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15th Jan '17 11:18:36 AM Nintendoman01
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* ''Manga/DragonBall'': Goku frequently underestimates just how evil some people can be, and is all too willing to give them a LastSecondChance when he has them at his mercy. For example, he falls for Raditz's [[VillainsWantMercy pleas for mercy]] and grants it to him, only for Raditz to knock him down and mercilessly break his ribs; all the while, Goku is absolutely ''shocked'' that Raditz lied. He also spared Frieza's life ''twice'' out of a misguided act of mercy, and both times, Frieza used it to his advantage and tried to stab him in the back.
5th Jan '17 9:21:56 AM Allronix
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** In the ExpandedUniverse (Legends canon), this is a problem for several species who can't wrap their heads around the ideas behind Imperial ideals of DystopiaJustufuesTheMeans and power for power's sake. A species who got hit hard by this were the Miraluka, a species of {{BlindSeer}}s who had no functioning eyes and saw everything through the Force. They had a comprehension of evil, but not to the degree the Empire could bring. As a result, the Empire hunted them for their inherent Sensitivity and the FantasticRacism against any non-humans, forcing many of them to masquerade as blind humans to escape persecution.

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** In the ExpandedUniverse (Legends canon), this is a problem for several species who can't wrap their heads around the ideas behind Imperial ideals of DystopiaJustufuesTheMeans DystopiaJustifiesTheMeans and power for power's sake. A species who got hit hard by this were the Miraluka, a species of {{BlindSeer}}s who had no functioning eyes and saw everything through the Force. They had a comprehension of evil, but not to the degree the Empire could bring. As a result, the Empire hunted them for their inherent Sensitivity and the FantasticRacism against any non-humans, forcing many of them to masquerade as blind humans to escape persecution.
5th Jan '17 9:21:05 AM Allronix
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** In the ExpandedUniverse (Legends canon), this is a problem for several species who can't wrap their heads around the ideas behind Imperial ideals of DystopiaJustufuesTheMeans and power for power's sake. A species who got hit hard by this were the Miraluka, a species of {{BlindSeer}}s who had no functioning eyes and saw everything through the Force. They had a comprehension of evil, but not to the degree the Empire could bring. As a result, the Empire hunted them for their inherent Sensitivity and the FantasticRacism against any non-humans, forcing many of them to masquerade as blind humans to escape persecution.
3rd Jan '17 12:48:53 AM Nintendoman01
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* ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidPeaceWalker'': While it's a ''very'' long stretch to call [[AxCrazy Hot Coldman]] "Good," the entire reason for the Peace Walker project is because he genuinely believed that even the most strong-willed humans would be too moral to retaliate against a nuclear strike and would gracefully accept death instead if it meant not bringing about a nuclear apocalypse. He went so far as to have Peace Walker transmit false data to NORAD in order to force the military to decide whether or not to retaliate, firmly convinced that they would stop at the last second, thus proving the need for Peace Walker's existence. Posthumously, Coldman is proven wrong when the military actually ''does'' try to order a retaliatory strike, and are only prevented from doing so when Peace Walker drowns itself in Lake Nicaragua to stop the data transmission. Venom Snake even lampshades it on a cassette tape in ''[[VideoGame/MetalGearSolidVThePhantomPain The Phantom Pain]]'':
-->'''Venom Snake''': "Humans are incapable of destroying themselves?" Turns out he never knew ''what'' humans are capable of.
19th Nov '16 6:37:03 PM TheCuza
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-->'''Salesman:''' What can I say, Hank? I'm a salesman.\\

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-->'''Salesman:''' --->'''Salesman:''' What can I say, Hank? I'm a salesman.\\
19th Nov '16 6:36:45 PM TheCuza
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** Hank was also swindled by a used car salesman for 25 years, ever since the salesman told the teenage Hank buying his very first car that paying sticker price was a huge discount available only to a privileged few. Present-day Hank is of course an extremely honest salesman ([[CatchPhrase of propane and propane accessories]]), and it seemingly never crossed his mind that a salesman could be dishonest.
-->'''Salesman:''' What can I say, Hank? I'm a salesman.\\
'''Hank:''' I know! You're a ''salesman''! That's why none of this makes any sense!
14th Nov '16 9:49:33 AM sgamer82
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* In ''Film/RichieRich,'' it's obvious to most everyone Laurence Van Dough is jealous of the Riches and wants the business for himself, but even after he's marooned on a desert island by him, Mr. Rich can't grasp how bad Laurence is.
** This plays into the finale when Van Dough breaks into the Rich family vault, only to find that instead of gold and money, it contains personal items and memories of the Rich's lives. To them, it's perfectly logical that they would use the vault for the stuff that's most important to them and they're astounded Laurence would think they hoard their money away.
-->'''Van Dough''': Where's the money?!
-->'''Mr. Rich''': In banks. Where else?

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* In ''Film/RichieRich,'' it's ''Film/RichieRich'':
** It's
obvious to most everyone Laurence Van Dough is jealous of the Riches Richs and wants the business for himself, but even after he's marooned on a desert island by him, Mr. Rich can't grasp how bad Laurence is.
** This plays into the finale when Van Dough breaks into the Rich family vault, only to find that instead of gold and money, it contains personal items and memories of the Rich's Richs' lives. To them, it's perfectly logical that they would use the vault for the stuff that's most important to them and they're astounded Laurence would think they hoard their money away.
-->'''Van --->'''Van Dough''': Where's the money?!
-->'''Mr.
money?!\\
'''Mr.
Rich''': In banks. Where else?



* Literature/InDeath series: Dr. Mira in ''Midnight in Death'' is unable to find out why David Palmer is such a bastard - particularly notable because Mira is an NYPSD psychiatrist and [[TheProfiler profiler]] whose ''job'' involves understanding the minds and motivations of criminals. Eve Dallas is unable to find out why her own mother is so bad in ''New York To Dallas''.

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* Literature/InDeath ''Literature/InDeath'' series: Dr. Mira in ''Midnight in Death'' is unable to find out why David Palmer is such a bastard - particularly notable because Mira is an NYPSD psychiatrist and [[TheProfiler profiler]] whose ''job'' involves understanding the minds and motivations of criminals. Eve Dallas is unable to find out why her own mother is so bad in ''New York To Dallas''.
14th Nov '16 9:45:22 AM sgamer82
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* ''Franchise/StarWars'': The Jedi Order suffers from this problem, and the Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse has shown again and again that for a group that acts as champions of good, the Jedi Order has absolutely no understanding of the dark side. Justified since many of them refused to so much as study the Sith or the Dark Side, believing that even trying to understand evil would lead them to fall.

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* ''Franchise/StarWars'': ''Franchise/StarWars'':
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The Jedi Order suffers from this problem, and the Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse has shown again and again that for a group that acts as champions of good, the Jedi Order has absolutely no understanding of the dark side. Justified since many of them refused to so much as study the Sith or the Dark Side, believing that even trying to understand evil would lead them to fall.



* In ''Literature/TheSilmarillion'', it is said that the [[OurGodsAreDifferent Valar]] didn't understand [[GodOfEvil Morgoth]]'s evil. The most obvious manifestation of this failure is when Morgoth was imprisoned for millenia after his first rebellion; eventually, the Valar king (and Morgoth's brother), [[TopGod Manwë]] (whose name means something like "[[IncorruptiblePurePureness incorruptible]]") frees him because he claims to have repented. Not all of the Valar seem to have been convinced, but Manwë didn't question it.

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* In ''Literature/TheSilmarillion'', it ''Literature/TheSilmarillion'':
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is said that the [[OurGodsAreDifferent Valar]] didn't understand [[GodOfEvil Morgoth]]'s evil. The most obvious manifestation of this failure is when Morgoth was imprisoned for millenia millennia after his first rebellion; eventually, the Valar king (and Morgoth's brother), [[TopGod Manwë]] (whose name means something like "[[IncorruptiblePurePureness incorruptible]]") frees him because he claims to have repented. Not all of the Valar seem to have been convinced, but Manwë didn't question it.



* In ''Series/{{Fargo}}'', the murderous liar Lester is in conversation with his brother, Oswalt, who grasps to understand him and states, "There's just... something ''missing''." Oswalt admits that was why he didn't want to listen to his deputy's theories about Lester being the killer, that he didn't want to face the idea the world could be this way.

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* In ''Series/{{Fargo}}'', the ''Series/{{Fargo}}'':
** The
murderous liar Lester is in conversation with his brother, Oswalt, who grasps to understand him and states, "There's just... something ''missing''." Oswalt admits that was why he didn't want to listen to his deputy's theories about Lester being the killer, that he didn't want to face the idea the world could be this way.



* The reason the team of ''Series/{{Leverage}}'' get so much business. There is no shortage of people who find themselves the victims of scam artists or corrupt businesspeople, good and decent folks who can never concieve being taken advantage of. That includes people who trusted the crooks, even friends and can't believe they were ripped off so badly. Sadly, this counts as TruthInTelevision.

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* The reason the team of ''Series/{{Leverage}}'' get so much business. There is no shortage of people who find themselves the victims of scam artists or corrupt businesspeople, good and decent folks who can never concieve conceive being taken advantage of. That includes people who trusted the crooks, even friends and can't believe they were ripped off so badly. Sadly, this counts as TruthInTelevision.



* In the lore of ''VideoGame/{{Warcraft}}'', this is what happened with Sargeras, the creator and leader of the Burning Legion. Originally belonging to a race of god-like beings called the Titans, he and his kind traveled throughout the cosmos to bring order to worlds; they were so powerful they defeated the Old Gods, the {{Eldritch Abomination}}s of Azeroth, and created the dragons to become the world's stewards. While defeating and imprisoning the demons of the Twisting Nether, their evil caused Sargeras to question the Titans' quest for order. He was driven into depression after witnessing the chaos wrought by the demons, especially after defeating the vampiric Nathrezim, whose manipulative bastardry on various worlds affected him deeply. Eventually, he went completely off the rails with the belief that the Titans' quest for order was essentially ''wrong'', given that he saw the Universe as intrinsically chaotic and evil. The last the Titans saw him, Sargeras had freed the demons he had personally previously imprisoned, made them a part of his army, and sent his Burning Legion to bring war upon the Universe, putting into action the corruption of the Draenei and Orcs, the birth of the Lich King, and the multiple near-destruction of Azeroth itself. An example of GoodCannotComprehendEvil taken to epic proportions.

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* In the lore of ''VideoGame/{{Warcraft}}'', this ''VideoGame/{{Warcraft}}''
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is what happened with Sargeras, the creator and leader of the Burning Legion. Originally belonging to a race of god-like beings called the Titans, he and his kind traveled throughout the cosmos to bring order to worlds; they were so powerful they defeated the Old Gods, the {{Eldritch Abomination}}s of Azeroth, and created the dragons to become the world's stewards. While defeating and imprisoning the demons of the Twisting Nether, their evil caused Sargeras to question the Titans' quest for order. He was driven into depression after witnessing the chaos wrought by the demons, especially after defeating the vampiric Nathrezim, whose manipulative bastardry on various worlds affected him deeply. Eventually, he went completely off the rails with the belief that the Titans' quest for order was essentially ''wrong'', given that he saw the Universe as intrinsically chaotic and evil. The last the Titans saw him, Sargeras had freed the demons he had personally previously imprisoned, made them a part of his army, and sent his Burning Legion to bring war upon the Universe, putting into action the corruption of the Draenei and Orcs, the birth of the Lich King, and the multiple near-destruction of Azeroth itself. An example of GoodCannotComprehendEvil taken to epic proportions.



* ''VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic'' and its sequel ''KnightsOfTheOldRepublicIITheSithLords'' show the Jedi to be very ignorant of the Sith order and the motives of those who turn to the dark side. In particular, Darth Revan was able to convert so many Jedi to his cause not only because of this trope, but also because he was a notable aversion of EvilCannotComprehendGood. Revan understood the order and its flaws far too well, exploiting them to deadly effect.
* Comes up again in ''VideoGame/StarWarsTheOldRepublic'', the Jedi order is apparently blind to the massive corruption in the Republic and a large number of dark Jedi, Sith aligned and otherwise, in their own ranks.
** This trope directly leads to the downfall of one Jedi Master. He believes all beings can be redeemed, and that he is just the one to do it. [[spoiler:When he tries to convince the Sith Emperor into a HeelFaceTurn, the realisation of exactly how evil Vitiate truly is causes his worldview to [[GoMadFromTheRevelation snap messily]]]].

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* ''Franchise/StarWars'' Games:
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''VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic'' and its sequel ''KnightsOfTheOldRepublicIITheSithLords'' show the Jedi to be very ignorant of the Sith order and the motives of those who turn to the dark side. In particular, Darth Revan was able to convert so many Jedi to his cause not only because of this trope, but also because he was a notable aversion of EvilCannotComprehendGood. Revan understood the order and its flaws far too well, exploiting them to deadly effect.
* Comes up again in ''VideoGame/StarWarsTheOldRepublic'', the ** ''VideoGame/StarWarsTheOldRepublic''
*** The
Jedi order is apparently blind to the massive corruption in the Republic and a large number of dark Jedi, Sith aligned and otherwise, in their own ranks.
** *** This trope directly leads to the downfall of one Jedi Master. He believes all beings can be redeemed, and that he is just the one to do it. [[spoiler:When he tries to convince the Sith Emperor into a HeelFaceTurn, the realisation of exactly how evil Vitiate truly is causes his worldview to [[GoMadFromTheRevelation snap messily]]]].



* The titular protagonist of ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'' is so upbeat and selfless he assumes that anything "mean" is a simple misunderstanding. The following quote refers to an alien invader who has already tried to kill him, and is currently en route to exterminate mankind.
-->'''Steven:''' Maybe when Peridot gets to Earth, she'll see how nice all the people are. And she won't want to hurt anyone.
** This works out for him quite a bit. [[spoiler: Peridot does eventually make a HeelFaceTurn, basically for the reasons he suggested. But it ''doesn't'' work enough that it's starting to traumatize him.]]

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* ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse:''
**
The titular protagonist of ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'' title character is so upbeat and selfless he assumes that anything "mean" is a simple misunderstanding. The following quote refers to an alien invader who has already tried to kill him, and is currently en route to exterminate mankind.
-->'''Steven:''' --->'''Steven:''' Maybe when Peridot gets to Earth, she'll see how nice all the people are. And she won't want to hurt anyone.
** This works out for him quite a bit. [[spoiler: Peridot does eventually make a HeelFaceTurn, basically for the reasons he suggested. But in later episodes it ''doesn't'' ''fails'' to work enough that it's starting to traumatize him.]]



3rd Nov '16 2:03:27 PM rafi
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* Henry Pym in ''WesternAnimation/TheAvengersEarthsMightiestHeroes'' will often try to reason with enemies first, especially if they used to be his villainy-rehab patients. In his defense, it almost works on Wonder Man before Iron Man brings down an InterruptedCooldownHug.



* Henry Pym in ''WesternAnimation/TheAvengersEarthsMightiestHeroes'' will often try to reason with enemies first, especially if they used to be his villainy-rehab patients. In his defense, it almost works on Wonder Man before Iron Man brings down an InterruptedCooldownHug.

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* Henry Pym in ''WesternAnimation/TheAvengersEarthsMightiestHeroes'' will often try to reason In ''WesternAnimation/TheCondor'', Tony has a hard time believing that his own cousin Reuben is a Jerkass unrepentant gangster. Even after [[spoiler:Reuben sabotaged his skateboard and later cooperated with enemies first, especially Taipan to ''set fire to Tony's house'']], Tony ''still'' thinks he can "save" Reuben and extends an olive branch. After Reuben angrily rejects him, Sammi gently explains to Tony that he can only save Reuben if they used Reuben ''wants'' to be his villainy-rehab patients. In his defense, it almost works on Wonder Man before Iron Man brings down an InterruptedCooldownHug.saved.



* In ''WesternAnimation/KingOfTheHill'', Hank Hill seems to assume everyone is as honorable and law abiding as him. In "Ho Yeah!", an angry pimp gets into a car chase with him. Hank crosses a stoplight just before it turns red and thinks this has bought him time. When the pimp crosses the red light to continue chasing him, Hank is incredibly shocked.



* In ''WesternAnimation/TheCondor'', Tony has a hard time believing that his own cousin Reuben is a Jerkass unrepentant gangster. Even after [[spoiler:Reuben sabotaged his skateboard and later cooperated with Taipan to ''set fire to Tony's house'']], Tony ''still'' thinks he can "save" Reuben and extends an olive branch. After Reuben angrily rejects him, Sammi gently explains to Tony that he can only save Reuben if Reuben ''wants'' to be saved.
* In ''WesternAnimation/KingOfTheHill'', Hank Hill seems to assume everyone is as honorable and law abiding as him. In "Ho Yeah!", an angry pimp gets into a car chase with him. Hank crosses a stoplight just before it turns red and thinks this has bought him time. When the pimp crosses the red light to continue chasing him, Hank is incredibly shocked.

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* In ''WesternAnimation/TheCondor'', Tony has a hard time believing that his own cousin Reuben Ella from ''WesternAnimation/TotalDrama Pahkitew Island'' is a Jerkass unrepentant gangster. Even after [[spoiler:Reuben sabotaged his skateboard and later cooperated with Taipan to ''set fire to Tony's house'']], Tony ''still'' thinks he can "save" Reuben and extends an olive branch. After Reuben angrily rejects him, Sammi gently explains to Tony that he can only save Reuben if Reuben ''wants'' one of nicest characters of the ''Total Drama'' franchise. She desperately wants to be saved.
* In ''WesternAnimation/KingOfTheHill'', Hank Hill seems to assume everyone is as honorable
Sugar's friend and law abiding as him. In "Ho Yeah!", an angry pimp gets into a car chase with him. Hank crosses a stoplight just before it turns red absolutely does not understand why Sugar (a FatBitch and thinks this has bought him time. When the pimp crosses the red light to continue chasing him, Hank is incredibly shocked.an AttentionWhore that see Ella as a potential rival) hate her so much.
3rd Nov '16 1:54:30 PM ultimomant
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* In ''WesternAnimation/KingOfTheHill'', Hank Hill seems to assume everyone is as honorable and law abiding as him. In "Ho Yeah!", an angry pimp gets into a car chase with him. Hank crosses a stoplight just before it turns red and thinks this has bought him time. When the pimp crosses the red light to continue chasing him, Hank is incredibly shocked.
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