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26th Feb '17 3:07:34 PM jeez
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* In ''Film/SherlockHolmes'', Lord Blackwood's plan to kill Ambassador Standish would have failed if it hadn't been raining that day (since it required that Standish be [[spoiler: doused in oil without realizing it]]).

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* In ''Film/SherlockHolmes'', Lord Blackwood's plan to kill Ambassador Standish would have failed if it hadn't been raining that day (since it required that Standish be [[spoiler: doused in oil without realizing it]]).it]]), or if Standish had chosen not to kill Blackwood that day, or not to do so with the booby-trapped gun.
20th Feb '17 10:00:59 AM Chabal2
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*** The attack on Prospero was in itself one of his {{Plan}}s. First, he lets Magnus, one of the most powerful psykers in the universe forsee a future where the Imperium is destroyed, causing Magnus to break his word, his father to turn against him and all of this before anybody even knew he existed. Second, he allows Magnus and his legion of psykers to get the crap kicked out of them so they had no choice to turn to him for aid. Third, he causes them to use the Rubric, resulting in his now faithful legion of Supersoldiers being nothing but GambitSpeedChess playing psykers or their mindless servants.

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*** The attack on Prospero was in itself one of his {{Plan}}s. First, he lets Magnus, one of the most powerful psykers in the universe forsee foresee a future where the Imperium is destroyed, causing Magnus to break his word, his father to turn against him and all of this before anybody even knew he existed. Second, he allows Magnus and his legion of psykers to get the crap kicked out of them so they had no choice to turn to him for aid. Third, he causes them to use the Rubric, resulting in his now faithful legion of Supersoldiers being nothing but GambitSpeedChess playing psykers or their mindless servants.


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** The Eldar have Eldrad Ulthran, their best Farseer. While his plans are of the "save ten Eldar in a thousand years" variety, fandom turns him into a MemeticTroll who (ab)uses his powers to play stupid pranks on people, such as putting a rock where a motorbike will fling it into the air, where it will get sucked into a jetbike's air intake, causing it to crash into a giant bladed robot, exploding the robot so that a blade will slice towards Eldrad's bodyguards, causing one to block and deflect the shrapnel... [[ClothingDamage into and through the straps of a female eldar's torso armor]]. [[MemeticMutation What a dick.]]
18th Feb '17 3:11:27 PM SeaRover
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** Satoshi's advice to Kenji about Kagami: Treat her like royalty, so that they can see how long it takes her to offer her body to them, which she eventually does in return for being the only ones there in solidarity for her at Tsukasa's funeral. [[UnfortunateImplications As if all it takes to a girl's pussy (and to avoid accountability for raping her friends) is to "be a nice guy".]] (Pro tip: Not everyone has "cheat codes". Most people (and especially those like Kagami) would rather wait until they're ''married'' before making love, and even plenty of stable relationships end in breakup.)

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** Satoshi's advice to Kenji about Kagami: Treat her like royalty, so that they can see how long it takes her to offer her body to them, which she eventually does in return for being the only ones there in solidarity for her at Tsukasa's funeral. [[UnfortunateImplications As if all it takes to a girl's pussy (and to avoid accountability for raping her friends) is to "be a nice guy".]] (Pro tip: Not ]][[labelnote:Pro tip]]Not everyone has "cheat codes". Most people (and especially those like Kagami) would rather wait until they're ''married'' before making love, and even plenty of stable relationships end in breakup.)[[/labelnote]]
18th Feb '17 11:53:14 AM SeaRover
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*** And this fic hasn't even been updated since November 2014, so there are plenty of more variables to account for that would all have to unfold just the right way if those boys were to survive (which they don't) ''and'' have their arms deal go through (which still has yet to be stopped).

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*** And this The author himself had deleted the fic hasn't even been updated in May 2016, after leaving it sitting at chapter 15 since November 10, 2014, so there are plenty of more specifically after realizing how utterly broken the storytelling was. Many additional variables to account for that will never be accounted for would all have to unfold just the right way if those boys were to survive (which (at least for as long as they don't) did) ''and'' have their arms deal go through (which still has had yet to be stopped).stopped as of the flash-forward chapters that were already written).
8th Feb '17 12:33:48 PM flodoris
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** But of course this plan nothing to compared with [[spoiler:Black Zetsu's plan to revive Kaguya. First he caused Indra's betrayal of Ashura in order to start the Uchiha-Senju feud. Then he edited the Sage of the Six Paths' tablet in order to make the Uchiha Clan his pawns. Then he watched over both brother's descendants in hopes of finding someone that would be able to awaken the Rinnegan: Madara. From there, he had to rely on Madara creating the Moon Eye Plan in order for his plan to succeed. In the process, Madara was somehow tricked into thinking he had himself created Black Zetsu. And guess what? His plan went off without a ''single'' hitch]].

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** But of course this plan nothing to compared with [[spoiler:Black Zetsu's plan to revive Kaguya. First he caused Indra's betrayal of Ashura in order to start the Uchiha-Senju feud. Then he edited the Sage of the Six Paths' tablet in order to make the Uchiha Clan his pawns. Then he watched over both brother's descendants brothers reincarnations in hopes of finding someone that would be able to awaken the Rinnegan: Madara. [[labelnote:Note]]On edited him tablet, he wrote "seeking stability, one god was divided into yin and yang, these opposing two acting together obtain all things in creation" so he had to hope that one of the reincarnations of Indra will be able to interpret his message as he wanted.[[/labelnote]] From there, he had to rely on Madara creating the Moon Eye Plan in order for his plan to succeed. In the process, Madara was somehow tricked into thinking he had himself created Black Zetsu. And guess what? His plan went off without a ''single'' hitch]].hitch.]]
7th Feb '17 5:02:43 PM SSJMagus
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* In ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' Madara Uchiha reveals the truth behind [[spoiler: Obito Uchiha becoming the BigBad. Obito's FaceHeelTurn was originally after his childhood crush Rin Nohara died when she was abducted by the Hidden Mist. All of the abductors were being mind-controlled by Madara and Rin herself had an impulse to commit suicide implanted in her mind. The entire thing was planned to destroy Obito's idealism and turn him evil. The fact that Rin committed suicide via Kakashi was a happy coincidence.]]
** But of course this plan nothing to compared with [[spoiler:Black Zetsu's plan to revive Kaguya. First he caused Indra's betrayal of Ashura in order to start the Uchiha-Senju feud. Then he edited the Sage of the Six Paths' tablet in order to make the Uchiha Clan his pawns. Then he watched over both brother's descendants in hopes of finding someone that would be able to awaken the Rinnegan: Madara. From there, he had to rely on Madara creating the Moon Eye Plan in order for his plan to succeed. And guess what? His plan went off without a ''single'' hitch]].

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* In ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' Madara Uchiha reveals the truth behind [[spoiler: Obito Uchiha becoming the BigBad. Obito's FaceHeelTurn was originally after his childhood crush Rin Nohara died when she was abducted by the Hidden Mist. All of the abductors were being mind-controlled by Madara and Rin herself had an impulse to commit suicide implanted in her mind. Thus explaining why Rin didn't use any of the much smarter options available to her. The entire thing was planned to destroy Obito's idealism and turn him evil. The fact that Rin committed suicide via Kakashi was a happy coincidence.]]
** But of course this plan nothing to compared with [[spoiler:Black Zetsu's plan to revive Kaguya. First he caused Indra's betrayal of Ashura in order to start the Uchiha-Senju feud. Then he edited the Sage of the Six Paths' tablet in order to make the Uchiha Clan his pawns. Then he watched over both brother's descendants in hopes of finding someone that would be able to awaken the Rinnegan: Madara. From there, he had to rely on Madara creating the Moon Eye Plan in order for his plan to succeed. In the process, Madara was somehow tricked into thinking he had himself created Black Zetsu. And guess what? His plan went off without a ''single'' hitch]].
5th Feb '17 1:31:33 AM Oransel
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** Sherlock manages this in "The Lying Detective", which relies on an old drug addiction coming back and a whole array of {{Batman Gambit}}s in which everyone had to react as he anticipated within a span of ''two weeks'', all to catch a [[VillainWithGoodPublicity serial killer with good publicity]]. If that's not improbable, even Sherlock doesn't know ''what'' is.
** This trope is taken to absurd levels in “The Final Problem” as we learn about the master plan of [[spoiler: Eurus]].

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** Sherlock manages this in "The ''"The Lying Detective", Detective"'', which relies on an old drug addiction coming back and a whole array of {{Batman Gambit}}s in which everyone had to react as he anticipated within a span of ''two weeks'', all to catch a [[VillainWithGoodPublicity serial killer with good publicity]]. If that's not improbable, even Sherlock doesn't know ''what'' is.
** This trope is taken to absurd levels in “The ''"The Final Problem” Problem"'' as we learn about the master plan of [[spoiler: Eurus]].



*** [[spoiler: Ironically, one of the largest gambles and risks for her plan was highly unpredictable and unreliable [[PsychopathicManchild Moriarty]] himself. In ''The Reichenbach Fall'' Moriarty went full force against Sherlock and was willing to see his nemesis die, which, for obvious reasons, could cancel out plan of Eurus entirely. She also needed ''Moriarty'' to [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness die]] himself and get out of the picture with absolutely no guarantees that any of these events would happen as predicted. In fact, Moriarty seemed content with continuing his games with "ordinary" people. Her whole plan hinged on highly specific outcomes, typical of any GambitRoulette plans, while for Moriarty postmortem game was just an entertaining ''alternative'' option in his grandiose XanatosGambit.]]

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*** [[spoiler: Ironically, one of the largest gambles and risks for her plan was highly unpredictable and unreliable [[PsychopathicManchild Moriarty]] himself. In ''The ''"The Reichenbach Fall'' Fall"'' Moriarty went full force against Sherlock and was willing to see his nemesis die, which, for obvious reasons, could cancel out plan of Eurus entirely. She also needed ''Moriarty'' to [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness die]] himself and get out of the picture with absolutely no guarantees that any of these events would happen as predicted. In fact, Moriarty seemed content with continuing his games with "ordinary" people. Her whole plan hinged on highly specific outcomes, typical of any GambitRoulette plans, while for Moriarty postmortem game was just an entertaining ''alternative'' option in his grandiose XanatosGambit.]]



*** [[spoiler: In “The Final Problem” itself her plan required Sherlock, John and Mycroft to [[NoOneShouldSurviveThat survive a grenade explosion at close range]] and infiltrate the [[TheAlcatraz highest security island prison]] with a ''very'' high chance of someone being killed or arrested in the process. In the prison, her whole plan hinges entirely on Sherlock, master of SherlockScan, not noticing the ''lack of glass''. Later trials absolutely required her brothers to suddenly get [[TheWorfEffect dumbed down]] and play by her rules without any [[IndyPloy improvisations]] or [[TakeAThirdOption creative solutions]] or even recognizing Eurus as little girl impersonator. Of course her initial plan does fall apart the moment Sherlock just ignores her rules.]]

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*** [[spoiler: In “The ''"The Final Problem” Problem"'' itself her plan required Sherlock, John and Mycroft to [[NoOneShouldSurviveThat survive a grenade explosion at close range]] and infiltrate the [[TheAlcatraz highest security island prison]] with a ''very'' high chance of someone being killed or arrested in the process. In the prison, her whole plan hinges entirely on Sherlock, master of SherlockScan, not noticing the ''lack of glass''. Later trials absolutely required her brothers to suddenly get [[TheWorfEffect dumbed down]] and play by her rules without any [[IndyPloy improvisations]] or [[TakeAThirdOption creative solutions]] or even recognizing Eurus as little girl impersonator. Of course her initial plan does fall apart the moment Sherlock just ignores her rules.]]
5th Feb '17 1:25:33 AM Oransel
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** This trope is taken to absurd levels in “The Final Problem” as we learn about master plan of [[spoiler: Eurus]].
*** [[spoiler: Her plan to destroy Sherlock is critically dependent on help from Moriarty. In order to meet Jim she needs to convince Mycroft to arrange a meeting between two [[EvilGenius evil geniuses]]. This part of the plan requires Mycroft, who is phenomenally smart and is deeply caring about Sherlock, to act like dumbest person in the series and to allow unsupervised meeting between two extremely dangerously psychotic and intelligent criminals, ''who are not even hiding their intentions to harm his brother''. Not only that but if Mycroft refused and got alerted she would've lost her only chance to do anything outside prison cell for the rest of her life. This highly improbable scenario works in the actual episode because plot needs to move on.]]
*** [[spoiler: Later, it becomes unclear whether Eurus and Moriarty had only five minutes together to discuss the plan or they managed to maintain contact with each other. In the first case, viewers are to assume that they somehow forged very complicated master plan in a very limited amount of time, understood each other perfectly, did not sabotage each other and each perfectly implemented their own parts of the plan. In the second case, they managed to elude Mycroft and high-level prison’s security for indefinite amount of time. This includes reconstruction of the Musgrave estate without Mycroft noticing. Both scenarios are also highly improbable.]]
*** [[spoiler: As far as Eurus is concerned, her plan would work only if Sherlock was to survive ''Reichenbach Fall'' and there was no guarantee ''at all'' that this would be the case. Moriarty went full force against Sherlock and was content with driving his nemesis to suicide and to continue living a life of boredom. For Moriarty postmortem scenario was just an entertaining alternative option in his grandiose XanatosGambit.]]
*** [[spoiler: Eurus had to be able to discretely brainwash whole prison into her favor without Mycroft or any other top government agent noticing; ''hope'' that Sherlock survives dismantling Moriarty’s network, survive terror attack plot, ''hope'' that his fight with Magnussen would not end with Sherlock being destroyed; hack whole Great Britain to distribute Moriarty’s message ''at perfectly calculated time'' without anyone noticing for Sherlock to stay in the country; leave prison; seduce John “the Family Man” Watson and ''hope again'' that Sherlock would not see through her disguise as Culverton Smith’s daughter. In each instance chance of failure was as high as it gets.]]
*** [[spoiler: In “The Final Problem” itself her plan required Sherlock, John and Mycroft to survive grenade explosion and infiltrate the prison with high chance of someone being killed or arrested in the process. At prison her whole plan hinged on Sherlock, master of SherlockScan, not noticing lack of glass between two siblings. Later trials absolutely required all three men to play by her rules without any [[IndyPloy improvisations]] or [[TakeAThirdOption creative solutions]] or even recognizing her voice as little girl impersonator. Of course her initial plan does fall apart the moment Sherlock just ignores her rules. It gets worse at the Musgrave estate where her plan falls apart by itself. Overall, the whole plan had success chance as high as 0.0000000000000000000000000001%.]]

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** This trope is taken to absurd levels in “The Final Problem” as we learn about the master plan of [[spoiler: Eurus]].
*** [[spoiler: Her plan to destroy Sherlock is critically dependent on help from Moriarty. In order to meet Jim she Jim, Eurus needs to convince Mycroft to arrange a meeting between for the two [[EvilGenius evil geniuses]]. This part of the plan requires Mycroft, who is phenomenally smart and is deeply caring about Sherlock, to [[PlotInducedStupidity act like dumbest person in the series very dumb]] for no good reason and to allow an unsupervised meeting between two extremely dangerously psychotic and intelligent criminals, ''who ''[[CardCarryingVillain who are not even hiding their intentions to harm his brother''. Not only that but if brother]]''. If Mycroft refused and got alerted refused, she would've lost her only chance to do anything outside her prison cell for the rest of her life. This highly improbable scenario works in the actual episode because plot needs to move on.move.]]
*** [[spoiler: Later, it becomes unclear whether Eurus Ironically, one of the largest gambles and risks for her plan was highly unpredictable and unreliable [[PsychopathicManchild Moriarty]] himself. In ''The Reichenbach Fall'' Moriarty had only five minutes together went full force against Sherlock and was willing to discuss the see his nemesis die, which, for obvious reasons, could cancel out plan or they managed of Eurus entirely. She also needed ''Moriarty'' to maintain contact with each other. In the first case, viewers are to assume that they somehow forged very complicated master plan in a very limited amount of time, understood each other perfectly, did not sabotage each other [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness die]] himself and each perfectly implemented their own parts get out of the plan. picture with absolutely no guarantees that any of these events would happen as predicted. In the second case, they managed to elude Mycroft and high-level prison’s security for indefinite amount of time. This includes reconstruction of the Musgrave estate without Mycroft noticing. Both scenarios are also fact, Moriarty seemed content with continuing his games with "ordinary" people. Her whole plan hinged on highly improbable.specific outcomes, typical of any GambitRoulette plans, while for Moriarty postmortem game was just an entertaining ''alternative'' option in his grandiose XanatosGambit.]]
*** [[spoiler: As far as Eurus is concerned, had to be able to somehow discretely and completely [[CompellingVoice brainwash]] all the prison staff without Mycroft or any other top government agent noticing; ''hope'' that Sherlock survives dismantling Moriarty’s network; ''hope'' that he survives a terror attack plot; ''hope'' that his confrontation with extremely dangerous [[TheChessmaster Magnussen]] would not end with Sherlock being destroyed; [[HollywoodHacking hack]] the telecommunication system of Great Britain to distribute Moriarty’s message ''[[ClockKing at the perfectly calculated time]]'' without anyone noticing; leave prison; reconstruct Musgrave estate without Mycroft noticing; seduce John “the Family Man” Watson and ''hope again'' that Sherlock would not see through her disguise as Culverton Smith’s daughter. In each instance chance of failure was as high as it gets with her plan would work only if Sherlock was critically requiring British authorities, as well as her supergenius brothers, to survive ''Reichenbach Fall'' and there was be extremely incompetent for no guarantee ''at all'' that this would be the case. Moriarty went full force against Sherlock and was content with driving his nemesis to suicide and to continue living a life of boredom. For Moriarty postmortem scenario was just an entertaining alternative option in his grandiose XanatosGambit.reason whatsoever.]]
*** [[spoiler: Eurus had to be able to discretely brainwash whole prison into her favor without Mycroft or any other top government agent noticing; ''hope'' that Sherlock survives dismantling Moriarty’s network, survive terror attack plot, ''hope'' that his fight with Magnussen would not end with Sherlock being destroyed; hack whole Great Britain to distribute Moriarty’s message ''at perfectly calculated time'' without anyone noticing for Sherlock to stay in the country; leave prison; seduce John “the Family Man” Watson and ''hope again'' that Sherlock would not see through her disguise as Culverton Smith’s daughter. In each instance chance of failure was as high as it gets.]]
*** [[spoiler: In “The Final Problem” itself her plan required Sherlock, John and Mycroft to [[NoOneShouldSurviveThat survive a grenade explosion at close range]] and infiltrate the prison [[TheAlcatraz highest security island prison]] with a ''very'' high chance of someone being killed or arrested in the process. At prison In the prison, her whole plan hinged hinges entirely on Sherlock, master of SherlockScan, not noticing lack the ''lack of glass between two siblings. glass''. Later trials absolutely required all three men her brothers to suddenly get [[TheWorfEffect dumbed down]] and play by her rules without any [[IndyPloy improvisations]] or [[TakeAThirdOption creative solutions]] or even recognizing her voice Eurus as little girl impersonator. Of course her initial plan does fall apart the moment Sherlock just ignores her rules. It gets worse at the Musgrave estate where her plan falls apart by itself. Overall, the whole plan had success chance as high as 0.0000000000000000000000000001%.]]
1st Feb '17 10:37:33 AM flodoris
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* Chapter 675 of ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' reveals the truth behind [[spoiler: Obito Uchiha becoming the BigBad. Obito's FaceHeelTurn was originally after his childhood crush Rin Nohara died when she was abducted by the Hidden Mist. All of the abductors were being mind-controlled by Madara and Rin herself had an impulse to commit suicide implanted in her mind]]. The entire thing was planned to destroy [[spoiler:Obito]]'s idealism and turn him evil. The fact that [[spoiler:Rin committed suicide via Kakashi]] was a happy coincidence.
** [[spoiler:Black Zetsu's plan to revive Kaguya. First he caused Indra's betrayal of Ashura in order to start the Uchiha-Senju feud. Then he edited the Sage of the Six Paths' tablet in order to make the Uchiha Clan his pawns. Then he watched over both brother's descendants in hopes of finding someone that would be able to awaken the Rinnegan: Madara. From there, he had to rely on Madara creating the Moon Eye Plan in order for his plan to succeed. Nearly every single tragedy Naruto was a result of his actions -- ultimately, Black Zetsu was the true BigBad all along. And guess what? His plan went off without a ''single'' hitch]].

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* Chapter 675 of In ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' Madara Uchiha reveals the truth behind [[spoiler: Obito Uchiha becoming the BigBad. Obito's FaceHeelTurn was originally after his childhood crush Rin Nohara died when she was abducted by the Hidden Mist. All of the abductors were being mind-controlled by Madara and Rin herself had an impulse to commit suicide implanted in her mind]]. mind. The entire thing was planned to destroy [[spoiler:Obito]]'s Obito's idealism and turn him evil. The fact that [[spoiler:Rin Rin committed suicide via Kakashi]] Kakashi was a happy coincidence.
coincidence.]]
** But of course this plan nothing to compared with [[spoiler:Black Zetsu's plan to revive Kaguya. First he caused Indra's betrayal of Ashura in order to start the Uchiha-Senju feud. Then he edited the Sage of the Six Paths' tablet in order to make the Uchiha Clan his pawns. Then he watched over both brother's descendants in hopes of finding someone that would be able to awaken the Rinnegan: Madara. From there, he had to rely on Madara creating the Moon Eye Plan in order for his plan to succeed. Nearly every single tragedy Naruto was a result of his actions -- ultimately, Black Zetsu was the true BigBad all along. And guess what? His plan went off without a ''single'' hitch]].
22nd Jan '17 3:28:11 AM DannWoolf
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* The New 52 Retcons it so that the Joker planned Jason Todd's career as Robin as well as his death. As in before Jason ever met Batman. He somehow knew Bruce would be desperate enough for a new Robin after Dick leaving that he'd take anybody. He also somehow knew that Bruce wouldn't already have someone in mind (this is made worse because, after this story released, [[ComicBook/BatmanAndRobinEternal it was revealed that he did have alternatives he could've picked!]]). He somehow planned for Jason's mom to get hooked on drugs and disppearing. He also planned for Batman to find this random kid boosting the tires off the Batmobile years later, which would ''obviously''' lead to this kid being Robin. Then he planned for Jason to find his mom again in a foreign country, before finally killing him. Never mind that this is ''the Joker'', who has ''never'' demonstrated the ability to make long-term plans, or meticulously plan, to this degree. This story is basically ignored by eveeryone these days.

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* The New 52 Retcons it so that the Joker planned Jason Todd's career as Robin as well as his death. As in before Jason ever met Batman. He somehow knew Bruce would be desperate enough for a new Robin after Dick leaving that he'd take anybody. He also somehow knew that Bruce wouldn't already have someone in mind (this is made worse because, after this story released, [[ComicBook/BatmanAndRobinEternal it was revealed that he did have alternatives he could've picked!]]). He somehow planned for Jason's mom to get hooked on drugs and disppearing.disappearing. He also planned for Batman to find this random kid boosting the tires off the Batmobile years later, which would ''obviously''' lead to this kid being Robin. Then he planned for Jason to find his mom again in a foreign country, before finally killing him. Never mind that this is ''the Joker'', who has ''never'' demonstrated the ability to make long-term plans, or meticulously plan, to this degree. This story is basically ignored by eveeryone these days.
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