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20th Feb '17 5:17:46 AM jormis29
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*** What the game did have, all through 1st Edition, was an upper limit on female strength - it affected only those females who played fighters, rolled an 18 for strength, followed by 51% or higher on the "exceptional strength" bonus. Anyone of either sex who wasn't a fighter didn't roll the bonus percentage even if they had an 18 strength, nor (obviously) did anyone who didn't have an 18 strength in the first place; and the various belts and gloves that conferred fantastic strength worked just fine regardless of the gender of the wearer. Eventually TSR caved and this rule went the way of all flesh.

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*** What the game did have, all through 1st Edition, was an upper limit on female strength - it affected only those females who played fighters, rolled an 18 for strength, followed by 51% or higher on the "exceptional strength" bonus. Anyone of either sex who wasn't a fighter didn't roll the bonus percentage even if they had an 18 strength, nor (obviously) did anyone who didn't have an 18 strength in the first place; and the various belts and gloves that conferred fantastic strength worked just fine regardless of the gender of the wearer. Eventually TSR Creator/{{TSR}} caved and this rule went the way of all flesh.
5th Feb '17 6:11:59 AM Nazetrime
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* ''Webcomic/StandStillStaySilent'': In that world, the military exists mostly to fight PlagueZombie monsters, so gender seems to have little importance as long as one is TheImmune, while population category that tends to kept away from the front lines and protected is the portion that is not TheImmune. Where the story itself is concerned, the expedition's organizers didn't think twice about having two women and three men share a small dormitory aboard an AwesomePersonnelCarrier for several months. In addition, the crew TeamDad is female, the TeamMom is male, and neither ever got any in-universe remarks about having a behaviour more appropriate for the other gender.

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* ''Webcomic/StandStillStaySilent'': In that world, the military exists mostly to fight PlagueZombie monsters, so gender seems to have little importance as long as one is TheImmune, while the population category that tends to be kept away from the front lines and protected is the portion that is not TheImmune. Where the story itself is concerned, the expedition's organizers didn't think twice about nobody seems to mind having two women and three men share a small dormitory aboard an AwesomePersonnelCarrier for several months. In addition, the crew TeamDad is female, the TeamMom is male, and neither ever got any in-universe remarks about having a behaviour more appropriate for the other gender.
4th Feb '17 2:03:03 AM Nazetrime
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* ''Webcomic/StandStillStaySilent'': In that world, the military exists mostly to fight PlagueZombie monsters, so gender seems to have little importance as long as one is TheImmune, while population category that tends to kept away from the front lines and protected is the portion that is not TheImmune. The expedition's organizers didn't think twice about having two women and three men share a small dorm room for several months. In addition, the crew TeamDad is female, the TeamMom is male, and neither ever got any in-universe remarks about having a behaviour more appropriate for the other gender.

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* ''Webcomic/StandStillStaySilent'': In that world, the military exists mostly to fight PlagueZombie monsters, so gender seems to have little importance as long as one is TheImmune, while population category that tends to kept away from the front lines and protected is the portion that is not TheImmune. The Where the story itself is concerned, the expedition's organizers didn't think twice about having two women and three men share a small dorm room dormitory aboard an AwesomePersonnelCarrier for several months. In addition, the crew TeamDad is female, the TeamMom is male, and neither ever got any in-universe remarks about having a behaviour more appropriate for the other gender.
4th Feb '17 1:58:52 AM Nazetrime
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* ''Webcomic/StandStillStaySilent'': In that world, the military exists mostly to fight PlagueZombie monsters, so gender seems to have little importance as long as one is TheImmune, while population category that tends to kept away from the front lines and protected is the portion that is not TheImmune. The expedition's organizers didn't think twice about having two women and three men share a small dorm room for several months. In addition, the crew TeamDad is female, the TeamMom is male, and neither ever got any in-universe remarks about having a behaviour more appropriate for the other gender.
25th Jan '17 4:01:02 PM BigJaredMonkey
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** Interestingly, Master Chief Urgayle also cites a real-world limitation of this trope, discovered when the Israelis and Russians both tried to field gender-unified combat units: men seem to have an instinctual urge to protect women, even when the women in question are fellow soldiers. In the case of the Israelis, this led to a degredation of unit cohesion, as the male soldiers would abandon their mission to rescue wounded female colleagues. (The Russians abandoned the idea of employing female combat soldiers, while the Israelis began using segregated combat units of both all-male or all-female combat soldiers.)
18th Jan '17 3:43:03 PM gb00393
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': Wildling spearwives like Osha and Ygritte are just as welcome to take part in warbands as men.
8th Jan '17 3:58:10 PM trulymadmoves
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* In ''Literature/InheritanceCycle'', female elves are just as good fighters as male elves.

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* In ''Literature/InheritanceCycle'', there is almost no societal difference between male and female elves are just as elves. They're both equally good fighters at fighting, magic, what-have-you. They even dress the same and have the same hairstyles; when Arya disguises herself as male elves.a human woman, she admits she's always been a bit puzzled at the notion of women's clothing, and of men and women having different societal roles. The other three major races seem to abide by the concept that women stick to domestic work, with a minority of women in positions of power and almost none in combat. It is said that Urgal women, like men, gain station by [[AsskickingEqualsAuthority defeating foes]], but [[InformedAttribute we don't see any Urgal women until the very end of the series]].
5th Jan '17 3:09:21 PM DustSnitch
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** In Lair of the Shadow Broker one of the files states that infertile krogan females at least have garrison roles on their homeworld. All krogan are taught ''how'' to fight from childhood, it's a question of who they can afford to risk. Indeed, stories of krogan history prior to the genophage suggest that krogan females had equal rights and were just as respected as the males (the female Warlord Shiagur is often mentioned as being one of the most legendary {{Bad Ass}}es the krogan have ever known). The only reason krogan females are kept cloistered away in modern times is because the genophage has forced the krogan to safeguard their females to ensure the survival of their species.

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** In Lair of the Shadow Broker one of the files states that infertile krogan females at least have garrison roles on their homeworld. All krogan are taught ''how'' to fight from childhood, it's a question of who they can afford to risk. Indeed, stories of krogan history prior to the genophage suggest that krogan females had equal rights and were just as respected as the males (the female Warlord Shiagur is often mentioned as being one of the most legendary {{Bad Ass}}es badasses the krogan have ever known). The only reason krogan females are kept cloistered away in modern times is because the genophage has forced the krogan to safeguard their females to ensure the survival of their species.
24th Dec '16 8:35:51 PM Someoneman
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* Computer role-playing games. This trope is true in many of them simply because female gamers play these games too. Usually, this trope is handwaved and never commented upon.
** In very old PC {{Role Playing Game}}s, however, it was common for there to be gender-based stat adjustments, usually with male characters getting a bonus to strength and female characters getting a compensating bonus to charisma, dexterity or intelligence.

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* Computer role-playing games. This trope is true in many of them simply because female gamers play these games too. Usually, this trope is handwaved and never commented upon.
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upon. In very old PC {{Role Playing Game}}s, however, it was common for there to be gender-based stat adjustments, usually with male characters getting a bonus to strength and female characters getting a compensating bonus to charisma, dexterity or intelligence.



* Despite the fact that [[VideoGame/BioshockInfinite Columbia]] has some seriously regressive social values, gender doesn't seem to be a problem as you can clearly see women fighting for both the Founders and the Vox Populi (the latter even being lead by a woman). It's even the cause of some EnemyChatter when one Founder is shocked at the inequality down on early 20th century America. [[DeliberateValuesDissonance Making it all the more shocking that they don't blink an eye at some horrific racism.]] FridgeBrilliance when you think about it. [[BigBad Comstock]] would want to remove sexism from Columbian society since he was grooming Elizabeth to replace him as Columbia's leader.

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* Despite In ''VideoGame/BioshockInfinite'', despite the fact that [[VideoGame/BioshockInfinite Columbia]] that Columbia has some seriously regressive social values, gender doesn't seem to be a problem as you can clearly see women fighting for both the Founders and the Vox Populi (the latter even being lead by a woman). It's even the cause of some EnemyChatter when one Founder is shocked at the inequality down on early 20th century America. [[DeliberateValuesDissonance Making it all the more shocking that they don't blink an eye at some horrific racism.]] FridgeBrilliance when you think about it. [[BigBad Comstock]] would want to remove sexism from Columbian society since he was grooming Elizabeth to replace him as Columbia's leader.
14th Dec '16 6:58:12 PM PaulA
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* The Atans in ''[[Literature/TheElenium The Tamuli]]'' are a ProudWarriorRace who seem to have no gender hangups. Anyone who reaches adulthood is expected to be a competent soldier, and their king and queen hold roughly equal status.

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* The Atans in ''[[Literature/TheElenium The Tamuli]]'' ''Literature/TheTamuli'' are a ProudWarriorRace who seem to have no gender hangups. Anyone who reaches adulthood is expected to be a competent soldier, and their king and queen hold roughly equal status.
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