History Main / FullCircleRevolution

8th Dec '16 2:58:25 PM Jhonny
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** However, the Republic struggled for legitimacy since they were often divided between persecuting both the Communists and the Reactionaries. The circumstances of its formation (ShockingDefeatLegacy, massive loss of territory, seemingly endless economic problems) never went away, and when TheGreatDepression arrived, and hit Germany especially bad. The mood was ripe enough, the opposition was divided enough, that they ''willingly voted'' for an outright dictatorship[[note]]Albeit Hitler only won with a slim margin and even that he managed via coalition with other parties and the 1933 elections were already conducted in a climate of intimidation with brownshirts as "associate police", which if it happened today would lead to international observers bemoaning "irregularities"[[/note]] that was far more autocratic than the Kaisers ever were and didn't even attempt to hide its disdain for even the pre-war pretend democracy. Ater UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, East Germany split apart from West Germany because they saw the leadership filled with too many ex-Nazis and became a Communist state, and they ended up becoming a Communist dictatorship with mass surveillance and repression. UsefulNotes/TheBonnRepublic averted this however, as well as United Germany.

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** However, the Republic struggled for legitimacy since they were often divided between persecuting both the Communists and the Reactionaries. The circumstances of its formation (ShockingDefeatLegacy, massive loss of territory, seemingly endless economic problems) never went away, and when TheGreatDepression arrived, and hit Germany especially bad. The mood was ripe enough, the opposition was divided enough, that they ''willingly voted'' for an outright dictatorship[[note]]Albeit Hitler only won with a slim margin and even that he managed via coalition with other parties and the 1933 elections were already conducted in a climate of intimidation with brownshirts as "associate police", which if it happened today would lead to international observers bemoaning "irregularities"[[/note]] that was far more autocratic than the Kaisers ever were and didn't even attempt to hide its disdain for even the pre-war pretend democracy. Ater UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, East Germany split apart from West Germany because they saw the leadership filled with too many ex-Nazis and became a Communist state, and they ended up becoming a Communist dictatorship with mass surveillance and repression. UsefulNotes/TheBonnRepublic averted this however, as well as United Germany. However, the GDR did point out - rightly - that many Nazis had gotten off ''very'' lightly and some were even in positions of power in West Germany.
8th Dec '16 2:57:14 PM Jhonny
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** After the war, Germany faced an actual revolution again, which forced the Kaiser to abdicate with Germany being declared a Republic, starting a dispute between Social Democrats and Communists. A Communist Revolution with some support from German workers and sailors broke out, (inspired by UsefulNotes/RedOctober) and this led to the formation of a Bavarian Soviet, led by Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht[[note]]Both of them were orthodox Marxists and rather critical of UsefulNotes/VladimirLenin, who to his credit, respected them enough to agree-to-disagree[[/note]]. However, this faced a huge backlash and conservative Freikorps brutally suppressed them, and dumped Luxemburg's body in Berlin's Landswehr Canal, and this led many reactionaries to finally agree to a "real democracy" if only to keep the Commies from taking over.
** However, the Republic struggled for legitimacy since they were often divided between persecuting both the Communists and the Reactionaries. The circumstances of its formation (ShockingDefeatLegacy, massive loss of territory, seemingly endless economic problems) never went away, and when TheGreatDepression arrived, and hit Germany especially bad. The mood was ripe enough, the opposition was divided enough, that they ''willingly voted'' for an outright dictatorship[[note]]Albeit Hitler only won with a slim margin and even that he managed via coalition with other parties[[/note]] that was far more autocratic than the Kaisers ever were and didn't even attempt to hide its disdain for even the pre-war pretend democracy. Ater UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, East Germany split apart from West Germany because they saw the leadership filled with too many ex-Nazis and became a Communist state, and they ended up becoming a Communist dictatorship with mass surveillance and repression. UsefulNotes/TheBonnRepublic averted this however, as well as United Germany.

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** After the war, Germany faced an actual revolution again, which forced the Kaiser to abdicate with Germany being declared a Republic, starting a dispute between Social Democrats and Communists. A Communist Revolution with some support from German workers and sailors broke out, (inspired by UsefulNotes/RedOctober) and this led to the formation of a Bavarian Soviet, Soviet led by Kurt Eisner, who was killed when he tried to resign after he lost the election. The communists in Berlin were led by Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht[[note]]Both of them were orthodox Marxists and rather critical of UsefulNotes/VladimirLenin, who to his credit, respected them enough to agree-to-disagree[[/note]]. However, this faced a huge backlash and conservative Freikorps brutally suppressed them, and dumped Luxemburg's body in Berlin's Landswehr Canal, and this led many reactionaries to finally agree to a "real democracy" if only to keep the Commies from taking over.
** However, the Republic struggled for legitimacy since they were often divided between persecuting both the Communists and the Reactionaries. The circumstances of its formation (ShockingDefeatLegacy, massive loss of territory, seemingly endless economic problems) never went away, and when TheGreatDepression arrived, and hit Germany especially bad. The mood was ripe enough, the opposition was divided enough, that they ''willingly voted'' for an outright dictatorship[[note]]Albeit Hitler only won with a slim margin and even that he managed via coalition with other parties[[/note]] parties and the 1933 elections were already conducted in a climate of intimidation with brownshirts as "associate police", which if it happened today would lead to international observers bemoaning "irregularities"[[/note]] that was far more autocratic than the Kaisers ever were and didn't even attempt to hide its disdain for even the pre-war pretend democracy. Ater UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, East Germany split apart from West Germany because they saw the leadership filled with too many ex-Nazis and became a Communist state, and they ended up becoming a Communist dictatorship with mass surveillance and repression. UsefulNotes/TheBonnRepublic averted this however, as well as United Germany.
8th Dec '16 6:22:45 AM Doug86
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** However, the Republic struggled for legitimacy since they were often divided between persecuting both the Communists and the Reactionaries. The circumstances of its formation (ShockingDefeatLegacy, massive loss of territory, seemingly endless economic problems) never went away, and when TheGreatDepression arrived, and hit Germany especially bad. The mood was ripe enough, the opposition was divided enough, that they ''willingly voted'' for an outright dictatorship[[note]]Albeit Hitler only won with a slim margin and even that he managed via coalition with other parties[[/note]] that was far more autocratic than the Kaisers ever were and didn't even attempt to hide its disdain for even the pre-war pretend democracy. Ater WorldWarII, East Germany split apart from West Germany because they saw the leadership filled with too many ex-Nazis and became a Communist state, and they ended up becoming a Communist dictatorship with mass surveillance and repression. UsefulNotes/TheBonnRepublic averted this however, as well as United Germany.

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** However, the Republic struggled for legitimacy since they were often divided between persecuting both the Communists and the Reactionaries. The circumstances of its formation (ShockingDefeatLegacy, massive loss of territory, seemingly endless economic problems) never went away, and when TheGreatDepression arrived, and hit Germany especially bad. The mood was ripe enough, the opposition was divided enough, that they ''willingly voted'' for an outright dictatorship[[note]]Albeit Hitler only won with a slim margin and even that he managed via coalition with other parties[[/note]] that was far more autocratic than the Kaisers ever were and didn't even attempt to hide its disdain for even the pre-war pretend democracy. Ater WorldWarII, UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, East Germany split apart from West Germany because they saw the leadership filled with too many ex-Nazis and became a Communist state, and they ended up becoming a Communist dictatorship with mass surveillance and repression. UsefulNotes/TheBonnRepublic averted this however, as well as United Germany.
25th Nov '16 4:10:44 AM RaritastheWeeabooHunter
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** This, in fact, is what happened during the People Power "Revolution" in 1986—the Marcos regime was ousted from office after fourteen years of martial law, but in some ways this was like a restoration of the old, pre-1972 order—almost all of the post-Marcos politicians belong to the [[GenerationXerox same families]] [[HereditaryRepublic that occupied the government before Marcos took power]]. A good analogy would be if the dispossessed Russian oligarchy overthrew Stalin via ostensibly peaceful means—and reinstated the Tsarist autocracy in Moscow.

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** This, in fact, is what happened during the People Power "Revolution" in 1986—the Marcos regime was ousted from office five years after fourteen years the lifting of martial law, but in some ways this was like a restoration of the old, pre-1972 order—almost all of the post-Marcos politicians belong to the [[GenerationXerox same families]] [[HereditaryRepublic that occupied the government before Marcos took power]]. A good analogy would be if the dispossessed Russian oligarchy overthrew Stalin via ostensibly peaceful means—and reinstated the Tsarist autocracy in Moscow.
24th Nov '16 6:42:53 PM ImpudentInfidel
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** ''Franchise/DragonAge'' seems to have a hard-on for this trope in general. Thedas history can pretty much be summed up as: "Yesterday's oppressed became today's oppressors." After [[spoiler:Solas sealed away the Evanuris to free the elves]], [[TheMagocracy Tevinter]] sprang up and enslaved [[EnslavedElves all elves]] and [[TheEmpire most of the known world]]. After [[CrystalDragonJesus Andraste]] broke Tevinter's back, her most devout followers eventually formed the Chantry and the Empire of Orlais, both of which just went around forcibly converting and conquering their neighbors in her name, and oppressed mages and [[EnslavedElves elves]] as badly as [[{{Hypocrite}} they claim Tevinter oppressed them]], just without the word "slave" attached to it. What's more, the PlayerCharacter of [[VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins all]] [[VideoGames/DragonAgeII three]] [[VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition games]] [[ButThouMust must]] protect what they know are corrupt and oppressive systems from crumbling [[note]]the Warden saves the mage prison Circle, FantasticCasteSytem Orzammar, and Ferelden from falling to their own stupidity and in-fighting in order to stop the Blight, even if they are a mage, casteless dwarf, or elf, respectively; Hawke protects [[WretchedHive Kirkwall]] from falling to the [[FantasticCasteSystem Qunari]]; and the Inquisitor ultimately protects the oppressive Chantry and Empire of Orlais from falling to their own stupidity and in-fighting to stop Corypheus[[/note]], either to form an EnemyMine alliance against a greater evil or because other characters [[ButThouMust tell you you can't try to change too much too quickly]] since TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized and BetterTheDevilYouKnow.

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** ''Franchise/DragonAge'' seems to have a hard-on for this trope in general. Thedas history can pretty much be summed up as: "Yesterday's oppressed became today's oppressors." After [[spoiler:Solas sealed away the Evanuris to free the elves]], [[TheMagocracy Tevinter]] sprang up and enslaved [[EnslavedElves all elves]] and [[TheEmpire most of the known world]]. After [[CrystalDragonJesus Andraste]] broke Tevinter's back, her most devout followers eventually formed the Chantry and the Empire of Orlais, both of which just went around forcibly converting and conquering their neighbors in her name, and oppressed mages and [[EnslavedElves elves]] as badly as [[{{Hypocrite}} they claim Tevinter oppressed them]], just without the word "slave" attached to it. What's more, the PlayerCharacter of [[VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins all]] [[VideoGames/DragonAgeII three]] [[VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition games]] [[ButThouMust must]] protect what they know are corrupt and oppressive systems from crumbling [[note]]the Warden saves the mage prison Circle, FantasticCasteSytem Orzammar, Orzammar (averted if Bhelen is made king), and Ferelden from falling to their own stupidity and in-fighting in order to stop the Blight, even if they are a mage, casteless dwarf, or elf, respectively; Hawke protects [[WretchedHive Kirkwall]] from falling to the [[FantasticCasteSystem Qunari]]; and the Inquisitor ultimately protects the oppressive Chantry and Empire of Orlais from falling to their own stupidity and in-fighting to stop Corypheus[[/note]], either to form an EnemyMine alliance against a greater evil or because other characters [[ButThouMust tell you you can't try to change too much too quickly]] since TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized and BetterTheDevilYouKnow.
21st Nov '16 3:21:50 PM DaibhidC
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* Arsenal from ''ComicBook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws'' was a victim of one.

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* %%* Arsenal from ''ComicBook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws'' was a victim of one.
19th Nov '16 7:46:22 PM CurledUpWithDakka
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* The conclusion to ''Series/ScreamQueens2015.'' Thanks to the murderous (literally) antics, the Kappas' ruthlessly conservative and bigoted leadership is overthrown...and replaced by a left-leaning one that bans any conservative members or thinking and whose leaders turn a blind eye to how it took a murder spree to get this going. In short, it's just as corrupt, just in the opposite political direction.

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* The conclusion to ''Series/ScreamQueens2015.'' Thanks to the murderous (literally) antics, the Kappas' ruthlessly conservative and bigoted leadership is overthrown... and replaced by a left-leaning one that bans any conservative members or thinking and whose leaders turn a blind eye to how it took a murder spree to get this going. In short, it's just as corrupt, just in the opposite political direction.



* During one of the (future) Decembrist gatherings, a clever guy once asked how they can be sure one of them won't become a dictator after the revolution. The person asked ''really'' hurried to change the subject...

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* During one of the (future) Decembrist gatherings, a clever guy once asked how they can be sure one of them won't become a dictator after the revolution. The person asked ''really'' hurried to change the subject...subject....
21st Oct '16 5:50:48 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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* During most of the 20th century UsefulNotes/Nicaragua was governed by a family of dictators who were either President or [[JustTheFirstCitizen head of the national guard]] until finally in 1979 people were fed up and a young revolutionary by the name of Daniel Ortega took over. The dictator family Somoza held most of the land worth holding and controlled the economy giving most businesses to family and friends. Among the most pervasive complaints against the various strongmen and dictatorships in Nicaragua is infinite reelection and when after the 1979-1990 Contra War peace was brokered under a new constitution, it explicitly forbade reelection and limited any given person to two (non-consecutive) presidential terms. In 2006 Daniel Ortega was elected President again with barely over 30% of the vote. And in 2011 he was reelected. And in 2016 he is again running for reelection... Today there is an Ortega friendly business elite and Ortega's wife is also quite wealthy...

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* During most of the 20th century UsefulNotes/Nicaragua UsefulNotes/{{Nicaragua}} was governed by a family of dictators who were either President or [[JustTheFirstCitizen head of the national guard]] until finally in 1979 people were fed up and a young revolutionary by the name of Daniel Ortega took over. The dictator family Somoza held most of the land worth holding and controlled the economy giving most businesses to family and friends. Among the most pervasive complaints against the various strongmen and dictatorships in Nicaragua is infinite reelection and when after the 1979-1990 Contra War peace was brokered under a new constitution, it explicitly forbade reelection and limited any given person to two (non-consecutive) presidential terms. In 2006 Daniel Ortega was elected President again with barely over 30% of the vote. And in 2011 he was reelected. And in 2016 he is again running for reelection... Today there is an Ortega friendly business elite and Ortega's wife is also quite wealthy...
14th Oct '16 8:48:16 AM dotchan
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* ''[[http://dukope.com/play.php?g=trt The Republia Times]]'', the precursor to ''Videogame/PapersPlease'', has you playing as a newspaper editor for the titular newspaper, printing propoganda for Republia's dictatorship. Halfway through the game, you get contacted by a group of rebels who promise to rescue your family if you print stories encouraging disloyalty from the readers. If you go through with it, they successfully overthrow the government, but fail to keep their promise to you, and you immediately go back to work printing papers for "[[PeoplesRepublicOfTyranny Democria]]".

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* ''[[http://dukope.com/play.php?g=trt The Republia Times]]'', the precursor to ''Videogame/PapersPlease'', has you playing as a newspaper editor for the titular newspaper, printing propoganda propaganda for Republia's dictatorship. Halfway through the game, you get contacted by a group of rebels who promise to rescue your family if you print stories encouraging disloyalty from the readers. If you go through with it, they successfully overthrow the government, but fail to keep their promise to you, and you immediately go back to work printing papers for "[[PeoplesRepublicOfTyranny Democria]]".Democria]]".
* ''Videogame/PapersPlease'': even if EZIC succeeds, it's implied that they will end up committing the same atrocities as the government they are trying to overthrow, as they have very low tolerance of those they consider traitors.
7th Oct '16 10:25:17 PM Odacon_Spy
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* ''WebComic/{{The Order of the Stick}}'' lampshades and then subverts this trope with a team of dictators running two separate empires (and a counter-revolution to boot) simultaneously - thus as one empire inevitably falls to the revolution/other empire, the team remains in charge."

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* ''WebComic/{{The Order of the Stick}}'' lampshades and then subverts this trope with a team of dictators running two three separate empires (and a counter-revolution to boot) simultaneously - thus as one empire inevitably falls to the revolution/other empire, empires, the team remains in charge."
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