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13th Nov '17 1:01:01 AM TSBasilisk
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* In ''Film/ChildsPlay'': [[BigBad Charles Lee Ray]] invokes the power of Damballa to transfer his soul into the Good Guy doll. A less knowledgeable movie watcher might assume Damballa is a [[GodOfEvil Dark God of Voodoo]] but Damballa is actually the [[TopGod Sky God]] of the Loa, Haitian Gods and the creator of life.

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* In ''Film/ChildsPlay'': [[BigBad Charles Lee Ray]] invokes the power of Damballa to transfer his soul into the Good Guy doll. A less knowledgeable movie watcher might assume Damballa is a [[GodOfEvil Dark God of Voodoo]] but Damballa is actually the [[TopGod Sky God]] of the Loa, Haitian Gods and the creator of life.life.
* ''Film/ThorRagnarok'': Hela, the Asgard Goddess of Death and Odin's first child, is the movie's villain. She was key in Asgard's rise to glory, leading a brutal conquest of the Nine Realms which vastly enriched their kingdom. When Odin decided to reform the kingdom as benevolent rulers, Hela refused and tried to seize the throne resulting in many Asgardian deaths. Once freed from her prison, she intends to claim the throne and return Asgard to its, in her opinion, true glory.
** Hela does have moments that soften the negative portrayal. She's genuinely shocked Odin erased her name from history and remorseful on seeing what has become of her favored mount, Fenris.
1st Nov '17 5:43:54 PM DocJamore
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Of course, that doesn't stop some modern writers from looking upon these otherwise benign beings and seeing nothing but an easy villain for their mythology based opus. After all, who cares about accuracy? ViewersAreMorons after all, and most people see death as something to loathe and fear anyway, so half the work is already done! And then there is the whole [[SatanicArchetype Satan analogue]]; cultural myopia leads some in Christian-dominated America to expect that Hades is just the Greek version of the devil, when actually he's more of a cross between Saint Peter and God. To be fair, making Hades a "Good Guy" god in the eyes of modern audiences would require you to whitewash some aspects of his character and background, especially concerning how Persephone becomes his bride...[[note]]Though even this isn't cut-and-dry. Some versions of the original myth have Persephone falling in love with Hades and voluntarily eating the pomegranate seeds so she could stay with him.[[/note]]

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Of course, that doesn't stop some modern writers from looking upon these otherwise benign beings and seeing nothing but an easy villain for their mythology based opus. After all, who cares about accuracy? ViewersAreMorons after all, and most people see death as something to loathe and fear anyway, so half the work is already done! And then there is the whole [[SatanicArchetype Satan analogue]]; cultural myopia leads some in Christian-dominated America to expect that Hades is just the Greek version of the devil, when actually he's more of a cross between Saint Peter and God. To be fair, making Hades a "Good Guy" god in the eyes of modern audiences would require you to whitewash some aspects of his character and background, especially concerning how Persephone becomes his bride...[[note]]Though even this isn't cut-and-dry. Some versions of the original myth have Persephone falling in love with Hades and voluntarily eating the pomegranate seeds so she could stay with him.[[/note]]
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* While Disney did go a bit over the top, [[TropeNamer Hades]] was ''not'' a favorite god of the Greeks, who didn't even like to say his name and would avert their eyes when sacrificing to him. He was said to "enrich himself with our sighs and our tears" by Sophocles. In Homer's ''[[Literature/TheIliad Iliad]]'', Agamemnon described him saying "Hades who is utterly unyielding--and hence he is, of all gods, the one most hateful to mankind." While he was not considered out-and-out evil, being a death god put the kibosh on him ever becoming ''that'' popular.

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* While Disney did go a bit over the top, [[TropeNamer Hades]] was ''not'' a favorite god of the Greeks, who didn't even like to say his name and would avert their eyes when sacrificing to him. He was said to "enrich himself with our sighs and our tears" by Sophocles. In Homer's ''[[Literature/TheIliad Iliad]]'', Agamemnon described him saying "Hades who is utterly unyielding--and hence he is, of all gods, the one most hateful to mankind." While he was not considered out-and-out evil, being a death god put the kibosh on him ever becoming ''that'' popular. To be fair, making Hades a "Good Guy" god in the eyes of modern audiences would require you to whitewash some aspects of his character and background, especially concerning how Persephone becomes his bride...[[note]]Though even this isn't cut-and-dry. Some versions of the original myth have Persephone falling in love with Hades and voluntarily eating the pomegranate seeds so she could stay with him.[[/note]]
28th Oct '17 4:56:06 PM JoeMerl
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* In the ComicBook/{{New 52}} ComicBook/WonderWoman series, Hades is presented as kind of a dick, but not outright evil because he doesn't seem to honestly understand how his actions affect others. It's suggested that no one can love him because he himself can't understand what love actually is. This may change after an encounter with Eros' guns (which serve the same purpose as his bow and arrows in the old days).
* ComicBook/{{New 52}} ComicBook/DoctorFate does a number on Anubis. Full on destroy the world goals, with the supposed aim of "restoring Maat."

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* ZigZagged in ''ComicBook/WonderWoman.'' "King Pluto" was a villain in his first (1946) story, using kidnapped women to decorate his castle in the Underworld. He was manipulated by [[OmnicidalManiac the Anti-Monitor]] during ''Comicbook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths,'' but later reneged on their alliance at his wife's request. PostCrisis generally stuck with the mythological portrayal of him as DarkIsNotEvil. (Like many gods, he also modernized, looking like a Victorian undertaker.)
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In the ComicBook/{{New 52}} ComicBook/WonderWoman series, Hades is presented as kind of a dick, but not outright evil because he doesn't seem to honestly understand how his actions affect others. It's suggested that no one can love him because he himself can't understand what love actually is. This may change after an encounter with Eros' guns (which serve the same purpose as his bow and arrows in the old days).
* ComicBook/{{New 52}} ComicBook/DoctorFate ''ComicBook/DoctorFate'' does a number on Anubis. Full on destroy the world goals, with the supposed aim of "restoring Maat."
28th Oct '17 4:38:53 PM JoeMerl
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* Disney's done this trope waaaaaay back in the past: the 1934 SillySymphony ''The Goddess of Spring'' is a retelling of the Persephone myth, and Hades looks like a proper Mephistophelean stage devil, with his realm basically being Hell, containing fire and imps. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuVRi9XzNpk You can watch it here for now.]]
** Though while Hades visually looks like a Christian demon, his behavior is arguably much less evil. After seeing that there's no way for him to make Persephone happy, he releases her on the condition that she spends half of each year with him.
* Subverted in the ''WesternAnimation/WonderWoman'' animated film. Hades looks like he's agreeing to free Ares so the restored god of war can kill, well, everyone, on Earth and provide Hades with their souls, but it turns out there's only one soul Hades is really interested in, revealed when his EvilPlan comes to fruition.
** His evilness is up for debate. Sure he was a bit of a dick but he did put one of the worst psychopaths ever on a permanent lockdown and well... [[AssholeVictim Ares and his son deserved it.]]
** Though he is a bit of a JerkAss all the same.
** Ares himself gets a case of this, just substitute "death" with "war". Back in ancient times, war was a necessity and was not really considered as "evil". Though accurate to the myths, as most Greeks (Spartans aside) had much nicer things to say about Hades than Ares, whom they considered at best ''terrifying''.



* Subverted in the ''WesternAnimation/WonderWoman'' animated film. Hades looks like he's agreeing to free Ares so the restored god of war can kill, well, everyone, on Earth and provide Hades with their souls, but it turns out there's only one soul Hades is really interested in, revealed when his EvilPlan comes to fruition.
** His evilness is up for debate. Sure he was a bit of a dick but he did put one of the worst psychopaths ever on a permanent lockdown and well... [[AssholeVictim Ares and his son deserved it.]]
** Though he is a bit of a JerkAss all the same.
** Ares himself gets a case of this, just substitute "death" with "war". Back in ancient times, war was a necessity and was not really considered as "evil". Though accurate to the myths, as most Greeks (Spartans aside) had much nicer things to say about Hades than Ares, whom they considered at best ''terrifying''.



* In the movie ''[[{{Disney/Hercules}} Hercules]]'', Hades was the BigBad, despite Hera being the one who tried to kill Hercules in the original myths. Unrelatedly, all of the characters except Hercules [[AncientGrome are referred to by their original Greek names]]... except "Bacchus" and "Cupid" if you count the Animated Series but that's neither here nor there.
** They made Hera into Hercules' mother, so she wouldn't have reason to persecute him as an illegitimate child. [[{{WesternAnimation/Futurama}} Which only raises more questions.]]
** That said, given all the [[GeniusBonus in-jokes for the myth buffs in the audience]], this most infamous example of this trope was a case of ArtisticLicense and semi-required {{Bowdlerization}} rather than ignorance. And hey - the film was still better than ''Disney/{{Pocahontas}}''.
* Disney's done this trope waaaaaay back in the past: the 1934 SillySymphony ''The Goddess of Spring'' is a retelling of the Persephone myth, and Hades looks like a proper Mephistophelean stage devil, with his realm basically being Hell, containing fire and imps. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuVRi9XzNpk You can watch it here for now.]]
** Though while Hades visually looks like a Christian demon, his behavior is arguably much less evil. After seeing that there's no way for him to make Persephone happy, he releases her on the condition that she spends half of each year with him.
* And continuing Disney uses of this trope, you have the granddaddy of them all: Chernobog from the "Night on Bald Mountain" segment of ''Disney/{{Fantasia}}''. Whatever he was in slavic myth, it certainly wasn't a nightmarish mountain-sized {{Satan}} {{expy}}.


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* {{Averted}} in ''WesternAnimation/{{Gargoyles}}''--while it's not particularly accurate to portray Anubis as TheGrimReaper (and also a member of TheFairFolk), he's an unabashedly TrueNeutral figure, neither sympathetic to [[AntiVillain the Emir]]'s loss nor malicious about it. [[spoiler:[[OhCrap Then his powers]] get stolen by [[PsychoForHire Jackal]]]]...
24th Oct '17 12:44:49 PM Sharysa
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* [[AvertedTrope Starkly averted]] in ''Literature/{{Moonflowers}}'' where Hades is one of the first deities to help out the Song family. He arrives because he's worried that Alima Song's grief for her presumed-dead parents has gone on for months without closure, then takes great offense when he finds out they AREN'T dead. He initially thinks that TheWildHunt is playing a sadistic "prank," and [[TheSacredDarkness nearly starts a speech about how they're fucking up "the natural order."]] When he finds out TheWildHunt wants to all-out murder the Song family on Halloween/Samhain in the [[HuntingTheMostDangerousGame Fairy Raid]] (because it turns out [[RequiredSecondaryPowers he dealt with the murder-victims of the LAST one]]), he and Persephone ''immediately'' help out the Songs as much as possible.



* [[AvertedTrope Starkly averted]] in ''Literature/{{Moonflowers}}'' where Hades is one of the first deities to help out the Song family. He comes along because he's worried that Alima Song's grief for her presumed-dead parents has gone on for months without closure, then takes great offense when he finds out they AREN'T dead. He initially thinks that TheWildHunt is fucking with them all as a sadistic "prank," and [[TheSacredDarkness nearly starts a speech about "the natural order."]] When he finds out TheWildHunt wants to all-out murder the Song family on Halloween/Samhain in the [[HuntingTheMostDangerousGame Fairy Raid]] (because [[RequiredSecondaryPowers he dealt with the murder-victims of the LAST Fairy Raid]]), he and Persephone ''immediately'' help out the Songs as much as possible.
7th Oct '17 8:17:07 AM Kuruni
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* [[Literature/TheDivineComedy "The Divine Comedy"]] uses Dis, a Roman name of Hades, as a name for Satan, and Lower Hell is referred to as the City of Dis, with Hell basically being the Classical Underworld (though the Elysian Fields section still exists as the First Circle, where the virtuous Pagans aren't punished). At the Fourth Circle of Hell, for Avarice, the God of Wealth Plutus appears, chanting out an apparent prayer to Satan. He may represent Pluto though. In the 1911 film he is referred to as Pluto and shown as a black devil with horns.
** King Minos the Judge of the Underworld is shown as Judge of the Damned, with a serpentine tail he wraps around himself.

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* [[Literature/TheDivineComedy "The Divine Comedy"]] ''Literature/TheDivineComedy'' uses Dis, a Roman name of Hades, as a name for Satan, and Lower Hell is referred to as the City of Dis, with Hell basically being the Classical Underworld (though the Elysian Fields section still exists as the First Circle, where the virtuous Pagans aren't punished). At the Fourth Circle of Hell, for Avarice, the God of Wealth Plutus appears, chanting out an apparent prayer to Satan. He may represent Pluto though. In the 1911 film he is referred to as Pluto and shown as a black devil with horns.
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horns. King Minos the Judge of the Underworld is shown as Judge of the Damned, with a serpentine tail he wraps around himself.



* ''Series/{{Rome}}'': An enraged Lucius Vorenus shouts, [[PunctuatedForEmphasis "I am a son of Hades!"]] The line works on modern audiences because it sounds like he's calling himself the son of Satan, ie a horrible, monstrous person. However, the line also works from a Roman perspective, since Hades/Pluto/Dis is a rather grim god, and screaming that you're his son would make you sound like a lunatic with a death wish.
** Though Pluto/Hades wasn't an evil deity per se, but invoking his name was an extreme taboo, only done when swearing an unbreakable oath. Vorenus declares himself utterly relentless and merciless, as well as desperate enough to call upon the Stygian deity.

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* ''Series/{{Rome}}'': An enraged Lucius Vorenus shouts, [[PunctuatedForEmphasis "I am a son of Hades!"]] The line works on modern audiences because it sounds like he's calling himself the son of Satan, ie a horrible, monstrous person. However, the line also works from a Roman perspective, since Hades/Pluto/Dis is a rather grim god, and screaming that you're his son would make you sound like a lunatic with a death wish.
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wish. Though Pluto/Hades wasn't an evil deity per se, but invoking his name was an extreme taboo, only done when swearing an unbreakable oath. Vorenus declares himself utterly relentless and merciless, as well as desperate enough to call upon the Stygian deity.



* ''VideoGame/ZeusMasterOfOlympus'': Subverted with Hades, who's one of the more useful gods, being present as lord of the Underworld and all the silver inside it. His temple creates veins of silver ore, he wanders around the city making tax collectors produce double (gives new meaning to the saying "Death and taxes", doesn't it?), praying to him gets you even more money, and his Hell Hound goes around eating troublemakers. Conversely, when pissed off he sends Cerberus at you or curses those same buildings, and worst of all, kills a large amount of walkers just by showing up.
** Thirteen Olympians (and Atlas) appear in the game, where they can be both helpful and inimical. Enemy gods are determined by the scenario, and can rampage through your city if you don't have a temple built in honor of a more powerful god to defeat him/her.

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* ''VideoGame/ZeusMasterOfOlympus'': Subverted with Hades, who's one of the more useful gods, being present as lord of the Underworld and all the silver inside it. His temple creates veins of silver ore, he wanders around the city making tax collectors produce double (gives new meaning to the saying "Death and taxes", doesn't it?), praying to him gets you even more money, and his Hell Hound goes around eating troublemakers. Conversely, when pissed off he sends Cerberus at you or curses those same buildings, and worst of all, kills a large amount of walkers just by showing up.
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up. Thirteen Olympians (and Atlas) appear in the game, where they can be both helpful and inimical. Enemy gods are determined by the scenario, and can rampage through your city if you don't have a temple built in honor of a more powerful god to defeat him/her.
7th Oct '17 8:10:59 AM Chabal2
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* ''VideoGame/ZeusMasterOfOlympus'': Subverted with Hades, who's one of the more useful gods, being present as lord of the Underworld and all the silver inside it. His temple creates veins of silver ore, he wanders around the city making tax collectors produce double (gives new meaning to the saying "Death and taxes", doesn't it?), praying to him gets you even more money, and his Hell Hound goes around eating troublemakers. Conversely, when pissed off he sends Cerberus at you or curses those same buildings, and worst of all, kills a large amount of walkers just by showing up.
** Thirteen Olympians (and Atlas) appear in the game, where they can be both helpful and inimical. Enemy gods are determined by the scenario, and can rampage through your city if you don't have a temple built in honor of a more powerful god to defeat him/her.
23rd Sep '17 8:56:26 AM nombretomado
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* The {{Atari}} game ''Riddle of the Sphinx'' featured Anubis as the main enemy. You know, Anubis, the kindly, jackal headed god of the newly dead who just wants to get you to the Land of the Dead safely. It's made even more glaring given the fact that Myth/EgyptianMythology already had a sort of Satan figure in Set, the fratricidal god of the Underworld.

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* The {{Atari}} Creator/{{Atari}} game ''Riddle of the Sphinx'' featured Anubis as the main enemy. You know, Anubis, the kindly, jackal headed god of the newly dead who just wants to get you to the Land of the Dead safely. It's made even more glaring given the fact that Myth/EgyptianMythology already had a sort of Satan figure in Set, the fratricidal god of the Underworld.
17th Sep '17 7:23:57 AM MrThorfan64
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* [[Literature/TheDivineComedy "The Divine Comedy"]] uses Dis, a Roman name of Hades, as a name for Satan, and Lower Hell is referred to as the City of Dis, with Hell basically being the Classical Underworld (though the Elysian Fields section still exists as the First Circle, where the virtuous Pagans aren't punished). At the Fourth Circle of Hell, for Avarice, the God of Wealth Plutus appears, chanting out an apparent prayer to Satan. He may represent Pluto though. In the 1911 film he is referred to as Pluto and shown as a classic Devil with wings and horns.

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* [[Literature/TheDivineComedy "The Divine Comedy"]] uses Dis, a Roman name of Hades, as a name for Satan, and Lower Hell is referred to as the City of Dis, with Hell basically being the Classical Underworld (though the Elysian Fields section still exists as the First Circle, where the virtuous Pagans aren't punished). At the Fourth Circle of Hell, for Avarice, the God of Wealth Plutus appears, chanting out an apparent prayer to Satan. He may represent Pluto though. In the 1911 film he is referred to as Pluto and shown as a classic Devil black devil with wings and horns.
17th Sep '17 7:10:20 AM MrThorfan64
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* Oddly enough averted in [[Literature/TheCanterburyTales "The Canterbury Tales"]], where Pluto and Persephone are portrayed as King and Queen of the Fairies, and Pluto restores a man's sight so they can see their wife having an affair. However there are hints he and Persephone's marriage is not entirely happy.
* [[Literature/TheDivineComedy "The Divine Comedy"]] uses Dis, a Roman name of Hades, as a name for Satan, and Lower Hell is referred to as the City of Dis, with Hell basically being the Classical Underworld (though the Elysian Fields section still exists as the First Circle, where the virtuous Pagans aren't punished). At the Fourth Circle of Hell, for Avarice, the God of Wealth Plutus appears, chanting out an apparent prayer to Satan. He may represent Pluto though. In the 1911 film he is referred to as Pluto and shown as a classic Devil with wings and horns.
** King Minos the Judge of the Underworld is shown as Judge of the Damned, with a serpentine tail he wraps around himself.
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