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15th Aug '16 2:30:36 PM MewLettuceRush
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* A {{Jerkass}} becomes much meaner and nastier, perhaps even behaving more like a villain.

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* A {{Jerkass}} becomes much meaner and nastier, perhaps even behaving more like a villain.villain, becoming a DesignatedHero in the worst cases.
18th Jul '16 6:29:25 AM Morgenthaler
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* The EvilOverlordList and its additional points. Just look at it! DangerouslyGenreSavvy doesn't even cover it.

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* The EvilOverlordList and its additional points. Just look at it! DangerouslyGenreSavvy GenreSavvy doesn't even cover it.
2nd Jul '16 10:09:16 PM sinndogg
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** Interestingly, in the 2012 audio drama ''Chosen of Khorne'', Khârn the Betrayer - who is often considered to be the most AxCrazy of all of Khorne's mortal servants in ''Warhammer 40,000'' - was significantly de-flanderized. He's quite level-headed outside of combat, despite being prone to violent visions and impulses, and even refuses to harm non-combatants (so long as they [[BerserkButton don't touch his axe]]). It's also revealed that [[spoiler: he's been killing off the remnants of the World Eaters' Pre-Heresy command structure in a bid to reunite the Legion under his own banner]]. Hardly the MO of a frothing, myopic lunatic.

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** Interestingly, in the 2012 audio drama ''Chosen of Khorne'', Khârn the Betrayer - who is often considered to be the most AxCrazy of all of Khorne's mortal servants in ''Warhammer 40,000'' - was significantly de-flanderized. He's quite level-headed outside of combat, despite being prone to violent visions and impulses, and even refuses to harm non-combatants (so long as they [[BerserkButton don't touch his axe]]). It's also revealed that [[spoiler: he's been killing off the remnants of the World Eaters' Pre-Heresy command structure in a bid to reunite the Legion under his own banner]]. Hardly banner]], which is hardly the MO of a frothing, myopic lunatic.
2nd Jul '16 10:08:11 PM sinndogg
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** Interestingly, in the 2012 audio drama ''Chosen of Khorne'', Khârn the Betrayer - who is often considered to be the most AxCrazy of all of Khorne's mortal servants in ''Warhammer 40,000'' - was significantly de-flanderized. He's quite level-headed outside of combat, despite being prone to violent visions and impulses at times, and even refuses to harm non-combatants (so long as they [[BerserkButton don't touch his axe]]). It's also revealed that [[spoiler: he's been killing off the remnants of the World Eaters' Pre-Heresy command structure in a bid to reunite the Legion under his own banner]]. Hardly the MO of a frothing, myopic lunatic.

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** Interestingly, in the 2012 audio drama ''Chosen of Khorne'', Khârn the Betrayer - who is often considered to be the most AxCrazy of all of Khorne's mortal servants in ''Warhammer 40,000'' - was significantly de-flanderized. He's quite level-headed outside of combat, despite being prone to violent visions and impulses at times, impulses, and even refuses to harm non-combatants (so long as they [[BerserkButton don't touch his axe]]). It's also revealed that [[spoiler: he's been killing off the remnants of the World Eaters' Pre-Heresy command structure in a bid to reunite the Legion under his own banner]]. Hardly the MO of a frothing, myopic lunatic.
2nd Jul '16 10:07:43 PM sinndogg
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** Interestingly, in the 2012 audio drama ''Chosen of Khorne'', Khârn the Betrayer - who is often considered to be the most AxCrazy of all of Khorne's mortal servants in ''Warhammer 40,000'' - was significantly de-flanderized. He's quite level-headed outside of combat, despite being prone to violent visions and impulses at times, and even refuses to harm non-combatants, so long as they [[BerserkButton don't touch his axe]]. It's also revealed that [[spoiler: he's been killing off the remnants of the World Eaters' Pre-Heresy command structure in a bid to reunite the Legion under his own banner]]. Hardly the MO of a frothing, myopic lunatic.

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** Interestingly, in the 2012 audio drama ''Chosen of Khorne'', Khârn the Betrayer - who is often considered to be the most AxCrazy of all of Khorne's mortal servants in ''Warhammer 40,000'' - was significantly de-flanderized. He's quite level-headed outside of combat, despite being prone to violent visions and impulses at times, and even refuses to harm non-combatants, so non-combatants (so long as they [[BerserkButton don't touch his axe]].axe]]). It's also revealed that [[spoiler: he's been killing off the remnants of the World Eaters' Pre-Heresy command structure in a bid to reunite the Legion under his own banner]]. Hardly the MO of a frothing, myopic lunatic.
2nd Jul '16 10:05:15 PM sinndogg
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** Interestingly, in the 2012 audio drama ''Chosen of Khorne'', Khârn the Betrayer - who is often considered to be the most AxCrazy of all of Khorne's mortal servants in ''Warhammer 40,000'' - was significantly de-flanderized. He's quite level-headed outside of combat, despite being prone to violent visions and impulses at times, and even refuses to harm non-combatants, so long as they [[BerserkButton don't touch his axe]]. It's also revealed that [[spoiler: he's been killing off the remnants of the World Eaters' Pre-Heresy command structure in a bid to reunite the Legion under his own banner]], which is hardly the MO of the myopic, AxCrazy berserker that he's often described as.

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** Interestingly, in the 2012 audio drama ''Chosen of Khorne'', Khârn the Betrayer - who is often considered to be the most AxCrazy of all of Khorne's mortal servants in ''Warhammer 40,000'' - was significantly de-flanderized. He's quite level-headed outside of combat, despite being prone to violent visions and impulses at times, and even refuses to harm non-combatants, so long as they [[BerserkButton don't touch his axe]]. It's also revealed that [[spoiler: he's been killing off the remnants of the World Eaters' Pre-Heresy command structure in a bid to reunite the Legion under his own banner]], which is hardly banner]]. Hardly the MO of the myopic, AxCrazy berserker that he's often described as.a frothing, myopic lunatic.
2nd Jul '16 10:02:18 PM sinndogg
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** Interestingly, in the 2012 audio drama ''Chosen of Khorne'', Khârn the Betrayer (often considered the most AxCrazy of all of Khorne's mortal servants in ''Warhammer 40,000'') was significantly de-flanderized. He's quite level-headed outside of combat (despite being prone to violent visions), and even refuses to harm non-combatants - so long as they [[BerserkButton don't touch his axe]]. It's also revealed that [[spoiler: he's been killing off the remnants of the World Eaters' Pre-Heresy command structure in a bid to reunite the Legion under his own banner]]. That's hardly the MO of the myopic, AxCrazy berserker that many earlier sources made him out to be.

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** Interestingly, in the 2012 audio drama ''Chosen of Khorne'', Khârn the Betrayer (often - who is often considered to be the most AxCrazy of all of Khorne's mortal servants in ''Warhammer 40,000'') 40,000'' - was significantly de-flanderized. He's quite level-headed outside of combat (despite combat, despite being prone to violent visions), visions and impulses at times, and even refuses to harm non-combatants - non-combatants, so long as they [[BerserkButton don't touch his axe]]. It's also revealed that [[spoiler: he's been killing off the remnants of the World Eaters' Pre-Heresy command structure in a bid to reunite the Legion under his own banner]]. That's banner]], which is hardly the MO of the myopic, AxCrazy berserker that many earlier sources made him out to be.he's often described as.
2nd Jul '16 9:58:44 PM sinndogg
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** Interestingly, in the 2012 audio drama ''Chosen of Khorne'', Khârn the Betrayer (often considered the most AxCrazy of all of Khorne's mortal servants in ''Warhammer 40,000'') was significantly de-flanderized. He's quite level-headed outside of combat (despite being prone to violent visions), and even refuses to harm non-combatants - so long as they [[BerserkButton don't touch his axe]]. It's also revealed that [[spoiler: he's been killing off the remnants of the World Eaters' Pre-Heresy command structure, in a bid to reunite the Legion under his own banner]].

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** Interestingly, in the 2012 audio drama ''Chosen of Khorne'', Khârn the Betrayer (often considered the most AxCrazy of all of Khorne's mortal servants in ''Warhammer 40,000'') was significantly de-flanderized. He's quite level-headed outside of combat (despite being prone to violent visions), and even refuses to harm non-combatants - so long as they [[BerserkButton don't touch his axe]]. It's also revealed that [[spoiler: he's been killing off the remnants of the World Eaters' Pre-Heresy command structure, structure in a bid to reunite the Legion under his own banner]].banner]]. That's hardly the MO of the myopic, AxCrazy berserker that many earlier sources made him out to be.
2nd Jul '16 10:37:09 AM neitokun
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*Penny Arcade has two main characters, both pretty heavily Flanderized. Tycho went from a slightly meaner than normal, slightly smarter than normal person with some issues to a psychotic genius with an abused past and a fetish for giraffes. By contrast, Gabe went from being "Not as smart as Tycho" to being portrayed as stupid enough to glue his hands to his face and not quite understand how children are made (as a 30-something man WITH A CHILD at this point).
*Pretty much everyone on Bob and George. Megaman and Bass go from being a bit ditzy and out-there to having full disconnects from reality, Dr. Light goes from being a competent though slightly uncaring scientist to being a vaguely insane drunk, Bob goes from a jerkass to an omnicidal maniac willing to destroy the universe he's in because it's there, and George goes from having a few issues with the casual use of violence to solve an issues to being a full-on Straw Pacifist.
16th Jun '16 4:21:22 PM merotoker
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* Insanity is mistaken for brilliance, and a [[CloudCuckoolander dippy or crazy character]] who would previously save the day through an AssPull once in a while for RuleOfFunny now does so OnceAnEpisode.

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* Insanity is mistaken for brilliance, and a [[CloudCuckoolander dippy or crazy character]] who would previously save the day through an AssPull once in a while for RuleOfFunny now does so OnceAnEpisode.OncePerEpisode.



* [[ChivalrousPervert Cross Marian]] of ''DGrayMan'' suffers this. He's shown to have his JerkAss moments, but the manga also shows sympathetic sides to him as well, and that he's a JerkWithAHeartOfGold at worst. But the anime flanderized his jerkasss qualities with filler episode 27: My Mentor, General Cross, and due to cancellation, what more depth we do see of his character is cut off. Then fandom, mostly people who haven't read the manga, will flanderize Cross' flaws to a point where there's nothing good about him, and he's basically pure evil and completely heartless, sometimes abusing Allen for no reason, even being a rapist. His ChivalrousPervert quality is flanderized to the point he's completely horrid to women.

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* [[ChivalrousPervert Cross Marian]] of ''DGrayMan'' ''Manga/DGrayMan'' suffers this. He's shown to have his JerkAss moments, but the manga also shows sympathetic sides to him as well, and that he's a JerkWithAHeartOfGold at worst. But the anime flanderized his jerkasss qualities with filler episode 27: My Mentor, General Cross, and due to cancellation, what more depth we do see of his character is cut off. Then fandom, mostly people who haven't read the manga, will flanderize Cross' flaws to a point where there's nothing good about him, and he's basically pure evil and completely heartless, sometimes abusing Allen for no reason, even being a rapist. His ChivalrousPervert quality is flanderized to the point he's completely horrid to women.



* In most [[http://gungemaleceleb.blogspot.com.au/ ''Gunge Male Celebs'']] series of stories, all of the celebrities that the narrative humiliates are flanderized to the point where they become arrogant [[JerkAss Jerkasses]], with no redeeming qualities on them, giving the narrative reason to humiliate them, and call them things like 'foolish oafs'.

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* In most [[http://gungemaleceleb.blogspot.com.au/ ''Gunge Male Celebs'']] series of stories, all of the celebrities that the narrative humiliates are flanderized to the point where they become arrogant [[JerkAss Jerkasses]], {{Jerkass}}es, with no redeeming qualities on them, giving the narrative reason to humiliate them, and call them things like 'foolish oafs'.



* Zigzagged in ''FanFic/SonicXDarkChaos''. Sonic and his friends (''especially'' Shadow and Rouge) are significantly de-flanderized compared to the show and act more like their game counterparts than the ones from ''SonicX''. Eggman is also de-flanderized, having TakenALevelInBadass and become much more GenreSavvy. In contrast, the Metarex are flanderized [[UpToEleven to the point that they're unrecognizable]]. Some of the author's own characters aren't immune to this either, although the rewrite justifies most of it via CharacterDevelopment.

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* Zigzagged in ''FanFic/SonicXDarkChaos''. Sonic and his friends (''especially'' Shadow and Rouge) are significantly de-flanderized compared to the show and act more like their game counterparts than the ones from ''SonicX''. ''Anime/SonicX''. Eggman is also de-flanderized, having TakenALevelInBadass [[TookALevelInBadass taking a level in badass]] and become much more GenreSavvy. In contrast, the Metarex are flanderized [[UpToEleven to the point that they're unrecognizable]]. Some of the author's own characters aren't immune to this either, although the rewrite justifies most of it via CharacterDevelopment.



* [[Franchise/ANightmareOnElmstreet Freddy Krueger]] was originally a dark, scary supernatural killer with a twisted sense of humor. But starting with the [[Film/ANightmareOnElmStreet3DreamWarriors third film]] in the series, Freddy's humor began taking center stage. His quips and killing tactics also became cheesier with each subsequent installment. Freddy was fully Flanderized by the end of the series (''Film/FreddysDeadTheFinalNightmare''), having become a campy, pun-spouting [[SelfParody parody of his former self]]. This version of Freddy has been likened to an evil Bugs Bunny. The character was returned to his dark/scary roots in the 1994 film ''Film/WesCravensNewNightmare''. However, this film takes place outside of series canon; it's also not the "real" Freddy, but an [[Main/OurDemonsAreDifferent ancient demon]] who adopted Freddy's persona. The [[Film/ANightmareOnElmStreet2010 2010 ''Nightmare'']] [[ContinuityReboot reboot]] featured a [[DarkerAndEdgier serious, darker]] Freddy. But "Reboot Freddy" has not supplanted Creator/RobertEnglund's version as the "official" Freddy Krueger in popular culture. So the "real" Freddy is still campy as ever, per his most recent canonical appearance (2003's ''Film/FreddyVsJason'').

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* [[Franchise/ANightmareOnElmstreet ''Franchise/ANightmareOnElmStreet'': Freddy Krueger]] Krueger was originally a dark, scary supernatural killer with a twisted sense of humor. But starting with the [[Film/ANightmareOnElmStreet3DreamWarriors third film]] in the series, Freddy's humor began taking center stage. His quips and killing tactics also became cheesier with each subsequent installment. Freddy was fully Flanderized by the end of the series (''Film/FreddysDeadTheFinalNightmare''), having become a campy, pun-spouting [[SelfParody parody of his former self]]. This version of Freddy has been likened to an evil Bugs Bunny. The character was returned to his dark/scary roots in the 1994 film ''Film/WesCravensNewNightmare''. However, this film takes place outside of series canon; it's also not the "real" Freddy, but an [[Main/OurDemonsAreDifferent ancient demon]] who adopted Freddy's persona. The [[Film/ANightmareOnElmStreet2010 2010 ''Nightmare'']] [[ContinuityReboot reboot]] featured a [[DarkerAndEdgier serious, darker]] Freddy. But "Reboot Freddy" has not supplanted Creator/RobertEnglund's version as the "official" Freddy Krueger in popular culture. So the "real" Freddy is still campy as ever, per his most recent canonical appearance (2003's ''Film/FreddyVsJason'').



* In the original ''Film/MenInBlack'' movie, K is a rather stoic individual who takes his job seriously, but approaches everything with a calm demeanor, contrasting J who doesn't take the job seriously, but overreacts to everything. By ''Film/MenInBlack3'', K is so stoic, he is unable to crack a joke or a smile.

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* In the original ''Film/MenInBlack'' movie, ''Film/MenInBlack'', K is a rather stoic individual who takes his job seriously, but approaches everything with a calm demeanor, contrasting J who doesn't take the job seriously, but overreacts to everything. By ''Film/MenInBlack3'', K is so stoic, he is unable to crack a joke or a smile.



** While C-3PO clearly wasn't as brave as R2-D2 and could express fear, in the original film he was still capable of self-sacrifice, even urging Luke to abandon him after 3PO had been badly damaged by the Sand People. Later, when he was cornered onboard the Death Star by some Storm Troopers, he managed to successfully bluff his way past the Troopers ("They're madmen! If you hurry you might catch them."). He also felt grief for Luke and the others when he thought they were dying. In TheEmpireStrikesBack, he's Flanderized into a total coward, unable to think about anything but himself, and frantically advocating surrender when the Falcon is being chased by Imperial Destroyers.

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** While C-3PO clearly wasn't as brave as R2-D2 and could express fear, in the original film he was still capable of self-sacrifice, even urging Luke to abandon him after 3PO had been badly damaged by the Sand People. Later, when he was cornered onboard the Death Star by some Storm Troopers, he managed to successfully bluff his way past the Troopers ("They're madmen! If you hurry you might catch them."). He also felt grief for Luke and the others when he thought they were dying. In TheEmpireStrikesBack, ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack'', he's Flanderized into a total coward, unable to think about anything but himself, and frantically advocating surrender when the Falcon is being chased by Imperial Destroyers.



* Ron Weasley in ''Literature/{{Harry Potter}}'' starts off fairly average if slightly lazy and only seems to get lazier - and dumber - as the series progresses, though every now and then he manages to snag a moment of average competence. It probably didn't help that the film adaptations tended to play him up as being a lot dumber than Harry or Hermione, to the point that he often came across as TheLoad - and then became or at least bordered on being TheLoad in the books as well.

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* ''Literature/HarryPotter''
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Ron Weasley in ''Literature/{{Harry Potter}}'' starts off fairly average if slightly lazy and only seems to get lazier - and dumber - as the series progresses, though every now and then he manages to snag a moment of average competence. It probably didn't help that [[Film/HarryPotter the film adaptations adaptations]] tended to play him up as being a lot dumber than Harry or Hermione, to the point that he often came across as TheLoad - and then became or at least bordered on being TheLoad in the books as well.



* David Eddings' series ''[[TheElenium Elenium]]'' and ''Tamuli'' have Kalten, who starts out as Sparhawk's boyhood friend, a talented knight and skilled fighter who can't use magic because their kind of magic requires being fluent in the Styric language, which Kalten can't get the hang of. As the books continue, he turns into someone too stupid to ''spell his name correctly'', for some reason.

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* David Eddings' series ''[[TheElenium ''[[Literature/TheElenium Elenium]]'' and ''Tamuli'' have Kalten, who starts out as Sparhawk's boyhood friend, a talented knight and skilled fighter who can't use magic because their kind of magic requires being fluent in the Styric language, which Kalten can't get the hang of. As the books continue, he turns into someone too stupid to ''spell his name correctly'', for some reason.



* Franchise/StarTrekNovelverse'':

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* Gods originally portrayed as GreyAndGreyMorality or even mostly good are frequently reinterpreted as evil by competing sects/religions historically. Modern media does the same and removes the character flaws of "good" gods in retellings of mythology [[HistoricalHeroUpgrade in order to simplify them]], making them fit modern good/evil dichotomies better.

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* Gods originally portrayed as GreyAndGreyMorality GreyAndGrayMorality or even mostly good are frequently reinterpreted as evil by competing sects/religions historically. Modern media does the same and removes the character flaws of "good" gods in retellings of mythology [[HistoricalHeroUpgrade in order to simplify them]], making them fit modern good/evil dichotomies better.



** Played straight with Jon Arbuckle, who started as being TheStraightMan and a bachelor who cared for Garfield. During the first months of 1979, he was Flanderized into being the StrawLoser compared to Garfield (with his role of the DeadpanSnarker going to Dr. Liz Wilson), and by the late 1990's, he was given a more CloudCuckooLander personality that occasionally borders on being a ManChild.

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** Played straight with Jon Arbuckle, who started as being TheStraightMan the StraightMan and a bachelor who cared for Garfield. During the first months of 1979, he was Flanderized into being the StrawLoser compared to Garfield (with his role of the DeadpanSnarker going to Dr. Liz Wilson), and by the late 1990's, he was given a more CloudCuckooLander personality that occasionally borders on being a ManChild.



* [[ComicStrip/{{Peanuts}} Charlie Brown]], somewhat surprisingly, was a victim of this trope. In his earliest strips, he was basically the prototype of Calvin from ''ComicStrip/CalvinAndHobbes'' in that he was a wise cracking rascal who often got the upper hand. For instance, he comes across another character who is sweating and asks her if anything is wrong. "I'm hot!" she says. "You don't look so hot to me," he retorts before running away with a smirk. Another strip has him trying the patience of his friends as he fussily arranges them for a group photograph before playfully announcing that his camera doesn't actually have any film in it. As he runs away with his angry friends in close pursuit, he laughs and says, "I like to live dangerously!" In the very earliest strips, he even had girls fighting over his affections. Some vestiges of the later Charlie Brown were there in the early days with the other children being somewhat crueler to him than they were to their other peers, but it wasn't until later that his tendency to always come in last became such an overpowering part of his characterization. The doo-wop song "Charlie Brown" actually manages to combine these two divergent characterizations, with "Who called the English teacher 'Daddy-O'?" and "Why is ev'rybody always pickin' on me?"

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* [[ComicStrip/{{Peanuts}} ''ComicStrip/{{Peanuts}}''
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Charlie Brown]], Brown, somewhat surprisingly, was a victim of this trope. In his earliest strips, he was basically the prototype of Calvin from ''ComicStrip/CalvinAndHobbes'' in that he was a wise cracking rascal who often got the upper hand. For instance, he comes across another character who is sweating and asks her if anything is wrong. "I'm hot!" she says. "You don't look so hot to me," he retorts before running away with a smirk. Another strip has him trying the patience of his friends as he fussily arranges them for a group photograph before playfully announcing that his camera doesn't actually have any film in it. As he runs away with his angry friends in close pursuit, he laughs and says, "I like to live dangerously!" In the very earliest strips, he even had girls fighting over his affections. Some vestiges of the later Charlie Brown were there in the early days with the other children being somewhat crueler to him than they were to their other peers, but it wasn't until later that his tendency to always come in last became such an overpowering part of his characterization. The doo-wop song "Charlie Brown" actually manages to combine these two divergent characterizations, with "Who called the English teacher 'Daddy-O'?" and "Why is ev'rybody always pickin' on me?"



* Wrestling/TheUndertaker went from being simply, well, [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin an undertaker]] to becoming almost literally a god of death and the occult. Briefly reversed when he became a "biker" character for a few years.
** Wrestling/PaulBearer was no stranger to this trope either, with his voice and mannerisms getting progressively goofier over the years. Compare this [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipDWbfYitac early 1991 promo]] to this [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJYB9IOR3K0 later 1994 promo]].

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* Wrestling/TheUndertaker went from being simply, well, [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin an undertaker]] to becoming almost literally a god of death and the occult. Briefly reversed when he became a "biker" character for a few years.
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years. Wrestling/PaulBearer was no stranger to this trope either, with his voice and mannerisms getting progressively goofier over the years. Compare this [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipDWbfYitac early 1991 promo]] to this [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJYB9IOR3K0 later 1994 promo]].



* In the Wrestling/Shield, Wrestling/DeanAmbrose was a mercenary type character who was able to put on a normal face, but was obviously unhinged and just waiting for an excuse to hurt somebody. After the Shield broke up and he didn't bother with that normal facade anymore, he began devolving into a wacky cartoon character who frequently costs himself matches by trying to perform pointless stunts that only end up hurting himself.

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* In the Wrestling/Shield, Wrestling/TheShield, Wrestling/DeanAmbrose was a mercenary type character who was able to put on a normal face, but was obviously unhinged and just waiting for an excuse to hurt somebody. After the The Shield broke up and he didn't bother with that normal facade anymore, he began devolving into a wacky cartoon character who frequently costs himself matches by trying to perform pointless stunts that only end up hurting himself.



*** To say nothing of the fact that, with Necron pre-5e backstory being a race of mindless OmnicidalManiac {{Skelebot 9000}}}s controlled by evil EnergyBeing {{Physical God}}s who feed on bio-energy, there wasn't that much of a backstory to lose.

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*** To say nothing of the fact that, with Necron pre-5e backstory being a race of mindless OmnicidalManiac {{Skelebot 9000}}}s controlled by evil EnergyBeing {{Energy Being|s}} {{Physical God}}s who feed on bio-energy, there wasn't that much of a backstory to lose.



* Gary of ''Webcomic/MenageA3'' manages both CharacterDevelopment and flanderization, simultaneously. On his first appearance, he's a quiet {{geek}} who is still a virgin due to severe problems in dealing with women. However, he is also able to assert himself a little when pushed, and he sometimes demonstrates flashes of insight or snark. Over time, he gains much more confidence in dealing with women (presumably because he's often surrounded by attractive women who sometimes want his sexual services), and loses his virginity. However, his geekiness becomes worse, if anything -- he drags a non-geek date into a comics shop at least once -- and his quiet nervousness decays into total spinelessness and passivity, which the comic {{lampshade|dTrope}}s on occasion.

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* Gary of ''Webcomic/MenageA3'' manages both CharacterDevelopment and flanderization, simultaneously. On his first appearance, he's a quiet {{geek}} who is still a virgin due to severe problems in dealing with women. However, he is also able to assert himself a little when pushed, and he sometimes demonstrates flashes of insight or snark. Over time, he gains much more confidence in dealing with women (presumably because he's often surrounded by attractive women who sometimes want his sexual services), and loses his virginity. However, his geekiness becomes worse, if anything -- he drags a non-geek date into a comics shop at least once -- and his quiet nervousness decays into total spinelessness and passivity, which the comic {{lampshade|dTrope}}s {{lampshade|Hanging}}s on occasion.



* GirlGenius has two cases:

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* GirlGenius ''WebComic/GirlGenius'' has two cases:



## Probably most famous is Chuck's interpretation of Captain Janeway as a supervillain on par with [[StarWars Palpatine]] and [[VideoGame/MegaManClassic Dr. Wily]]. This originated with Janeway's inconsistent characterization over the course of the series, when viewers were expected to [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality blindly side with her]] despite the writers disagreeing over how she would act from week-to-week.

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## Probably most famous is Chuck's interpretation of Captain Janeway as a supervillain on par with [[StarWars [[Franchise/StarWars Palpatine]] and [[VideoGame/MegaManClassic Dr. Wily]]. This originated with Janeway's inconsistent characterization over the course of the series, when viewers were expected to [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality blindly side with her]] despite the writers disagreeing over how she would act from week-to-week.
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