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Starting as an indie comic series by acclaimed graphic novelist Daniel Clowes, ''Ghost World'' appeared in ''Comicbook/{{Eightball}}'' #11-18 (June, 1993-March, 1997). It was later adapted into an equally acclaimed indie film, which was released in 2001. Both versions follow {{Deadpan Snarker}}s Enid Coleslaw and Rebecca Doppelmeyer as they face the summer after high school graduation. The film cast Creator/ThoraBirch as Enid and Creator/ScarlettJohansson as Rebecca.

While conceptually similar, the comic and film differ in their featured characters. The character of Josh, an alienated friend (and quasi-love interest) of Enid's (and Rebecca's), plays a major role in the comic, while only being a side character in the film. Seymour, a lonely and cynical middle-aged man is a central character in the film, yet the characters from the book of which he is an amalgam are only very fleeting presences.

Enid and Rebecca's conversations would not be out of place in a {{Daria}} episode, though they lack the moral core which would make them [[TheSnarkKnight that kind]] of DeadpanSnarker.

Definitely a darker look at the classic coming-of-age stories, much of Ghost World's popularity lies in its frank treatment of adolescence and alienation. It's also quite funny.

Not to be confused with the tropes GhostPlanet, GhostTown or GhostCity.

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!!Both comic and film contain examples of:

* ADateWithRosiePalms:
-->'''Enid''': "I think I'm going crazy from sexual frustration."
-->'''Rebecca''': "And you haven't heard the miracle of masturbation?
* DeadpanSnarker: Enid, Rebecca, Josh, and (in the movie) Seymour.
* {{Eagleland}}: Type 2. Enid's nameless town is a wasteland of strip malls populated by the lonely and troubled.
* [[GuessWhoImMarrying Guess Who I'm Marrying]]: Enid's father remarries the worst possible (in Enid's opinion) of his previous romantic interests.
* NoCelebritiesWereHarmed: The male "Satanist" is a virtual dead-ringer for the late founder of the Church of {{Satan}}, Anton [=LaVey=].
* PrankDate: What Enid pulls on Seymour, though it leads to very different outcomes in the film and the book.
* SurroundedByIdiots: Most of Enid's classmates.
* ThisLoserIsYou: Seymour.
** An argument can be made for Enid in the movie, much to the ire of fans of the original comic. The film comes off as a deconstruction of the comic.

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!!The film contain examples of:
* AdultsAreUseless: Subverted, despite their flaws. Enid's father is well meaning and patient with Enid; Maxine finds a job for her, and Roberta offers her a full scholarship and stands up for her at the art show. Seymour in particular is intelligent and insightful and helps her to move beyond her teenage snark. Enid, however, won't (or maybe simply can't) accept their help or listen to them.
* AmbiguousEnding: At sunset, Enid, looking very somber, boards a bus (on a line that had supposedly been cancelled) and rides off to parts unknown. Some viewers think she is about to start a new life; others that the bus ride is a metaphor for death, seeing as a frail elderly man had boarded this same bus shortly before.
* AscendedExtra: Seymour's character and plotline is greatly expanded from the comic.
* BlackComedyRape: Enid notices an obnoxious preppy couple at her graduation dinner and wisecracks about the boy getting AIDS after date raping the girl. Rebecca may be having a DudeNotFunny moment when she shushes her.
* {{Blues}}: Seymour's main interest. Enid's unironic enjoyment of an old blues record he sells her suggests she is growing as a character.
* CityOfWeirdos: Most of the strangers Enid and Becky encounter as they wander around their neighborhood, also the listless tenants shown in their tacky apartments at the start of the film.
* CompositeCharacter: Seymour is based on the bearded windbreaker guy and Bob Skeetes from the comic. Also, Johnny "Apeshit" was merged into John Ellis.
* CloudCuckooLander: Norm, an elderly, slightly shabby gentleman who is perpetually waiting for a bus on a line that was cancelled a long time ago.
* TheCloudCuckooLanderWasRight: Norm tells Enid and Becky that they don't know what they're talking about when they say the bus line was cancelled. Towards the end of the film, the bus does in fact arrive and Norm boards it.
* DancingWithMyself: The film opens with Enid dancing to a videotape of an Indian musical the night before graduation.
* DawsonCasting: Oddly inverted - ScarlettJohansson was only 16 when the film was released and thus probably two or three years younger than her character at the time of filming.
* DramaticDrop: Josh drops the ice cream cone he is about to serve to a little girl when Enid shows up with Seymour at the Sidewinder Mini Mart.
* EveryoneLovesBlondes: Nearly every guy they come across zeros in on Becky and ignores Enid.
* ExpositoryHairstyleChange: Subverted or deconstructed. Enid dyes her hair green, aiming for an authentic '70s punk rock look, but the other characters, including Becky, don't get it. (A guy in the 'zine store asks if she's supposed to be Cyndi Lauper). Irritated, Enid washes the dye out of her hair as soon as she gets home.
* {{Deconstruction}}: Of the DeadpanSnarker character type.
* FriendsRentControl: Rebecca on her coffee server's salary can afford the entire rent on an attractive townhouse apartment. (Enid calls it a "shithole" but all it needs is a change of curtains).
* GenkiGirl: Melora, so very much.
* GrowingUpSucks: One reason why Enid keeps stalling about giving up her childhood possessions and moving on with her life after high school. She is afraid that nothing better lies ahead than a service job at Computer Station.
* HeterosexualLifePartners: Subverted, as Enid and Rebecca are clearly drifting apart throughout the film.
* InspirationallyDisadvantaged: Subverted hilariously. The paralyzed valedictorian at Enid and Becky's graduation tells the rapt audience that her car accident taught her she doesn't need alcohol to have a good time. (One graduate gulps even before she starts speaking). Afterward, Enid says she preferred her when she was was an "alcoholic crack addict" and that getting into a car wreck turned her into "Little Miss Perfect" overnight. Later, the valedictorian's date is shown pouring alcohol down her throat.
* IntelligenceEqualsIsolation: Enid and Seymour. Enid thinks only stupid people have relationships and Seymour says he can't relate to most of humanity (and his actions bear him out).
* InvisibleParents: Becky's. A passage from the script that never made it into the film suggests that Becky lives with her grandmother, as she does in the commic.
* KissingUnderTheInfluence: Enid and Seymour. Enid regrets it as soon as she sobers up, but afterward Seymour wants to have a romantic relationship with her.
* LeFilmArtistique: The hilariously incomprehensible film made by Enid's clueless art teacher, Roberta Allsworth.
* ManicPixieDreamGirl: Subverted. Enid genuinely tries to be this for Seymour, but [[spoiler:She ends up ruining his life and her own in the process]].
* MyBelovedSmother: Seymour's mother.
* MyGodWhatHaveIDone: Enid after she has drunken sex with Seymour.
* NotSoDifferent: Enid and Seymour, although she sees him as a "clueless dork" at first.
** It is debatable whether her quirky style and interests are all that different than those of the Zine-O-Phobia "creeps" she insults ("Look who's talking Little Miss Badass" one answers) or the "extroverted bohemian losers" she mocks when she's out with Becky.
* OddFriendship: Seymour and Enid, especially to Dana.
* RealTrailerFakeMovie: The trailer for a pretentious art film called "The Flower That Drank The Moon" plays at the video store Enid and Becky visit.
* SelfInsertFic: Seymour bears more than a passing resemblance, in attitude and habits, to director Terry Zwigoff.
* SignificantSketchbook: Seymour discovers Enid's sketchbook at one point, and feels crushed when he sees a portrait of himself portrayed as depressing and alone.
* TheStinger: After all the credits roll, there's another take of the scene where Seymour (Steve Buscemi) gets attacked by Doug in the minimart. Only this time, Buscemi's characer easily wins the fight, choking Doug with his own weapon, and stomps out triumphantly. He finishes with a bunch of [[Film/ReservoirDogs Mr. Pink]] type dialogue.
* TeachersPet: Margaret from art class.
* TemptingFate: Seymour is devastated when Enid won't return his calls; his roommate Joe tries to comfort him by saying that at least things can't get any worse. In the next scene, Seymour is fired from Cook's Chicken.
* TookALevelInBadass: Seymour in the EasterEgg.
* WeUsedToBeFriends: Enid and Becky's friendship has pretty much run its course by the end of the film.
* WhatCouldHaveBeen: ChristinaRicci was originally tapped to play Enid, but by the time the movie was produced, it was decided she was too old to play the part, and so Creator/ThoraBirch got the role instead.
** Daniel Clowes always wanted the male "Satanist" to be played by Anton [=LaVey=].
* WhatDoesSheSeeInHim: Becky's attitude to Enid's friendship with Seymour, as, unlike Enid, she can't see past his dorkiness.
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Starting as an indie comic series by acclaimed graphic novelist Daniel Clowes, ''Ghost World'' appeared in ''Comicbook/{{Eightball}}'' #11-18 (June, 1993-March, 1997). It was later adapted into an equally acclaimed indie film, which was released in 2001. Both versions follow {{Deadpan Snarker}}s Enid Coleslaw and Rebecca Doppelmeyer as they face the summer after high school graduation. The film cast Creator/ThoraBirch as Enid and Creator/ScarlettJohansson as Rebecca.

While conceptually similar, the comic and film differ in their featured characters. The character of Josh, an alienated friend (and quasi-love interest) of Enid's (and Rebecca's), plays a major role in the comic, while only being a side character in the film. Seymour, a lonely and cynical middle-aged man is a central character in the film, yet the characters from the book of which he is an amalgam are only very fleeting presences.

Enid and Rebecca's conversations would not be out of place in a {{Daria}} episode, though they lack the moral core which would make them [[TheSnarkKnight that kind]] of DeadpanSnarker.

Definitely a darker look at the classic coming-of-age stories, much of Ghost World's popularity lies in its frank treatment of adolescence and alienation. It's also quite funny.

Not to be confused with the tropes GhostPlanet, GhostTown or GhostCity.

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!!Both comic and film contain examples of:

* ADateWithRosiePalms:
-->'''Enid''': "I think I'm going crazy from sexual frustration."
-->'''Rebecca''': "And you haven't heard the miracle of masturbation?
* DeadpanSnarker: Enid, Rebecca, Josh, and (in the movie) Seymour.
* {{Eagleland}}: Type 2. Enid's nameless town is a wasteland of strip malls populated by the lonely and troubled.
* [[GuessWhoImMarrying Guess Who I'm Marrying]]: Enid's father remarries the worst possible (in Enid's opinion) of his previous romantic interests.
* NoCelebritiesWereHarmed: The male "Satanist" is a virtual dead-ringer for the late founder of the Church of {{Satan}}, Anton [=LaVey=].
* PrankDate: What Enid pulls on Seymour, though it leads to very different outcomes in the film and the book.
* SurroundedByIdiots: Most of Enid's classmates.
* ThisLoserIsYou: Seymour.
** An argument can be made for Enid in the movie, much to the ire of fans of the original comic. The film comes off as a deconstruction of the comic.

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!!The film contain examples of:
* AdultsAreUseless: Subverted, despite their flaws. Enid's father is well meaning and patient with Enid; Maxine finds a job for her, and Roberta offers her a full scholarship and stands up for her at the art show. Seymour in particular is intelligent and insightful and helps her to move beyond her teenage snark. Enid, however, won't (or maybe simply can't) accept their help or listen to them.
* AmbiguousEnding: At sunset, Enid, looking very somber, boards a bus (on a line that had supposedly been cancelled) and rides off to parts unknown. Some viewers think she is about to start a new life; others that the bus ride is a metaphor for death, seeing as a frail elderly man had boarded this same bus shortly before.
* AscendedExtra: Seymour's character and plotline is greatly expanded from the comic.
* BlackComedyRape: Enid notices an obnoxious preppy couple at her graduation dinner and wisecracks about the boy getting AIDS after date raping the girl. Rebecca may be having a DudeNotFunny moment when she shushes her.
* {{Blues}}: Seymour's main interest. Enid's unironic enjoyment of an old blues record he sells her suggests she is growing as a character.
* CityOfWeirdos: Most of the strangers Enid and Becky encounter as they wander around their neighborhood, also the listless tenants shown in their tacky apartments at the start of the film.
* CompositeCharacter: Seymour is based on the bearded windbreaker guy and Bob Skeetes from the comic. Also, Johnny "Apeshit" was merged into John Ellis.
* CloudCuckooLander: Norm, an elderly, slightly shabby gentleman who is perpetually waiting for a bus on a line that was cancelled a long time ago.
* TheCloudCuckooLanderWasRight: Norm tells Enid and Becky that they don't know what they're talking about when they say the bus line was cancelled. Towards the end of the film, the bus does in fact arrive and Norm boards it.
* DancingWithMyself: The film opens with Enid dancing to a videotape of an Indian musical the night before graduation.
* DawsonCasting: Oddly inverted - ScarlettJohansson was only 16 when the film was released and thus probably two or three years younger than her character at the time of filming.
* DramaticDrop: Josh drops the ice cream cone he is about to serve to a little girl when Enid shows up with Seymour at the Sidewinder Mini Mart.
* EveryoneLovesBlondes: Nearly every guy they come across zeros in on Becky and ignores Enid.
* ExpositoryHairstyleChange: Subverted or deconstructed. Enid dyes her hair green, aiming for an authentic '70s punk rock look, but the other characters, including Becky, don't get it. (A guy in the 'zine store asks if she's supposed to be Cyndi Lauper). Irritated, Enid washes the dye out of her hair as soon as she gets home.
* {{Deconstruction}}: Of the DeadpanSnarker character type.
* FriendsRentControl: Rebecca on her coffee server's salary can afford the entire rent on an attractive townhouse apartment. (Enid calls it a "shithole" but all it needs is a change of curtains).
* GenkiGirl: Melora, so very much.
* GrowingUpSucks: One reason why Enid keeps stalling about giving up her childhood possessions and moving on with her life after high school. She is afraid that nothing better lies ahead than a service job at Computer Station.
* HeterosexualLifePartners: Subverted, as Enid and Rebecca are clearly drifting apart throughout the film.
* InspirationallyDisadvantaged: Subverted hilariously. The paralyzed valedictorian at Enid and Becky's graduation tells the rapt audience that her car accident taught her she doesn't need alcohol to have a good time. (One graduate gulps even before she starts speaking). Afterward, Enid says she preferred her when she was was an "alcoholic crack addict" and that getting into a car wreck turned her into "Little Miss Perfect" overnight. Later, the valedictorian's date is shown pouring alcohol down her throat.
* IntelligenceEqualsIsolation: Enid and Seymour. Enid thinks only stupid people have relationships and Seymour says he can't relate to most of humanity (and his actions bear him out).
* InvisibleParents: Becky's. A passage from the script that never made it into the film suggests that Becky lives with her grandmother, as she does in the commic.
* KissingUnderTheInfluence: Enid and Seymour. Enid regrets it as soon as she sobers up, but afterward Seymour wants to have a romantic relationship with her.
* LeFilmArtistique: The hilariously incomprehensible film made by Enid's clueless art teacher, Roberta Allsworth.
* ManicPixieDreamGirl: Subverted. Enid genuinely tries to be this for Seymour, but [[spoiler:She ends up ruining his life and her own in the process]].
* MyBelovedSmother: Seymour's mother.
* MyGodWhatHaveIDone: Enid after she has drunken sex with Seymour.
* NotSoDifferent: Enid and Seymour, although she sees him as a "clueless dork" at first.
** It is debatable whether her quirky style and interests are all that different than those of the Zine-O-Phobia "creeps" she insults ("Look who's talking Little Miss Badass" one answers) or the "extroverted bohemian losers" she mocks when she's out with Becky.
* OddFriendship: Seymour and Enid, especially to Dana.
* RealTrailerFakeMovie: The trailer for a pretentious art film called "The Flower That Drank The Moon" plays at the video store Enid and Becky visit.
* SelfInsertFic: Seymour bears more than a passing resemblance, in attitude and habits, to director Terry Zwigoff.
* SignificantSketchbook: Seymour discovers Enid's sketchbook at one point, and feels crushed when he sees a portrait of himself portrayed as depressing and alone.
* TheStinger: After all the credits roll, there's another take of the scene where Seymour (Steve Buscemi) gets attacked by Doug in the minimart. Only this time, Buscemi's characer easily wins the fight, choking Doug with his own weapon, and stomps out triumphantly. He finishes with a bunch of [[Film/ReservoirDogs Mr. Pink]] type dialogue.
* TeachersPet: Margaret from art class.
* TemptingFate: Seymour is devastated when Enid won't return his calls; his roommate Joe tries to comfort him by saying that at least things can't get any worse. In the next scene, Seymour is fired from Cook's Chicken.
* TookALevelInBadass: Seymour in the EasterEgg.
* WeUsedToBeFriends: Enid and Becky's friendship has pretty much run its course by the end of the film.
* WhatCouldHaveBeen: ChristinaRicci was originally tapped to play Enid, but by the time the movie was produced, it was decided she was too old to play the part, and so Creator/ThoraBirch got the role instead.
** Daniel Clowes always wanted the male "Satanist" to be played by Anton [=LaVey=].
* WhatDoesSheSeeInHim: Becky's attitude to Enid's friendship with Seymour, as, unlike Enid, she can't see past his dorkiness.
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22nd Aug '13 5:25:25 PM Volvagia423
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* DawsonCasting: Oddly inverted - ScarlettJohansson was only 16 when the film was released and thus probably a year or two younger than her character.

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* DawsonCasting: Oddly inverted - ScarlettJohansson was only 16 when the film was released and thus probably a year or two or three years younger than her character.character at the time of filming.
25th Jul '13 5:30:09 AM billythehick
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While conceptually similar, the comic and film differ in their featured characters. The character of Josh, an alienated friend (and quasi-love interest) of Enid's (and Rebecca's), plays a major role in the comic, while only being a side character in the film. Seymour, a lonely and cynical middle-aged man is a central character in the film, yet only appears for a few panels in the comic, a victim of one of Enid's pranks.

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While conceptually similar, the comic and film differ in their featured characters. The character of Josh, an alienated friend (and quasi-love interest) of Enid's (and Rebecca's), plays a major role in the comic, while only being a side character in the film. Seymour, a lonely and cynical middle-aged man is a central character in the film, yet the characters from the book of which he is an amalgam are only appears for a few panels in the comic, a victim of one of Enid's pranks.
very fleeting presences.
2nd Jul '13 7:51:13 AM erforce
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* TheStinger: After all the credits roll, there's another take of the scene where Seymour (Steve Buscemi) gets attacked by Doug in the minimart. Only this time, Buscemi's characer easily wins the fight, choking Doug with his own weapon, and stomps out triumphantly. He finishes with a bunch of [[ReservoirDogs Mr. Pink]] type dialogue.

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* TheStinger: After all the credits roll, there's another take of the scene where Seymour (Steve Buscemi) gets attacked by Doug in the minimart. Only this time, Buscemi's characer easily wins the fight, choking Doug with his own weapon, and stomps out triumphantly. He finishes with a bunch of [[ReservoirDogs [[Film/ReservoirDogs Mr. Pink]] type dialogue.
20th Jun '13 6:37:36 PM Prfnoff
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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: ChristinaRicci was originally tapped to play Enid, but by the time the movie was produced, it was decided she was too old to play the part, and so ThoraBirch got the role instead.

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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: ChristinaRicci was originally tapped to play Enid, but by the time the movie was produced, it was decided she was too old to play the part, and so ThoraBirch Creator/ThoraBirch got the role instead.
20th Jun '13 6:30:59 PM Prfnoff
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Starting as an indie comic series by acclaimed graphic novelist Daniel Clowes, ''Ghost World'' appeared in ''Comicbook/{{Eightball}}'' #11-18 (June, 1993-March, 1997). It was later adapted into an equally acclaimed indie film, which was released in 2001. Both versions follow {{Deadpan Snarker}}s Enid Coleslaw and Rebecca Doppelmeyer as they face the summer after high school graduation. The film cast ThoraBirch as Enid and ScarlettJohansson as Rebecca.

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Starting as an indie comic series by acclaimed graphic novelist Daniel Clowes, ''Ghost World'' appeared in ''Comicbook/{{Eightball}}'' #11-18 (June, 1993-March, 1997). It was later adapted into an equally acclaimed indie film, which was released in 2001. Both versions follow {{Deadpan Snarker}}s Enid Coleslaw and Rebecca Doppelmeyer as they face the summer after high school graduation. The film cast ThoraBirch Creator/ThoraBirch as Enid and ScarlettJohansson Creator/ScarlettJohansson as Rebecca.
4th Apr '13 3:29:55 PM Tweevle
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* EveryoneWantsBlondes: Nearly every guy they come across zeros in on Becky and ignores Enid.

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* EveryoneWantsBlondes: EveryoneLovesBlondes: Nearly every guy they come across zeros in on Becky and ignores Enid.
24th Mar '13 8:29:23 PM Trippetta
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* EveryoneWantsBlondes: Nearly every guy they come across zeros in on Becky and ignores Enid.


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* GenkiGirl: Melora, so very much.
1st Mar '13 1:03:48 PM trippetaa
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* DancingWithMyself: The film opens with Enid dancing to a videotape of an Indian musical the night before graduation.


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* DancingWithMyself: The film opens with Enid dancing to a videotape of an Indian musical the night before graduation.
1st Mar '13 1:02:24 PM trippetaa
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* DancingWithMyself: The film opens with Enid dancing to a videotape of an Indian musical the night before graduation.
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