History Main / FightSceneFailure

8th Feb '17 1:53:29 AM LondonKdS
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Of course, this can be a matter of opinion, though some of the examples that follow are so bad that they fail even the most generous benefit of the doubt. Compare SpecialEffectFailure - when they overlap this is an example of WhenPropsAttack. See WimpFight, WhatTheFuAreYouDoing and FakeSpecialAttack for when this is done deliberately. If the Fight Scene Failure fails and someone really ''does'' get hit, expect the producers to ThrowItIn.

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Of course, this can be a matter of opinion, though some of the examples that follow are so bad that they fail even the most generous benefit of the doubt. Compare SpecialEffectFailure - when they overlap this is often an example of WhenPropsAttack. See WimpFight, WhatTheFuAreYouDoing and FakeSpecialAttack for when this is done deliberately. If the Fight Scene Failure fails and someone really ''does'' get hit, expect the producers to ThrowItIn.
8th Feb '17 1:53:10 AM LondonKdS
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Of course, this can be a matter of opinion, though some of the examples that follow are so bad that they fail even the most generous benefit of the doubt. Compare SpecialEffectFailure. See WimpFight, WhatTheFuAreYouDoing and FakeSpecialAttack for when this is done deliberately. If the Fight Scene Failure fails and someone really ''does'' get hit, expect the producers to ThrowItIn.

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Of course, this can be a matter of opinion, though some of the examples that follow are so bad that they fail even the most generous benefit of the doubt. Compare SpecialEffectFailure.SpecialEffectFailure - when they overlap this is an example of WhenPropsAttack. See WimpFight, WhatTheFuAreYouDoing and FakeSpecialAttack for when this is done deliberately. If the Fight Scene Failure fails and someone really ''does'' get hit, expect the producers to ThrowItIn.
24th Jan '17 10:29:59 PM HiddenWindshield
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* Subverted twice in the animated movie ''WesternAnimation/SupermanVsTheElite''. Superman fights a monstrous giant bug at the start of the movie and does nothing but throw weak punches that don't faze it. However once he figures out the bug is a machine and not a living, thinking creature, he freezes and smashes it in seconds. Later, during the titular fight with the Elite, he doesn't land any major hits on any of the Elite (despite exhibiting a very high power level earlier in the film) and gets the shit kicked out of him... to make it seem like he's been pushed over the edge into the Elite's "bad guys get killed" mentality and to buy time for his Super-Bots to hijack the Elite's ship.
16th Jan '17 5:55:40 PM Bissek
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* While most fight scenes on ''Series/MissionImpossible'' were limited to giving somebody a TapOnTheHead (the main exceptions were missions in which a boxing tournament and a martial arts match were central to the plan), said taps tended to be so poorly choreographed that it looked like the team was knocking people out by slapping them between the shoulder blades.
5th Jan '17 12:25:14 PM SeptimusHeap
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** The fight scene between Kirk and Spock in "[[Recap/StarTrekS2E1AmokTime Amok Time]]", which doesn't look so much like a fight scene as... [[FreudWasRight something else]]. This was likely deliberate, as the man who wrote the episode (Creator/TheodoreSturgeon) was infamous for putting gay subtext into his works ... and using asphyxiation as a metaphor for sex.

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** The fight scene between Kirk and Spock in "[[Recap/StarTrekS2E1AmokTime Amok Time]]", which doesn't look so much like a fight scene as... [[FreudWasRight something else]].as like a sex scene. This was likely deliberate, as the man who wrote the episode (Creator/TheodoreSturgeon) was infamous for putting gay subtext into his works ... and using asphyxiation as a metaphor for sex.
30th Dec '16 4:56:16 AM TheAmazingBlachman
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*** There is [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0mUVY9fLlw one YouTube video]] that picks the fight apart, however, showing that, if anything, the fight suffers from being ''over''choreographed, and has several swings, parries, dodges, and twirls that doesn't make sense if you look closer at it.

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*** There is ** It has been argued that the climatic fight from the ''Film/ThePhantomMenace'' between Darth Maul and Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon, actually suffers from being extremely ''over''choreographed, and has several swings, parries, dodges, and twirls that just there to look flashy but doesn't make sense if you look closer at it. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0mUVY9fLlw one YouTube video]] that picks the fight apart, however, showing that, if anything, the fight suffers from being ''over''choreographed, and has several swings, parries, dodges, and twirls that doesn't make sense if you look closer at it.This video perhaps explains it best]].
18th Dec '16 3:35:11 PM NightShade96
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'' Season 5 episode, "Unbent, Unbow, Unbroken", where the fight scene between Jaime and Bronn vs. the Sand Snakes is [[http://i.imgur.com/t65ZXGa.gifv poorly choreographed]] which some reviewers compared it to ''Series/XenaWarriorPrincess'' as opposed to the show's usual quality. The editing is also seen as questionable. The short time allowed on the Dorne set and restrictive budget probably contributed.
* ''Series/{{Daredevil 2015}}'''s fight scenes are universally praised... except Matt's final showdown with Wilson Fisk While the rest of the series' fights are very realistic and authentic looking, the last one just looks incredibly staged. In one scene, Fisk literally charges like a bull, as if he were a videogame boss and Matt does what you'd expect someone to do in a videogame.
* ''Series/JessicaJones2015'' has this to the point that when the people behind the show said that they weren't trying to one-up ''Series/{{Daredevil 2015}}'''s fight scenes, the response was a resounding, "we figured." A big example is when Jessica fights Kilgrave's hired goons. While it's understandable that she doesn't want to hurt them, with how slow her reflexes are, she might as well be drunk. However, when fight scenes between people with powers finally get in gear, they are ''awesome''. Justified to some extent: Jessica's alcoholism is a major story point.

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* The ''Series/GameOfThrones'' Season 5 episode, "Unbent, Unbow, Unbroken", where the fight scene between Jaime and Bronn vs. the Sand Snakes is [[http://i.imgur.com/t65ZXGa.gifv poorly choreographed]] choreographed]], which some reviewers compared it to ''Series/XenaWarriorPrincess'' as opposed to the show's usual quality. The editing is also seen as questionable. The short time allowed on the Dorne set and restrictive budget probably contributed.
* ''Series/{{Daredevil 2015}}'''s ''Series/Daredevil2015'''s fight scenes are universally praised... except for Matt's final showdown with Wilson Fisk Fisk. While the rest of the series' fights are very realistic and authentic looking, the last one just looks incredibly staged. In one scene, Fisk literally charges like a bull, as if he were a videogame boss video game boss, and Matt does what you'd expect someone to do in a videogame.
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* ''Series/JessicaJones2015'' has this to the point that when the people behind the show said that they weren't trying to one-up ''Series/{{Daredevil 2015}}'''s ''Series/Daredevil2015'''s fight scenes, the response was a resounding, "we figured." figured". A big example is when Jessica fights Kilgrave's hired goons. While it's understandable that she doesn't want to hurt them, with how slow her reflexes are, she might as well be drunk. However, when fight scenes between people with powers finally get in gear, they are ''awesome''. Justified to some extent: Jessica's alcoholism is a major story point.



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16th Dec '16 10:36:58 PM modgethanc
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** In ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith'', the scene where Windu confronts Darth Sidious is undercut by him apparently bringing two of the ''worst Jedi ever'' to back him up. Sidious activates his lightsaber, jumps at them twirling through the air, and lands directly in front of them. They raise their swords slightly. Sidious makes an extremely telegraphed thrust at one of them, and he responds by... looking at him, since for some inexplicable reason he was gazing off to the side. While he's getting stabbed through the chest, his compatriot responds by raising his sword a bit higher, as though he thinks you need to put a lot of strength into a blow while using a weapon that cuts though anything. It's probably supposed to be happening too fast for them to react, but it's a pretty slow scene at that point. Ian [=McDiarmid=] was forced to do his own stunts for this scene and the actors were only given one day to learn the choreography, whereas for their fight, Creator/HaydenChristensen and Creator/EwanMcGregor got to train for months.

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** In ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith'', the scene where Windu confronts Darth Sidious is undercut by him apparently bringing two of the ''worst Jedi ever'' to back him up. Sidious activates his lightsaber, jumps at them twirling through the air, and lands directly in front of them. They raise their swords slightly. Sidious makes an extremely telegraphed thrust at one of them, and he responds by... looking at him, since for some inexplicable reason he was gazing off to the side. While he's getting stabbed through the chest, his compatriot responds by raising his sword a bit higher, as though he thinks you need to put a lot of strength into a blow while using a weapon that cuts though anything.anything, then gets sliced open. It's probably supposed to be happening too fast for them to react, but it's a pretty slow scene at that point. Ian [=McDiarmid=] was forced to do his own stunts for this scene and the actors were only given one day to learn the choreography, whereas for their fight, Creator/HaydenChristensen and Creator/EwanMcGregor got to train for months.
2nd Dec '16 2:55:40 PM dmcreif
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* ''Series/{{Daredevil 2015}}'''s fight scenes are universally praised... except the last one of Season 1. While the rest of the series' fights are very realistic and authentic looking, the last one just looks incredibly staged. In one scene, Fisk literally charges like a bull, as if he were a videogame boss and Matt does what you'd expect someone to do in a videogame.
* ''Series/JessicaJones2015'' has this to the point that when the people behind the show said that they weren't trying to one-up ''Series/{{Daredevil 2015}}'''s fight scenes, the response was a resounding, "we figured." A big example is when Jess fights Kilgrave's hired goons. While it's understandable that she doesn't want to hurt them, with how slow her reflexes are, she might as well be drunk. However, when fight scenes between people with powers finally get in gear, they are ''awesome''.
** Well, given how Jessica's alcoholism is a major story point, what's to say she ''wasn't'' drunk?

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* ''Series/{{Daredevil 2015}}'''s fight scenes are universally praised... except the last one of Season 1. Matt's final showdown with Wilson Fisk While the rest of the series' fights are very realistic and authentic looking, the last one just looks incredibly staged. In one scene, Fisk literally charges like a bull, as if he were a videogame boss and Matt does what you'd expect someone to do in a videogame.
* ''Series/JessicaJones2015'' has this to the point that when the people behind the show said that they weren't trying to one-up ''Series/{{Daredevil 2015}}'''s fight scenes, the response was a resounding, "we figured." A big example is when Jess Jessica fights Kilgrave's hired goons. While it's understandable that she doesn't want to hurt them, with how slow her reflexes are, she might as well be drunk. However, when fight scenes between people with powers finally get in gear, they are ''awesome''. \n** Well, given how Justified to some extent: Jessica's alcoholism is a major story point, what's to say she ''wasn't'' drunk?point.
28th Nov '16 6:23:43 PM CumbersomeTercel
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** In ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith'', the scene where Windu confronts Darth Sidious is undercut by him apparently bringing two of the ''worst Jedi ever'' to back him up. Sidious activates his lightsaber, jumps at them twirling through the air, and lands directly in front of them. They raise their swords slightly. Sidious makes an extremely telegraphed thrust at one of them, and he responds by... looking at him, since for some inexplicable reason he was gazing off to the side. While he's getting stabbed through the chest, his compatriot responds by raising his sword a bit higher, as though he thinks you need to put a lot of strength into a blow while using a weapon that cuts though anything. It's probably supposed to be happening too fast for them to react, but it's a pretty slow scene at that point. Ian [=McDiarmid=] was forced to do his own stunts for this scene and the actors were only given one day to learn the choreography, whereas for their fight Hayden Christensen and [=Ewan MacGregor=] got to train for months.

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** In ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith'', the scene where Windu confronts Darth Sidious is undercut by him apparently bringing two of the ''worst Jedi ever'' to back him up. Sidious activates his lightsaber, jumps at them twirling through the air, and lands directly in front of them. They raise their swords slightly. Sidious makes an extremely telegraphed thrust at one of them, and he responds by... looking at him, since for some inexplicable reason he was gazing off to the side. While he's getting stabbed through the chest, his compatriot responds by raising his sword a bit higher, as though he thinks you need to put a lot of strength into a blow while using a weapon that cuts though anything. It's probably supposed to be happening too fast for them to react, but it's a pretty slow scene at that point. Ian [=McDiarmid=] was forced to do his own stunts for this scene and the actors were only given one day to learn the choreography, whereas for their fight Hayden Christensen fight, Creator/HaydenChristensen and [=Ewan MacGregor=] Creator/EwanMcGregor got to train for months.



* ''Film/TheGodfather'': When Sonny is [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown beating Carlo]], one of his punches obviously misses by a mile, but Carlo and the soundtrack react just the same. The reason this was kept in the film is apparently because the beating was all filmed in one take and the rest of the beating was ''too'' real: Caan broke several of the other actor's bones.

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* ''Film/TheGodfather'': When Sonny is [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown beating Carlo]], one of his punches obviously misses by a mile, but Carlo and the soundtrack react just the same. The reason this was kept in the film is apparently because the beating was all filmed in one take and the rest of the beating was ''too'' real: Caan Creator/JamesCaan broke several of the other actor's bones.



** "Arena": [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1eFdUSnaQM "Worst Fight Scene Ever"]]; the guy in the Gorn suit moves slowly, apparently in an attempt to make the Gorn look big and ponderous... but it makes the fight seem ridiculous. The Gorn also doesn't seem to be able to use his super-strength to overpower Kirk or use his big teeth to bite.

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** "Arena": "[[{{Recap/StarTrekS1E18Arena}} Arena]]": [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1eFdUSnaQM "Worst Fight Scene Ever"]]; the guy in the Gorn suit moves slowly, apparently in an attempt to make the Gorn look big and ponderous... but it makes the fight seem ridiculous. The Gorn also doesn't seem to be able to use his super-strength to overpower Kirk or use his big teeth to bite.



** In the BarBrawl scene of "The Trouble With Tribbles," Scotty punches a Klingon across the room--without touching him. Maybe Scotty can use TheForce like Luke?

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** In the BarBrawl scene of "The "[[{{Recap/StarTrekS2E15TheTroubleWithTribbles}} The Trouble With Tribbles," with Tribbles]]", Scotty punches a Klingon across the room--without touching him. Maybe Scotty can use TheForce like Luke?



** The episode "Code of Honor" has a particularly inept fight scene at the episode's climax, with most of the action being shot from the same camera angle, and the two combatants (Tasha Yar and an alien woman) standing on what looks like a children's climbing frame and mostly just flailing around at each other with spiked gloves. This was largely due to the episode's director having been fired the day before the sequence was shot, and the first assistant director -- who had never directed ''anything'' before, much less an action sequence -- having to take over.
** In "The Schizoid Man" a dying scientist uploaded his consciousness to Data's positronic brain, the possessed Data strikes Captain Picard. Data swings his arm camera-right, Picard spins camera-''left'' as he staggers camera-right.

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** The episode "Code "[[{{Recap/StarTrekTheNextGenerationS1E3CodeOfHonor}} Code of Honor" Honor]]" has a particularly inept fight scene at the episode's climax, with most of the action being shot from the same camera angle, and the two combatants (Tasha Yar and an alien woman) standing on what looks like a children's climbing frame and mostly just flailing around at each other with spiked gloves. This was largely due to the episode's director having been fired the day before the sequence was shot, and the first assistant director -- who had never directed ''anything'' before, much less an action sequence -- having to take over.
** In "The "[[{{Recap/StarTrekTheNextGenerationS2E6TheSchizoidMan}} The Schizoid Man" Man]]" a dying scientist uploaded his consciousness to Data's positronic brain, the possessed Data strikes Captain Picard. Data swings his arm camera-right, Picard spins camera-''left'' as he staggers camera-right.



** "The Web Planet" was forced to have some seriously awful fighting scenes in it, as the monster costumes used were so delicate.
** "The War Games" part 6 has [[http://s1.webmshare.com/OnLob.webm an absolutely laughable sequence]]. Jamie swings obviously wide of the mark blows vaguely at the bad guy's face, over and over and over, while a guard in the background of a fight sequence tries to escape, with a crummy slow-motion GirlyRun, before one of the heroes pulls him off a slope and onto a bed onto which he harmlessly bounces.
** The Axon chucking itself at the jeep in "The Claws of Axos".
** "Robot":
*** Episode 2 has an [[NightmareRetardant adorably flimsy-looking]] KillerRobot chasing the Doctor at a pace best associated with zimmer frames, while Tom Baker zips and flings himself around it effortlessly, trying to look like he's narrowly being missed by its blows and not slightly managing. It's quite fun when the Doctor [[PlotTailoredToTheParty uses all of his costume gimmicks against it]] but it's also clear he can only possibly lose the fight due to the fact he has the IdiotBall lodged in his throat for the whole episode.

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** "The "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS2E5TheWebPlanet The Web Planet" Planet]]" was forced to have some seriously awful fighting scenes in it, as the monster costumes used were so delicate.
** "The "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS6E7TheWarGames The War Games" Games]]" part 6 has [[http://s1.webmshare.com/OnLob.webm an absolutely laughable sequence]]. Jamie swings obviously wide of the mark blows vaguely at the bad guy's face, over and over and over, while a guard in the background of a fight sequence tries to escape, with a crummy slow-motion GirlyRun, before one of the heroes pulls him off a slope and onto a bed onto which he harmlessly bounces.
** The Axon chucking itself at the jeep in "The "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS8E3TheClawsOfAxos The Claws of Axos".
Axos]]".
** "Robot":
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*** Episode 2 has an [[NightmareRetardant adorably flimsy-looking]] KillerRobot chasing the Doctor at a pace best associated with zimmer frames, while Tom Baker Creator/TomBaker zips and flings himself around it effortlessly, trying to look like he's narrowly being missed by its blows and not slightly managing. It's quite fun when the Doctor [[PlotTailoredToTheParty uses all of his costume gimmicks against it]] but it's also clear he can only possibly lose the fight due to the fact he has the IdiotBall lodged in his throat for the whole episode.



** The fight with the Myrka in "Warriors of the Deep". A woman is approached in a blindingly-lit corridor by a ridiculous green pantomime horse monster that leaves visible wet paint smears as it goes, flails her arms about, inexplicably decides to high-kick it in the chest and then gets killed by some bad [[{{ChromaKey}} CSO]]. The footage was used on ''Series/{{Room 101}}'' when Michael Grade was being asked why he cancelled the show.
* Many fights on ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'' are made of this trope. Also, any time swords are brought on to either ''Buffy'' or ''Angel''. Overlaps with Obvious StuntDouble when Buffy and Angel swordfight in the season 2 finale. As soon as the camera pulls back, Buffy grows several inches, and Angel has a drastically receding hairline. {{Lampshaded}} by Joss in his DVD commentary for ''Hush:'' "Look! Buffy's strapped on her fighting boobs!"

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** The fight with the Myrka in "Warriors "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS21E1WarriorsOfTheDeep Warriors of the Deep".Deep]]". A woman is approached in a blindingly-lit corridor by a ridiculous green pantomime horse monster that leaves visible wet paint smears as it goes, flails her arms about, inexplicably decides to high-kick it in the chest and then gets killed by some bad [[{{ChromaKey}} CSO]]. The footage was used on ''Series/{{Room 101}}'' when Michael Grade was being asked why he cancelled the show.
* Many fights on ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'' are made of this trope. Also, any time swords are brought on to either ''Buffy'' or ''Angel''.''Series/{{Angel}}''. Overlaps with Obvious StuntDouble when Buffy and Angel swordfight in the season 2 finale. As soon as the camera pulls back, Buffy grows several inches, and Angel has a drastically receding hairline. {{Lampshaded}} by Joss Creator/JossWhedon in his DVD commentary for ''Hush:'' "[[{{Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS4E10Hush}} Hush]]": "Look! Buffy's strapped on her fighting boobs!"
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