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20th Jun '16 2:40:20 PM dvorak
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# The deity in question is [[GodIsGood a benevolent God]]. It can do anything ''except interfere with free will''; this includes the villain's free will as well. The god ''[[TheOmnipotent can interfere with free will]]'', but it doesn't because that would ''negate'' the purpose of free will in the first place. It doesn't want a creation filled with puppets, and thus interfering defeats the objective.

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# The deity in question is [[GodIsGood a benevolent God]]. It can do anything ''except interfere with free will''; this includes the villain's free will as well. The Alternitavely, the god ''[[TheOmnipotent can interfere with free will]]'', but it doesn't because that would ''negate'' the purpose of free will in the first place. It doesn't want a creation filled with puppets, and thus interfering defeats the objective.
15th Jun '16 3:46:52 PM DarkHunter
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** ''The Ellimist Chronicles'' shows what happens when their hands are '''not''' tied. If I remember correctly at least 10% of the galaxy was destroyed ''before'' the Ellimist acquired his interdimensional powers. The Cold War style battle is required to keep the fabric of reality from falling apart.

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** ''The Ellimist Chronicles'' shows what happens when their hands are '''not''' tied. If I remember correctly at At least 10% of the galaxy was destroyed ''before'' the Ellimist acquired his interdimensional powers. they became Sufficiently Advanced, and they are many orders of magnitude more powerful now than they were then. The Cold War style battle CosmicChessGame is required to keep the fabric of reality from falling apart.
11th Jun '16 5:48:54 PM Dravencour
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* The first ''VideoGame/GodOfWar'' has the Greek pantheon sending Kratos off to kill Ares for them, simply because Gods cannot fight or kill one another. So a mortal directly trained by a God seemed to be their best option. Somewhat off-put, however, by the fact that Kratos himself [[spoiler:is a demigod]].

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* The first ''VideoGame/GodOfWar'' has the Greek pantheon sending Kratos off to kill Ares for them, simply because Gods cannot fight or kill one another. So a mortal directly trained by a God seemed to be their best option. Somewhat off-put, however, by the fact that Kratos himself [[spoiler:is a demigod]].Zeus' own demigod son]].
11th Jun '16 4:03:21 PM Dravencour
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# The deity is so [[RealityWarper insanely powerful]], it merely interacting with the cosmos to purge the threat, could unravel the fabric of reality and destroy everything.

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# The deity is so [[RealityWarper insanely powerful]], it that for them to merely interacting interact with the cosmos to purge the threat, threat could unravel the fabric of reality and destroy everything.
11th Jun '16 4:01:59 PM Dravencour
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*** Finally revealed in III: the same thing that was preventing the forces of Hell from mounting a full-scale invasion of the mortal world was preventing the Angels from fighting back. Diablo and crew were just more ready, willing and able to find loopholes in the rules and niches in the armor. This turns out to have been good for humans, as direct confrontation between angels and devils typically results in situations like TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt. Unfortunately, the angels still don't help once this pact is blown to hell.

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*** Finally revealed in III: the same thing that was preventing the forces of Hell from mounting a full-scale invasion of the mortal world was preventing the Angels from fighting back. Diablo and crew were just more ready, willing and able to find loopholes in the rules and niches in the armor. This turns out to have been good for humans, as direct confrontation between angels and devils demons typically results in situations like TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt. Unfortunately, the angels still don't help once this pact is blown to hell.
11th Jun '16 11:08:49 AM Morgenthaler
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* Early in the IncarnationsOfImmortality series, the Incarnations believe God is honoring a Covenant to avoid intervening in mortal affairs, since He is good. However, Satan, being Evil, cheats and intervenes constantly. Starting in "For the Love of Evil," we find the trope HaveYouSeenMyGod applies instead and find out why God has not been intervening in mortal affairs.

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* Early in the IncarnationsOfImmortality ''Literature/IncarnationsOfImmortality'' series, the Incarnations believe God is honoring a Covenant to avoid intervening in mortal affairs, since He is good. However, Satan, being Evil, cheats and intervenes constantly. Starting in "For the Love of Evil," we find the trope HaveYouSeenMyGod applies instead and find out why God has not been intervening in mortal affairs.
28th Apr '16 4:25:34 AM isoycrazy
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* In the Literature/TheDresdenFiles
** There are several beings of incredible power, from Fairy Queens of the Summer and Winter courts, to God and His Angels. In the realm of Fairy Queens, they can only harm a mortal who has some debt or existing contract with them. Even if they are being attacked by a mortal who has no contract with them, their attacks are severely weakened. The Queens are also limited by the fact they cannot interfere in the machinations of other Queens of their court. [[spoiler:This rule prevents the Queen mothers, the oldest and strongest of the Queens, from stopping a war between the courts when they know the Summer Lady, youngest of the Summer Court, started the war.]] That said, there is nothing about not using a mortal, like the hero Harry Dresden, from helping stop the war.
** Also, the angels in the Dresden Files are also bound by numerous laws that restrain their actions, usually aimed at stopping the Fallen angels. Most of their actions center around aiding their mortal allies, the Knights of the Cross. For example, the Archangel Uriel's job is to preserve mortal free will, not tell humans how they are to use their free will. An example of this is that in ''Skin Game''. Uriel appears before one Knight before he is about to make a Heroic Sacrifice, telling him he left the job and didn't have to do this. The BigBad, who is salivating at the idea of killing his nemesis, looks at Uriel's human form , tells him to get out of the way, and flicks his nose. Uriel can only glare at the bad guy, who as a mortal, can do that without Uriel smiting him. [[spoiler:Uriel's only choice in the matter is to help the Knight with a choice he already made, and does just that]].

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* In the Literature/TheDresdenFiles
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Literature/TheDresdenFiles: There are several beings of incredible power, from Fairy Queens of the Summer and Winter courts, to God and His Angels. Angels.
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can only harm a mortal who has some debt or existing contract with them. Even if they are being attacked by a mortal who has no contract with them, their attacks are severely weakened. That said, nothing stops an angered Queen from taking the person and leaving the person like at the bottom of the ocean, the jungle, or other inhospitable place to be killed. The ''Queen'' doesn't kill them, at least not directly.
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The Queens are also limited by the fact they cannot interfere in the machinations of other Queens of their court. [[spoiler:This rule prevents the Queen mothers, the oldest and strongest of the Queens, from stopping a war between the courts when they know the Summer Lady, youngest of the Summer Court, started the war.]] That said, there is nothing about not using a mortal, like the hero Harry Dresden, from helping stop the war.
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angels in the Dresden Files are also bound by numerous laws that restrain their actions, usually aimed at stopping the Fallen angels. Most of their actions center around aiding their mortal allies, the Knights of the Cross. For example, the Archangel Uriel's job is to preserve mortal free will, not tell humans how they are to use their free will. An example of this is that in ''Skin Game''. Uriel appears before one Knight before he is about to make a Heroic Sacrifice, telling him he left the job and didn't have to do this. The BigBad, who is salivating at the idea of killing his nemesis, looks at Uriel's human form , tells him to get out of the way, and flicks his nose. Uriel can only glare at the bad guy, who as a mortal, can do that without Uriel smiting him. [[spoiler:Uriel's only choice in the matter is to help the Knight with a choice he already made, and does just that]].that]].
*** [[ThePaladin Knights of the Cross]] have limits too. When they face the powers of darkness, {{Contrived Coincidence}}s tend to fall into their laps, like Michael not willing to leave his children alone after learning a demon is going after his wife while she is out of the house, and his priest just happened to be driving by on the street over and now has car trouble. He just happened to come when Michael needs help. That said, if a mortal ''chooses'' a fate, like making a deal with a demon or fae and the "evil" side has honored it or the person is walking into danger without being cautious, the Knight is less likely to gain any sort of boosts or protections if they try to help that person.
** While not a god in a typical fashion, the Archive has her hands tied. The Archive is the repository of ''all'' human knowledge since at a minimum ancient Greece. Everything written, printed, and now typed is within her. The Archive is practically immortal but its host is not. The Archive is passed down from mother-to-daughter along a single line. She cannot use her magic or knowledge to help another person, no matter how noble a quest, no matter how close a friend she is. The current Archive, Ivy, ispained and strained when Harry, desperate for information, asked for help as she wanted to, knowing what is in the one book he said he would have used and got out that he should try another book instead, despite the pain. She is meant to be neutral and there should all human knowledge be lost.
16th Apr '16 12:16:05 PM PaulA
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* In ''Literature/TheBalancedSword'', the demon Kerlamion has taken steps to prevent the gods actively interfering in his scheming, so it's up to the mortals to figure out what's going on and put a stop to it. Most of the gods, anyway; he didn't bother with some of the smaller gods, considering them no threat -- including Poplock's patron god Blackwart, which subsequent events suggest may have been a mistake. After Kyri's RageAgainstTheHeavens moment, her patron god Myrionar starts actively assisting her as much as It is able to.
26th Feb '16 9:19:02 PM AnotherGuy
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* The Spectre in ''ComicBook/KingdomCome'', who uses Norm [=McCay=] as his agent, and it's Norm's job to choose who to punish. In the {{Novelization}}, Norm [[RefusalOfTheCall initially tells the Spectre to punish himself for allowing Armageddon to happen]].
19th Feb '16 11:27:13 PM Jake
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** In general, however, [[DontFearTheReaper Death will take any excuse to bend the rules in favour of helping humanity]]. Most memorably and spectacularly so in ''Discworld/ThiefOfTime'': The Horsemen of the Apocalypse might be prophesised to ride out when TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt is imminent, but [[AintNoRule the prophecy doesn't specifiy which side they have to be on]].]]

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** In general, however, [[DontFearTheReaper Death will take any excuse to bend the rules in favour of helping humanity]]. Most memorably and spectacularly so in ''Discworld/ThiefOfTime'': The [[spoiler:The Horsemen of the Apocalypse might be prophesised to ride out when TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt is imminent, but [[AintNoRule the prophecy doesn't specifiy which side they have to be on]].]]
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