, Light's father. WordOfGod states that he is the only truly good character in the series...notwithstanding [[spoiler: holding two people (the first a civilian, the second ''his own son'') at gunpoint, actually firing - even when it's loaded with blanks - at ''point blank range'' during the latter occasion, and later still making the trade for Shinigami Eyes and attempting to write Mello's name in the notebook, only failing to write it in full because Mello asks him if he's ever killed a person before, leading to a moment of hesitation which proves his undoing.]]

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** And then there's Near, who is even more RaisedByWolves and much less subtle in regards to snarking. [[spoiler:There's endless debate over whether or not he used the Death Note to control Mikami's actions, so as to convict Light. WordOfGod also states that he "cheats"]].
"cheats".]]
** Soichiro, Light's father. WordOfGod states that he is the only truly good character in the series...notwithstanding [[spoiler: holding two people (the first a civilian, the second ''his own son'') at gunpoint, actually firing - even when it's loaded with blanks - at ''point blank range'' during the latter occasion, and later still making the trade for Shinigami Eyes and attempting to write Mello's name in the notebook, only failing to write it in full because Mello asks him if he's ever killed a person before, leading to a moment of hesitation which proves his undoing.]]undoing]].



* The entirety of Team Urameshi in ''Manga/YuYuHakusho''. Hiei is just plain evil ForTheEvulz (at least at first). Yusuke is [[JerkAss an ass]] towards everyone he knows, but [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold he genuinely cares about all of them,]] and [[ThePowerOfFriendship his power spikes exponentially whenever they're in danger]]. Kurama is outwardly pleasant, but he's also a DeadpanSnarker of the highest order, incredibly fond of the StealthInsult towards his less intelligent teammates, and (even by ''[[JerkAss Hiei's]]'' admission), the most ruthless fighter on the team, a trait he demonstrates when he mercilessly executes most of his enemies even after they're defeated. By contrast, Kuwabara's a borderline NiceGuy, a BoisterousBruiser [[BruiserWithASoftCenter with a soft centre.]]

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* The entirety of Team Urameshi in ''Manga/YuYuHakusho''. Hiei [[TokenEvilTeammate Hiei]] is just plain evil ForTheEvulz (at least at first). Yusuke is [[JerkAss an ass]] towards everyone he knows, but [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold he genuinely cares about all of them,]] and [[ThePowerOfFriendship his power spikes exponentially whenever they're in danger]]. Kurama is outwardly pleasant, but he's also a DeadpanSnarker of the highest order, incredibly fond of the StealthInsult towards his less intelligent teammates, and (even by ''[[JerkAss Hiei's]]'' admission), the most ruthless fighter on the team, a trait he demonstrates when he mercilessly executes most of his enemies even after they're defeated. By contrast, Kuwabara's a borderline NiceGuy, a BoisterousBruiser [[BruiserWithASoftCenter with a soft centre.]]



* ''Manga/RosarioToVampire'': Inner Moka generally fights to protect [[LoveInterests Tsukune]], but is often annoyed when she's called forth to deal with such problems as the other members of Tsukune's UnwantedHarem fighting over him in the human world and nearly breaking TheMasquerade in the process. What really sealed her as this trope is her defeat of Kurumu early on in the manga: to make sure she never tried to attack them again, Inner Moka fully intended to rip off Kurumu's wings and tail, and would have done so if Tsukune didn't talk her out of it.

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* ''Manga/RosarioToVampire'': Inner Moka generally fights to protect [[LoveInterests Tsukune]], but is often annoyed when she's called forth to deal with such problems as the other members of Tsukune's UnwantedHarem fighting over him in the human world and nearly breaking TheMasquerade the {{Masquerade}} in the process. What really sealed her as this trope is her defeat of Kurumu early on in the manga: to make sure she never tried to attack them again, Inner Moka fully intended to rip off Kurumu's wings and tail, and would have done so if Tsukune didn't talk her out of it.



* This is the entire premise of ''LightNovel/MyTeenRomanticComedySNAFU''. Hikigaya may be a social outcast with a penchant for social suicide and the odd BreakingSpeech but he is ultimately a decent and benevolent person.

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* This is the entire premise of ''LightNovel/MyTeenRomanticComedySNAFU''. Hikigaya may be a social outcast with a penchant for social suicide and the odd BreakingSpeech [[BreakThemByTalking Breaking Speech]] but he is ultimately a decent and benevolent person.



** Ryuko Matoi is an introverted and aloof drifter who's built up a fearsome reputation as a JapaneseDelinquent. While she does have a [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold softer]] [[SugarAndIcePersonality side]], she only reserves it for those important to her. [[UnscrupulousHero Everyone else]] [[NominalHero is secondary]], and [[RevengeBeforeReason revenge is her motivation]]. She eventually grows out of this mentality, and [[spoiler:even tries to ask forgiveness from the BigBad and TheDragon]].

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** Ryuko Matoi is an introverted and aloof drifter who's built up a fearsome reputation as a JapaneseDelinquent.{{Japanese Delinquent|s}}. While she does have a [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold softer]] [[SugarAndIcePersonality side]], she only reserves it for those important to her. [[UnscrupulousHero Everyone else]] [[NominalHero is secondary]], and [[RevengeBeforeReason revenge is her motivation]]. She eventually grows out of this mentality, and [[spoiler:even tries to ask forgiveness from the BigBad and TheDragon]].



* Franchise/GreenLantern (off and on) Guy Gardner is a pretty good example of this trope. He's rude, crude, slightly sexist, and can be downright mean to certain heroes, but when the chips are down, you can count on Guy Gardner to fight with his all.

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* Franchise/GreenLantern (off and on) Franchise/GreenLantern
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Guy Gardner is a pretty good example of this trope. He's rude, crude, slightly sexist, and can be downright mean to certain heroes, but when the chips are down, you can count on Guy Gardner to fight with his all.



** The Wreckers by and large consist of violent diehards, mental jobs, or trouble cases with an appallingly high body count ''and'' casualty count, but they go after the most dangerous of foes that no normal Autobot team could hope to match. In particular, [[spoiler: Wreckers leader Impactor [[ObligatoryWarCrimeScene coldly executes]] the entirety of [[CListFodder Squadron X]] after their capture on a neutral world on the basis that the threat posed by a crack team of ten Decepticons outweighed the political technicalities that required the Wreckers to release their foes.]]

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** The Wreckers by and large consist of violent diehards, mental jobs, or trouble cases with an appallingly high body count ''and'' casualty count, but they go after the most dangerous of foes that no normal Autobot team could hope to match. In particular, [[spoiler: Wreckers leader Impactor [[ObligatoryWarCrimeScene coldly executes]] the entirety of [[CListFodder Squadron X]] after their capture on a neutral world on the basis that the threat posed by a crack team of ten Decepticons outweighed the political technicalities that required the Wreckers to release their foes.]]foes]].



* {{Deconstructed}} (along with everything else) in ''ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}''.

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* {{Deconstructed}} {{Deconstructed|Trope}} (along with everything else) in ''ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}''.



* During the events of ''Comicbook/{{Axis}}'', Sabretooth underwent a HeelFaceTurn due to a spell-gone-wrong cast by Comicbook/ScarletWitch, and at the end of the event he remained "inverted." This turned the gleefully bloodthirsty and psychopathic BloodKnight Creed into someone genuinely ashamed of and trying to [[TheAtoner atone]] for his violent past. However, even though Creed is now a hero, he's still a ''colossal'' dick.

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* During the events of ''Comicbook/{{Axis}}'', Sabretooth ComicBook/{{Sabretooth}} underwent a HeelFaceTurn due to a spell-gone-wrong cast by Comicbook/ScarletWitch, and at the end of the event he remained "inverted." This turned the gleefully bloodthirsty and psychopathic BloodKnight Creed into someone genuinely ashamed of and trying to [[TheAtoner atone]] for his violent past. However, even though Creed is now a hero, he's still a ''colossal'' dick.



* [[{{Cyborg}} Major]] [[ArtificialLimbs Firebird]] [[SuperSoldier de Coverley]] of ''Fanfic/TheConversionBureauConquerTheStars'' zigzags through this trope. One one hand, she's quite nice most of the time. On the other hand, its implied that [[BloodKnight she loves her job a bit too much]], and a longtime friend of hers is terrified when she sees her in action.

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* [[{{Cyborg}} Major]] [[ArtificialLimbs Firebird]] [[SuperSoldier de Coverley]] of ''Fanfic/TheConversionBureauConquerTheStars'' zigzags through this trope. One On one hand, she's quite nice most of the time. On the other hand, its implied that [[BloodKnight she loves her job a bit too much]], and a longtime friend of hers is terrified when she sees her in action.



* In ''FanFic/{{Fractured}}'', a ''MassEffect''[=/=]''StarWars''[=/=]''VideoGame/{{Borderlands}}'' [[MassiveMultiplayerCrossover crossover]] and its sequel ''[[FanFic/SovereignGFCOrigins Origins]]'', any "good" person who isn't GoodIsNotSoft tends to end up here.

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* In ''FanFic/{{Fractured}}'', a ''MassEffect''[=/=]''StarWars''[=/=]''VideoGame/{{Borderlands}}'' ''Franchise/MassEffect''[=/=]''Franchise/StarWars''[=/=]''VideoGame/{{Borderlands}}'' [[MassiveMultiplayerCrossover crossover]] and its sequel ''[[FanFic/SovereignGFCOrigins Origins]]'', any "good" person who isn't GoodIsNotSoft tends to end up here.



* Latios from ''Fanfic/ANewChanceSeries'' is extremely loyal to Ash and ready to fight against evil. He is also cold and withdrawn, especially around other humans, his need to [[BigBrotherInstinct protect his younger sister]] Latias can grate on her, and in battle he can be ''vicious'' toward the antagonists, to the point of scaring Ash. Highlights include putting a bunch of poachers in a permanent coma, nearly killing a defeated band of Team Magma agents and [[spoiler: and crushing to death the poacher Rico for selling Larvitar's mother.]]

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* Latios from ''Fanfic/ANewChanceSeries'' is extremely loyal to Ash and ready to fight against evil. He is also cold and withdrawn, especially around other humans, his need to [[BigBrotherInstinct protect his younger sister]] Latias can grate on her, and in battle he can be ''vicious'' toward the antagonists, to the point of scaring Ash. Highlights include putting a bunch of poachers in a permanent coma, nearly killing a defeated band of Team Magma agents and [[spoiler: and crushing to death the poacher Rico for selling Larvitar's mother.]] mother]].



* Kerchak from ''Disney/{{Tarzan}}'' also counts.

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* While Thorin in ''Film/TheHobbit'' is unmistakably one of the protagonists, he can often be incredibly stubborn, proud, harsh, and quick to criticize, as well as discriminating against all things elvish.
** Well, he is ''the'' stereotypical [[OurDwarvesAreAllTheSame Dwarf]].

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* While Thorin in ''Film/TheHobbit'' is unmistakably one of the protagonists, he can often be incredibly stubborn, proud, harsh, and quick to criticize, as well as discriminating against all things elvish. \n** Well, he is ''the'' stereotypical [[OurDwarvesAreAllTheSame Dwarf]].



* Spider from ''Film/{{Elysium}}''.

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** In the books, James and Sirius's arrogant attitude to people they dismiss is used to {{Deconstruct}} this trope, showing what is likely to happen if a person, who is otherwise good, displays MoralMyopia or MoralDissonance to a few others. Their condescending treatment of their friend [[spoiler: Peter Pettigrew, admittedly a DirtyCoward]], led the latter to never feel like a true friend but a toady, making him seek out, what Sirius admits, "the biggest bullies of the playground", making him a perfect traitor to Voldemort. Hermione herself points out that House Elfs show loyalty BecauseYouWereNiceToMe, which means that Sirius' treatment of Kreacher, despite not being prejudiced against house-elves and being sympathetic himself, [[spoiler: led to his death]].

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** In the books, James and Sirius's arrogant attitude to people they dismiss is used to {{Deconstruct}} {{deconstruct|ion}} this trope, showing what is likely to happen if a person, who is otherwise good, displays MoralMyopia or MoralDissonance to a few others. Their condescending treatment of their friend [[spoiler: Peter Pettigrew, admittedly a DirtyCoward]], led the latter to never feel like a true friend but a toady, making him seek out, what Sirius admits, "the biggest bullies of the playground", making him a perfect traitor to Voldemort. Hermione herself points out that House Elfs show loyalty BecauseYouWereNiceToMe, which means that Sirius' treatment of Kreacher, despite not being prejudiced against house-elves and being sympathetic himself, [[spoiler: led to his death]].



* Max Pesaro from ''Literature/TheGardellaVampireChronicles.''

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** It's worth noting that Aslan is actually supposed to be {{Jesus}}. Lewis was a strict Christian, but was quite exasperated by people trying to turn God into a [[JesusWasWayCool "nice Guy"]] rather than a "good Guy."

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** It's worth noting that Aslan is actually supposed to be {{Jesus}}.UsefulNotes/{{Jesus}}. Lewis was a strict Christian, but was quite exasperated by people trying to turn God into a [[JesusWasWayCool "nice Guy"]] rather than a "good Guy."



* Mr. Darcy from ''Literature/PrideAndPrejudice'' and Sir Thomas Bertram from ''Literature/MansfieldPark'' by Creator/JaneAusten -- Both are principled and responsible, but also stiff and distant.
** Darcy goes beyond "stiff" to "plain rude" once: when first seeing Elizabeth, Darcy says ''within her hearing'', "She is tolerable; but not handsome enough to tempt ''me''; and I am in no humour at present to give consequence to young ladies who are slighted by other men." Ouch.

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* Mr. Darcy from ''Literature/PrideAndPrejudice'' and Sir Thomas Bertram from ''Literature/MansfieldPark'' by Creator/JaneAusten -- Both are principled and responsible, but also stiff and distant.
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distant. Darcy goes beyond "stiff" to "plain rude" once: when first seeing Elizabeth, Darcy says ''within her hearing'', "She is tolerable; but not handsome enough to tempt ''me''; and I am in no humour at present to give consequence to young ladies who are slighted by other men." Ouch.



** Ebenezar [=McCoy=], who once [[spoiler:[[ColonyDrop pulled a decommissioned Soviet satellite out of orbit]] to punish a vampire duke who tried to cheat in a duel against Harry.]]
** And in Changes, [[spoiler: during the attack on Chichen Itza, Ebenezar kills two hundred enemy gunmen with a few gestures of his staff.]] He ''is'' [[spoiler:the Blackstaff, who has an unique license to kill and use BlackMagic in defense of the Council]], after all.

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** Ebenezar [=McCoy=], who once [[spoiler:[[ColonyDrop pulled a decommissioned Soviet satellite out of orbit]] to punish a vampire duke who tried to cheat in a duel against Harry.]]
Harry]].
** And in Changes, [[spoiler: during the attack on Chichen Itza, Ebenezar kills two hundred enemy gunmen with a few gestures of his staff.]] staff]]. He ''is'' [[spoiler:the Blackstaff, who has an unique license to kill and use BlackMagic in defense of the Council]], after all.



* In the ''Literature/LeftBehind'' series, {{God}} goes all out with His judgments during the Tribulation in order to bring as many people to salvation as possible before sending {{Jesus}} to finish off the hardened moral rebels which comprise the bulk of the Global Community army sided with the Antichrist as well as [[NeutralityBacklash those who didn't accept Him as savior.]] However, this is not to say that God enjoyed doing this.

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* In the ''Literature/LeftBehind'' series, {{God}} goes all out with His judgments during the Tribulation in order to bring as many people to salvation as possible before sending {{Jesus}} UsefulNotes/{{Jesus}} to finish off the hardened moral rebels which comprise the bulk of the Global Community army sided with the Antichrist as well as [[NeutralityBacklash those who didn't accept Him as savior.]] However, this is not to say that God enjoyed doing this.



* Zanna Martindale from [[Literature/{{Dragons}} The Last Dragon Chronicles]].

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* %%* Zanna Martindale from [[Literature/{{Dragons}} The Last Dragon Chronicles]].



* ''Series/{{Becker}}''.
* Temperance Brennan in ''Series/{{Bones}}'' is brilliant but arrogant and insensitive. She has dedicated her her to catching murderers, and spends her days dissecting and analyzing corpses. She has developed a matter of fact attitude towards death and decay, and often forgets that not everyone shares her calm, professional view. As a result, she thinks nothing of thoughtlessly spewing the graphic details of a murder to grieving loved ones, or showing gory images to a class of young children.

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* %%* ''Series/{{Becker}}''.
* Temperance Brennan in ''Series/{{Bones}}'' is brilliant but arrogant and insensitive. She has dedicated her her herself to catching murderers, and spends her days dissecting and analyzing corpses. She has developed a matter of fact attitude towards death and decay, and often forgets that not everyone shares her calm, professional view. As a result, she thinks nothing of thoughtlessly spewing the graphic details of a murder to grieving loved ones, or showing gory images to a class of young children.



** Also, Giles. Despite how he acted in the first few seasons, he's often one of the most sarcastic and foul-mouthed people on the show (never picked up on by most due to him using mostly [[DidNotDoTheBloodyResearch British swears]]). Plus, he'll kill humans if he must, an opinion only shared by him until Season 8, as seen when he [[spoiler: smothers Ben, the human host the of the [[PhysicalGod Hellgoddess]] to death with a handkerchief in order to permanently destroy her.]]

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** Also, Giles. Despite how he acted in the first few seasons, he's often one of the most sarcastic and foul-mouthed people on the show (never picked up on by most due to him using mostly [[DidNotDoTheBloodyResearch British swears]]). Plus, he'll kill humans if he must, an opinion only shared by him until Season 8, as seen when he [[spoiler: smothers Ben, the human host the of the [[PhysicalGod Hellgoddess]] to death with a handkerchief in order to permanently destroy her.]]her]].



* Wrestling/{{Sting}} could be considered this, since he is a face, but kind of a jerk.

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* Wrestling/{{Sting}} could be considered this, since he is a face, but kind of a jerk.



* Wrestling/RandyOrton. His past times include performing his finisher on women, punting a lot of people in the head hard enough to hospitalize them, and trying to [[AxCrazy kill]] Wrestling/JohnCena with pyrotechnics during a match. These days, his attitude hasn't changed much, but he's just decided to use his violent tactics on Heels.
** Hell, in 2011 he punted all of the [[Wrestling/TheNexus New Nexus]], Wrestling/ChrisJericho, RKO-ed [[Wrestling/RonKillings R-Truth]] into a table twice, kicked Wrestling/{{Christian}} [[GroinAttack in the nuts]] because he spat in his face, and has a street fight with him on the next episode of Wrestling/WWESmackDown. Let's remember that a street fight is a no holds barred match that can take place anywhere in the arena, and Randy Orton has actually tried to ''use fireworks to kill an opponent''. And he REALLY doesn't like Christian.

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* Wrestling/RandyOrton. His past times include performing his finisher on women, punting a lot of people in the head hard enough to hospitalize them, and trying to [[AxCrazy kill]] Wrestling/JohnCena with pyrotechnics during a match. These days, his attitude hasn't changed much, but he's just decided to use his violent tactics on Heels.
**
Heels. Hell, in 2011 he punted all of the [[Wrestling/TheNexus New Nexus]], Wrestling/ChrisJericho, RKO-ed [[Wrestling/RonKillings R-Truth]] into a table twice, kicked Wrestling/{{Christian}} [[GroinAttack in the nuts]] because he spat in his face, and has a street fight with him on the next episode of Wrestling/WWESmackDown. Let's remember that a street fight is a no holds barred match that can take place anywhere in the arena, and Randy Orton has actually tried to ''use fireworks to kill an opponent''. And he REALLY doesn't like Christian.



* On NXT, Asuka is a shining example of this trope. A ruthless and dangerous competitor in the ring, about the only nice thing about her is that she fights by the rules and only dishes out punishment during matches. She merely wants to win and, once she has, she calms down.

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* On NXT, Asuka [[Wrestling/KanakoUrai Asuka]] is a shining example of this trope. A ruthless and dangerous competitor in the ring, about the only nice thing about her is that she fights by the rules and only dishes out punishment during matches. She merely wants to win and, once she has, she calms down.



** ''Complete Scoundrel'' introduces a Paladin PrestigeClass called Gray Guard that ''is'' this trope. The illustration even shows a Gray Guard strangling a necromancer. A Gray Guard is a paladin who [[CombatPragmatist fights dirty]], and can turn his [[HealingHands lay on hands]] ability into a variant on the JackBauerInterrogationTechnique. Imagine Bryan Mills from Film/{{Taken}} with a sword and a [[KnightInSourArmor not-so-shiny armor]].

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** ''Complete Scoundrel'' introduces a Paladin PrestigeClass called Gray Guard that ''is'' this trope. The illustration even shows a Gray Guard strangling a necromancer. A Gray Guard is a paladin who [[CombatPragmatist fights dirty]], and can turn his [[HealingHands lay on hands]] ability into a variant on the JackBauerInterrogationTechnique. Imagine Bryan Mills from Film/{{Taken}} ''Film/{{Taken}}'' with a sword and a [[KnightInSourArmor not-so-shiny armor]].



* Baird in ''GearsOfWar'' is a complete JerkAss but he's still a loyal member of Delta Squad.

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* Baird in ''GearsOfWar'' ''VideoGame/GearsOfWar'' is a complete JerkAss but he's still a loyal member of Delta Squad.



* Some of your allies in the ''{{Suikoden}}'' series can come off as complete jerks who you nonetheless respect [[BunnyEarsLawyer because they're good at what they do]]. [[SuikodenII Shu]] and [[SuikodenV Zerase]] immediately spring to mind.

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* Some of your allies in the ''{{Suikoden}}'' ''VideoGame/{{Suikoden}}'' series can come off as complete jerks who you nonetheless respect [[BunnyEarsLawyer because they're good at what they do]]. [[SuikodenII [[VideoGame/SuikodenII Shu]] and [[SuikodenV Zerase]] immediately spring to mind.



** If he [[spoiler:survives Virmire]], Wrex becomes leader of the largest and most powerful Krogan clan in VideoGame/MassEffect2. He does everything in his power to make the Krogan people a legitimate part of the galactic community, but in a society where {{Klingon Promotion}}s are the norm and {{Blood Knight}}s are plentiful, he has to be [[AsskickingEqualsAuthority pretty damn tough]] to keep his job.
* In ''VideoGame/DantesInferno'' the eponymous character has the choice to either "[[AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence Absolve]]" or "[[VideoGameCrueltyPotential Punish]]" the LegionsOfHell he battles as a FinishingMove. The bright and shining Absolve-based finishers aren't all that much less brutal than their scythe-based Punish counterparts.

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** If he [[spoiler:survives Virmire]], Wrex becomes leader of the largest and most powerful Krogan clan in VideoGame/MassEffect2.''VideoGame/MassEffect2''. He does everything in his power to make the Krogan people a legitimate part of the galactic community, but in a society where {{Klingon Promotion}}s are the norm and {{Blood Knight}}s are plentiful, he has to be [[AsskickingEqualsAuthority pretty damn tough]] to keep his job.
* In ''VideoGame/DantesInferno'' the eponymous character has the choice to either "[[AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence Absolve]]" or "[[VideoGameCrueltyPotential Punish]]" the LegionsOfHell TheLegionsOfHell he battles as a FinishingMove. The bright and shining Absolve-based finishers aren't all that much less brutal than their scythe-based Punish counterparts.



** V4's Aileen Borden seems to fit this trope so far. Being a DeadpanSnarker and somewhat of a JerkWithAHeartOfGold from the beginning, she tends to snark her way through events in the game, and does from time to time get annoyed with her allies. However, despite this, she genuinely wants to get as many people off the island as possible, gets worried about her team mates when they go missing and is relieved when they show up again, and gets upset at Announcement time, especially if someone she knows is named. Shame about her being a UnwittingPawn to [[ManipulativeBastard Aaron Hughes]]...
* Corporal Erik Mahren, range officer at Whateley Academy in the WhateleyUniverse. Coarse, angry, and clinically insane after the horrors he experienced in a Black Ops group for the U.S. Defense Department, he acts like a JerkAss to the students. Except he'll do anything to keep students from being hurt on his ranges, and he was willing to be brutally ripped to pieces to save a teenage girl from killing herself.

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** V4's Aileen Borden seems to fit this trope so far. Being a DeadpanSnarker and somewhat of a JerkWithAHeartOfGold from the beginning, she tends to snark her way through events in the game, and does from time to time get annoyed with her allies. However, despite this, she genuinely wants to get as many people off the island as possible, gets worried about her team mates when they go missing and is relieved when they show up again, and gets upset at Announcement time, especially if someone she knows is named. Shame about her being a an UnwittingPawn to [[ManipulativeBastard Aaron Hughes]]...
* Corporal Erik Mahren, range officer at Whateley Academy in the WhateleyUniverse.Literature/WhateleyUniverse. Coarse, angry, and clinically insane after the horrors he experienced in a Black Ops group for the U.S. Defense Department, he acts like a JerkAss to the students. Except he'll do anything to keep students from being hurt on his ranges, and he was willing to be brutally ripped to pieces to save a teenage girl from killing herself.



* ''WebVideo/TheAngryVideoGameNerd'', but he briefly showed some compassion in the ''VideoGame/{{Battletoads}}'' review by letting Kyle Justin sit on the couch.
** And in the R.O.B. episode, he single-handedly [[spoiler:defeated R.O.B. so that all the games in the world weren't limited to ''Gyromite'' and ''Stack-Up'']].
* ''WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic'' may be a PsychopathicManchild with a DarkAndTroubledPast, but God help you if you were to [[BerserkButton hurt a child]].

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* ''WebVideo/TheAngryVideoGameNerd'', but he WebVideo/TheAngryVideoGameNerd. He briefly showed some compassion in the ''VideoGame/{{Battletoads}}'' review by letting Kyle Justin sit on the couch.
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couch. And in the R.O.B. episode, he single-handedly [[spoiler:defeated R.O.B. so that all the games in the world weren't limited to ''Gyromite'' and ''Stack-Up'']].
* ''WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic'' WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic may be a PsychopathicManchild with a DarkAndTroubledPast, but God help you if you were to [[BerserkButton hurt a child]].



* Most of the main cast in RedVsBlue. [[TeethClenchedTeamwork They insult each other constantly,]] [[WeAreStrugglingTogether bicker over everything]], and are generally jerks. But when it comes down to the wire, [[JerkWithaHeartOfGold they'll put their lives on the line]] for a good cause.

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* Most of the main cast in RedVsBlue.''Machinima/RedVsBlue''. [[TeethClenchedTeamwork They insult each other constantly,]] [[WeAreStrugglingTogether bicker over everything]], and are generally jerks. But when it comes down to the wire, [[JerkWithaHeartOfGold they'll put their lives on the line]] for a good cause.



** The BigDamnMovie, ''WesternAnimation/SouthParkBiggerLongerAndUncut'', has "Ze Mole." A huge {{Jerkass}} to everyone, who spews obscenities about God frequently, and goes on about how childish and naive the other boys are, but he still joins the boys to help Terrence and Phillip in the name of freedom [[spoiler:and dies in the process. He does get better thanks to the ResetButton, though he's never had a major appearance since.]]
** Reality, which takes the form of a [[DarkIsNotEvil top hat-wearing villain]], as this is spades in "Safe Space". He attacks an incredibly rattled Butters for filtering everybody's negative comments, and verbally attacks everyone for letting their obsessive fear of criticism push Butters into suicide by having him work to maintain their safe spaces. [[spoiler: [[IgnoredEpiphany The townspeople, just make third-world children filter comments for them, and, publicly hang Reality]] ]].
** ''Creator/JamesCameron'' is portrayed as an unbelievably arrogant, egotistical, and gullible "hero" in ''Raising The Bar'', who is so obnoxious he forces his crew to listen to his ''theme music'' while he ignores their insistance that the "bar" is a metaphor. [[spoiler:In true South Park fashion the bar is real, he saves the whole world from degenerate media by raising it, and he denies accepting any credit or thanks for what he's done because "James Cameron does not do what James Cameron does for James Cameron."]]

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** The BigDamnMovie, ''WesternAnimation/SouthParkBiggerLongerAndUncut'', has "Ze Mole." A huge {{Jerkass}} to everyone, who spews obscenities about God frequently, and goes on about how childish and naive the other boys are, but he still joins the boys to help Terrence and Phillip in the name of freedom [[spoiler:and dies in the process. He does get better thanks to the ResetButton, though he's never had a major appearance since.]]
since]].
** Reality, which takes the form of a [[DarkIsNotEvil top hat-wearing villain]], as this is spades in "Safe Space". He attacks an incredibly rattled Butters for filtering everybody's negative comments, and verbally attacks everyone for letting their obsessive fear of criticism push Butters into suicide by having him work to maintain their safe spaces. [[spoiler: [[IgnoredEpiphany The townspeople, just make third-world children filter comments for them, and, publicly hang Reality]] ]].
Reality]].]]
** ''Creator/JamesCameron'' is portrayed as an unbelievably arrogant, egotistical, and gullible "hero" in ''Raising "Raising The Bar'', Bar", who is so obnoxious he forces his crew to listen to his ''theme music'' while he ignores their insistance insistence that the "bar" is a metaphor. [[spoiler:In true South Park fashion the bar is real, he saves the whole world from degenerate media by raising it, and he denies accepting any credit or thanks for what he's done because "James Cameron does not do what James Cameron does for James Cameron."]]



* Raphael in all incarnations of the ''Franchise/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles''. He's cool but rude. (As he himself puts it, "I don't do nice!")

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* ''Franchise/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles''
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Raphael in all incarnations of the ''Franchise/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles''.incarnations. He's cool but rude. (As he himself puts it, "I don't do nice!")
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* BreakHisHeartToSaveHim

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* BreakHisHeartToSaveHimBreakHisHeartToSaveHim: A hero acts like a jerk to someone they love (usually their love interest) so they'll leave them and stay out of danger.



* KickTheSonOfABitch

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* KickTheSonOfABitchKickTheSonOfABitch: When the hero's cruel act isn't that bad because the one receiving it isn't sympathetic.



* OmniscientMoralityLicense

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* OmniscientMoralityLicenseOmniscientMoralityLicense: Someone does whatever they want with the heroes, but is still considered good because they know it will turn out alright.
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