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1st Apr '17 7:48:24 PM ElectroKraken
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* The Chaos Gods in ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' seem unwilling or unable to directly enter or affect the Materium (unless, possibly, there is a severe instability of the Warp, or a large concentration of Chaos worshipers). They are said to have directly infused Horus with their power, and when he was destroyed by the Emperor, they fled in fear of being harmed. The Emperor himself is worshiped enough to likely be a god within the Warhammer cosmology, but he is limited by the fact that his body is still (barely) alive and confined to an incredibly complex and immobile life support machine, though its implied he is occasionally able to directly help his followers. The Eldar gods were an aversion, as they apparently took part in the war against the Necrons and C'tan. However, after most of them were eaten by Slannesh, of the three who survived, one spends most of his time in an impenetrable Warp matrix, where he advises one of the most enigmatic Eldar factions, the second was broken into pieces (though those pieces are still able to occasionally manifest to provide military aid to the Eldar) and the third is held prisoner by one of the other Chaos Gods as a testing ground for his newest diseases.

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* The Chaos Gods in ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' seem unwilling or unable to directly enter or affect the Materium (unless, possibly, there is a severe instability of the Warp, or a large concentration of Chaos worshipers). They are said to have directly infused Horus with their power, and when he was destroyed by the Emperor, they fled in fear of being harmed. The Emperor himself is worshiped enough to likely be a god within the Warhammer cosmology, but he is limited by the fact that his body is still (barely) alive and confined to an incredibly complex and immobile life support machine, though its it's implied he is occasionally able to directly help his followers. The Eldar gods were an aversion, as they apparently took part in the war against the Necrons and C'tan. However, after most of them were eaten by Slannesh, of the three who survived, one spends most of his time in an impenetrable Warp matrix, where he advises one of the most enigmatic Eldar factions, the second was broken into pieces (though those pieces are still able to occasionally manifest to provide military aid to the Eldar) and the third is held prisoner by one of the other Chaos Gods as a testing ground for his newest diseases.
29th Mar '17 5:19:59 PM SullenFrog
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* [[spoiler:Claude Trilleo]] of ''VisualNovel/{{Sunrider}}'' is practically omnipotent and could end the central conflict with a snap of her fingers, but doesn't because using too much of her power will create [[RealityBreakingParadox reality-destroying paradoxes]]. She thus has to carefully plan out how and when to use her powers, and will only do so in [[GodWasMyCopilot subtle ways]].
26th Mar '17 2:35:44 PM Fireblood
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* ''WebVideo/DarkMatter2525'': [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1BzP1wr234 God cites free will]] (among other things) as a reason why he can't stop evil to Jeffrey, who points out the inconsistency regarding this.

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* ''WebVideo/DarkMatter2525'': ''WebAnimation/DarkMatter2525'': [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1BzP1wr234 God cites free will]] (among other things) as a reason why he can't stop evil to Jeffrey, who points out the inconsistency regarding this.
26th Mar '17 2:18:06 PM Fireblood
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* In ''{{Literature/Moonflowers}}'', the Irish gods are trying to help Alima Song break the curse that TheWildHunt put on her and her family. As much as they detest how a family is marked for slaughter, they're at their wits' end due to how airtight the curse is, and Alima's father Ned has to make a BloodOath to kill their leader the Hunter. It's eventually revealed that he's the ''Horned Hunter'' of CelticMythology, and that makes him ''[[AnthropomorphicPersonification a force of nature.]]'' [[/folder]]

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* In ''{{Literature/Moonflowers}}'', the Irish gods are trying to help Alima Song break the curse that TheWildHunt put on her and her family. As much as they detest how a family is marked for slaughter, they're at their wits' end due to how airtight the curse is, and Alima's father Ned has to make a BloodOath to kill their leader the Hunter. It's eventually revealed that he's the ''Horned Hunter'' of CelticMythology, and that makes him ''[[AnthropomorphicPersonification a force of nature.]]'' ]]''
* ''WebVideo/DarkMatter2525'': [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1BzP1wr234 God cites free will]] (among other things) as a reason why he can't stop evil to Jeffrey, who points out the inconsistency regarding this.
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* Fiction authors in general may be essentially considered omnipotent gods of their fictional universes, since they are completely in control of what happens and what the characters do. However, they are bound by the ObstructiveCodeOfConduct of "make the work enjoyable", which mean no {{Deus Ex Machina}}s, no {{Out Of Character Moment}}s, no letting the characters defuse the situation with five minutes of honest discussion, etc. Furthermore, if one believes IJustWriteTheThing to be true, the author's control is even more limited.

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* Fiction authors in general may be essentially considered omnipotent gods of their fictional universes, since they are completely in control of what happens and what the characters do. However, they are bound by the ObstructiveCodeOfConduct of "make the work enjoyable", which mean no {{Deus Ex Machina}}s, {{deus ex machina}}s, no {{Out {{out Of Character Moment}}s, character moment}}s, no letting the characters defuse the situation with five minutes of honest discussion, etc. Furthermore, if one believes IJustWriteTheThing to be true, the author's control is even more limited.
24th Mar '17 2:57:02 PM Landis
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*** [[ThePaladin Knights of the Cross]] have limits too. When they face the powers of darkness, {{Contrived Coincidence}}s tend to fall into their laps, like Michael not willing to leave his children alone after learning a demon is going after his wife while she is out of the house, and his priest just happened to be driving by on the street over and now has car trouble. He just happened to come when Michael needs help. That said, if a mortal ''chooses'' a fate, like making a deal with a demon or fae and the "evil" side has honored it or the person is walking into danger without being cautious, the Knight is less likely to gain any sort of boosts or protections if they try to help that person.

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*** [[ThePaladin Knights of the Cross]] have limits too. When they face the powers of darkness, {{Contrived Coincidence}}s tend to fall into their laps, like Michael not willing to leave his children alone after learning a demon is going after his wife while she is out of the house, and his priest just happened to be driving by on the street over and now has car trouble. He just happened to come when Michael needs help.help ("You need a babysitter [[NoodleIncident again]], don't you?"). That said, if a mortal ''chooses'' a fate, like making a deal with a demon or fae and the "evil" side has honored it or the person is walking into danger without being cautious, the Knight is less likely to gain any sort of boosts or protections if they try to help that person.
17th Mar '17 11:46:15 AM FordPrefect
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# The god has a divine plan beyond [[TheOmniscient the comprehension of the heroes]], and intervening at the wrong time could ruin everything [[InMysteriousWays its been working so long and hard for to achieve]].
# The deity is so [[RealityWarper insanely powerful]], that for them to merely interact with the cosmos to purge the threat could unravel the fabric of reality and destroy everything.

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# The god has a divine plan beyond [[TheOmniscient the comprehension of the heroes]], and intervening at the wrong time could ruin everything [[InMysteriousWays its it's been working so long and hard for to achieve]].
# The deity is so [[RealityWarper insanely powerful]], powerful]] that for them to merely interact with the cosmos to purge the threat could unravel the fabric of reality and destroy everything.
16th Mar '17 7:41:46 PM TheRoguePenguin
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** Beerus and Whis go to some lengths to stretch the rules when Goku Black shows up from the future, but even then they admit they cannot outright solve the problem for the main cast, and Beerus goes so far as to criticize Goku for relying too much on him. Whis also explains that angels like himself are forbidden from interfering except as it relates to their God of Destruction.
10th Mar '17 9:12:26 PM Fireblood
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* One possible answer to the ancient question why God allows evil to exist, even though he would have the power to stop it. Even if he wanted to, it could interfere with a greater plan beyond the scope of a human life time.

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* One possible answer to the ancient question why God allows evil to exist, even though he would have the power to stop it. Even if he wanted to, it could interfere with a greater plan beyond the scope of a human life time. Another is that, as above, it would violate free will. Of course, there are also many other explanations (and counterarguments to them).
10th Mar '17 9:08:45 PM Fireblood
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# The deity in question is [[GodIsGood a benevolent God]]. It can do anything ''except interfere with free will''; this includes the villain's free will as well. Alternitavely, the god ''[[TheOmnipotent can interfere with free will]]'', but it doesn't because that would ''negate'' the purpose of free will in the first place. It doesn't want a creation filled with puppets, and thus interfering defeats the objective.

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# The deity in question is [[GodIsGood a benevolent God]]. It can do anything ''except interfere with free will''; this includes the villain's free will as well. Alternitavely, Alternatively, the god ''[[TheOmnipotent can interfere with free will]]'', but it doesn't because that would ''negate'' the purpose of free will in the first place. It doesn't want a creation filled with puppets, and thus interfering defeats the objective.
11th Feb '17 7:46:15 PM Darth_Marth
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** ''Mists of Pandaria'' reveals the Titans actually did just straight up kill Y'Shaarj, the most powerful of the Old Gods who had infested Azeroth. However, even this was not enough to completely get rid of him, and Y'Shaarj's influence stuck around in the forms of the Sha and the Black Heart of Y'Shaarj (the latter of which is implied to contain Y'Shaarj's actual consciousness). Permanently killing the Old Gods is simply not possible, at least not without obliterating Azeroth along with them. This is why the Titans decided to imprison the other Old Gods instead (with certain [[EarthShatteringKaboom safeguards]] set in place should the Old Gods ever manage to corrupt Azeroth anyway).
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