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29th Nov '16 9:38:50 PM ShawnRi
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27th Nov '16 6:38:31 AM BlackSunNocturne
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* An in-universe example actually happens in ''Pokémon'': While Darkrai is normally portrayed as a rather decent creature despite having a bad reputation due to its tendency to create nightmares (it only does this if threatened in any way; the [[Anime/{{Pokemon}} anime]] actually averted this by making one such member of this species the hero of [[Anime/PokemonTheRiseOfDarkrai one of its films]]), in the ''VideoGame/PokemonMysteryDungeonExplorers'' games, [[spoiler: he's the BigBad, and is pure evil. He even tries to kill the main characters over the course of the games!]]

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* An in-universe example actually happens in ''Pokémon'': ''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}'':
** The Pokémon Darkrai has this due to DependingOnTheWriter.
While Darkrai is normally portrayed as a rather decent creature despite having a bad reputation due to its tendency to create nightmares (it [[MindRape severe nightmares]], and it only does this if threatened in any way; way, and actually suffers from PowerIncontinence, it ''can't'' turn off its nightmare inducing ability, which is why it's holed up on New Moon Island in Gen IV, and why Cresselia is on the next island over; the [[Anime/{{Pokemon}} anime]] actually averted this by making one such member of this species the hero of [[Anime/PokemonTheRiseOfDarkrai one of its films]]), films]], in the ''VideoGame/PokemonMysteryDungeonExplorers'' games, [[spoiler: he's [[spoiler:he's the BigBad, and is pure evil. He even tries to kill the main characters over the course of the games!]]games!]] One is also a villain in ''VideoGame/PokeparkWii'', but is [[EvenEvilHasStandards far]], [[{{Jerkass}} far]] less evil than the [[spoiler:OmnicidalManiac one in the ''VideoGame/PokemonMysteryDungeonExplorers'' games.]]
** The Gen VI Legendary Pokémon mascot for ''Y'' version, Yveltal also zig-zags this. It's known as the Destruction Pokémon and drains the life force out of organisms every time it awakens. However, it's more of a deadly, life-draining force of nature rather than a sinister villain with malicious plans, as many of the human villains are. It's also noted Yveltal is not so much an avatar of mindless destruction but of the necessary kind. However, seeing as it drains the life force out of organisms by default, it's entirely possible that it is not outright benevolent, but simply resents being used for more destruction than is necessary. [[spoiler:In fact, at the end of the Team Flare plot in ''Y'' version, Yveltal even will ''force'' you to capture it, allowing it to join you on your journey and immediately get revenge on Team Flare for abusing its power, as it puts itself in the front of your party after you capture it when you fight [[BigBad Lysander]] afterwards. Also, in an inversion of Darkrai in the anime, it's the BigBad of ''Anime/PokemonDiancieAndTheCocoonOfDestruction'', but it acts as a deadly force of nature rather than a malevolent schemer.]]
27th Nov '16 6:19:28 AM BlackSunNocturne
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** The 3rd edition splatbook ''Deities & Demigods'' lists Hades as NeutralEvil largely so they could give him levels in the assassin PrestigeClass. The book specifically notes that he isn't actively hostile or vicious, and that he mostly just ''is''; everyone dies eventually, and someone has to run the afterlife. Anubis on the other hand was listed as LawfulNeutral. Hel, of course, gets the "evil" treatment (and one that affects her personality more, likely due to her being half rotting corpse), despite being by far the least antagonistic of Loki's children in the original myths.

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** The 3rd edition splatbook ''Deities & Demigods'' lists Hades as NeutralEvil largely so they could give him levels in the assassin PrestigeClass. The book specifically notes that he isn't actively hostile or vicious, and that he mostly just ''is''; everyone dies eventually, and someone has to run the afterlife. However, a [[WordOfGod clarification from the writers]] later on is that Hades is listed as NeutralEvil because of the oldest class-based [[TheArtifact artifact]] in D&D's history: Hades has the class [[AlwaysChaoticEvil Assassin, which requires the person with it to be evil]], if the DM removes a deity's class stats ([[LordBritishPostulate which they should]]), Hades would be be somewhere between LawfulNeutral and TrueNeutral. Anubis on the other hand was listed as LawfulNeutral. Hel, of course, gets the "evil" treatment (and one that affects her personality more, likely due to her being half rotting corpse), despite being by far the least antagonistic of Loki's children in the original myths. Ironically, ''Loki'' has a strange case of this: in the section on Norse deities, the book tells the DM that if the setting is before the slaying of Baldr, Loki, despite being ChaoticEvil, would not be actively evil.


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* Averted in ''TabletopGame/{{Pathfinder}}'' with the core deity, [[TrueNeutral Phar]][[DontFearTheReaper asma]]. She's pretty reasonable overall, gets along with nearly all the other gods, her church has a reputation for being good mediators and avoiding conflict, and even though she's TheGrimReaper, she has no problem with you being resurrected (it wasn't ''really'' your time yet). Just don't be undead. [[BerserkButton Ever]]. Deities of ''un''death, on the other hand, tend to play this straight, see [[TheUndead Urgathoa]]. Additionally, Zyphus, the Grim Harvestman, a lesser member of the Core Deities plays with it. He's the god of ''accidental'' death and tragedy (read: DroppedABridgeOnHim) and vehemently ''opposes'' the idea of a there being such a thing as an appropriate death. That being said, he's NeutralEvil, has been in a RageAgainstTheHeavens mode for as long as he's been a deity, and happily works with the ''[[MisanthropeSupreme Four]] [[OmnicidalManiac Horsemen]]''. The Tian Xia god, Yaezhing, is a zig-zagging case of this: he's the Tian-Shu deity of murder, death, and punishment which exceeds the crime; he is patron of ninja and assassins, and despite being LawfulEvil is more of the NobleDemon type (he's a PunchClockVillain and [[BadGuysDoTheDirtyWork enforcer of justice among the gods]]).
17th Nov '16 1:18:39 PM starofjusticev21
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* In the fic ''FanFic/ShowaAndVampire'' shortly before the series' cancellation one of the heroes is given the Hades gun from ''Manga/BlackCat''. He insists on giving it a new more positive-sounding name.
17th Nov '16 5:42:34 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''WEsternAnimation/RegularShow'' portrays Death himself as a BadAss biker who always goes by his word. However, he's a bit of a JerkAss and sometimes a cheater in sports (using his powers to try to win a Bowling Tournament despite the rules saying no powers). But he's also solidly a good guy, having came to the aid of the Park several times over and is rather amicable with Mordecai and Rigby, especially since they're the only babysitter's who've consistently been able to put his son, Thomas, to sleep at the end of Death's and his wife's dates. The only person he doesn't seem to like is Muscle Man.

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* ''WEsternAnimation/RegularShow'' ''WesternAnimation/RegularShow'' portrays Death himself as a BadAss biker BadassBiker who always goes by his word. However, he's a bit of a JerkAss and sometimes a cheater in sports (using his powers to try to win a Bowling Tournament despite the rules saying no powers). But he's also solidly a good guy, having came to the aid of the Park several times over and is rather amicable with Mordecai and Rigby, especially since they're the only babysitter's who've consistently been able to put his son, Thomas, to sleep at the end of Death's and his wife's dates. The only person he doesn't seem to like is Muscle Man.
2nd Nov '16 9:39:59 PM DustSnitch
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** The New Testament later conflated Ramiel with Hades as the follower of the Fourth Horseman of the Apocalypse(Thanatos/Death) which makes his and Death being thrown in the Lake of Fire as the last enemies elimnated fitting considering he's [[BiggerBad behind all rebellious Angels but Satan(if Satanail/Satanael is indeed the Serpent)]].

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** The New Testament later conflated Ramiel with Hades as the follower of the Fourth Horseman of the Apocalypse(Thanatos/Death) which makes his and Death being thrown in the Lake of Fire as the last enemies elimnated fitting considering he's [[BiggerBad [[GreaterScopeVillain behind all rebellious Angels but Satan(if Satanail/Satanael is indeed the Serpent)]].
24th Sep '16 4:41:09 AM Morgenthaler
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Many religions throughout history have produced deities who rule over and/or represent some aspect of death and are not portrayed as being malicious. They're not evil, they're just doing their job. Those dead souls won't collect themselves.

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Many religions throughout history have produced deities who rule over and/or represent some aspect of death ([[DestroyerDeity or destruction]]) and are not portrayed as being malicious. They're not evil, they're just doing their job. Those dead souls won't collect themselves.
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