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5th Nov '17 3:38:51 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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God may later try to claim "IMeantToDoThat!", explaining the whole thing away as a GambitRoulette justified by their OmniscientMoralityLicense, and that ObfuscatingStupidity is all part of their master plan... but unless the ending explodes in a hail of [[ChekhovsGun Chekhov's gunfire]], especially if accompanied by a prearranged divine AssPull of divine might, that explanation just never seems very convincing. As a rule of thumb, if a person can, in retrospect, work out how the plan was set up in advance, and some previously arranged coincidences unravel into karmically appropriate boons before the end, it was probably a divine {{plan}}. Otherwise, it's probably just bumbling.

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God may later try to claim "IMeantToDoThat!", explaining the whole thing away as a GambitRoulette justified by their OmniscientMoralityLicense, and that ObfuscatingStupidity is all part of their [[InMysteriousWays master plan...plan]]... but unless the ending explodes in a hail of [[ChekhovsGun Chekhov's gunfire]], especially if accompanied by a prearranged divine AssPull of divine might, that explanation just never seems very convincing. As a rule of thumb, if a person can, in retrospect, work out how the plan was set up in advance, and some previously arranged coincidences unravel into karmically appropriate boons before the end, it was probably a divine {{plan}}. Otherwise, it's probably just bumbling.
23rd Sep '17 12:55:44 PM nombretomado
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* "Better Off Dead" by BadReligion is told from the perspective of God, and basically consists of him apologizing for screwing up the world so bad.

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* "Better Off Dead" by BadReligion Music/BadReligion is told from the perspective of God, and basically consists of him apologizing for screwing up the world so bad.
22nd Sep '17 12:17:28 AM shawnvw
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* A commercial begins with the opening scene of Film/Armageddon where dozens of meteors are tearing through New York City. The camera pans up the skyline, through the clouds, up into heaven - and it turns out God was trying to squirt mustard onto a hot dog and missing his plate.

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* A commercial begins with the opening scene of Film/Armageddon where dozens of meteors are tearing through New York City. The camera pans up the skyline, through the clouds, up into heaven - and it turns out God was trying to squirt mustard Tabasco sauce onto a hot dog and missing his plate.
** The director of the commercial originally claimed that the bearded deity wasn't "God", but some clumsy generic deity. This probably didn't appease the audience offended by the portrayal, because in later airings the character's throne is labeled "Zeus".
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20th Sep '17 2:38:51 PM TMB
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*A commercial begins with the opening scene of Film/Armageddon where dozens of meteors are tearing through New York City. The camera pans up the skyline, through the clouds, up into heaven - and it turns out God was trying to squirt mustard onto a hot dog and missing his plate.
3rd Aug '17 8:44:40 AM BeerBaron
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*** In [[CatFolk Khajiiti]] religious tradition, S'rendarr (the Khajiiti aspect of Stendarr, the Aedric God of Mercy and Justice), gets hit with this. To them, he is a "runt" and "the weakest child" of Anhurr ([[GodOfGods Anu]]) and Fadomai ([[TheAntiGod Padomay]]). Khajiiti culture teaches [[CombatPragmatist Combat Pragmatism]] and [[LanguageEqualsThought has no word for "rules"]], so it makes sense that they would see a god of mercy and justice as weak.
30th Jul '17 2:48:28 PM StFan
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* Terminus, Hylia's twin sister/Terminian counterpart in the ''Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda'' fic ''[[FanFic/BoundDestiniesTrilogy Blood and Spirit]]''. While she means well, she's prone to making severe mistakes that have long-term consequences. For example, when Link is first [[TheCorruption corrupted by Majora]] Terminus makes him swear to keep it a secret from Zelda, not wanting to put Zelda through the same pain she went through when Majora corrupted her own hero; Majora subsequently forces Link to attack Zelda and nearly kill her, something that Terminus had [[IdiotBall stupidly failed to consider]]. When Zelda confronts her about it later, Terminus even acknowledges that it ''should'' have occurred to her, but it didn't.

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* Terminus, Hylia's twin sister/Terminian counterpart {{God}} in ''ComicStrip/TheFarSide''. One strip (which drew complaints) showed God as a child trying to make a chicken, with the ''Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda'' fic ''[[FanFic/BoundDestiniesTrilogy Blood and Spirit]]''. While she means well, she's prone to making severe mistakes that have long-term consequences. For example, when Link is first [[TheCorruption corrupted by Majora]] Terminus makes him swear to keep it a secret from Zelda, not wanting to put Zelda through experiment blowing up in his face. Another strip had God taking the same pain she went through when Majora corrupted her own hero; Majora subsequently forces Link to attack Zelda and nearly kill her, something that Terminus had [[IdiotBall stupidly failed to consider]]. When Zelda confronts her about it later, Terminus even acknowledges Earth out of the oven realizing too late that it ''should'' have occurred was only [[CrapsackWorld half-baked.]] Yet another one shows the rise of humanity as a total accident on God's part: he dropped a jar of humans on Earth and went [[OhCrap "Uh oh"]]. Another one portrayed as more of a JerkassGod instead; having finished cooking up Earth, he added a liberal seasoning of "Jerks" just to her, but make it didn't.interesting.



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* Terminus, Hylia's twin sister/Terminian counterpart in the ''Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda'' fic ''[[FanFic/BoundDestiniesTrilogy Blood and Spirit]]''. While she means well, she's prone to making severe mistakes that have long-term consequences. For example, when Link is first [[TheCorruption corrupted by Majora]] Terminus makes him swear to keep it a secret from Zelda, not wanting to put Zelda through the same pain she went through when Majora corrupted her own hero; Majora subsequently forces Link to attack Zelda and nearly kill her, something that Terminus had [[IdiotBall stupidly failed to consider]]. When Zelda confronts her about it later, Terminus even acknowledges that it ''should'' have occurred to her, but it didn't.
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* The film ''Film/TimeBandits'' deals heavily with the concept that The Supreme Being (God) made errors in his designs, both with individual items (which are listed occasionally) and with the universe in general.
** God was also assisted in his creation (which, for some reason, he was "forced" to complete in only seven days) by some greedy, inept dwarves rather than a council of angels. The dwarves then steal God's map that shows where all of the "holes" are in the fabric of the universe, and instead of using the map to ''fix'' the holes, decide to get rich by stealing stuff.
** Evil (Arthur G. Evil) rants about how God wasted his time creating garbage like all those species of slugs, instead of starting with lasers and other high tech.
** God (in the film) is also incapable of answering those questions people expect God to be able to answer, such as, "why does there have to be evil?" (His answer: "... I think it has something to do with free will?"[[note]]Which is, in a nutshell, the answer given by some of the greatest theologians and philosophers in history: without free will, there can be no such thing as morality, but free will also necessitates the ability to choose to do evil (however, this still does not explain natural evils such as cancer, etc. ). Many fans of ''TimeBandits'' argue that this movie actually subverts this trope: God is made to look absent-minded and inept, but one could certainly argue that [[ObfuscatingStupidity this is all a ruse]], and that everything that happens in the movie proceeds according to His [[JustAsPlanned design]]. After all, by leaving holes in spacetime at the Creation, and then giving the map of those holes to the bandits, then provoking them into running away, and then chasing them into the protagonist's bedroom, He arranges the destruction of [[BigBad Evil]].[[/note]]

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* The film ''Film/TimeBandits'' deals heavily with the concept that The Supreme Being (God) made errors in his designs, both with individual items (which are listed occasionally) and with the universe in general.
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general. God was also assisted in his creation (which, for some reason, he was "forced" to complete in only seven days) by some greedy, inept dwarves rather than a council of angels. The dwarves then steal God's map that shows where all of the "holes" are in the fabric of the universe, and instead of using the map to ''fix'' the holes, decide to get rich by stealing stuff.
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stuff. Evil (Arthur G. Evil) rants about how God wasted his time creating garbage like all those species of slugs, instead of starting with lasers and other high tech.
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tech. God (in the film) is also incapable of answering those questions people expect God to be able to answer, such as, "why does there have to be evil?" (His answer: "... I think it has something to do with free will?"[[note]]Which is, in a nutshell, the answer given by some of the greatest theologians and philosophers in history: without free will, there can be no such thing as morality, but free will also necessitates the ability to choose to do evil (however, this still does not explain natural evils such as cancer, etc. ). Many fans of ''TimeBandits'' ''Time Bandits'' argue that this movie actually subverts this trope: God is made to look absent-minded and inept, but one could certainly argue that [[ObfuscatingStupidity this is all a ruse]], and that everything that happens in the movie proceeds according to His [[JustAsPlanned design]]. After all, by leaving holes in spacetime at the Creation, and then giving the map of those holes to the bandits, then provoking them into running away, and then chasing them into the protagonist's bedroom, He arranges the destruction of [[BigBad Evil]].[[/note]]



-->Daryl: Do you think God knew what He was doing when He created woman? Huh? No shit. I really wanna know. Or do you think it was another one of His minor mistakes like tidal waves, earthquakes, FLOODS? You think women are like that? S'matter? You don't think God makes mistakes? Of course He does. We ALL make mistakes. Of course, when WE make mistakes they call it evil. When GOD makes mistakes, they call it "nature". So whaddya think? Women... a mistake, or did he do it to us ON PURPOSE?

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-->Daryl: -->'''Daryl:''' Do you think God knew what He was doing when He created woman? Huh? No shit. I really wanna know. Or do you think it was another one of His minor mistakes like tidal waves, earthquakes, FLOODS? You think women are like that? S'matter? You don't think God makes mistakes? Of course He does. We ALL make mistakes. Of course, when WE make mistakes they call it evil. When GOD makes mistakes, they call it "nature". So whaddya think? Women... a mistake, or did he do it to us ON PURPOSE?



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---> '''Picard:''' The universe is ''not'' so badly designed.

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* Originally in UsefulNotes/{{Gnosticism}} (that's where the word "Demiurge" came from: Dēmiourgos -- "public worker"). Many doctrines of it say something like "our world is made by someone pretty low in the Divine Ranks, not very skilled at this" -- explaining any problems of the world we know as consequences of a work botched from the start.\\
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* Originally in UsefulNotes/{{Gnosticism}} (that's where the word "Demiurge" came from: Dēmiourgos -- "public worker"). Many doctrines of it say something like "our world is made by someone pretty low in the Divine Ranks, not very skilled at this" -- explaining any problems of the world we know as consequences of a work botched from the start.\\
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* {{Voudoun}}: Bondye, the supreme creator god, is simply so far removed from the world that he either can't hear us, or just can't help us. Instead, people look to the Loa, other powerful beings, for help.
* In the Finnish mythology described in ''TheKalevala'' the creation of the world is described as an accident, the creator goddess Ilmatar accidentally letting a nestful of eggs fall from her knee (long story), cracking them in the process. The pieces of eggs then formed the the lands and skies. This is humorously commented in Petri Hiltunen's newspaper comic ''Väinämöisen paluu'' (''Väinämöinen Returns'') -- for the sake of context, Väinämöinen is Ilmatar's son:

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* {{Voudoun}}: UsefulNotes/{{Voudoun}}: Bondye, the supreme creator god, is simply so far removed from the world that he either can't hear us, or just can't help us. Instead, people look to the Loa, other powerful beings, for help.
* In the Finnish mythology described in ''TheKalevala'' ''Literature/TheKalevala'' the creation of the world is described as an accident, the creator goddess Ilmatar accidentally letting a nestful of eggs fall from her knee (long story), cracking them in the process. The pieces of eggs then formed the the lands and skies. This is humorously commented in Petri Hiltunen's newspaper comic ''Väinämöisen paluu'' (''Väinämöinen Returns'') -- for the sake of context, Väinämöinen is Ilmatar's son:



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* {{God}} in ''ComicStrip/TheFarSide''. One strip (which drew complaints) showed God as a child trying to make a chicken, with the experiment blowing up in his face. Another strip had God taking the Earth out of the oven realizing too late that it was only [[CrapsackWorld half-baked.]] Yet another one shows the rise of humanity as a total accident on God's part: he dropped a jar of humans on Earth and went [[OhCrap "Uh oh"]]. Another one portrayed as more of a JerkassGod instead; having finished cooking up Earth, he added a liberal seasoning of "Jerks" just to make it interesting.
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* ''TabletopGame/{{World Tree RPG}}'': The Khytsoyis. "I lost track of time, so I'm going to grab up a violent monster I was designing, one that was actually designed to work as a duo with another monster in fact, and make it my Designated Player Character Race!" One of the other gods in the setting took time out to help said god create another PC race which was more appropriate, but they didn't undo the original issue.
* ''TabletopGame/{{GURPS}} Cabal''. Before the Creation, God made a "first draft" of the universe as a test. He then destroyed it and remade it as the universe we know today. The [[EldritchAbomination Qlippoth]] are the remaining fragments of the 1st Creation. Their intent is to remake the universe over in their diseased, broken, toxic image.
** On the other hand, the Creator was actually thoughtful enough to clean up after himself-while he couldn't destroy the Qlippoth, he created a [[SealedEvilInACan "prison realm"]], the Abyss, to seal them and other Bad Things in. What's more, it's also a barrier between his realm and the rest of the [[LayeredWorld Four Worlds]], thus preventing all but the most wise and powerful from managing to AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence.

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* ''TabletopGame/{{World Tree RPG}}'': ''TabletopGame/WorldTreeRPG'': The Khytsoyis. "I lost track of time, so I'm going to grab up a violent monster I was designing, one that was actually designed to work as a duo with another monster in fact, and make it my Designated Player Character Race!" One of the other gods in the setting took time out to help said god create another PC race which was more appropriate, but they didn't undo the original issue.
* ''TabletopGame/{{GURPS}} Cabal''. Before the Creation, God made a "first draft" of the universe as a test. He then destroyed it and remade it as the universe we know today. The [[EldritchAbomination Qlippoth]] are the remaining fragments of the 1st Creation. Their intent is to remake the universe over in their diseased, broken, toxic image.
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image. On the other hand, the Creator was actually thoughtful enough to clean up after himself-while he couldn't destroy the Qlippoth, he created a [[SealedEvilInACan "prison realm"]], the Abyss, to seal them and other Bad Things in. What's more, it's also a barrier between his realm and the rest of the [[LayeredWorld Four Worlds]], thus preventing all but the most wise and powerful from managing to AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence.



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* [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII Etro]] certainly meant well. She loved humanity, the one and only thing she had ever been able to create, ([[DrivenToSuicide by tearing her own body apart]]), gave them all their souls and ruled as a [[DontFearTheReaper benevolent]] {{Shinigami}} styled goddess over Valhalla, the realm of the dead... However, she was also seemingly unable to realize the limits of her own abilities, appreciate the risks she was taking or see the consequences of her actions. Eventually this leads to her accidentally breaking reality and when she [[SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong tries to fix it again]], [[DeconstructedTrope the effort ultimately kills her]]. According to WordOfGod, Etro was a quite "foolish" goddess, but it's unclear if that meant she was intellectually impaired or just didn't have much in the way of common sense.

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* [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII Etro]] ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII'': Etro certainly meant well. She loved humanity, the one and only thing she had ever been able to create, ([[DrivenToSuicide by tearing her own body apart]]), gave them all their souls and ruled as a [[DontFearTheReaper benevolent]] {{Shinigami}} styled goddess over Valhalla, the realm of the dead... However, she was also seemingly unable to realize the limits of her own abilities, appreciate the risks she was taking or see the consequences of her actions. Eventually this leads to her accidentally breaking reality and when she [[SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong tries to fix it again]], [[DeconstructedTrope the effort ultimately kills her]]. According to WordOfGod, Etro was a quite "foolish" goddess, but it's unclear if that meant she was intellectually impaired or just didn't have much in the way of common sense.



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* In ''WebAnimation/IfTheEmperorHadATextToSpeechDevice'' when Decius tries to convince the other Ecclesiarchs that the Emperor of Mankind isn't a god he eventually resorts to insulting all the other gods and concluding that calling the Emperor a god is an insult to his glory.
-->''...[[https://youtu.be/Pq-6aj9sNvo?t=1m50s Nurgle: a supernatural garbage bag! Khorne: a paraplegic sociopath! Tzeentch: an indecisive mollusk! Slaanesh: never went to rehab]]!...''
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* ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'': The first attempt to create a universe was so spoiled by the arguments of the gods that they ended up creating [[ContinuitySnarl the Snarl]], which killed the Greco-Roman pantheon before they managed to lock it down. The lock? The ''second'' attempt at the universe. Said universe is an AnachronismStew because, to avoid creating another Snarl, the gods decided to take turns unilaterally adding design elements. The idea is based off Rich Burlew's whinings about D&D cosmology.
-->'''South God:''' OK, my turn? Ninjas.\\
'''North God:''' What? Hey, we all agreed on this medieval knights-and-wizards theme!\\
'''South God:''' So? It's my turn, my choice, I say: NINJA!\\
'''North God:''' …Fine.

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* ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'': The first attempt to create a universe was so spoiled by the arguments of the gods that they ended up creating [[ContinuitySnarl the Snarl]], which killed the Greco-Roman pantheon before they managed to lock it down. The lock? The ''second'' attempt at the universe. Said universe is an AnachronismStew because, to avoid creating another Snarl, the gods decided to take turns unilaterally adding design elements. The idea is based off Rich Burlew's whinings about D&D ''D&D'' cosmology.
-->'''South God:''' -->'''Monkey:''' OK, my turn? Ninjas.\\
'''North God:''' '''Freya:''' What? Hey, we all agreed on this medieval knights-and-wizards theme!\\
'''South God:''' '''Monkey:''' So? It's my turn, my choice, I say: NINJA!\\
'''North God:''' …Fine.'''Freya:''' ...Fine.



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* In ''WebAnimation/IfTheEmperorHadATextToSpeechDevice'' when Decius tries to convince the other Ecclesiarchs that the Emperor of Mankind isn't a god he eventually resorts to insulting all the other gods and concluding that calling the Emperor a god is an insult to his glory.
-->''...[[https://youtu.be/Pq-6aj9sNvo?t=1m50s Nurgle: a supernatural garbage bag! Khorne: a paraplegic sociopath! Tzeentch: an indecisive mollusk! Slaanesh: never went to rehab]]!...''



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* The philosopher David Hume, in his ''Dialogues Concerning Natural Religion'', wrote: "The world is perhaps the rudimentary sketch of a childish god, who left it half done, ashamed by his deficient work; it is created by a subordinate god, at whom the superior gods laugh; it is the confused production of a decrepit and retiring divinity, who has already died."\\
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He was not proposing the hypothesis seriously, but using it as a parody of theological arguments that tried to prove the perfection of God from the perfection of the natural world. However, some philosophers took this theory seriously.

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* The philosopher David Hume, in his ''Dialogues Concerning Natural Religion'', wrote: "The world is perhaps the rudimentary sketch of a childish god, who left it half done, ashamed by his deficient work; it is created by a subordinate god, at whom the superior gods laugh; it is the confused production of a decrepit and retiring divinity, who has already died."\\
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" He was not proposing the hypothesis seriously, but using it as a parody of theological arguments that tried to prove the perfection of God from the perfection of the natural world. However, some philosophers took this theory seriously.



28th Jul '17 8:49:21 AM BeerBaron
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* In ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'' series, this is the opinion of most of the [[OurElvesAreBetter races of Mer (Elves)]], especially the Altmer, toward Lorkhan. Lorkhan is one of the et'Ada ("original spirits") who tricked/convinced some of the other et'Ada (who would become known as the [[OurGodsAreDifferent Aedra]]) into sacrificing large portions of their power to create Mundus, the mortal plane. The races of Mer generally see this as an act of malevolence which robbed the pre-creation spirits of their divinity and forced them to experience mortal loss and suffering. The Altmer think of him as a "limit", and by "tricking" the Aedra into sacrificing large portions of their power to create Mundus, he imposed a limit upon them as well.

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is the opinion of most of the [[OurElvesAreBetter races of Mer (Elves)]], especially the Altmer, toward Lorkhan. Lorkhan is one of the et'Ada ("original spirits") who tricked/convinced some of the other et'Ada (who would become known as the [[OurGodsAreDifferent Aedra]]) into sacrificing large portions of their power to create Mundus, the mortal plane. The races of Mer generally see this as an act of malevolence which robbed the pre-creation spirits of their divinity and forced them to experience mortal loss and suffering. The Altmer think of him as a "limit", and by "tricking" the Aedra into sacrificing large portions of their power to create Mundus, he imposed a limit upon them as well.well.
** Due to their sacrifices during creation, the Aedra have been left significantly weakened and no longer possess CompleteImmortality. While they are still recognized and often worshiped throughout Tamriel, many, especially Daedra worshipers, consider them either inept, [[TheGodsMustBeLazy lazy]], [[HaveYouSeenMyGod nonexistent]], or some combination thereof. The Aedra prefer [[InMysteriousWays a lighter touch]] when influencing mortal affairs, at most [[MissionFromGod acting through mortal agents]]. The rare instances in which they have [[DivineIntervention intervened directly]] have typically been [[GodzillaThreshold as the last resort]] to stave off TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt.
27th Jul '17 7:02:11 AM BeerBaron
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* In ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'' series, this is the opinion of most of the [[OurElvesAreBetter races of Mer (Elves)]], especially the Altmer, toward Lorkhan. Lorkhan is one of the et'Ada ("original spirits") who tricked/convinced some of the other et'Ada (who would become known as the [[OurGodsAreDifferent Aedra]]) into sacrificing large portions of their power to create Mundus, the mortal plane. The races of Mer generally see this as an act of malevolence which robbed the pre-creation spirits of their divinity and forced them to experience mortal loss and suffering. The Altmer think of him as a "limit", and by "tricking" the Aedra into sacrificing large portions of their power to create Mundus, he imposed a limit upon them as well.
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* ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsV'': [[spoiler: [[Anime/TheBraveExpressMightGaine Black Noir]] is as powerful and manipulative as it was in the original series, but consistently failed to succeed at any of its plans. [[Anime/SpaceBattleshipYamato2199 Sanada]] theorizes that this is because of a cause-and-effect-based psychological reaction that having a god or god-like being would invoke.]]
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