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26th May '17 3:04:17 PM New_M
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* ''Franchise/StarWars''
** ''Film/AttackOfTheClones'': Darth Sidious' plan to start the Clone Wars relied on the veteran bounty hunter Jango Fett failing to kill Padmé but being forced to kill his own accomplice and being sloppy enough to leave a clue that would lead a Jedi to the planet Kamino (which nobody in the Jedi Order knew existed due to it being erased from the Jedi Archives), on Obi-Wan having an old friend who ''did'' know Kamino existed, going to Kamino and finding out about the Clone Army, escaping the planet alive after being pursued by Sidious' bounty hunter, and getting captured on Geonosis after discovering the Separatists' hidden base, and on the Senate using his capture as a reason to give the Supreme Chancellor emergency powers and press the "secret" clones into service as the Republic's new army. Apparently, no one in the Republic found it suspicious that they were cloned from the bounty hunter who was hired to kill Padmé; if they did, the plan would have been shot.
26th May '17 10:19:52 AM samitv
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*''Series/SneakyPete'': Many of Marius's schemes rely on people acting or reacting in a way that he has predicted. For example, in a flashback, he impresses Vince with a card trick and then leaves. Eddie is annoyed at him for leaving because they could have conned Vince after that power play, but Marius knows what he's doing. Leaving the joint causes Vince to call him back immediately and get hooked into a big con.
21st May '17 7:58:36 AM Discar
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** Gil is able to work out that a conspiracy against TheEmpire won't be coming after its incapacitated ruler because his being crippled couldn't possibly have been planned by them.

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** Averted when Gil is able to work out that a conspiracy against TheEmpire won't be coming after its incapacitated ruler because his being crippled couldn't possibly have been planned by them.
21st May '17 7:57:46 AM Discar
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* Averted in ''Webcomic/GirlGenius'', where a character is able to work out that a conspiracy against TheEmpire won't be coming after its incapacitated ruler because his being crippled couldn't possibly have been planned by them.

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* Averted in ''Webcomic/GirlGenius'', where a character ''Webcomic/GirlGenius'':
** Gil
is able to work out that a conspiracy against TheEmpire won't be coming after its incapacitated ruler because his being crippled couldn't possibly have been planned by them.them.
** Played with when Klaus theorizes that Agatha's presence on his airship was part of some grand scheme for her to [[spoiler:control Gil Wulfenbach, using the slaver wasp he had already been infected with]]. Gil points out that she didn't plan to be on the ship, and ''they'' were the ones who brought her--unconscious, no less. Klaus claims that it's too much of a coincidence to be a coincidence. However, he is in fact lying [[spoiler:because he has been infected and is being forced to]], and behind him his genius second in command can be seen working through the possibilities and clearly coming to the conclusion that there is no way that what Klaus is saying is right.
20th May '17 3:01:25 PM nombretomado
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* In ''VampireTheMasqueradeBloodlines'', Smilin' Jack runs one of these. To make a long story short, he replaces the Ancient sleeping inside the Anarkhan Sarcophagus with half a ton of C4 in an attempt to assassinate Prince [=LaCroix=]. His method of achieving this is... complicated.

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* In ''VampireTheMasqueradeBloodlines'', ''VideoGame/VampireTheMasqueradeBloodlines'', Smilin' Jack runs one of these. To make a long story short, he replaces the Ancient sleeping inside the Anarkhan Sarcophagus with half a ton of C4 in an attempt to assassinate Prince [=LaCroix=]. His method of achieving this is... complicated.
20th May '17 11:51:05 AM Kazmahu
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* A lot of [[BigBad Hazama/Terumi's]] plans come off this way in the ''VideoGame/BlazBlue'' series, but it's justified. Having lived through countless [[GroundhogDayLoop time loops]] and being able to force Nine to look into other possible outcomes, he knows the outcome before rolling the dice. Particularly, [[spoiler:with the time loop broken at the end of the third game and Nine free of his control, he promptly loses all control of the his schemes and has to resort to breaking personal taboos and brute-strengthing the situation.]]
17th May '17 8:57:21 AM Triscon42
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** It was also not the first plan; [[GodzillaThreshold quite the opposite]]. He'd been trying for months to find some other method without any luck and eventually ran out of time, forcing him to take a massive gamble.
14th May '17 7:12:50 AM xneon
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* ''Franchise/{{Batman}}'': The New 52 Retcons it so that the Joker planned Jason Todd's career as Robin as well as his death. As in before Jason ever met Batman. He somehow knew Bruce would be desperate enough for a new Robin after Dick leaving that he'd take anybody. He also somehow knew that Bruce wouldn't already have someone in mind (this is made worse because, after this story released, [[ComicBook/BatmanAndRobinEternal it was revealed that he did have alternatives he could've picked!]]). He somehow planned for Jason's mom to get hooked on drugs and disappearing. He also planned for Batman to find this random kid boosting the tires off the Batmobile years later, which would ''obviously''' lead to this kid being Robin. Then he planned for Jason to find his mom again in a foreign country, before finally killing him. Never mind that this is ''the Joker'', who has ''never'' demonstrated the ability to make long-term plans, or meticulously plan, to this degree. This story is basically ignored by eveeryone these days.

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* ''Franchise/{{Batman}}'': The New 52 Retcons it so that the Joker planned Jason Todd's career as Robin as well as his death. As in before Jason ever met Batman. He somehow knew Bruce would be desperate enough for a new Robin after Dick leaving that he'd take anybody. He also somehow knew that Bruce wouldn't already have someone in mind (this is made worse because, after this story released, [[ComicBook/BatmanAndRobinEternal it was revealed that he did have alternatives he could've picked!]]). He somehow planned for Jason's mom to get hooked on drugs and disappearing. He also planned for Batman to find this random kid boosting the tires off the Batmobile years later, which would ''obviously''' lead to this kid being Robin. Then he planned for Jason to find his mom again in a foreign country, before finally killing him. Never mind that this is ''the Joker'', who has ''never'' demonstrated the ability to make long-term plans, or meticulously plan, to this degree. This story is basically ignored by eveeryone everyone these days.
23rd Apr '17 3:12:47 PM Golondrina
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** [[JerkWithAHeartOfJerk Mike]] pulls this off routinely in both Shortpacked and DumbingOfAge. Often times he will do something innocuous or [[http://www.dumbingofage.com/2012/comic/book-2/01-pajama-jeans/asshole/ plain friendly]] only to see it be [[http://www.dumbingofage.com/2012/comic/book-2/05-saturdays-all-right-for-slighting/wearing/ all]] [[http://www.dumbingofage.com/2012/comic/book-2/05-saturdays-all-right-for-slighting/no/ according]] [[http://www.dumbingofage.com/2012/comic/book-2/05-saturdays-all-right-for-slighting/moms/ to]] [[http://www.dumbingofage.com/2012/comic/book-2/05-saturdays-all-right-for-slighting/thank/ plan.]]

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** [[JerkWithAHeartOfJerk Mike]] pulls this off routinely in both Shortpacked ''Webcomic/{{Shortpacked}}'' and DumbingOfAge.''Webcomic/DumbingOfAge''. Often times he will do something innocuous or [[http://www.dumbingofage.com/2012/comic/book-2/01-pajama-jeans/asshole/ plain friendly]] only to see it be [[http://www.dumbingofage.com/2012/comic/book-2/05-saturdays-all-right-for-slighting/wearing/ all]] [[http://www.dumbingofage.com/2012/comic/book-2/05-saturdays-all-right-for-slighting/no/ according]] [[http://www.dumbingofage.com/2012/comic/book-2/05-saturdays-all-right-for-slighting/moms/ to]] [[http://www.dumbingofage.com/2012/comic/book-2/05-saturdays-all-right-for-slighting/thank/ plan.]]
23rd Apr '17 1:03:21 PM nombretomado
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* In the fifth season of ''[[WesternAnimation/TMNT2003 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles]]'' (2003), it was revealed that every event in the series until then -- the Shredder's rise to power, Hamato Yoshi's death, the creation of the turtles, etc. -- had all been allowed to occur as part of a plan to [[spoiler: kill the demon Shredder]].

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* In the fifth season of ''[[WesternAnimation/TMNT2003 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles]]'' (2003), ''WesternAnimation/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2003'', it was revealed that every event in the series until then -- the Shredder's rise to power, Hamato Yoshi's death, the creation of the turtles, etc. -- had all been allowed to occur as part of a plan to [[spoiler: kill the demon Shredder]].
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