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25th Aug '16 11:53:33 PM merotoker
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** In ''Film/TheForceAwakens'', [[spoiler: the First Order drops a lot of the Roman aesthetic in favour of a stark, harsh SS-look - they were [[WordOfGod explicitly compared by JJ Abrams to]] Nazis who fled to South America following the end of World War Two. However, supplementary materials explain that the Empire proper had a lot of limitations on what kind of weapons it could build after the original trilogy's Galactic Civil War. The Empire thus started building up a new army in secret, which is essentially what happened to Germany after World War One. Furthermore, given the fact that the Galaxy Far Far Away is now split between two ostensibly peaceful powers - the New Republic and the First Order - it is basically in a state of Cold War, with the mysterious and sinister First Order taking the place of the Soviet Union. Note that while the Empire got its Stormtroopers from willing recruits, the First Order takes children from their families and moulds them into ideal soldiers, echoing UsefulNotes/ColdWar 'Communist brainwashing' fantasies. On the flip side, the Resistance is a rebel group funded illegally by the New Republic, not unlike the Viet Cong or the Contras.]]

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** In ''Film/TheForceAwakens'', [[spoiler: the First Order drops a lot of the Roman aesthetic in favour of a stark, harsh SS-look - they were [[WordOfGod explicitly compared by JJ Abrams to]] Nazis who fled to South America following the end of World War Two. However, supplementary materials explain that the Empire proper had a lot of limitations on what kind of weapons it could build after the original trilogy's Galactic Civil War. The Empire thus started building up a new army in secret, which is essentially what happened to Germany after World War One. Furthermore, given the fact that the Galaxy Far Far Away is now split between two ostensibly peaceful powers - the New Republic and the First Order - it is basically in a state of Cold War, with the mysterious and sinister First Order taking the place of the Soviet Union. Note that while the Empire got its Stormtroopers from willing recruits, the First Order takes children from their families and moulds them into ideal soldiers, echoing UsefulNotes/ColdWar 'Communist brainwashing' fantasies. On the flip side, the Resistance is a rebel group funded illegally by the New Republic, not unlike the Viet Cong or the Contras.]]Contras]].



** ''Series/{{Caprica}}'' expands on it, introducing us to several Taurons, seemingly a counterpart to Mexicans, complete with their own sprawling, all-encompassing cartels and struggles with racism; their language appears to be based on Ancient Greek. They could also be likened to Italians. However, they have differences as well. Whereas most Hispanic/Mediterranean people are stereotyped as hot-blooded, Taurons are called a stoic people. [[HijinksEnsue Joel Watson]] possibly [[http://twitter.com/hijinksensue/status/8142972251 put it best]]:

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** ''Series/{{Caprica}}'' expands on it, introducing us to several Taurons, seemingly a counterpart to Mexicans, complete with their own sprawling, all-encompassing cartels and struggles with racism; their language appears to be based on Ancient Greek. They could also be likened to Italians. However, they have differences as well. Whereas most Hispanic/Mediterranean people are stereotyped as hot-blooded, Taurons are called a stoic people. [[HijinksEnsue [[WebComic/HijinksEnsue Joel Watson]] possibly [[http://twitter.com/hijinksensue/status/8142972251 put it best]]:



*** To expand on this a bit, the colonial United States analogue is Andoran: a new country that has recently in the past century won its independence from Cheliax and is experimenting with democracy. Golarion also has an ancient Egyptian analogue in Osirion, an Middle Eastern counterpart named Qadira, and a Roman/Byzantine-type country in Taldor. The Land of the Linnorm Kings is clearly based on saga-era Viking myth. Irrisen and Brevoy both play like medieval Russia, with Brevoy going for civil war between noble houses and Irrisen doing the fantasy side. Galt is Reign of Terror France. Ustalav is Eastern Europe through the eyes of Film/HammerHorror films. Touvette is a mixed dig at Western fascism and North Korea. Cheliax wants to be Renaissance Italy by way of fantasy devil worship. Vudrani are meant to portray pre-Colonial India. Bacchuan is another dig at North Korea. Minkai is faux-medieval Japan, and Kyonin is faux-medieval elven Japan. All of the Lung Wa successor states are essentially pieces of the multicultural traditions of China. Hongal are Mongolian analogs. Tianjiang looks a lot like the public perception of pre-Communist Tibet, so Tibet via HollywoodHistory. Katapesh is another "pulp-Arabia" country, with Jalamey filling in for "pulp-Near East." Molthune goes for Imperial Germany. The Crown of the World features faux Inuit peoples. The Mwangi Expanse goes for a bit of a Reconstruction of the DarkestAfrica trope, eliminating many of its odious connotations while portraying the Mwangi as knowledgeable, intelligent Colonial-era African analogs. The Varisian people are heavily inspired by [[UsefulNotes/{{Romani}} Roma gypsies]] and Mediterranean Europe. Quite a few countries make up what could be called a generic mish-mash of South East Asian-themed societies. And certainly more parallels could be found.

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*** To expand on this a bit, the colonial United States analogue is Andoran: a new country that has recently in the past century won its independence from Cheliax and is experimenting with democracy. Golarion also has an ancient Egyptian analogue in Osirion, an a Middle Eastern counterpart named Qadira, and a Roman/Byzantine-type country in Taldor. The Land of the Linnorm Kings is clearly based on saga-era Viking myth. Irrisen and Brevoy both play like medieval Russia, with Brevoy going for civil war between noble houses and Irrisen doing the fantasy side. Galt is Reign of Terror France. Ustalav is Eastern Europe through the eyes of Film/HammerHorror films. Touvette is a mixed dig at Western fascism and North Korea. Cheliax wants to be Renaissance Italy by way of fantasy devil worship. Vudrani are meant to portray pre-Colonial India. Bacchuan is another dig at North Korea. Minkai is faux-medieval Japan, and Kyonin is faux-medieval elven Japan. All of the Lung Wa successor states are essentially pieces of the multicultural traditions of China. Hongal are Mongolian analogs. Tianjiang looks a lot like the public perception of pre-Communist Tibet, so Tibet via HollywoodHistory. Katapesh is another "pulp-Arabia" country, with Jalamey filling in for "pulp-Near East." Molthune goes for Imperial Germany. The Crown of the World features faux Inuit peoples. The Mwangi Expanse goes for a bit of a Reconstruction of the DarkestAfrica trope, eliminating many of its odious connotations while portraying the Mwangi as knowledgeable, intelligent Colonial-era African analogs. The Varisian people are heavily inspired by [[UsefulNotes/{{Romani}} Roma gypsies]] and Mediterranean Europe. Quite a few countries make up what could be called a generic mish-mash of South East Asian-themed societies. And certainly more parallels could be found.



** Orlais is essentially [[UsefulNotes/LEtatCestMoi France during the Ancien Regime]], with a failed version of the Norman Conquest (Orlesian-occupied Ferelden) in its recent history, and Antiva is styled after [[CityStateEra late medieval Italian city-states like Venice]] with a dash of Spain thrown in. ''Dragon Age 2'''s setting of Kirkwall is mostly based on medieval Cologne, a free city-state known for its frequent JurisdictionFriction between the municipal government and the church. Such friction is basically the plot to the game, albeit with the inclusion of corrupting magic and a brewing tension between mages and churchmen.

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** Orlais is essentially [[UsefulNotes/LEtatCestMoi France during the Ancien Regime]], with a failed version of the Norman Conquest (Orlesian-occupied Ferelden) in its recent history, and Antiva is styled after [[CityStateEra [[UsefulNotes/TheCityStateEra late medieval Italian city-states like Venice]] with a dash of Spain thrown in. ''Dragon Age 2'''s setting of Kirkwall is mostly based on medieval Cologne, a free city-state known for its frequent JurisdictionFriction between the municipal government and the church. Such friction is basically the plot to the game, albeit with the inclusion of corrupting magic and a brewing tension between mages and churchmen.



** The starting area of the first game, Angara, bares similarity to medieval Europe, has a region similar to the Scandinavian peninsula to the north, and a (comparatively small) area with Oriental inluences to the east. It goes so far as to call the path from the eastern reaches to the western reaches "Silk Road".

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** The starting area of the first game, Angara, bares similarity to medieval Europe, has a region similar to the Scandinavian peninsula to the north, and a (comparatively small) area with Oriental inluences influences to the east. It goes so far as to call the path from the eastern reaches to the western reaches "Silk Road".



** Largely {{Averted}} by the factions in ''Alien Crossfire'', who are based on groups who have yet to power in real life. The Free Drones are social democrats, the Data Angels and Nautilus Pirates are anarchists ([[PlayfulHacker the former]] being a more sympathetic portrayal than [[HornyVikings the latter]]), the Cybernetic Consciousness are utilitarians, and the Cult of Planet are transhuman voluntary extinctionists.

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** Largely {{Averted}} {{averted|Trope}} by the factions in ''Alien Crossfire'', who are based on groups who have yet to power in real life. The Free Drones are social democrats, the Data Angels and Nautilus Pirates are anarchists ([[PlayfulHacker the former]] being a more sympathetic portrayal than [[HornyVikings the latter]]), the Cybernetic Consciousness are utilitarians, and the Cult of Planet are transhuman voluntary extinctionists.



* ''WesternAnimation/TaleSpin'' had the Thembrians, warthog residents of a bureaucratic republic clearly intended to be analogous to {{Soviet Russia|UkraineAndSoOn}}. Then there was Panda-La, a nation full of panda bears who were such blatant Asian stereotypes that the episode in which they appeared was eventually pulled from the lineup by Disney.

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* ''WesternAnimation/TaleSpin'' had the Thembrians, warthog residents of a bureaucratic republic clearly intended to be analogous to {{Soviet UsefulNotes/{{Soviet Russia|UkraineAndSoOn}}. Then there was Panda-La, a nation full of panda bears who were such blatant Asian stereotypes that the episode in which they appeared was eventually pulled from the lineup by Disney.
13th Aug '16 5:16:41 PM nombretomado
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* The ''{{Discworld}}'' fics of Creator/AAPessimal take Creator/TerryPratchett's Fantasy Counterpart Cultures UptoEleven. Pratchett's structure (Quirm = France, Überwald = Switzerland/Bavaria/Germany, Llamedos = Wales, et c) is expanded on with additions such as Rimwards Howondaland = South Africa, the Sto States = Benelux [[note]]Sto Helit, a Grand Duchy, = Luxembourg, Sto Lat = Belgium, Sto Kerrig = Holland [[/note]], Far Überwald/Zlobenia = Russia, "Aceria" = Canada/{{Eagleland}}, Hergen = Ireland, et c. As can be expected, NationalStereotypes abound: Sto Kerrig is renowned for windmills, clogs, tulips, strange smoking tobaccos, and a language shading from "Kerrigian" into "Phlegmish" that sparked off a daughter dialect spoken in "Hovondalaand".

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* The ''{{Discworld}}'' ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' fics of Creator/AAPessimal take Creator/TerryPratchett's Fantasy Counterpart Cultures UptoEleven. Pratchett's structure (Quirm = France, Überwald = Switzerland/Bavaria/Germany, Llamedos = Wales, et c) is expanded on with additions such as Rimwards Howondaland = South Africa, the Sto States = Benelux [[note]]Sto Helit, a Grand Duchy, = Luxembourg, Sto Lat = Belgium, Sto Kerrig = Holland [[/note]], Far Überwald/Zlobenia = Russia, "Aceria" = Canada/{{Eagleland}}, Hergen = Ireland, et c. As can be expected, NationalStereotypes abound: Sto Kerrig is renowned for windmills, clogs, tulips, strange smoking tobaccos, and a language shading from "Kerrigian" into "Phlegmish" that sparked off a daughter dialect spoken in "Hovondalaand".
6th Aug '16 7:12:43 AM AgProv
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* The ''{{Discworld}}'' fics of Creator/AAPessimal take Creator/TerryPratchett's Fantasy Counterpart Cultures UptoEleven. Pratchett's structure (Quirn = France, Überwald = Switzerland/Bavaria/Germany, Llamedos = Wales, et c) is expanded on with additions such as Rimwards Howondaland = South Africa, the Sto States = Benelux [[note]]Sto Helit, a Grand Duchy, = Luxembourg, Sto Lat = Belgium, Sto Kerrig = Holland [[/note]], Far Überwald/Zlobenia = Russia, "Aceria" = Canada/{{Eagleland}}, Hergen = Ireland, et c. As can be expected, National Stereotypes abound: Sto Kerrig is renowned for windmills, clogs, tulips, strange smoking tobaccos, and a language shading from "Kerrigian" into "Phlegmish" that sparked off a daughter dialect spoken in "Hovondalaand".

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* The ''{{Discworld}}'' fics of Creator/AAPessimal take Creator/TerryPratchett's Fantasy Counterpart Cultures UptoEleven. Pratchett's structure (Quirn (Quirm = France, Überwald = Switzerland/Bavaria/Germany, Llamedos = Wales, et c) is expanded on with additions such as Rimwards Howondaland = South Africa, the Sto States = Benelux [[note]]Sto Helit, a Grand Duchy, = Luxembourg, Sto Lat = Belgium, Sto Kerrig = Holland [[/note]], Far Überwald/Zlobenia = Russia, "Aceria" = Canada/{{Eagleland}}, Hergen = Ireland, et c. As can be expected, National Stereotypes NationalStereotypes abound: Sto Kerrig is renowned for windmills, clogs, tulips, strange smoking tobaccos, and a language shading from "Kerrigian" into "Phlegmish" that sparked off a daughter dialect spoken in "Hovondalaand".
6th Aug '16 1:37:56 AM AgProv
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* The ''{{Discworld}}'' fics of Creator/AAPessimal take Creator/TerryPratchett's Fantasy Counterpart Cultures UptoEleven. Pratchett's structure (Quirn = France, Überwald = Switzerland/Bavaria/Germany, Llamedos = Wales, et c) is expanded on with additions such as Rimwards Howondaland = South Africa, the Sto States = Benelux [[note]]Sto Helit, a Grand Duchy, = Luxembourg, Sto Lat = Belgium, Sto Kerrig = Holland [[/note]], Far Überwald/Zlobenia = Russia, "Aceria" = Canada/{{Eagleland}}, Hergen = Ireland, et c. As can be expected, National Stereotypes abound: Sto Kerrig is renowned for windmills, clogs, tulips, strange smoking tobaccos, and a language shading from "Kerrigian" into "Phlegmish" that sparked off a daughter dialect spoken in "Hovondalaand".
31st Jul '16 10:19:16 PM darksoul4242
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* The ''VideoGame/QuestForGlory'' series has each game taking place in a different region like this, each of them representing the four cardinal directions except for the third game, which was made as an afterthought. In order they are: Speilburg (Germany, North), Shapier (Middle East, South), Fricana (Africa, none), Mordavia (various Eastern European locales, East) and Silmaria (AncientGrome, West).

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* The ''VideoGame/QuestForGlory'' series has each game taking place in a different region like this, each of them representing the four cardinal directions except for the third game, which was made as an afterthought. In order they are: Speilburg (Germany, North), Shapier Shapeir (Middle East, South), Fricana (Africa, none), Mordavia (various Eastern European locales, East) and Silmaria (AncientGrome, West).
27th Jul '16 8:20:46 AM thatmadork
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* The ''VideoGame/SwordofDamocles'' mod for ''VideoGame/MountAndBlade'' takes place on a whole new continent and has all of the above factions, but also adds some new ones. The Kingdom of Aden is a stand-in for medieval Hungary, the Imperial Legion is the Roman Empire, the Republic of Marina is like if the Ancient Greek city states united and kept their culture into the late renaissance, the Villianese Duchy is mix of medieval Scotland and Wales with a shamanistic pagan religion, the Antarian Empire is a mix of the late Western Roman Empire and the Holy Roman Empire, and the Zerrikanian Sultanate is basically the Ottoman Empire if they worshipped [[TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}} Chaos]]. The mod also introduces several mercenary factions based on historical cultures: the Black Army is based on the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Army_of_Hungary Black Army of Hungary]], the Boar Clan are the warriors of iron-age Gaul, the Elephant Guard are African tribesmen with a hint of Ancient Egypt, and the Jotnar Clan are your standard HornyVikings.
26th Jul '16 2:14:21 AM thatmadork
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** Largely {{Averted}} by the factions in ''Alien Crossfire'', who are based on groups who have yet to power in real life. The Free Drones are social democrats, the Data Angels and Nautilus Pirates are anarchists ([[PlayfulHacker the former]] being a more sympathetic portrayal than [[HornyVikings the latter]]), the Cybernetic Consciousness are utilitarians, and the Cult of Planet are transhuman voluntary extinctionists.
21st Jul '16 6:15:55 AM AirofMystery
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*** In the book it seems more like the ''really old Russia'' (that is, medieval princedoms of Novgorod and Kiev) and Dalemen are explicitly said to be ethnic cousins of Rohirrim, just as both the Russ (viking Russians) and the Goths were Germanic. Esgaroth, for instance, is a freshwater port, just like Novgorad and it's people are known for their commerce along the river.

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*** In the book it seems more like the ''really old Russia'' (that is, medieval princedoms of Novgorod and Kiev) and Dalemen are explicitly said to be ethnic cousins of Rohirrim, just as both the Russ (viking Russians) and the Goths were Germanic. Esgaroth, for instance, is a freshwater port, just like Novgorad Novgorod and it's people are known for their commerce along the river.


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** Despite the aforementioned cultural associations for dwarves and the Men of Dale, the Men all speak with [[OopNorth Northern England-type accents]] (with the exception of [[SmugSnake the Master]] who speaks with Stephen Fry's natural Norfolk accent), and the dwarves vary from Thorin's dignified Northern to Bofur's Irish to Balin and Gloin's Scottish.
18th Jul '16 1:41:40 PM BlackSunNocturne
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** According to WordOfGod, Nevarra is based off of the Iberian kingdoms.

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** According to WordOfGod, Nevarra is based off of the Iberian kingdoms. However, from what we've seen in-series, Nevarra seems more based on Prussia, as both are led by extremely militaristic royal families, and Cassandra seems to be sporting a vaguely German accent. The wars with Orlais are also similar to Germany's repeated conflicts over France for land. The existence of a culturally important and politically active order of mages responsible for administrating funeral rites also gives the country something of an Ancient Egyptian flare.
9th Jul '16 11:30:18 AM frogpatrol
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** Dozens of planets are clones of TheWildWest--it pretty much seems to be the [[{{Pun}} default setting]] for a planet in this universe.

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** Dozens of planets are clones of TheWildWest--it TheWildWest -- it pretty much seems to be the [[{{Pun}} default setting]] for a planet in this universe.



* ''Manga/FushigiYuugi'' has each of the locations in the Universe Of The Four Gods designed after a real-world counterpart.
** Kounan is basically southern China.
** Kutou is eastern China.
** Sairou is based on Tibet.
** Hokkan is based off of Inner and Outer Mongolia.
* In ''Manga/OnePiece'', the island nation of Wa-no-Kuni is very clearly this for feudal Japan, what with its isolationism and its samurai. ("Wa-no-kuni" is in fact an old way to refer to Japan.) Further on, the Shandians are pretty clear analogues for disenfranchised and displaced Native American populations, Alabasta is a fairly obvious portrayal of Ancient Egypt (with additional Middle Eastern influencing) and Dressrosa looks like a combination of Spain and [[WesternAnimation/RudolphTheRedNosedReindeer the Island of Misfit Toys]].
* Roshtaria and the other human lands of ''Anime/ElHazardTheMagnificentWorld'' are very clearly fantasy stand-ins for the Middle East of the ''Literature/ArabianNights''.

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* ''Manga/FushigiYuugi'' has each of the locations in the Universe Of The Four Gods designed after a real-world counterpart.
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counterpart. Kounan is basically southern China.
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China. Kutou is eastern China.
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China. Sairou is based on Tibet.
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Tibet and Hokkan is based off of Inner and Outer Mongolia.
* In ''Manga/OnePiece'', the island nation of Wa-no-Kuni is very clearly this for feudal Japan, what with its isolationism and its samurai. ("Wa-no-kuni" is in fact an old way to refer to Japan.) Further on, the Shandians are pretty clear analogues for disenfranchised and displaced Native American populations, Alabasta is a fairly obvious portrayal of Ancient Egypt (with additional Middle Eastern influencing) and Dressrosa looks like a combination of Spain and [[WesternAnimation/RudolphTheRedNosedReindeer the Island of Misfit Toys]].
* Roshtaria and the other human lands of ''Anime/ElHazardTheMagnificentWorld'' are very clearly fantasy stand-ins for the Middle East of the ''Literature/ArabianNights''.
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