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13th Jun '16 7:31:54 PM Fireblood
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* The argument from poor design argues against an omnipotent God based on the basis of nature's various perceived flaws. It leaves open the idea God is simply incompetent though.

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* The argument from poor design argues against an omnipotent God based on the basis of nature's various perceived flaws. It leaves open the idea A possibility is that God is simply isn't all-powerful but incompetent though.
13th Jun '16 7:30:57 PM Fireblood
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** God (in the film) is also incapable of answering those questions people expect God to be able to answer, such as, "why does there have to be evil?" (His answer: "... I think it has something to do with free will?"[[note]]Which is, in a nutshell, the answer given by some of the greatest theologians and philosophers in history: without free will, there can be no such thing as morality, but free will also necessitates the ability to choose to do evil. Many fans of ''TimeBandits'' argue that this movie actually subverts this trope: God is made to look absent-minded and inept, but one could certainly argue that [[ObfuscatingStupidity this is all a ruse]], and that everything that happens in the movie proceeds according to His [[JustAsPlanned design]]. After all, by leaving holes in spacetime at the Creation, and then giving the map of those holes to the bandits, then provoking them into running away, and then chasing them into the protagonist's bedroom, He arranges the destruction of [[BigBad Evil]].[[/note]]

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** God (in the film) is also incapable of answering those questions people expect God to be able to answer, such as, "why does there have to be evil?" (His answer: "... I think it has something to do with free will?"[[note]]Which is, in a nutshell, the answer given by some of the greatest theologians and philosophers in history: without free will, there can be no such thing as morality, but free will also necessitates the ability to choose to do evil.evil (however, this still does not explain natural evils such as cancer, etc.). Many fans of ''TimeBandits'' argue that this movie actually subverts this trope: God is made to look absent-minded and inept, but one could certainly argue that [[ObfuscatingStupidity this is all a ruse]], and that everything that happens in the movie proceeds according to His [[JustAsPlanned design]]. After all, by leaving holes in spacetime at the Creation, and then giving the map of those holes to the bandits, then provoking them into running away, and then chasing them into the protagonist's bedroom, He arranges the destruction of [[BigBad Evil]].[[/note]]



---> '''Picard:''' The universe is ''not'' that badly designed.
* There's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuMfEAp31HE a sketch]] from ''Series/ThatMitchellAndWebbLook'' which reinterprets a certain biblical story, portraying God as a doddering old fool who doesn't really know what he's doing and keeps second-guessing himself, which isn't helped by the the gawping mortals who think everything and anything he does is a great idea.

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---> '''Picard:''' The universe is ''not'' that so badly designed.
* There's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuMfEAp31HE a sketch]] sketch from ''Series/ThatMitchellAndWebbLook'' which reinterprets a certain biblical story, portraying God as a doddering old fool who doesn't really know what he's doing and keeps second-guessing himself, which isn't helped by the the gawping mortals who think everything and anything he does is a great idea.



** The ineptest Greek god may be Epimetheus ("afterthought"), literally the deity or AnthropomorphicPersonification of realizing too late that you screwed up. One myth (or possibly allegory) recorded by Plato explains the creation of humans and animals like this: Zeus (who didn't think this through either?) assigns Epimetheus and his much more intelligent brother Prometheus ("forethought") to create animals and humans. Prometheus gets the more important job (humans) and takes his time making sure the basic design is sound. By the time he's ready to give humans some of the gifts which Zeus had made available, he finds that Epimetheus has already used up every last one of them on a bazillion [[ArtisticLicenseBiology shoddily-thrown-together]] animals. There's nothing left for humans, leaving us [[ScienceMarchesOn no useful adaptations at all]]. Prometheus then has to steal fire just for humans to survive. And Zeus punishes ''him'' instead of his brother!

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** The ineptest most inept Greek god may be Epimetheus ("afterthought"), literally the deity or AnthropomorphicPersonification of realizing too late that you screwed up. One myth (or possibly allegory) recorded by Plato explains the creation of humans and animals like this: Zeus (who didn't think this through either?) assigns Epimetheus and his much more intelligent brother Prometheus ("forethought") to create animals and humans. Prometheus gets the more important job (humans) and takes his time making sure the basic design is sound. By the time he's ready to give humans some of the gifts which Zeus had made available, he finds that Epimetheus has already used up every last one of them on a bazillion [[ArtisticLicenseBiology shoddily-thrown-together]] animals. There's nothing left for humans, leaving us [[ScienceMarchesOn no useful adaptations at all]]. Prometheus then has to steal fire just for humans to survive. And Zeus punishes ''him'' instead of his brother!brother! You'd think that the [[ForgotAboutHisPowers god of forethought]] would have foreseen that...



** The Abrahamic God appears to be closer to this at times in Literature/TheBible, especially in early writings. After all, the Garden of Eden had been around for all of about five minutes before Adam and Eve screwed it up. You'd have thought that maybe God could have fenced off the original ForbiddenFruit, or taken at least the most basic precaution to ensure that his newest creation [[FridgeLogic (who didn't know the difference between right and wrong)]] wouldn't take the one action that would ruin everything.
** There's a well known passage in Judges (Judges 1:19) where God was unable to help Judah triumph over 'the inhabitants of the valley' because they had 'chariots of iron'.
* Originally in UsefulNotes/{{Gnosticism}} (that's where the word "Demiurge" came from: Dēmiourgos -- "public worker"). Many doctrines of it tell something like "our world is made by someone pretty low in Divine Ranks, not very skilled at this" -- explaining any problems of the world we know as consequences of a work botched from the start.\\

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** The Abrahamic God appears to be closer to this at times in Literature/TheBible, especially in early writings. After all, the Garden of Eden had been around for all of about five minutes before Adam and Eve screwed it up. You'd have thought that maybe God could have fenced off the original ForbiddenFruit, or taken at least the most basic precaution to ensure that his newest creation [[FridgeLogic (who didn't know the difference between right and wrong)]] wouldn't take the one action that would ruin everything.
everything. Or perhaps just not put it there to being with.
** There's a well known well-known passage in Judges (Judges 1:19) where God was unable to help Judah triumph over 'the inhabitants of the valley' because they had 'chariots of iron'.
* Originally in UsefulNotes/{{Gnosticism}} (that's where the word "Demiurge" came from: Dēmiourgos -- "public worker"). Many doctrines of it tell say something like "our world is made by someone pretty low in the Divine Ranks, not very skilled at this" -- explaining any problems of the world we know as consequences of a work botched from the start.\\



* The argument from poor design argues against an omnipotent God based on the basis of nature's various perceived flaws. It leaves open the idea God is simply incompetent though.



* Astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson has stated that the basic hostility of the universe to the human species is why he refuses to accept the Intelligent Design Theory as true, because no supposed "intelligent" designer would have made such a sucky, dangerous, lethal world for human beings to live in.

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* Astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson has stated that the basic hostility of the universe to the human species is why he refuses to accept the Intelligent Design Theory as true, because no supposed "intelligent" designer would have made such a sucky, dangerous, lethal world for human beings to live in. Others have made similar criticisms.
10th May '16 9:55:19 PM TheWanderer
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Essentially, applying the HanlonsRazor approach to GodIsEvil. In other words, GodIsGood but incompetent.

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Essentially, applying the HanlonsRazor approach to GodIsEvil. In other words, GodIsGood but incompetent.incompetent, possibly even a CluelessBoss.
11th Mar '16 5:41:06 PM GrammarNavi
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* There's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuMfEAp31HE a sketch]] from ThatMitchellAndWebbLook which reinterprets a certain biblical story, portraying God as a doddering old fool who doesn't really know what he's doing and keeps second-guessing himself, which isn't helped by the the gawping mortals who think everything and anything he does is a great idea.

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* There's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuMfEAp31HE a sketch]] from ThatMitchellAndWebbLook ''Series/ThatMitchellAndWebbLook'' which reinterprets a certain biblical story, portraying God as a doddering old fool who doesn't really know what he's doing and keeps second-guessing himself, which isn't helped by the the gawping mortals who think everything and anything he does is a great idea.
7th Mar '16 9:59:32 AM LizardOfAus
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* There's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuMfEAp31HE a sketch]] from ThatMitchellAndWebbLook which reinterprets a certain biblical story, portraying God as a doddering old fool who doesn't really know what he's doing and keeps second-guessing himself, which isn't helped by the the gawping mortals who think everything and anything he does is a great idea.
16th Feb '16 12:04:06 PM erforce
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* In ''{{Dogma}}'' God seems rather inept.

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* In ''{{Dogma}}'' ''Film/{{Dogma}}'', God seems rather inept.




* The film ''TimeBandits'' deals heavily with the concept that The Supreme Being (God) made errors in his designs, both with individual items (which are listed occasionally) and with the universe in general.

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\n* The film ''TimeBandits'' ''Film/TimeBandits'' deals heavily with the concept that The Supreme Being (God) made errors in his designs, both with individual items (which are listed occasionally) and with the universe in general.



* Daryl Van Horne (JackNicholson)'s rant in ''TheWitchesOfEastwick'' (but note he's supposed to be {{Satan}}).

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* Daryl Van Horne (JackNicholson)'s rant in ''TheWitchesOfEastwick'' ''Film/TheWitchesOfEastwick'' (but note he's supposed to be {{Satan}}).
10th Dec '15 11:36:22 AM danime91
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*** The fact that it's Metatron who says this already brings into question how much research was put into writing Dogma, since apocryphally, Metatron is Enoch, a ''descendant'' of Adam.
14th Oct '15 9:52:02 AM ChaoticNovelist
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God may later claim that it was just a GambitRoulette justified by their OmniscientMoralityLicense, and that ObfuscatingStupidity is all part of their master plan... but unless the ending explodes in a hail of [[ChekhovsGun Chekhov's gunfire]], especially if accompanied by a prearranged divine AssPull of divine might, that explanation just never seems very convincing, somehow. As a rule of thumb, if a person can, in retrospect, work out how the plan was set up in advance, and some previously arranged coincidences unravel into karmically appropriate boons before the end, it was probably a divine {{plan}}. Otherwise, it's probably just bumbling.

Essentially, applying the HanlonsRazor approach to GodIsEvil.

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God may later claim that it was just a GambitRoulette justified by their OmniscientMoralityLicense, and that ObfuscatingStupidity is all part of their master plan... but unless the ending explodes in a hail of [[ChekhovsGun Chekhov's gunfire]], especially if accompanied by a prearranged divine AssPull of divine might, that explanation just never seems very convincing, somehow.convincing. As a rule of thumb, if a person can, in retrospect, work out how the plan was set up in advance, and some previously arranged coincidences unravel into karmically appropriate boons before the end, it was probably a divine {{plan}}. Otherwise, it's probably just bumbling.

Essentially, applying the HanlonsRazor approach to GodIsEvil.
GodIsEvil. In other words, GodIsGood but incompetent.



* [[WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids Believe it or not]], there is a {{Manga/Doraemon}} [[TheMovie feature film]] where Nobita plays God, as in there is a gadget that creates world starting from the big bang, which is intended for research. It turns out that Nobita is not very good in his God-job, and the human-equivalent of his cosmos live distressing life. [[spoiler:Just as things are about to go out out of hands, it's revealed that ''Nobita's'' own cosmos is [[RecursiveReality also a research project]] by a God-like entity, and the entity offer Nobita a win-win solution for everyone]]. [[CosmicHorrorStory The implications make for a sleepless night, or seven]].

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* [[WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids Believe it or not]], there is a {{Manga/Doraemon}} {{Manga/Doraemon}}: [[TheMovie The feature film]] has a plot where Nobita plays God, as in there is a gadget that creates world starting from the big bang, which is intended for research. It turns out that Nobita is not very good in his God-job, and the human-equivalent of his cosmos live distressing life. [[spoiler:Just as things are about to go out out of hands, it's revealed that ''Nobita's'' own cosmos is [[RecursiveReality also a research project]] by a God-like entity, and the entity offer Nobita a win-win solution for everyone]]. [[CosmicHorrorStory The implications make for a sleepless night, or seven]].
13th Aug '15 12:46:53 AM narm00
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* ''Webcomic/{{Misfile}}'''s filing system, in combination with its CelestialBureaucracy, has at times been viewed as this.
** Then agians seeingf as the titular Misfile lead to one of the lead's life improving and the save the others life, (she would have been killed if she hadn't lost two years of her life), this might be a case of InMysteriousWays.
* ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'': The first attempt to create a universe was so spoiled by the arguments of the gods that they ended up creating [[ContinuitySnarl the Snarl]], which killed the Greco-Roman pantheon before they managed to lock it down. The lock? The ''second'' attempt at the universe. Said universe is an AnachronismStew because, to avoid creating another Snarl, the gods decided to take turns unilaterally adding design elements. The idea is based off Rich Burlew's whinings about D&D cosmology.
-->'''South God:''' OK, my turn? Ninjas.\\
'''North God:''' What? Hey, we all agreed on this medieval knights-and-wizards theme!\\
'''South God:''' So? It's my turn, my choice, I say: NINJA!\\
'''North God:''' …Fine.
* ''WebVideo/MrDeity'' is frequently called out for allowing bad things that he could easily have stopped, using needlessly overcomplicated schemes for no good reason, or not thinking his plans through. He generally has some kind of non-sequitur reason why this is for the best, but none of the other characters believe him.
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** On the other hand, the Creator was actually thoughtful enough to clean up after himself-while he couldn't destroy the Qlippoth, he created a [[SealedEvilInACan "prison realm"]], the Abyss, to seal them and other Bad Things in. What's more, it's also a barrier between his realm and the rest of the [[LayeredWorld Four Worlds]], thus prevented all but the most wise and powerful from managing to AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence.

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** On the other hand, the Creator was actually thoughtful enough to clean up after himself-while he couldn't destroy the Qlippoth, he created a [[SealedEvilInACan "prison realm"]], the Abyss, to seal them and other Bad Things in. What's more, it's also a barrier between his realm and the rest of the [[LayeredWorld Four Worlds]], thus prevented preventing all but the most wise and powerful from managing to AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence.


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[[folder: Web Original ]]
* ''Webcomic/{{Misfile}}'''s filing system, in combination with its CelestialBureaucracy, has at times been viewed as this.
** Then again, seeing as the titular Misfile lead to one of the protagonists' life improving and the other's life being saved (she would have been killed if she hadn't lost two years of her life), this might be a case of InMysteriousWays.
* ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'': The first attempt to create a universe was so spoiled by the arguments of the gods that they ended up creating [[ContinuitySnarl the Snarl]], which killed the Greco-Roman pantheon before they managed to lock it down. The lock? The ''second'' attempt at the universe. Said universe is an AnachronismStew because, to avoid creating another Snarl, the gods decided to take turns unilaterally adding design elements. The idea is based off Rich Burlew's whinings about D&D cosmology.
-->'''South God:''' OK, my turn? Ninjas.\\
'''North God:''' What? Hey, we all agreed on this medieval knights-and-wizards theme!\\
'''South God:''' So? It's my turn, my choice, I say: NINJA!\\
'''North God:''' …Fine.
* ''WebVideo/MrDeity'' is frequently called out for allowing bad things that he could easily have stopped, using needlessly overcomplicated schemes for no good reason, or not thinking his plans through. He generally has some kind of non-sequitur reason why this is for the best, but none of the other characters believe him.
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26th Jul '15 6:11:16 AM FKJ10
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* Creator/TomHolt's ''HereComesTheSun'' features a CelestialBureaucracy and a very hands-off God, and says that the world went wrong very early on due to the incompetence of one of the bureaucracy's employees. The heroine thinks she could have done better, and gets a chance to prove it.

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* Creator/TomHolt's ''HereComesTheSun'' ''Here Comes The Sun'' features a CelestialBureaucracy and a very hands-off God, and says that the world went wrong very early on due to the incompetence of one of the bureaucracy's employees. The heroine thinks she could have done better, and gets a chance to prove it.
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