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13th Aug '16 5:31:28 PM nombretomado
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* {{Discworld}}:
** [[Literature/{{Discworld}} Sam Vimes]] has been described as wishing he could arrest the Creator for doing such a crummy job.
*** However, when the Creator actually turns up in Eric, he turns out to be a quite nice (if EXTREMELY absent-minded, to the extent that he really did accidentally forget the Octavo) fellow who was just trying to build the thing to spec and on-budget for the initial set of Gods. He even complains about the lousy workmanship other Creators are doing, and the habit of sub-contracting to beings who never get the work done on time.

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* {{Discworld}}:
Literature/{{Discworld}}:
** [[Literature/{{Discworld}} Sam Vimes]] Vimes has been described as wishing he could arrest the Creator for doing such a crummy job.
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job. However, when the Creator actually turns up in Eric, ''Discworld/{{Eric}}'', he turns out to be a quite nice (if EXTREMELY absent-minded, to the extent that he really did accidentally forget the Octavo) fellow who was just trying to build the thing to spec and on-budget for the initial set of Gods. He even complains about the lousy workmanship other Creators are doing, and the habit of sub-contracting to beings who never get the work done on time.
29th Jun '16 6:51:02 PM Doug86
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* One of the ''VideoGame/{{Myst}}'' novels contained one of these, an island in a universe in a book which was slowly shrinking and disintegrating due to a thermodynamics problem inherent in it's design.

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* One of the ''VideoGame/{{Myst}}'' novels contained one of these, an island in a universe in a book which was slowly shrinking and disintegrating due to a thermodynamics problem inherent in it's its design.



* Arguably, the ''YoungWizards'' series presents an example; the [[{{Satan}} Lone Power]] managed to implement the physical processes that would lead to the eventual heat-death of the universe, and by the time any of the other Powers That Be noticed, it was too late to reverse the damage without scrapping creation and starting over, which they didn't have the resources for. This leads to the Powers, and the mortal wizards who serve them, running damage control for all of time.

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* Arguably, the ''YoungWizards'' ''Literature/YoungWizards'' series presents an example; the [[{{Satan}} Lone Power]] managed to implement the physical processes that would lead to the eventual heat-death of the universe, and by the time any of the other Powers That Be noticed, it was too late to reverse the damage without scrapping creation and starting over, which they didn't have the resources for. This leads to the Powers, and the mortal wizards who serve them, running damage control for all of time.
26th Jun '16 5:27:14 PM TheAmazingBlachman
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God may later claim that it was just a GambitRoulette justified by their OmniscientMoralityLicense, and that ObfuscatingStupidity is all part of their master plan... but unless the ending explodes in a hail of [[ChekhovsGun Chekhov's gunfire]], especially if accompanied by a prearranged divine AssPull of divine might, that explanation just never seems very convincing. As a rule of thumb, if a person can, in retrospect, work out how the plan was set up in advance, and some previously arranged coincidences unravel into karmically appropriate boons before the end, it was probably a divine {{plan}}. Otherwise, it's probably just bumbling.

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God may later try to claim that it was just "IMeantToDoThat!" Explaining the whole thing away as a GambitRoulette justified by their OmniscientMoralityLicense, and that ObfuscatingStupidity is all part of their master plan... but unless the ending explodes in a hail of [[ChekhovsGun Chekhov's gunfire]], especially if accompanied by a prearranged divine AssPull of divine might, that explanation just never seems very convincing. As a rule of thumb, if a person can, in retrospect, work out how the plan was set up in advance, and some previously arranged coincidences unravel into karmically appropriate boons before the end, it was probably a divine {{plan}}. Otherwise, it's probably just bumbling.
13th Jun '16 7:31:54 PM Fireblood
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* The argument from poor design argues against an omnipotent God based on the basis of nature's various perceived flaws. It leaves open the idea God is simply incompetent though.

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* The argument from poor design argues against an omnipotent God based on the basis of nature's various perceived flaws. It leaves open the idea A possibility is that God is simply isn't all-powerful but incompetent though.
13th Jun '16 7:30:57 PM Fireblood
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** God (in the film) is also incapable of answering those questions people expect God to be able to answer, such as, "why does there have to be evil?" (His answer: "... I think it has something to do with free will?"[[note]]Which is, in a nutshell, the answer given by some of the greatest theologians and philosophers in history: without free will, there can be no such thing as morality, but free will also necessitates the ability to choose to do evil. Many fans of ''TimeBandits'' argue that this movie actually subverts this trope: God is made to look absent-minded and inept, but one could certainly argue that [[ObfuscatingStupidity this is all a ruse]], and that everything that happens in the movie proceeds according to His [[JustAsPlanned design]]. After all, by leaving holes in spacetime at the Creation, and then giving the map of those holes to the bandits, then provoking them into running away, and then chasing them into the protagonist's bedroom, He arranges the destruction of [[BigBad Evil]].[[/note]]

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** God (in the film) is also incapable of answering those questions people expect God to be able to answer, such as, "why does there have to be evil?" (His answer: "... I think it has something to do with free will?"[[note]]Which is, in a nutshell, the answer given by some of the greatest theologians and philosophers in history: without free will, there can be no such thing as morality, but free will also necessitates the ability to choose to do evil.evil (however, this still does not explain natural evils such as cancer, etc.). Many fans of ''TimeBandits'' argue that this movie actually subverts this trope: God is made to look absent-minded and inept, but one could certainly argue that [[ObfuscatingStupidity this is all a ruse]], and that everything that happens in the movie proceeds according to His [[JustAsPlanned design]]. After all, by leaving holes in spacetime at the Creation, and then giving the map of those holes to the bandits, then provoking them into running away, and then chasing them into the protagonist's bedroom, He arranges the destruction of [[BigBad Evil]].[[/note]]



---> '''Picard:''' The universe is ''not'' that badly designed.
* There's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuMfEAp31HE a sketch]] from ''Series/ThatMitchellAndWebbLook'' which reinterprets a certain biblical story, portraying God as a doddering old fool who doesn't really know what he's doing and keeps second-guessing himself, which isn't helped by the the gawping mortals who think everything and anything he does is a great idea.

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---> '''Picard:''' The universe is ''not'' that so badly designed.
* There's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuMfEAp31HE a sketch]] sketch from ''Series/ThatMitchellAndWebbLook'' which reinterprets a certain biblical story, portraying God as a doddering old fool who doesn't really know what he's doing and keeps second-guessing himself, which isn't helped by the the gawping mortals who think everything and anything he does is a great idea.



** The ineptest Greek god may be Epimetheus ("afterthought"), literally the deity or AnthropomorphicPersonification of realizing too late that you screwed up. One myth (or possibly allegory) recorded by Plato explains the creation of humans and animals like this: Zeus (who didn't think this through either?) assigns Epimetheus and his much more intelligent brother Prometheus ("forethought") to create animals and humans. Prometheus gets the more important job (humans) and takes his time making sure the basic design is sound. By the time he's ready to give humans some of the gifts which Zeus had made available, he finds that Epimetheus has already used up every last one of them on a bazillion [[ArtisticLicenseBiology shoddily-thrown-together]] animals. There's nothing left for humans, leaving us [[ScienceMarchesOn no useful adaptations at all]]. Prometheus then has to steal fire just for humans to survive. And Zeus punishes ''him'' instead of his brother!

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** The ineptest most inept Greek god may be Epimetheus ("afterthought"), literally the deity or AnthropomorphicPersonification of realizing too late that you screwed up. One myth (or possibly allegory) recorded by Plato explains the creation of humans and animals like this: Zeus (who didn't think this through either?) assigns Epimetheus and his much more intelligent brother Prometheus ("forethought") to create animals and humans. Prometheus gets the more important job (humans) and takes his time making sure the basic design is sound. By the time he's ready to give humans some of the gifts which Zeus had made available, he finds that Epimetheus has already used up every last one of them on a bazillion [[ArtisticLicenseBiology shoddily-thrown-together]] animals. There's nothing left for humans, leaving us [[ScienceMarchesOn no useful adaptations at all]]. Prometheus then has to steal fire just for humans to survive. And Zeus punishes ''him'' instead of his brother!brother! You'd think that the [[ForgotAboutHisPowers god of forethought]] would have foreseen that...



** The Abrahamic God appears to be closer to this at times in Literature/TheBible, especially in early writings. After all, the Garden of Eden had been around for all of about five minutes before Adam and Eve screwed it up. You'd have thought that maybe God could have fenced off the original ForbiddenFruit, or taken at least the most basic precaution to ensure that his newest creation [[FridgeLogic (who didn't know the difference between right and wrong)]] wouldn't take the one action that would ruin everything.
** There's a well known passage in Judges (Judges 1:19) where God was unable to help Judah triumph over 'the inhabitants of the valley' because they had 'chariots of iron'.
* Originally in UsefulNotes/{{Gnosticism}} (that's where the word "Demiurge" came from: Dēmiourgos -- "public worker"). Many doctrines of it tell something like "our world is made by someone pretty low in Divine Ranks, not very skilled at this" -- explaining any problems of the world we know as consequences of a work botched from the start.\\

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** The Abrahamic God appears to be closer to this at times in Literature/TheBible, especially in early writings. After all, the Garden of Eden had been around for all of about five minutes before Adam and Eve screwed it up. You'd have thought that maybe God could have fenced off the original ForbiddenFruit, or taken at least the most basic precaution to ensure that his newest creation [[FridgeLogic (who didn't know the difference between right and wrong)]] wouldn't take the one action that would ruin everything.
everything. Or perhaps just not put it there to being with.
** There's a well known well-known passage in Judges (Judges 1:19) where God was unable to help Judah triumph over 'the inhabitants of the valley' because they had 'chariots of iron'.
* Originally in UsefulNotes/{{Gnosticism}} (that's where the word "Demiurge" came from: Dēmiourgos -- "public worker"). Many doctrines of it tell say something like "our world is made by someone pretty low in the Divine Ranks, not very skilled at this" -- explaining any problems of the world we know as consequences of a work botched from the start.\\



* The argument from poor design argues against an omnipotent God based on the basis of nature's various perceived flaws. It leaves open the idea God is simply incompetent though.



* Astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson has stated that the basic hostility of the universe to the human species is why he refuses to accept the Intelligent Design Theory as true, because no supposed "intelligent" designer would have made such a sucky, dangerous, lethal world for human beings to live in.

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* Astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson has stated that the basic hostility of the universe to the human species is why he refuses to accept the Intelligent Design Theory as true, because no supposed "intelligent" designer would have made such a sucky, dangerous, lethal world for human beings to live in. Others have made similar criticisms.
10th May '16 9:55:19 PM TheWanderer
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Essentially, applying the HanlonsRazor approach to GodIsEvil. In other words, GodIsGood but incompetent.

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Essentially, applying the HanlonsRazor approach to GodIsEvil. In other words, GodIsGood but incompetent.incompetent, possibly even a CluelessBoss.
11th Mar '16 5:41:06 PM GrammarNavi
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* There's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuMfEAp31HE a sketch]] from ThatMitchellAndWebbLook which reinterprets a certain biblical story, portraying God as a doddering old fool who doesn't really know what he's doing and keeps second-guessing himself, which isn't helped by the the gawping mortals who think everything and anything he does is a great idea.

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* There's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuMfEAp31HE a sketch]] from ThatMitchellAndWebbLook ''Series/ThatMitchellAndWebbLook'' which reinterprets a certain biblical story, portraying God as a doddering old fool who doesn't really know what he's doing and keeps second-guessing himself, which isn't helped by the the gawping mortals who think everything and anything he does is a great idea.
7th Mar '16 9:59:32 AM LizardOfAus
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* There's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuMfEAp31HE a sketch]] from ThatMitchellAndWebbLook which reinterprets a certain biblical story, portraying God as a doddering old fool who doesn't really know what he's doing and keeps second-guessing himself, which isn't helped by the the gawping mortals who think everything and anything he does is a great idea.
16th Feb '16 12:04:06 PM erforce
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* In ''{{Dogma}}'' God seems rather inept.

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* In ''{{Dogma}}'' ''Film/{{Dogma}}'', God seems rather inept.




* The film ''TimeBandits'' deals heavily with the concept that The Supreme Being (God) made errors in his designs, both with individual items (which are listed occasionally) and with the universe in general.

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\n* The film ''TimeBandits'' ''Film/TimeBandits'' deals heavily with the concept that The Supreme Being (God) made errors in his designs, both with individual items (which are listed occasionally) and with the universe in general.



* Daryl Van Horne (JackNicholson)'s rant in ''TheWitchesOfEastwick'' (but note he's supposed to be {{Satan}}).

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* Daryl Van Horne (JackNicholson)'s rant in ''TheWitchesOfEastwick'' ''Film/TheWitchesOfEastwick'' (but note he's supposed to be {{Satan}}).
10th Dec '15 11:36:22 AM danime91
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*** The fact that it's Metatron who says this already brings into question how much research was put into writing Dogma, since apocryphally, Metatron is Enoch, a ''descendant'' of Adam.
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