History Main / FullCircleRevolution

14th May '17 9:42:42 AM nombretomado
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8th May '17 11:03:01 AM SullenFrog
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* In ''VisualNovel/{{Sunrider}}'', PACT may have started out as a populist revolution against the oppressive [[TheEmpire New Empire]], but by the time the game begins their leader has gone from a benevolent revolutionary to a megalomaniacal dictator with a cult of personality and PACT as a whole has become just as bad as the government they overthrew. If nothing else the Empire was content to sit within its own borders, while PACT is aggressively expanding into the Neutral Rim and forcing independent planets to join by nuking their cities from orbit.
5th May '17 1:41:52 PM ironballs16
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* This is what you're meant to avoid in ''VideoGame/{{Tropico}}'', as you're (currently) the one in charge of your island.
1st May '17 10:15:49 AM jamespolk
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* ''Literature/TheSympathizer'': The narrator is a Vietnamese Communist spy working for the North Vietnamese who, through a series of complicated events, winds up in a Communist prison being tortured for a year. He contemplates how things came to this.
--> “....I understood, at last, how our revolution had gone from being the vanguard of political change to the rearguard hoarding power. In this transformation, we were not unusual. Hadn’t the French and the Americans done exactly the same? Once revolutionaries themselves, they had become imperialists, colonizing and occupying our defiant little land, taking away our freedom in the name of saving us. Our revolution took considerably longer than theirs, and was considerably bloodier, but we made up for lost time. When it came to learning the worst habits of our French masters and their American replacements, we quickly proved ourselves the best.”
15th Apr '17 2:55:34 PM JulianLapostat
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* UsefulNotes/{{India}} is TheLargestDemocracy and certainly one of the very few truly successful post-colonial states in terms of maintaining and building liberal institutions after an anti-colonialist revolt and agitation. Of course certain patterns tend to recur nonetheless.
** Since independence, Indian politics has mostly been shaped either directly or overtly by the Gandhi-Nehru family. Which contrary to appearances is not a blood-relative to UsefulNotes/MahatmaGandhi (Gandhi is actually a common surname). Three of Independent India's Prime Ministers, ruling collectively for nearly thirty four years come from this dynasty (Jawaharlal Nehru, Indira Gandhi, Rajiv Gandhi), two of whom have been assassinated. The family's de-facto leading the Congress party concluded even after it no longer put active family members in power. Dynastic politics and nepotism is so common in India that many have compared it to the Pre-Colonial Feudalism in modern dress, with a quarter of India's Parliament coming from a few top families who are also connected to business and other landholding interests, with many of them acting and living like Princes and royal families.
** Many saw the famous Indian Emergency as India becoming a dictatorship under Indira Gandhi, but after a year which saw mass arrests of her political opponents, draconian policies enforced by her son Sanjay Gandhi, she called off the Emergency and called for elections which she lost to the Janata Party (the predecessor to the much more right-wing BJP). But the latter collapsed in government and Indira Gandhi despite being controversial managed to get re-elected for a second term, which lasted until her assassination, with many seeing her re-election as a reversal of the anti-Emergency protest movement and loss of its gains.
** From the point of view of India's tribal population, the new Indian state is more or less another exploiter taking over their land to harvest its mineral wealth to better serve the interests of some distantly dwelling cities, much like All-India's status during British colonialism. Likewise, many of the colonial era laws and institutions are still enforced in India, with some of them, such as a homophobic law only recently being challenged and stricken down. India has also faced separatist movements, some of which are ongoing, who cite abuses and brutally crushed rebellions as justifications for wanting independence from India, similar as some critics have pointed out, to claims made by India against the British.


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** Since the end of UsefulNotes/ImperialJapan, modern Japan has largely been governed by the Liberal Democratic Party, which contrary to its name is actually a conservative party that was led and supported by the same individuals who supported Imperial Japan and its policies. With the exception of brief 3 year periods in the 90s and the 2000s, no other Japanese party has been able to contend its majority, and the current President and leader of the party, Shinzo Abe is the grandson of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobusuke_Kishi Nobusuke_Kishi]] who was detained and classified as a Type-A War Criminal.
15th Apr '17 2:23:59 PM JulianLapostat
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* One of the main themes of ''Film/TheLeopard'': the Sicilian aristocracy aligns themselves with Garibaldi to ensure they maintain power, even after the monarchy is overthrown and Italy unified. Count Tancredi, who actually joins Garibalid's army, remarks that "In order for everything to remain the same, everything will have to change."
* Another Italian film, Gillo Pontecorvo's ''Burn!'', features Creator/MarlonBrando as a British agent inciting a slave rebellion on a Portuguese-held island in the Caribbean circa 1800. Brando convinces the island's planter class to join the revolution, usurping power from the slaves. Within a few years, the island is a British protectorate whose government has reinstated slavery. Brando's character is recalled, this time to ''suppress'' a slave rebellion led by the same rebels.

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* One of the main themes of Creator/LuchinoVisconti's ''Film/TheLeopard'': the Sicilian aristocracy aligns themselves with Garibaldi to ensure they maintain power, even after the monarchy is overthrown and Italy unified.unified and largely run by the Northern bourgeoisie. Count Tancredi, who actually joins Garibalid's army, remarks that "In order for everything to remain the same, everything will have to change."
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* Another Italian film, Gillo Pontecorvo's ''Burn!'', features Creator/MarlonBrando as a British agent inciting a slave rebellion on a Portuguese-held island in the Caribbean circa 1800. Brando convinces the island's planter class to join the revolution, usurping power from the slaves. Within a few years, the island is a British protectorate whose government has reinstated slavery. Brando's character is recalled, this time to ''suppress'' a slave rebellion led by the same rebels. The film has much AnachronismStew and ArtisticLicenseHistory drawing from multiple historical sources.



* The RealLife English "Revolution" following the execution of [[UsefulNotes/TheHouseOfStuart Charles I]] had a bit of this going on. Most of the radical actions taken by the top figures such as UsefulNotes/OliverCromwell were a result of religious conviction. Cromwell himself caught plenty of stick for not wishing to execute the King before the Second Civil War changed his mind.

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* The RealLife English "Revolution" following of the UsefulNotes/EnglishCivilWar followed the execution of [[UsefulNotes/TheHouseOfStuart Charles I]] had a bit of this going on. Most with the replacement of the radical actions taken by monarchy with the top figures such as UsefulNotes/OliverCromwell were a result of religious conviction.Lord Protector UsefulNotes/OliverCromwell. Cromwell himself caught plenty of stick for not wishing to execute the King before the Second Civil War changed his mind.



** Politically all this is true, but on a deeper level many things had changed. The Civil War strengthened the power of Parliament and led to the creation of the British Army, some of Cromwell's decrees such as bringing Jews back to England were quite positive. After the Restoration of Charles II, the Stuart dynasty was toppled in the 1688 Glorious Revolution which consolidated the power of Parliament permanently. Globally, the Civil War inspired UsefulNotes/LouisXIV to become an absolute monarch and start a top-down revolution in France to destroy feudalism and initiate the start of a more centralized kingdom and nation-state.

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** Politically all this is true, but on a deeper level many things had changed. The Civil War strengthened the power of Parliament and led to the creation of the British Army, some of Cromwell's decrees such as bringing Jews back to England were quite positive. After the Restoration of Charles II, the Stuart dynasty was toppled in the 1688 Glorious Revolution which consolidated the power of Parliament permanently. Globally, the Civil War inspired UsefulNotes/LouisXIV to become an absolute monarch and start a top-down revolution in France to destroy feudalism and initiate the start of a more centralized kingdom and nation-state. So in the short-term, things seemed to have reversed but in the long-term things had changed, albeit not in ways that anyone on the ground fathomed at the time.



** To say nothing of practically ''every presidential administration since independence''. Here's how it goes:
*** Candidate runs for president and promises to end the corruption and abuses of the sitting administration.
*** Candidate is elected President.
*** New President, in seeking to stay in power, pursues actions that could be construed as corrupt, incompetent, or repressive (and often a combination of all three). [[note]]Public sentiment turned against sitting Presidents so quickly that during the Third Republic, no President ever won reelection to the second term allowed him by the 1935 Constitution, until Ferdinand Marcos, the would-be dictator, broke the trend in 1969.[[/note]]
*** New Candidate arises and runs for president, promising to end the corruption and abuses of the sitting administration.
*** And so on ''ad nauseam''.

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** To say nothing of practically ''every presidential administration since independence''. Here's how it goes:
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goes: Candidate runs for president and promises to end the corruption and abuses of the sitting administration.
***
administration -- Candidate is elected President.
***
President -- New President, in seeking to stay in power, pursues actions that could be construed as corrupt, incompetent, or repressive (and often a combination of all three). [[note]]Public sentiment turned against sitting Presidents so quickly that during the Third Republic, no President ever won reelection to the second term allowed him by the 1935 Constitution, until Ferdinand Marcos, the would-be dictator, broke the trend in 1969.[[/note]]
***
[[/note]] -- New Candidate arises and runs for president, promising to end the corruption and abuses of the sitting administration.
***
administration. -- And so on ''ad nauseam''.



* This trope even exists in healthy democracies, where the ballot is meant to stand in place of the bullet. Many times, an immensely unpopular government has been swept out by an opposition whose rhetoric plays into a mass popular desire for genuine reform, only for the ''former'' opposition, once empowered, to maintain their predecessors' policies without substantial change.
** Some conspiracy theorists claim that this is the result of secret societies maintaining the façade of free elections while making sure that the status quo is preserved. For example, in the US, it's claimed that the two-party system and the Electoral College are two such mechanisms of control.
* This is what happened with Iran: the US-supported brutal monarchy of the Shah was overthrown by a revolution that brought immense hopes of independence and justice. Then [[GoneHorriblyWrong the Islamists came out on top of the revolution and imposed Islamic law]].

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* This trope even exists Even in healthy democracies, where the ballot is meant to stand in place of the bullet. Many times, an immensely unpopular government has been swept out by an opposition whose rhetoric plays into a mass bullet, parties and candidates promise sweeping reforms, whip up much popular desire for genuine reform, enthusiasm, only for the ''former'' opposition, once empowered, to maintain their predecessors' policies without substantial change.
** Some
change, providing fodder for conspiracy theorists claim that this is the result who see it as evidence of parties and institutions being part of secret societies maintaining societies. [[MundaneSolution Marxists and political scientists see this]] as standard operating procedure for bargain-basement bourgeois capitalist democracy, reforms will always claim to be more sweeping in theory than it proves to be in practise, with at best only incremental changes, so as to better preserve pre-existing institutions and norms (political scientist view) and defend property and vested interests (Marxist). In actual practise, there are visible, tangible, practical changes and actual lasting policy achievements [[RealityEnsues but nobody gets elected by promising moderate goals with realistic expectations]].
** In UsefulNotes/{{France}}, President Francois Mitterand became
the façade first major Left-Wing President of free elections while making sure the Fifth Republic, coming to power with a wide backing by left-liberals, socialists and communists. In the early years of his tenure, he actually put forth many leftist policies, increased taxation on wealth, and improved social services. But then the backlash with capital flight and the global turn to neoliberalism, the discrediting of the USSR which had an effect of discrediting even social democratic views, made him turn towards austerity, reduced taxes on wealth and in a way foreshadow the third-way turn that the status quo is preserved. For example, in the US, it's claimed that the two-party system American Democrats and the Electoral College are two such mechanisms British Labour would follow under Clinton and Tony Blair, albeit while still preserving far more social democratic measures than his Anglo-Saxon counterparts. It however made him a controversial figure in the French left with everyone seeing him as either a traitor or a SellOut, and since then, no left-wing President has come to power, giving way to Centrists or Center-Right politicians, culminating in Francois Hollande who was seen as an improvement on the unpopular Nicholas Sarkozy but more or less confirmed the same policies of control.
his predecessor.
** The election of Tony Blair brought the Labour Party back to power after more than a decade of the Conservative Party at Downing Street. It was accompanied by much joy and cheer among the English Left. That joy soured with [[MeetTheNewBoss "New" Labour]] which largely continued and extended Thatcher-era under Blair, his hand-in-glove support of the American Government during TheWarOnTerror, much in-fighting and bitterness among the English Left. Most notably the playwright Harold Pinter admitted to regretting voting for Blair upon seeing him authorize support for the Iraq War. Indeed on the death of UsefulNotes/MargaretThatcher, Tony Blair admitted that he saw his job as merely building on the latter's policies. Critics however got supremely upset with New Labour that they were voted out by the Conservative Party after the failure of Blair's successor Gordon Ministry and Labour is now led by Jeremy Corbyn, a highly controversial figure whose views were considered fringe and far-left by the Blair-Gordon faction.
** UsefulNotes/BillClinton like Blair, brought the Left back to power after 12 years of Conservative rule. In his campaign and in his First Term, Clinton identified himself as a moderate with a focus on the economy, and even used Reagan's campaign slogan [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Make_America_Great_Again Make America Great Again]]. So Clinton's whole platform was a pivot against the Democrat's New Deal-LBJ legacy, and on coming to office, he made the Democrats focus on the professional class and likewise confirmed Reagan's NAFTA trade deal and more or less increased the deregulation and the fading away of welfare programs (described by Clinton as "the end of welfare as we have come to know it"). Of course towards the end, he did plan on bringing back old Democratic programs, including a Health Care proposal that was defeated by Congress.
* This is what happened with Iran: the US-supported brutal monarchy of the Shah was overthrown by a revolution that brought immense hopes of independence and justice. Then [[GoneHorriblyWrong the Islamists came out on top of the revolution and imposed Islamic law]].law]] and imposed TheTheocracy.



** There is a proverb in Chinese, roughly translated as "only a madman celebrates the accession of a new dynasty", implying that nothing will change and it will be oppression as usual.
** It all makes sense if you believe in "intercalendary" dynasties.

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** There is a proverb in Chinese, roughly translated as "only a madman celebrates the accession of a new dynasty", implying that nothing will change and it will be oppression as usual.
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usual. It all makes sense if you believe in "intercalendary" dynasties.



** New dynasties were pretty good about trying to rectify the problems of the former dynasty, rebuilding the charitable granaries, lending support to farmers, and making the land bloom so everyone could have big, happy families and what not. It worked great... for about the 250 years or so it took for the country to become terribly overpopulated, then it was Malthusian crises all over again. Oops.
** This was all enforced by China's geography, China's massive river systems are extremely vulnerable to flooding, and an ineffective government would lead to broken levy's and environmental disasters which were easy to perceive as divine punishment.

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** New dynasties were pretty good about trying to rectify the problems of the former dynasty, rebuilding the charitable granaries, lending support to farmers, and making the land bloom so everyone could have big, happy families and what not. It worked great... for about the 250 years or so it took for the country to become terribly overpopulated, then it was Malthusian crises all over again. Oops.
**
This was all enforced by China's geography, China's massive river systems are extremely vulnerable to flooding, and an ineffective government would lead to broken levy's and environmental disasters which were easy to perceive as divine punishment.



** Transition starts to take place, with a parliament elected late 2011 and president elected late 2012. However, at the same time as the election, parliament gets dissolved and the military gives itself most important legal powers.
** The president (Morsi, associated with the Muslim Brotherhood) fires a bunch of military leaders, but also gives himself a large number of powers. Also starts working on a new constitution, which appears to give his own group too much power in an attempt to turn Egypt into a fundamentalist Islamic state.

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** Transition starts to take place, with a parliament elected late 2011 and president elected late 2012. However, at the same time as the election, parliament gets dissolved and the military gives itself most important legal powers.
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powers. The president (Morsi, associated with the Muslim Brotherhood) fires a bunch of military leaders, but also gives himself a large number of powers. Also starts working on a new constitution, which appears to give his own group too much power in an attempt to turn Egypt into a fundamentalist Islamic state.



* FidelCastro became just as much of a usurping despot as his predecessor FulgencioBatista, who overthrew the ineffective Carlos Prío Socarrás. In fact, he has killed and driven out far more than Batista ever did.

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* FidelCastro UsefulNotes/FidelCastro became just as much of a usurping despot as his predecessor FulgencioBatista, who overthrew the ineffective Carlos Prío Socarrás. In fact, he has killed and driven out far more than Batista ever did.did, albeit for the reason that he has ruled for far longer than Batista or indeed any other political leader before him.



* UsefulNotes/ThomasJefferson believed that, to avert this trope, every nineteen years America needed to repeal every law on the books and hold a new Constitutional convention in order to adapt to the times and avoid becoming ossified.



** That said, it must be noted on a social level, there wasn't a great deal of difference pre-and-post Revolution America. Votes were restricted to property owners, women were denied the vote, slavery continued for nearly another hundred years, though some of the states in the post-Revolutionary period abolished slavery within state lines and the slave trade was itself abolished. Changes happened gradually after that step-by-step. Some historians have considered the UsefulNotes/AmericanCivilWar the "Second American Revolution" because it changed American society far more comprehensively and decisively than the first Revolution, namely in the manner in which it solidified and preserved the Union, likewise implicitly codifying America as a national ideal on a broader scale.
** However, the 'alien and sedition' act, and the 'crush of whiskey' rebellion had this.
** It was also called the "Second American Revolution" when power was first peacefully handed over from one party to another when UsefulNotes/ThomasJefferson was elected, again averting this trope. It is quite possible that the reason why the US did not devolve into a full-scale example of this trope is because of its unique federal system, where the vast majority of laws were enacted at the state level, which allowed the different groups (the pre-Industrial North, the agricultural South, and the merchant ports of New York and Philadelphia) to make a majority of the changes that they each thought the Revolution was about and only have those changes affect that particular group. Thus, they didn't have to fight over every little thing among themselves (not that that stopped them on the national level). They were able to live with their differences until a few hot button issues (taxation and slavery) became too much to ignore.

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** That said, it must be noted on On a social level, there wasn't a great deal of difference pre-and-post Revolution America. Votes were restricted to property owners, owners (just as it did in Parliamentary Britain), women were denied the vote, vote (just as it did in Parliamentary Britain), slavery continued for nearly another hundred years, though some of the states in the post-Revolutionary period abolished slavery within state lines and the slave trade was itself abolished. Changes happened gradually after that step-by-step. abolished, while the British abolished the slave trade in 1807 and then slavery in 1833. Some historians have considered the UsefulNotes/AmericanCivilWar the "Second American Revolution" because it changed American society far more comprehensively and decisively than the first Revolution, namely in for defining American democracy to be a purer embodiment of the manner in which it solidified and preserved ideals of the Union, likewise implicitly Declaration of Independence by abolishing slavery, as well as codifying America as a national ideal ideal.
** From the view of the Native Americans and the Canadians, the new government was no improvement
on Great Britain and in a broader scale.
** However,
lot of ways quite the opposite. The policies of Western Expansion being an explicit motivation and justification for UsefulNotes/TheWarOf1812, which also involved a plan to expand Northwards and annex Canada, with this time, the latter repelling the invading Americans. Likewise, loyalists who supported Great Britian were forced off their property, with some amounts of violence (albeit not a great deal, and not out of organized policy) directed at them, many of them went to Canada to settle themselves. Likewise, there was controversial legislation like the 'alien and sedition' act, act and the 'crush of whiskey' whiskey rebellion had this.
** It was also called
(led by unpaid veterans of the American Revolution).
** UsefulNotes/ThomasJefferson believed that, to avert this trope, every nineteen years America needed to repeal every law on the books and hold a new Constitutional convention in order to adapt to the times and avoid becoming ossified. The phrase
"Second American Revolution" was used when power was first peacefully handed over from one party to another when UsefulNotes/ThomasJefferson was elected, again averting this trope. It elected. Of course for many people, Jefferson is quite possible that the reason why emblematic representative of the US did not devolve into a full-scale example failures of this trope is because of its unique federal system, where the vast majority American Revolution, since he wrote "all men are created equal" and voiced support for abolitionism, tentatively, in his youth while eventually becoming a slaveowner and a defender and representative of laws were enacted at the state level, which allowed South's plantation class.
** To African-Americans,
the different groups (the pre-Industrial North, end of Reconstruction after the agricultural South, Civil War and the merchant ports rise of New York Jim Crow after the election of 1876 became this. Reconstruction saw many advances and Philadelphia) gains for freedmen and saw expansion and franchise of African-American voting rights, leading to make a majority black senators, congressmen and elected civil officials who faced violent revanchist backlash from the South, leading to the rise of the changes UsefulNotes/KuKluxKlan and other white gangs that they each thought attacked African-Americans at voting booths. It would take another 90 years before the Revolution was about UsefulNotes/CivilRightsMovement once again tried to honor and only have those changes affect that particular group. Thus, they didn't have to fight over every little thing among themselves (not that that stopped them on revive the national level). They were able to live with their differences until a few hot button issues (taxation and slavery) became too much to ignore.Reconstruction era policies.
15th Apr '17 1:16:40 PM Chabal2
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* And yet another (starting to sense a pattern here?): An old woman asks her granddaughter what Communism is, since she hears young people talking about it all the time. "Well grandmother, once we have Communism there will be enough food for everyone, the shops will be full of goods, and our country will be respected by the entire world!" "Ah, I see! Just like under the tsar!"
10th Apr '17 8:23:02 AM ayjazz
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* [[UsefulNotes/{{Anarchism}} Anarcho-primitivist]] writer Kevin Tucker argues in his essay, ''[[https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/kevin-tucker-the-failure-of-revolution The Failure of Revolution]]'', that ''all'' political revolutions are doomed to become this, because of the nature of human civilization and its inherent need to have power and control over the people within it in order to maintain itself.
4th Apr '17 2:14:59 AM TheWildWestPyro
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** Earlier books such as ''Broken Ear'' would depict Alcazar and Tapioca committing ''multiple'' coups on a ''daily'' basis against each other, running this straight into RevolvingDoorRevolution territory.

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** Earlier books such as ''Broken Ear'' would depict Alcazar and Tapioca committing ''multiple'' coups on a ''daily'' basis against each other, running this straight into RevolvingDoorRevolution territory. ''Picadors'' also reveals that Alcazar and Tapioca's shared desire for executing opposition has practically become a ''cultural tradition'' in San Theodoros, leading to a funny moment where both men grumble about how Tintin and the younger generation have no respect for the oldest customs.
3rd Apr '17 5:17:57 PM WiseMan23753
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* ''Anime/{{Rideback}}'' had the Global Government Plan (or Global Government Force in the original manga), which was a fascist military organization that fought the ''United States'' in protest against American interventionism. After an incident in Arizona, with the combined might of the titular MiniMecha and foreign support, they replaced the U.S. as the main superpower. Due to its heavy military background, it easily became an oppressive militaristic NGOSuperpower that meddled with political affairs of other countries. Even before this happened, there were already defectors who formed a new group called the Border Military Alliance, which the main protagonists get caught up in.

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* ''Anime/{{Rideback}}'' had the Global Government Plan (or Global Government Force in the original manga), which was a fascist military organization that fought the ''United States'' in protest rebellion against American interventionism. After an incident in Arizona, with the combined might of the titular MiniMecha and foreign support, they replaced the U.S. as the main superpower. Due to its heavy military background, it easily became an oppressive militaristic NGOSuperpower that meddled with political affairs of other countries. Even before this happened, there were already defectors who formed a new group called the Border Military Alliance, which the main protagonists get caught up in.


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* ''FanFic/CrossAngeFutatsuSekaiNoBorder''
** A case of RealityEnsues in the aftermath of the original ''Anime/CrossAnge''. Although Mana users can no longer distinct themselves from Norma, the Norma still haven't forgotten the excessive cruelty they received, nor have they recovered their sanity. With exceptions like Sylvia's group and the Kingdom of Rosenblum, every place else is not without sadistic Norma who savagely slaughter entire settlements. A cruel irony where oppressors and erstwhile victims have traded places.
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